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Ubuntu Linux 5.10 Colony 1 Released 35

Posted by timothy from the whole-new-world-of-jargon dept.
linuxbeta writes "The first development release of Ubuntu Linux 5.10, code name "Breezy Badger", is now available for testing. Colony CD 1 is the first in a series of milestone CD images that will be released throughout the Breezy development cycle, as images that are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or installer bugs, while representing very current snapshots of Breezy. Screenshots are available. If you're interested in following changes as we further develop Breezy, have a look at the breezy-changes list. Bug reports should go here." (This comes in, of course, as I'm installing Hoary on my iBook.)
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  • While I usually use Free/NetBSD, I put Ubuntu on my laptop to compare it to Debian. I updated to the current Breezy Badger, and while some things, like GNOME, XFCE, and KDE are ahead of Debian, some others that I considered important were actually behind it, such as Firefox and Thunderbird. While I applaud Ubuntu for doing what Debian cannot with all of its platforms (which is excellent too; I really haven't much against Debian), I think that if Debian has Firefox 1.0.3, Ubuntu ought to as well. Still, I

    • Re:Ubuntu... (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      hoary hedgehog froze in april, security fixes from firefox 1.0.4 have been back ported to 1.0.2. (the only problem is that update.mozilla.org tell you that you need to upgrade, but with a poke in about:config you can fix that.)

      • Re:Ubuntu... (Score:2, Informative)

        by cr4p ( 883824 )
        security fixes from firefox 1.0.4 have been back ported to 1.0.2. (the only problem is that update.mozilla.org tell you that you need to upgrade, but with a poke in about:config you can fix that.

        For those wondering what setting to change for this, it is "general.useragent.vendorSub". Change its value from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4", after you download the firefox update for Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog).

    • Firefox 1.0.4 is available in backports. To get it add the following to your sources.list:
      deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp [ubuntuforums.org] hoary-backports main universe multive\ rse restricted
      deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp [ubuntuforums.org] hoary-extras main universe multiverse\ restricted

  • Current state of breezy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by snorklewacker ( 836663 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2005 @01:03PM (#12568095)
    As of this morning, breezy still appears to be totally broken for KDE users. Previously there were some problems with DBUS versions, which may still be in effect, but I haven't seen them crop up recently, because I'm struggling with a new problem: aptitude seems inclined to want to remove all of KDE because of a couple unmet dependencies. Namely some silly stuff, like depending on an exact version of Kate for example, with an upgrade to Kate causing the parent package to break and want to take KDE with it. One needs to pin packages, which then tends to have the opposite effect of locking down everything that depends on it. It's apt's special version of RPM hell. That's life on the edge, and it's easy to fall off and lose a lot of packages if you don't look closely at what you're doing.

    Given that I also want side-by-side 32 bit support on my amd64 distro, and that Ubuntu's 32-bit support amounts to running a chroot, I'm looking pretty hard at Fedora. I don't think Ubuntu's a bad distribution at all, in fact its amd64 support is first-rate, but I just don't care as much for the chroot solution. I still recommend Ubuntu for a desktop Linux; one should just be aware that Ubuntu's Unstable (currently breezy) is more like Debian's Experimental at start and only slowly converges to the relative stability of Sid, until release (currently hoary) at which time it becomes stable as Debian Stable. Stick to Hoary unless you like occasional mass-breakage.
    • umm. 32bit emulation should be done by the kernel and not by a chroot, compile yourself a kernel that supports 32bit emulation, the default kernel doesnt support it, yes it's annoying.
      • Running 32bit apps in a Debian (or Debian based, like Ubuntu) 64bit distro is a bit odd. The system installs the 64bit libraries, but not the 32bit. And because of the way it installs them, you can't install the 32bit as well. The "solution" is to have a 32bit chroot. I think this happens because the 64bit libs are in /lib, whereas every other 64bit distro uses /lib64 for 64bit, and /lib for 32bit.
      • The kernel already supports 32 bit binaries, and in fact supports it by default. Debian however is not designed to maintain installations of 32 bit binaries within the same tree as 64 bit binaries, at least not in terms of managing the entire system this way. This results in a "cleaner" system, but presents difficulties when one simply wants to cherry-pick a few binaries like firefox and ghc.

        Plainly you don't even run a 64 bit system, so what possessed you to lecture me about it?
      • umm. 32bit emulation should be done by the kernel and not by a chroot, compile yourself a kernel that supports 32bit emulation, the default kernel doesnt support it, yes it's annoying.

        Umm, 32 bit emulation is already done by the CPU. That's how most people use their Athlon 64's today. The linux kernel by default supports both 32 and 64 bit binaries, when compiled for amd64 architecture. That isn't the problem here.

        The problem is that you also need a 64-bit userspace. E.g. ld-linux.so and shared librari

    • There was a message posted to ubuntu-devel this week that users ought to hold off upgrading due to the transition to gcc-4.0. Once that is done (and it seems to have finished today, judging from the number of packages that have been processed) and the autobuilders catch up, it ought to be more regular.

  • Yay Breezy Badger... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Mad_Rain ( 674268 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2005 @01:21PM (#12568328) Journal
    Nice timing on this - Over the weekend, I changed my apt sources.list to breezy instead of hoary, did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and things ran relatively smoothly for me. (I had to re-install the nvidia drivers, but no big deal). The whole purpose of this upgrade was to get transcode working on an AMD64 machine, so I could push the processing power of this machine a little more. ;)

    My experience with Ubuntu on AMD64 has been excellent on the whole, but with a few caveats of what I wish I could do:

    First, when I "apt-get install" Apache2, PHP, and Mysql, and then check out PHP, it says that PHP wasn't compiled with the mysql module. (see the thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28241 [ubuntuforums.org]) Having to recompile that is a PITA.

    Second, another favorite tool of mine, FreeNX, is available for 32-bit versions of Ubuntu, but not 64-bit.

    But I guess the real killer of all the current 64-bit distrobutions right now is the multimedia support. Ubuntu is doing a lot of things right, and it was easy to install and start using, but it hasn't quite gotten all the way there for me (and probably many other users) yet.
  • Has anyone done apt-get upgrade from hoary to breezy without problems? killing 20 more seconds of my life....
  • does anyone know if there will be LiveCD versions of these pre-pre-releases?

    I'd love to poke around with breezy, but I don't want to break my setup.

    Thanks!

  • The worst part will be... (Score:3, Funny)

    by gardyloo ( 512791 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2005 @06:29PM (#12571689)
    ... that the "Badger, badger, badger" song is compiled into the kernel this time.

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