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World's Most Powerful Subwoofer 436

dponce80 writes "This $13,000 subwoofer, the TRW 17 from Eminent Technology is billed as the world's most powerful due to its ability to reproduce sounds with frequencies as low as 1Hz. Typical subwoofers bottom out at 20Hz, and while the human ear can barely hear below that point, it is still possible to feel the sound. This particular woofer does not have an enclosure, instead relying on a fan-like design, wafting a cone of modulated air into the room, and effectively turning it into a resonating box, in its entirety!"
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World's Most Powerful Subwoofer

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  • Deaf people? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jobber-d ( 225767 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:08AM (#13939234)
    I wonder if this will affect deaf people's ability to 'listen' to music at all. Having a wider range of frequencies should allow for more variations in vibrations, no?
  • Is this even legal? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GeorgeWright ( 612851 ) <gwright&kde,org> on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:08AM (#13939239) Homepage
    Note: I have not yet read the article because the server seems to be dead.

    Is this subwoofer even legal? International law bans transmitters which are capable of transmitting on the frequency of approx 6 or 7Hz because that's the resonant frequency of the human ribcage. Seems like this could be used as a pretty lethal weapon from the (short) description in the posting.
  • Re:$13,000 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hoka ( 880785 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:12AM (#13939253)
    Not without a real reason necessarily. I mean you may not be able to hear sub 20hz (most people can't hear below 30, especially as the age group gets older), but you can definitely feel it. The feeling of the lower frequencies can add a lot to the music, because it can add the real "boom" to certain things like cannon fire (used in on some classical concerts before you ask). Though I've never built a system sub 20hz (my current system peaks around 44hz and dips way down in the 30's) myself, I've heard a lower and they are really amazing. Just don't get going on kimber cables...
  • Military uses? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Zog The Undeniable ( 632031 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:12AM (#13939254)
    Sounds like the old arsequake [museumoftechno.org] concept has been resurrected. For those who can't be bothered to read the link, various armies have tried to find a bass frequency that, aimed at enemy soldiers, would cause them to involuntarily lose bowel control. Of course, as bass is omnidirectional, you need to make sure your own troops have earplugs or a full enema beforehand ;-)
  • by Kelson ( 129150 ) * on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:17AM (#13939271) Homepage Journal
    That way you will end up with a haunted computer room [physicsforums.com]!
  • Re:$13,000 (Score:1, Interesting)

    by PenGun ( 794213 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:22AM (#13939290) Homepage
    Audiophiles don't use gold. It's only 67% or so as conductive as silver at 100%. Generally rhodium is a pretty good connector and smears into a great connection. You can use silver but it oxidizes which is the reason gold is used on low end stuff.

          PenGun
        Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !
  • Resonance (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Crouty ( 912387 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:23AM (#13939298)
    Can anyone tell what volume of air would have 1:1 resonance at 1 Hz?
    I found some frequencies where my bathroom has resonance (propabaly 1:2 harmonics), but I am sure it is much to small to have resonance at frequencies below a few Hz.
  • Oh bull. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sakusha ( 441986 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:27AM (#13939311)
    I recently went to an art museum where there was a little piece of electronic equipment attached to a huge subwoofer that was moving at 1hz, slowing down to about .5hz, and back to 1hz again. If you put your hand up close to it, you could feel a slight breeze, but you couldn't hear a damn thing. It was created more for the visual effect of seeing the huge speaker cone moving in and out at a slow speed.

    So a subwoofer with a 1hz capability is nothing to get excited about, you could do that with a wide variety of subwoofers. And achieving such a low, inaudible frequency sure as hell doesn't make it the world's most powerful subwoofer.
  • by zuki ( 845560 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:33AM (#13939329) Journal
    Although there are several patents already held in the field of military and defense-related technologies for ultra-high intensity infrasonic weapons capable of destroying concrete structures from a distance (it's rumored to be able to do far uglier things to the human body), and this since the early 50's, there are some other considerations to keep in mind when attempting to use such a monster subwoofer at home or in a small enclosed space.

    Without taking the time to quote the exact sources, it is known (another urban legend?...) in the field of both professional studio and live sound that certain subsonic frequencies are likely to inflict severe punishment to the human body, from memory I seem to recall 3 Hz causing nausea, loss of equilibrium and balance, some other frequencies nearby incontinence or cardiac arrhythmia, and one in particular (??...) rumored to be fatal at certain elevated sound pressure levels. All of this between 1 Hz and 25 Hz. (someone please take the time to dig up the precise data and papers on this?...)

    Further, it should be understood that most audio mastering engineers will severely filter out any frequencies below 25 Hz as a matter of habit from the old mastering vinyl days, but also as those sounds do 'cloud up' the 'bottom end' audio in final mixes, and possibly because some of them are aware of the inherent risks posed by having those stray frequencies played at very loud volumes in enclosed areas.

    Although this piece of gear sounds like it could be terrific, it may also pose a very real threat to its users if operated improperly. So far, we're not even talking about the possibility of inflicted hearing damage from exposure.

    YMMV, as always, and most certainly in this case, batteries definitely not included.
  • by fmwap ( 686598 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:41AM (#13939358) Journal
    Interesting thought, I've felt the effects before but never done any research...

    According to this article [wired.com], lung collapse can be a effect of freqencies in this range, and that " The lungs may essentially start to vibrate in the same frequency as the bass, which could cause a lung to rupture."

    I vaguly remember hearing about experimentation into using this as a weapon (No, not the Brown note [wikipedia.org]), but more of a lung-collapsing, vomit inducing weapon.
  • Pimp my ride (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JohnGrahamCumming ( 684871 ) * <slashdot@jgc.oERDOSrg minus math_god> on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:43AM (#13939362) Homepage Journal
    As regular viewers of the excellent MTV educational show "Pimp My Ride" will already be informed Xzibit and colleagues recently installed a 12,000 Watt subwoofer in one of their patient's vehicules. The subwoofer itself is here: http://www.cardomain.com/sku/MTXT992244 [cardomain.com].

    Despite being a WASP I must add that the car post-transformation was "phat".

    John.
  • Re:Oh bull. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HD Webdev ( 247266 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:46AM (#13939370) Homepage Journal
    So a subwoofer with a 1hz capability is nothing to get excited about, you could do that with a wide variety of subwoofers. And achieving such a low, inaudible frequency sure as hell doesn't make it the world's most powerful subwoofer.

    Those low frequencies at a high enough power can effect things quite a bit.

    I remember years ago I was in a town where there were serious problems people were having with objects falling off of shelves and other similar places. (These objects would only last a few days in places that they had been in for years without problems)

    It turned out that it was a new local Wind Power Generator that was to blame. It's very low Hz wasn't audible in the slightest, but when it's wavelength matched up with {whatever} object, it caused quite a serious effect.
  • by NeedleSurfer ( 768029 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @04:54AM (#13939396)
    Not only you don't hear those frequency they actually feel like vibration, very low vibration, disturbing vibrations. Plus since EVERYTHING you happen to listen to has been recorded on gear thats doesn't reproduce frequencies below 20HZ, and even then, it's perfectly and uterly useless, for 13000$...

    I've worked in studios, I've been consultant for studios and even built some, many project and home studios and 3 commercial studios (no commercial studio is built alone so count me part of a team on those). No studio, none, is equiped to deal with such low frequency for obvious reasons, comfort and audibility being the 2 most obvious, so even if your subwoofer reproduces frquencies below 20hz you will never know it.
  • Re:Deaf people? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Vulturejoe ( 570401 ) <vulturejoeNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday November 03, 2005 @05:27AM (#13939505) Homepage
    Deaf people do listen to music. It's basically all bass, and you feel the vibrations. If you ever go to a Deaf convention, you'll probably be feeling this music throughout the convention hall.
  • by ChadN ( 21033 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @05:33AM (#13939524)
    This reminds of a time, years ago, when I went to a petting zoo in Reston, Virginia. They had a pair of Emu in a large paddock, and as I walked up to the fence (about 20 feet away from them), I felt something hit me in the chest. I stopped and looked around; I was alone. I took another step, somewhat hesitantly, and something hit me again.

    I was looking at the Emu, they were looking at me, and the second time it happened, I saw something moving on one bird's chest. So, I decided they must have some sort of air bladder which they could pulse, and warn me to keep away. Which I did. I'm convinced what I felt (assuming it wasn't all in my head) was a low frequency pulse the birds use "communicate", the effects of which I felt right in my chest cavity. I'd love to hear from anyone whose had a similar experience.
  • by Nybble's Byte ( 321886 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @05:51AM (#13939572) Journal
    the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest [audiofest.net] in Denver, which I attended. Bruce Thigpen, hardly a newcomer to high end audio and a bright designer, described the product and demonstrated it using a frequency generator. 10 Hz at 110 dB caused the mirror on the wall to move 1/2" back and forth, and at 5 Hz the door into the room had to be held shut by his associate. From that brief demo I could tell that listening to that kind of stuff long enough could make you sick to your stomach, not to mention possibly cause hearing damage. Yet everyone who heard it was amazed. Thigpen explained why his subwoofer is much more linear than other approaches. It isn't the world's most powerful subwoofer, but it may be the best. Expensive? You bet. Practical? Maybe not, but that never stopped an audiophile. It's this kind of craziness that inspires greatness, though. Gimme a matched pair when I hit the lotto. Bravo, Bruce!
  • Re:$13,000 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by odaen ( 766778 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @05:56AM (#13939588)
    No because gold wears easily and is only good for home use as constant plugging and unplugging isnt' needed.

    Silver on the other hand is best for studio use as it is much tougher and and tarnishes which isn't as much as a problem in the studio.
  • by ozmanjusri ( 601766 ) <aussie_bob@hotmail . c om> on Thursday November 03, 2005 @06:12AM (#13939634) Journal
    I'd love to hear from anyone whose had a similar experience.

    Female emus do that booming thing a lot - it's their way of communicating. They do have an air sac on the lower curve of their neck, but it's hard to spot if you don't know what you're looking for because their feathers hang down over that part of their necks.

    The noise they make is low and loud, and I'm not surprised you felt it. If you're out in the bush on a quiet night, you can hear them from kilometres away.
  • by _Shorty-dammit ( 555739 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @07:40AM (#13939845)
    backing off? I don't see anyone backing off, it's just getting worse and worse. Pretty much every popular music release I've seen in the last year or so has an absolutely insane amount of clipping on it. They've mashed it as hard as the limiter would let them, and then they simply turned the volume up a few more dB and let it clip like crazy. I run all my music through replaygain, and it's not uncommon to see values of -10, -11, and -12 on new CDs. That's crazy loud, always with crazy clipping. At least with rock music you can easily "fix" it with soundforge's/cooledit's clipping restoration tools, but with other types of music it doesn't seem to work too well. (Yes, I know this doesn't make it sound anything like the pre-clipped audio, but it most definitely sounds better without the clipping.) With rap and electronica this restoration process usually results in horrible clicking sounds on things like kick drums, similar to loud pops you'd hear on mangled records. But for whatever reason it works rather well with rock/metal music. I play music rather loud in my car, and I was burning out tweeters rather regularly for a while, I must have went through 4 or 5 pairs in the space of a year, year and a half. Then once I started doing this clipping restoration process on all my music, bingo, haven't blown a tweeter in about 2-2.5 years now. Obviously not everyone plays their music loud enough to have to worry about the heat limitations in their tweeters, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that's lost tweeters to the insane clipping out there. Although maybe not everyone might realize that it was because of the clipping in the source material that was causing it. You'd think there would be a class-action lawsuit in there somewhere ;)
  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @08:45AM (#13939989) Journal
    It might not blow her clothes off, but you'll probably be able to give her orgasms whenever you feel like

    Google search for 33Hz + orgasm [google.com]
    I put the link first so y'all don't try to call bullshit on me. I read it in an audio magazine (correction: wired magazine [wired.com])a while back. The writer went for a ride along with some bassists who drove around town pushing a button and juicing girls. The driver was saying that part of the reason girls give 'im dirty looks is because they can feel the bass pushing their button.

    As an aside, you may or may not know that serious car bass systems aren't set up to play music per se. They're setup to produce massive SPL, and because of that, they usually wire up a button (which they can press to unleash their thunder (and set off car alarms) while driving around town. For contests they use a remote control and replace windshields/windows/etc with inches of lexan which you can watch flex while the tones are being played.

    All that said, high SPL's in the lower frequencies can cause your lung to spontaneously collapse.

  • by Khyber ( 864651 ) <techkitsune@gmail.com> on Thursday November 03, 2005 @09:15AM (#13940098) Homepage Journal
    The study itself sounded pretty interesting though - they had various women sit on top of a subwoofer and played different frequencies while asking about their sexual response...

    Sounds like someone had way too much fun imitating Howard Stern with that study. I recall seeing him do that with some chick in his movie.
  • by Joao ( 155665 ) on Thursday November 03, 2005 @11:55AM (#13941296) Homepage

    > as low as 1Hz. Typical subwoofers bottom out at 20Hz, and while the
    > human ear can barely hear below that point

    Nobody can hear anything in frequencies that low. Even 20Hz is quite a stretch. A few people may be able to hear 20Hz, but those are very few. Its just like those tweeters you see advertized that can go as high as 50KHz, when only very few people, mainly very young girls, can hear as high as 20KHz.

    > This particular woofer does not have an enclosure, instead relying on
    > a fan-like design, wafting a cone of modulated air into the room, and
    > effectively turning it into a resonating box, in its entirety!

    Assuming the resonant frequency of the room is the same frequency of the sound being produced, that could work. But move to another room with a different resonant frequency, or try to produce other frequencies not in the room's resonant frequency range, and the sound quality deteriorates to crap.
  • Re:Pimp my ride (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 03, 2005 @12:56PM (#13941940)
    You are kind of right, when PMR first started they must have had a lower budget and I thought the same thing, but now I've seen em do engine swaps, brake work, electrical, shocks, exhaust etc...
    Personally I've always wondered what happens to the rides? Most of those people are from shitty towns. How many have been busted into and had the LCD's pulled?

    As for this sub, not worth it. And the article mentions paper cones. What good subs still use paper? Spinning parts on sound equipment, something tells me that baby will have to be fixed a bit. Like a frickin airplane with an hour meter on it.
  • by evdubs ( 708273 ) <evdubs@@@phreaker...net> on Thursday November 03, 2005 @05:50PM (#13945218)
    i believe the frequency you're thinking of is 33Hz, according to http://www.liquidinjuredhearing.com/index.php?page =about_interview [liquidinjuredhearing.com]

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