Interactive Campaigning ala Wiki 172
brettlg writes to tell us LinuxInsider is reporting that Utah Democratic hopeful, Peter Ashdown, is hoping to leverage his knowledge of the internet and small business resourcefulness to take down the incumbent Senator Orrin Hatch next year. From the article: "Peter Ashdown is the founder of Xmission, Utah's oldest Internet service provider (ISP). His Web site includes a blog and a monthly live chat session. But Ashdown's site takes public participation on his campaign Web site one step further -- opening his platform to all. The site is based on the "Wiki" open-source model made famous by Wikipedia."
Political Wisdom ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Well... (Score:3, Funny)
http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Main_P
And under the main article it clearly states:
"I AM PETER OF GAYTORIA HEAR MY ROAR"
So I think partisan politics is the least of his worries with an open wiki. Heck... Even encyclopediadramatica isn't an open wiki.
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I don't know, but the Green Party of Canada has teir entire party platform developed online via a wiki called the Living Platform [greenparty.ca]. Politics are a little less partisan in Canada, and given that it's the platform for an entire political party rather than one individual... Of course the party itself retains some control. Only registered Green Party members can edit locked pages, and the actual platform is established by registered party memebers voting on what policy from the Livng pltform should be promoted to official party policy - the fact remains that it provides an open forum for developing policy ideas (and includes, for instance, some extensive material on intellectual property policies) and engaging the public more widely in policy development. If you're in Canada than please stop by and get involved.
Jedidiah.
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Off-topic: Leverage. (Score:2, Insightful)
seriously, is it so hard to just 'leverage' the word 'use' instead. I run into leverage freakin' everywhere whenever something has to sound important.
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Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (Score:3, Funny)
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Likewise, here, the guy's knowledge of Wiki is being "leveraged".
Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (Score:1)
Article seems to be light on details. (Score:1)
Poor guy. (Score:3, Insightful)
Exposing himself to trouble (Score:5, Interesting)
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Great way to Hatch a campaign (Score:5, Insightful)
Good luck Pete, nobody in their right mind wants the incumbent Senator Orrin Hatch who once advocated putting malware on people's computers in order to stop them from downloading songs.
See: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/secur
Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (Score:1)
Or not.
nobody in their right mind? (Score:2)
Actually, the folks of Utah have the "rightest" (aka Reddest) minds in America. Their last Democratic Senator was Ted Moss, defeated by Orrin Hatch in 1976, and the only reason they have one Democrat (out of 3) in the House is that Rep. Matheson proudly proclaims he's "more independent than [his party] may like".
And party affiliation aside, ranking incumbents with important chairmanships do not lose reelection. Too much pork is at stake. Wiki is a cute gimmick to drum up some buzz, but in the end he'll go down in flames just like the famously Internet-based campaign of Howard Dean.Re:nobody in their right mind? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (Score:3, Funny)
I take it once he retires he'll be joining Sony?
Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (Score:3, Funny)
Aww, that's cute. aussie_a doesn't think he's already on their payroll.
Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Uphill battle (Score:2)
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That was the idea! Better the a shot of espresso in the morning? I figured that a backhanded partisan story should be exposed with a blatant, hyper-opposing response.
Re:Uphill battle (Score:2)
Yeah, and I work nights, you insensitive clod!
Re:Uphill battle (Score:5, Informative)
Utah is the reddest of red states. Pete Ashdown is facing an uphill battle selling his party's platform of secular socialism, white flag diplomacy, and state sponsored infanticide to the Mormons.
This was legitimately modded flamebait, but I think it's worth responding to as though it were serious, because I think Ashdown is handling this very real problem very well.
I live in Utah, and Utah *is* the reddest of red states. Republicans hold more than 75% of both legislative houses, and it has been higher. The Republican party owns this state. It's so bad that my father in law, who is about as conservative as they come, is an active member of the Democratic party because he believes that we have to restore some balance and foster some debate.
Ashdown is handicapped by his party affiliation, but I think he's taken a very clever approach to managing it. If you read through his issues statements, in pretty much every case where the Democratic party's official position would sink him in Utah, he falls back on a States' Rights argument (which is a very popular position in Utah).
For example, on Abortion, he basically says that abortion is a terrible thing (which almost no one will deny), that we should focus on programs of education and prevention to avoid the need for abortions (again, hard to deny from either side), that the federal government shouldn't make decisions for women (make the Dems happy), that Roe v Wade was wrong (make the Reps happy) and that the legality of abortion should be left up to the states.
That's clever, because if you leave abortion rights up to the Utah state legislatures, legal abortions will be hard to get in Utah (though I doubt Utah would actually outlaw abortion). Further, Utahns have never been very happy about federal government interference, and States' Rights is a popular notion here. Utah didn't join the union to become a state, Utah joined to stop being a territory -- states have greater self-determination.
So by taking this position, Ashdown can simultaneously say that he agrees with the Democratic position that abortion should be safe and legal, and also say, effectively, that Utahns should have the right to restrict it, plus he can also get another boost from the popularity of States' Rights.
That's a formula that can work with all sorts of issues that are relatively unpopular in Utah, without completely alienating the Democratic base (which is also quite a bit more conservative than in most places). To do it he has to come out strongly in favor of States' Rights, and that's not a Democratic party position, but neither is it something the Democrats openly argue against.
He still doesn't have a chance in hell of winning against a well-connected political powerhouse like the 30-year incumbent Orrin Hatch, but it's a good strategy.
FWIW, I'm pretty conservative, but I just sent some money, ordered some bumper stickers and I'll put up an Ashdown sign in my yard after the snow melts. He deserves support, even if he is going to lose.
Re:Uphill battle (Score:2)
I think you responded to the abortion question very well. The other two issues are more difficult to dodge. My posting was stated in vigorous terms because I object to the slashdot moderators tacit democrat party leanings. I would be more interested to read about the some Republican's lonely battle opposing Teddy kennedy. This story did not provoke any meaningful debate of the use of computing technology in political campaigning. It deserves a -2 Flamebait itself.
Hatch In Trouble Too (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, the end I speak of is obviously not going to vote for a democrat of any stripe -- these are the people who think Clinton was a communist and the entire aim of the democratic party is to abolish religion and property rights.
What *would* be ideal would be if Hatch faced a primary challenge -- and lost. Ashdown would probably still lose, but it'd be a more interesting fight. I think he ought to be quiet up until the Republican Primary is over, or appear weak in some way -- and then come out swinging.
Orrin Hatch (Score:5, Informative)
I hope he gets choped.
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Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:5, Insightful)
He gets my Vote... if I lived in Utah, also one of his previous jobs was a Computer Tech, which makes him over qualified for Politics... but oh well
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2, Funny)
I'd say that holding just about any job would make one overqualified to be a politician, including most forms of unskilled labor. Tells you how much I respect most politicians, hehe.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:1, Troll)
Those are only the issues they really care about. And let's be honest here, if Jesus ran as a democrat (or a demoncrat as they are called over there) and satan ran as a republican in Utah satan would win in a landslide. It's just in their makeup for utans to vote for a democrat no matter who is running. Hell they are gearing up to defeat hillary (or hitlery as they refer to her down there)
You think I am kidding but I am not. Visit Utah one day and you will see.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:1)
Hey WAIT a minute...Just because we're the only state who still overwhelmingly supports President Bush..
OK, darn. Well, at least I work at a newspaper that according to our readers is WAY too liberal (*read=moderate) and everyone in my particular department is atheist/agnostic. There's sanity at work, if not in the general populace.
As for the UN bit - a small town not 30 miles from where I live in UT seceded from the UN a year or two ago. No, really.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2)
The trouble is that I vote mainly for fiscally responsible candidates and in recent history democrats have managed the economy better then republicans. Take a look for yourself and you will see. Republicans tend to run up debt like it's going out of style, I don't run my house that way and I don't want my country run like that either. They also tend to grow the govt. Under democrats the size of the govt shrinks, under republicans it grows. Hard to believe but it's true. Look it up for yourself.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2)
Though I do have a hard time believing there was not one fiscally responsible Republican you had an opportunity to vote for the in the past 30 years.
Additionally, bearing in mind that most of our current spending can be accounted for in a foreign war, do not forget the amount of spending Democratic Presidents Kennedy and Johnson did on Vietnam. It far surpasses anything President Bush has done on Iraq.
Also, most economic indicators would also suggest we are doing better than we were at the end of Clinton's second term.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:4, Interesting)
For president, yes. Not one.
"Additionally, bearing in mind that most of our current spending can be accounted for in a foreign war,"
First of all that's bullshit. The war "only" costs 200 billion or so. Secondly the war itself was discretionary spending. There was no reason to invade iraq which was a secular socialist state which opposed religious fundamentalism.
"do not forget the amount of spending Democratic Presidents Kennedy and Johnson did on Vietnam."
Once again discretionary spending but in their case they kind of inherited the problem.
"Also, most economic indicators would also suggest we are doing better than we were at the end of Clinton's second term."
Yea right, and Iraq is going to join OPEC any day now. Thanks for the laugh though.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2)
What is bullshit? Our war-related expenditures account for a large amount of our current deficit. Iraq was not Socialist by a long shot. Although Hussein did belong to a party that called itself Socialist, social programs were virtually nonexistent in Iraq. I also have a hard time calling a government that persecutes members of certain religious sects secular. Then again, I have a hard time seeing Democrats as being more fiscally conservative than Republicans.
And, though the term is extraordinarily subjective in this context, isn't discretionary spending what would amount to fiscal overspending? How can you say JFK and LBJ kind of inherited Vietnam? They both escalated it into oblivion. In fact, it was Nixon (a Republican) who withdraw US troops.
Our GDP is increasing rapidly, the stock market has been doing quite well, and unemployment is very low. Aren't these normally signals our economy is diong well?
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2)
Yes, he not only ran up huge deficits but he also grew the size of the govt significantly. I believe in smaller government. Of course I didn't know what he was going to do before he was elected I didn't vote for him because he was such an obvious chauncy gardner idiot.
"What about municipal, county, and state elections? "
I have voted for republicans in some of those election but we are not talking about that.
"Our war-related expenditures account for a large amount of our current deficit."
go check the figures, the total cost of the war is only 200 billion or so.
"Iraq was not Socialist by a long shot."
Yes it was.
"I also have a hard time calling a government that persecutes members of certain religious sects secular. "
Saddam due to his hatred of religious fundamentalists kept the shia under check. The shia were/are being controlled/influenced by the fundamentalists govt in Iran. This is why saddam was such a valuable tool for us. He was so hated by the muslim fundamentalists that Osama routinely insulted him by calling him a "communist" which to a fundamentalist means atheist, socialist who believes in a secular govt.
"Then again, I have a hard time seeing Democrats as being more fiscally conservative than Republicans."
Just check the figures yourself. Under democratic white houses deficits have gone down, the dollar strenghtened, the govt shrank. Under republican white houses the opposite. You don't have to believe me, just check the numbers yourself.
"Our GDP is increasing rapidly, the stock market has been doing quite well, and unemployment is very low. Aren't these normally signals our economy is diong well?"
No they are not. You need to take a look at what the economy was doing under clinton in terms of GDP growth, employment, deficits, etc. Then you need to take the trends established by those years and project them into this administration as where the numbers would have been if everything was being handled the same way. Then you need to compare the expected numbers with what the actual numbers are.
You seem to be kind of a person who goes on "gut feelings" or "beliefs" as opposed to actually examining the numbers themselves. You say "stock market is doing quite well" without saying where the market is in comparison to clinton or where the market was predicted to be given the growth of the clinton years now. Same with "unemployment is very low". What does that mean? Is it lower then clinton years, is it better then what other countries are experiencing? is it better then the reign on other presidents? How about the dollar? How about the deficit? Don't those count? How about the trade imbalances? Health care coverages, life expentency, and all those other economic factors.
It really sounds like you need to read up a lot.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2)
Bingo! Yes I did indeed forget about abortion. Of course it goes without saying that a state full of religious fundamentalists would vote on abortion.
"Your second paragraph just makes you sound crazy and/or angry. I have never heard the term "demoncrat". I've also never heard of "hitlery"."
reall? I don't believe you. I don't believe that you actually live in Utah and have never heard anybody refer to hillary clinton as "hitlery" or democrats as "demoncrats"
"Where are you sending this commentary from? "
Montana, just down the road from you. We are right behind you in our reflexive hatred of democrats.
"As a side note, I think Jesus has the political clout to make it as an independant. "
Jesus would run as a democrat. The sermon on the mount is the most important socialist document in history. If jesus ran in Utah he would lose in a landslide.
"And finally, I would like to agree with you. Everyone should visit Utah and see for themselves. We could use the tourism money."
Yes, they would visit, see the kind of kooks that live there, and make sure they never attend or host a convention there. It's all good.
Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (Score:2)
If that was true then during the years of no taxation there would be no poor in America. Alas the churches were not doing enough and a govt socialism had to be put in place.
This line of bullshit is routinely spewed by people who want their taxes cut but there is no correlation between tax cuts and increased giving to the poor. Even in church dominated cultures like Utah there are homeless people and indigent. You would think that if everybody in Utah who called themselves a christian actually acted like a christian and gave 10% of their salary to the poor then poverty would not exist in Utah.
"yet he didn't force the young rich man to give all he had to the poor and come follow him. "
Err are we reading the same bible? Jesus said it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven then for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. Jesus will condemn the rich to burn in hell forever. He specifically and repeatedly said similar things.
That's the problem with politicians... (Score:1, Funny)
Credits? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Credits? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd have to respectfully disagree. Although c2.com existed prior to Wikipedia and is a great place for people to get started with wiki, I'd certainly say that Wikipedia made the technique famous - at least outside the geek community.
Re:Credits? (Score:3, Insightful)
Eivind.
Tin-foil hat? Hatch helping the scox scam? (Score:3, Interesting)
Frankly, when considering it's msft, I wonder if it's possible to be paranoid. Think of all the bizare and brazenly illegal activities that msft can been caught doing: fake grass campaigns - including letters from dead people, faked video evidence in DOJ trial, the entire ODF fiasco in MA. . .
That said, remember that Hatch's kid works for scox. Also remember that Hatch is on the judicial commitee, which means that Hatch has significant say-so over the careers of the federal judges in Utah.
Anybody familiar with the scox-scam knows that these judges have been insanely pro-scox from the start. The fact that obvious farce is still going strong after nearly three years speaks volumes. The trials don't even start for another 1.5 years.
Re:Tin-foil hat? Hatch helping the scox scam? (Score:2)
The fact that obvious farce is still going strong after nearly three years speaks volumes.
Yes, the farce is strong in that one... [slashdot.org]
Interesting idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Also - bandwagon, jumping on?
Darn (Score:1)
Leave it to a politician to ruin a good idea.
Green Party of Canada (Score:2)
Have a look at the Living Platform here [greenparty.ca].
From the website; The Living Platform is a collection of pages that grows and evolves through membership cooperative participation - another example of the Green Party's comitment to open deliberation and community driven politics.
wiki controls (Score:2, Informative)
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Why is it not a legitimate source, the probelm of errors is that people absolute authority from just one source. If the internet is not for transforming politics what use is it?
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Actually, public debate among technicans have worked way better in the c2.com wiki than in any public "message" I've seen. It's been a brilliant way to distill wisdom and avoid undue repetition.
Eivind.
CREEP (Score:2)
Ridiculous to think he'll win just because of tech (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyone who is getting bacon from Hatch would tend to not want the new guy, figuring that he'd be losing out.
The tech is a minor point -- the bacon hits people in the pocketbook.
"Bacon" here is political slang for "benefits that your politician brings to his community via the political process."
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Orrin Hatch's original campaign slogan (the one that got him elected) was "What do you call a senator who's been in office for over 18 years?
Ironic now that nobody in Utah remembers it (well, all of his opponents remember it...)
Orrin Hatch (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Orrin Hatch (Score:1)
I decided to read a little bit about the Induce Act so that I could enlighten others who didn't know what it is
Ok, so the Induce act basically says that creating software (and other "devices") that encourages people to break copyright laws is illegal. For example, the Grokster case. Rather than suing the people that actually downloaded the pirated music and videos, MGM decided to sue the creators of Grokster, the software that allowed people to pass around pirated music, etc.
This is, in a sense, an intelligent idea. It's smart to cut a problem off as close to the source as possible. However, the other side to this coin is that the people who created Grokster didn't actually do any of the pirating.
I equate this method with enablers--people who help their husband or wife get fat by always making sure an overabundance of junk food is around. Yeah, the enabler may have contributed, but it's still the enablee's decision to actually eat the food.
More unfortunately, the Induce Act covers a very broad area of law, which means that some tool's going to try to use it down the road in a way it was never intended.
Well, that's the extent of my research. Enjoy.
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Good example of "Open Politics" (Score:1, Interesting)
The open politics combines traditions of the free software and open content movements with postmoderism, and promotes a decision making method claimed to be a more open, less antagonistic, and more capable of determining what is in the public interest with respect to public policy issues.
Criteria
Underlying preferences
Implementation
These criteria are generally satisfied by a wiki or some other collaborative workspace in which multiple points of view are conveyed and reviewable in "living documents" that reflect, on an ongoing basis, what the community thinks.
History
Open Politics grew from earlier work in online deliberation and deliberative democracy, which in turn drew on research in issue-based argument and early hypertext and Computer Supported Cooperative Work research of the early 1980s.
The 2003-04 Deanspace project is widely considered to be the first serious attempt at Open Politics. It grew into Civicspace and was largely relying on blog and meetup technologies to build some support behind Democratic Party dark horse Howard Dean. It was largely an emergent, unplanned effort. In fact, meetup.com simply applied its ordinary stupid algorithm to a number of members who had listed "Howard Dean" (a mere text string to that algorithm) in their list of interests. It obediently buzz-clicked out a scheduled time for a live "meetup", and open politics history began, with no intelligence being directly involved at all (which some find ironic, and others, fitting).
The 2004-05 Green Party of Canada Living Platform was a much more planned and designed effort at Open Politics. As it prepared itself for an electoral breakthrough in the 2004 federal election, the Green Party of Canada began to compile citizen, member and expert opinions in preparation of its platform. During the election, it gathered input even from Internet trolls including supporters of other parties, with no major problems: anonymity was respected and comments remained intact if they were within the terms of use at all. Despite, or perhaps because of, its early success, it was derailed by the party's leader, when he discovered that it was a threat to his status as a party boss. The Living Platform split off as another service entirely out of GPC control and eventually evolved into openpolitics.ca [slashdot.org] and
Why choose a wiki..? (Score:1)
It's about reaching a conclusion among his voters, which is very important in developing both support and an idea of what the people want.
In this goal, he will be succesful.
Re:Why choose a wiki..? (Score:1)
This struck me as a good idea at first, then I went to his web page, and the first thing that leaped out at me was his graphic with the $20 bill and the words "what you can do right now"... I think he wants to run a Howard Dean-style campaign (grass-roots, internet "cash machine" generating tremendous revenue in $10 or $20 increments), and for novelty he wants to have a Wiki.
The Wiki will be the realization of that oft-quoted maxim: "Given an infinite number of monkeys with typewriters, and an infinite amout of time, they could recreate the entire works of William Shakespeare" - but instead of "the entire works of William Shakespeare" he will have a platform, and instead of "monkeys with typewriters" he will have "monkeys with internet connections".
How will he limit edits/updates to people inside his state? That barrier alone makes this a stunt more than a sincere effort, in my opinion.
Say what you like about Orrin Hatch, but he has some skin in the game - he has a vested interest in protecting his music http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-u
Interesting (Score:2)
I mean, the Wikipedia concept isn't even completely saturated among the geek community, much less the other 90% of the world (Grandma Cornfarmer, of Podunk Kansas comes to mind). That's like saying Fark/Slashdot/4Chan are "famous," even when they're all taking a slice from the same pie and have no measurable "more famousness" than each other.
This whole wikipedia craze in the geek news sites reminds me so much of the collective pants-wetting conventional media has over hurricaines lately. "This just in ladies and gentlemen, we hate to break into the report of an asteroid on a collision course with earth, but apparently the founder of Internet Site Wikipedia is personally asking visitors for funding! We go live now to this story."
Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (Score:2, Interesting)
That said, Pete Ashdown isn't the man to do it. See, I've met him on several occasions, and while he is a techie and may get those questions right, he is not a people person. At all. Much like Orrin, he himself is first on the priority list. XMission is a wonderful ISP, and far and away the best available in Utah (I wish someone as good as them existed in Upstate New York), and I thank Pete for that. Stick to tech.
Re:Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (Score:2)
Its a shame Mr Ashdown, although a techie-type, seemingly fits the same mold. I guess it has to do with the money & ambition that it takes to campaign at that level (even in Utah), and the (defective) driven personality types that such "jobs" attract. For the end-state of such ambitions, look no further than Robert Bryd and Trent Lott (or Ted Kennedy who has become a walking self-caricature).
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Its a shame Mr Ashdown, although a techie-type, seemingly fits the same mold.
What, specifically, makes you think that?
Re:Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (Score:2)
I served, and have many friends over there, and the Democratic party has frozen us out. Don't slam us on the awr - we are winning in spte of the best efforst of COngressman Murhta and others to keep us from doing so. Go to Baghdad, and get out in the countryside - you'll see the truth for yourself. So dont go along the "Bush is Evil" psychosis that seems to have gripped my old Democratic party, from Howard Dean (who is a raving loonie some days), all the way down to its Congressmen and Senators who seem willing to score political points on either side of the aisle on the lives of our troops and the safety of the nation. Recognize that the Republicans have done soem things right, as well as the widely enumerate things they have done wrong. The economy, for instnace, survived a war and a terrible blow at New Orleans and is humming along, thanks to the tax cuts.
Also, be honest and stand up to the media conglomerates who pose a far greater threat to our freedoms as the shackle us with restrictive laws on what can be donw with our most precious things: our labor and our ideas.
Fix the immigration mess. We must control entry to our borders as a matter of secruity. Build the fence and patrol it. But also leat anyone in that can show they are like my ancestors: willign to work and want to be Americans, even if theyare "guests" initially, including the peopel that are already here.
Dont denigrate people of faith. Disagreement is fine, especially on abortion, but to belittle people for their faith is what the Democratic party has come to stand for in the press. We dont want a Taliban here, but we don't want North Korea either. Some of the faith based people have a lot to offer if they are not threatened first. Bring the Democratic party back into being ht "Big Tent" party. Make room for Mormons and Catholics and other "Family values" types of religious voters. Right now, we feel pushed out by the party rhetoric.
Honest disagreement is a good place to start; dropping the stridency when you present facts make for a people person. Ask Al Gore, great ideas in many areas, terrible "holier/smarter than thou" presentation.
And promise that you will serve 2 terms, or at most 2 then a severe self-questioning about serving a 3rd and final term. That more than any other shows you are a citizen legislator, in that order.
Re:Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (Score:2)
Sounds like all politicians and a very large proportion of human beings to me.
How could Pete do any worse?? (Score:2)
There's no chance this can fail! (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, just like the open source movement has taken down Microsoft on the desktop.
In Hatch's defense (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In Hatch's defense (Score:2)
He is an eloquent, level-headed speaker. He is good at debate. He is a very smart man -- and all of those things make him very dangerous, because he's frequently on the wrong side of the debates -- typically as a champion.
If he runs his campaign like he runs his business (Score:2, Interesting)
I typically vote Republican and have voted for Hatch in the past but I feel that Pete's attention to his customers (through XMission) will translate to his constituents. I will definitely vote for him this fall.
Idiotic Issues (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's see: The iPod, the SonicCare toothbrush, the Tivo, the E-Z pass, and there are these little things called CPUs produced by Intel and AMD.
U.S. resident inventors received 85,238 out of 165,485 U.S. patents in fiscal year 2005, which isn't too bad for a country that has only 6% of global population.
He then goes on to add: "Meanwhile the international community is closing in on energy production through fusion, and guess where the first operating plant is being built -- not in the U.S.A." Despite the fact that the plant in question, ITER, is a multinational project with partial American funding and scientific support! Moreover, ITER is not going to be an "operating plant," it will be a "fusion experiment" and is in no way a real prototype of a fusion plant.
Furthermore, he states "The Chinese are gearing up to clean our clock economically with no oil dependence at all." Based on empirical evidence, Chinese economic growth is compatible with US economic growth. Moreover, while the Chinese are beginning to investigate nuclear fission, and they have plans to build huge numbers of coal-burning electic power plants, they have no plans to eradicate their oil usage.
Mr. Ashdown appears to be AN ECONOMIC IDIOT.
Where is that Wiki...
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:2)
Since you've got some sort of partisan chip on your shoulder, you wish to distort what this guy is saying and call him names. That's the problem with Wiki's for political purposes. You're going to spend more time policing the trolls like this Idiotarian and not much time actually getting your message out.
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:2)
Partisan chip? How so? Reading those quotes, it's apparent that he really is an economic idiot.
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:2)
I found no compelling argument offered by the poster to support that opinion. Rather the statements appeared to be somewhat open to interpretation.
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:2)
Duh! The blurb says he is a) a Democrat and b) trying to unseat Senator Hatch. The odds of a Democrat taking an OPEN senate seat in Utah is so poor as to be only useful for gaining experience in a statewide campaign or using the run as a pulpit to force an issue into the spotlight. Running against Hatch isn't even good for that since NOBODY is going to take the candidacy serious enough to even listen to the pitch.
The Republicans would have better odds taking down Kleagle^WSenator Byrd of West Virginia. And there are far better odds of monkeys suddenly flying out of my butt than for Byrd being voted out of office.
So drop the word economic and lets just say he an idiot. Besides which, any Democrat will sound like an idiot speaking of things economic because they can't actually speak their positions yet have to hint enough to get the base out.
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:2)
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:4, Informative)
The USPTO issues 53% of patents to Americans, 20% to japanese, and 17% to Europena.s
The European PTO issues 25% of patents to Americans, 19% to Japanese, and 53% to Europeans.
The Japanese PTO issues 5% of patents to Americans, 90% to Japanese, and 4% to Europeans.
So yeah, that's not much of an indicator.
Regarding patents granted per capita worldwide [mapsofworld.com], Japan and South Korea are way ahead, followed by the US, Sweden, Germany, and France.
Still, as you look at your screen, keep in mind that Ethernet was developed in the U.S., the commercial Internet as we know it was developed mainly in the US (with US routers from Cisco), and your CPU was developed (mainly) in the US. My OS was developed mainly in the US, but I'm sure many others have an OS developed by a guy who lived overseas, but for some crazy reason decided to move to the US...
What about decoding the human genome (mostly done in the US)? GPS (first done by US)? Space Shuttle (first done by US)?
I am trying hard to think of an interesting recent technology not mainly developed in the US...can you think of one? Perhaps animal cloning, but that has been rapidly commercialized in the US.
Re:Idiotic Issues (Score:2)
Because 20-50 years ago we invented a lot of worthwhile technologies, the US should now rest upon it's laurels and not worry about the future. This is your position?
And you are claiming people advocating we continue to advance are economic idiots?
Right.
Unfortuantely, the dude has no chance (Score:2)
However, as a biologist, I'd say that the worst legislation he has pushed, by *far*, was the legislation that exempted natural remedies from the effectiveness and SAFETY requirements applied to modern medicine. People DIED.
Unfortunately, his challenger hasn't a snowball's chance in hell. This is a Democrat, running in *Utah*. The beloved leader carried that state by something like 70-30.
So, the Democrats are perfectly happy to run some geeky little guy who'll embarass himself by letting people edit (deface) his campaign webpage.
All Very Fun... (Score:2, Insightful)
Wikidiot (Score:2)
Apparently, he already has gotten support of Boing Boing. Oh, and he supports the EFF. So line up Slashdotters...cuz he's got your pet issue covered.
Re:Maddox (Score:1)
He's running independently, right?
Re:I can ruin him in Two Words (Score:2, Funny)