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All Things iPhone 380

Posted by samzenpus
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With the iPhone release coming soon there is no shortage of stories being submitted. Here is an overview of all of its features and specifics on its technical workings. A list of applications is out and still growing. There are warnings however that some applications and peripherals won't be ready or compatible in time for the release. Finally with all the hype associated with the iPhone, we have a reminder of some previous Apple products that ended with a whimper instead of a roar.
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  • I'm buying.. Friday. (Score:5, Informative)

    by adam (1231) * on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:34PM (#19670337)
    It seems TFS has now been corrected from the mysterious future, but I took the time to compose my oh-so-informative post, so I'm going forward anyway, haha. Unless Samzenpus is in Australia (where it wouldn't be night right now), it's still the 27th, which is the night before the night before the iPhone is released. That extra "night before" missing from TFS might seem inconsequential, but remember kids-- if you're buying an iPhone, don't get off work early [thurs] TOMORROW night, get off work early on Friday June 29 [apple.com] to get in line [macnn.com] in time [macnn.com].

    I'm going to send one of our employees to get in line (for myself and three others) around noon, heh. Sure, I wish it had GPS and 3G, but since I'm coming from a BB8700, which doesn't have GPS (nor 3G), nor did my Treo before that, I'll live. And so far I'm encouraged by the reviews from Pogue and Mossberg (etc) discussed here [slashdot.org] yesterday. I've been closely watching engadget (etc), and believe the reviews to confirm that many of those sites (such as engadget) spreading negative rumors like "two thumb touchscreen typing was impossible to do, and our anonymous source gave up after a day or two" are really just sensational speculation for driving viewers to the site. It seems the screen takes some getting used to, but not nearly on the level that some "anonymous sources" have characterized. I'm also a bit disappointed in the family pricing.. it's not considerably cheaper for my own phone + my partner's on the same plan, versus individual plans. If they had made corporate/family pricing a little more attractive, I'd be inclined to buy some for our employees. The paltry 200 txt msgs standard to each plan is also annoying (so now I'll have to drop $10 or $20 per phone for extra). But even still, I'm firmly in the demographic that is willing to pay extra for the phone, the service, just for the UI (and non-crashyness) that Apple will bring to the table. This will hopefully have a very nice positive net effect-- I suspect most iPhone users will be very happy, and all other companies will now be pushed to improve their products or lose customers.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      "I'm going to send one of our employees to get in line (for myself and three others) around noon"

      There's a one-per-person limit for purchasing the iPhone on Friday. Unless you mean that you're going to show up later with three other people and cut in line, in which case can you video tape it so I can laugh at you getting punched in the face?
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Yeah, scary, a line full of Emo Retards.

        Punched? I don't think so. More like some slapping and maybe even some hair pulling...

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by shmlco (594907)
        Rumor also has it that they're going to pass out numbered armbands as the line builds. So the "friend" standing in line will only get one band, hence one number, hence cutting in won't be possible... nor, as you suggest, smart.
    • by Oscar_Wilde (170568) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:45PM (#19670449) Homepage
      Samzenpus is in Australia (where it wouldn't be night right now), it's still the 27th, which is the night before the night before the iPhone is released. That extra "night before" missing from TFS might seem inconsequential, but remember kids-- if you're buying an iPhone, don't get off work early [thurs] TOMORROW night, get off work early on Friday June 29 to get in line in time.
       
      ... I am in Australia. Hello from the future. Tomorrow is Friday but the iPhone wont be out until the end of next year in the land of the antipodeans.
       
      Erm, I think I'm supposed to put a "you insensitive clod" in there someplace...
    • by bjourne (1034822)
      In your post, you have only mentioned negatives about the iPhone; high cost, shitty price plan, no GPS, no 3G. The one positive thing you listed is the UI and "non-crashyness." How anyone could be sure that the iPhone doesn't crash as "often" as existing smart phones on the market is beyond me or how anyone except for the select few reviewers that have actually used an iPhone can know that the UI is better. And still, you're planning to buy the phone on launch day.

      How can you know that the iPhone is wort
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Doogie5526 (737968)
        While "brand names" are usually looked down upon for being overpriced, they're brands because they offer an expectation. With Apple the common expectation is better-than-average design and innovative user interfaces. This may change (such as Disney Animations brand got diluted with things like straight-to-video releases), but it's enough to sell units even before seeing and using them.
      • by adam (1231) * on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:45PM (#19670911)
        I mentioned the negatives because I figured the positive were obvious-- they're the details we've all known for a while, and the ones that get most exposure in the 34838483 stories on /. and elsewhere. The negatives you hear, well, on many sites like Engadget, these are often spurious, or at best they're speculations. The negatives I pointed out really do exist, but aren't the end of the world (for me), and I figured maybe other readers would want to hear my take. I don't consider the price a negative. I spent $500 on my blackberry, and around $700 on my Treo (back in the day), so Apple's price is right about what I'm willing to pay for a good smartphone.

        "except for the select few reviewers that have actually used an iPhone can know that the UI is better"

        Anyone who had watched the apple tour video [apple.com] can tell you the UI is lightyears ahead of Blackberry, Treo, etc. Even the commercials make this apparent. And as I said, I'm willing to put some faith in certain reviewers (Pogue, etc), and they have all said positive things about the majority of the phone's features.

        "How anyone could be sure that the iPhone doesn't crash as "often" as existing smart phones on the market is beyond me"

        My Treo would endure around 3-5 crashes PER DAY. My blackberry doesn't crash, but has gotten considerable slower over time, and freezes occasionally (and this always seems to be at the exact wrong moment). I am not someone who grants corporations a lot of faith, but Apple is one of the few who has earned my faith. They're products aren't know for being cheap, but their UI and industrial design are both industry leading, and stability is an important factor to them. This is evidenced in the lack of third party apps-- that's what causes many other phones crash 10 times a day (instead of the normal once or twice if you're only using the native apps). Apple has earned enough credit with me that I'm willing to stake $500 on their product being solid. Apple doesn't have the best reputation for 1st gen devices, but I've had no issues with my Macbook Pro, so I'm willing to take that "gamble" again.. some aren't. Incidentally, the only other company that I can think of that I've decided to buy a product without even seeing it in person, was my Lotus, and that was for the same reasons. And I was very happy I made the purchase.

        "How can you know that the iPhone is worth the money or even decent?"

        I can't "KNOW" anything about the iPhone, really. What I do "KNOW" is that apple has, in the past, built many products I am very happy with, and has earned a reputation for quality. So yes, it's a gamble, but I believe the odds are handicapped in my favor. Incidentally, if you're tempted to call me an Apple zealot.. I'm making this post from an Opteron box running XP64 Corp. I tend to believe in the right tool for the right job-- in this case, I don't feel like the blackberry is the right tool for me, and even if the iPhone isn't [exactly] either, it's as close as anything will be for a while.
        • by bjourne (1034822) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:56PM (#19671003) Homepage Journal
          Anyone who had watched the apple tour video can tell you the UI is lightyears ahead of Blackberry, Treo, etc. Even the commercials make this apparent. And as I said, I'm willing to put some faith in certain reviewers (Pogue, etc), and they have all said positive things about the majority of the phone's features.

          That is called "advertising." [wikipedia.org] Anyone who have watched the trailers for Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End can tell you that that is an awesome movie. Suckers queued in line for that product too.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Anyone who had watched the apple tour video can tell you the UI is lightyears ahead of Blackberry, Treo, etc. Even the commercials make this apparent.

          Oh, come on! Go back and read and re-read that sentence and ask yourself how ridiculous it sounds.

          These are the same commercials that show someone clicking a button, and getting directions to a seafood restaurant nearby. Except we know that the phone doesn't have GPS. How does it know this? Oh, yes, you need to show Google Maps where you are. That bit was c

        • by UttBuggly (871776)
          Amen and Hallelujah!

          In other words, you said very succinctly what I have been trying to express to my friends and family. For some people, this (the iPhone) is a fairly-to-very attractive gadget. We will get one the 29th or soon after.

          My situation is:

          Contract with AllTel expires in early July. The phone is a basic Motorola with a tiny screen.
          I have a 1GB iPod Shuffle, which has no screen, of course.
          I have an excellent, older 4MP Canon SureShot. Takes great photos, but is pretty big in comparison to an iPhon
    • by itwerx (165526) <itwerx@gmail.com> on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:46PM (#19670927) Homepage
      The paltry 200 txt msgs standard to each plan is also annoying (so now I'll have to drop $10 or $20 per phone for extra). But even still, I'm firmly in the demographic that is willing to pay extra for the phone, the service, just for the UI (and non-crashyness) that Apple will bring to the table.

      As something of an Apple fanboi myself, I'm actually going to wait awhile, maybe a really long while, for the simple reason that the data rate with EDGE absolutely sucks and Cingular's signal coverage is pitiful. I love the UI, I've been drooling over this thing since I first heard about it, but I'm not about to drop $500 on a phone I can't actually use productively in the real world. It's almost painful to watch this unfold; I so wish Apple had gone with Sprint or Verizon or almost anybody except Cingular (well, okay, T-Mobile would have been worse). And with a 5-year exclusivity no less!?! Egads, wtf is the Jobster smoking?
      • by Baricom (763970) on Thursday June 28, 2007 @03:24AM (#19672885)
        Some of the iPhone's features (such as visual voicemail) require fairly significant architectural changes at the carrier, so whatever carrier Apple went with would have some hefty demands to ensure the investment paid off. I'm sure the 5-year deal was one of AT&T's terms.

        Keep in mind that Apple did approach Verizon first; Verizon turned it down.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by walter_f (889353)
          Keep in mind that Apple did approach Verizon first; Verizon turned it down.

          I've seen a Verizon executive quoted saying that Apple wanted their share of the monthly revenues which Verizon denied.

          So one may speculate whether AT&T/Cingular have been more "co-operative" in their negotiations with Apple or not...

          Walter.
    • I'm going to send one of our employees to get in line (for myself and three others) around noon, heh.

      Good luck, "one per person".

      I'm also a bit disappointed in the family pricing.. it's not considerably cheaper for my own phone + my partner's on the same plan, versus individual plans.

      You're surprised? They're happy to jack you higher than normal plans for the privilege of getting it in the first place, why would they stop if you're already showing you'll happily take that?

      the service

      What service? Cingula

  • by Ub3rT3Rr0R1St (920830) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:37PM (#19670357)
    With the iPhone release coming soon there is no shortage of stories being submitted. No shortage?! That's a gross understatement. I think I have just been convinced by this latest iPhone plug that things are going overboard.

    We know the features, we know the controversy, we know EVERYTHING.

    Just let the damn thing come. This is more than gratuitous splurge on a product. It's downright unnecessary.
    I'm looking forward to this thing as much as the next guy, but come on, enough with the iPhone articles. It's getting redundant.
    • by Aminion (896851)
      Yeah, save some iPhone for the dupes! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE DUPES!!!

      Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    • That i would get through the day without seeing a story about the iPhone on slashdot. I hope god forgives me for my blasphemous thoughts.
    • by dotpavan (829804)
      iphone this, iphone that.. it is getting so loud that some passing ufo/alien would see the buzz and pay us a visit (I am bad at cartoons, so imagine earth and the word "iphone" in comic bubbles coming out of earth)


      then iphone's new tagline would be "we achieved what SETI@home couldnt"

    • Just let the damn thing come.

      Agreed. If I had thought of it, I would have made an anti-"29th" t-shirt. Something along the lines of "June 29th, I'll be living my life while you stand in line."

      I'll be interested in one- in about 6 months when I know what the teething issues are and version 1.1 is quietly slipped into production.

  • by Lumpy (12016) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:40PM (#19670391) Homepage
    Will it blend?

    let's find out here [willitblend.com]

    I cant WAIT for them to destroy an iPhone.
  • Enough is Enough (Score:4, Insightful)

    by kaos07 (1113443) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:40PM (#19670403)
    I think I speak for a lot of people of when I say that we're sick of hearing about the bloody iPhone. Who cares if it's super-dooper good, it's just another phone.
  • by cuby (832037)
    I'm starting to be a little tired of so many articles (free pub) about the iPhone... It seems it's going cure even global warming!
    Someone remembering all the pre-noise about PS3 and the reality after Nintendo kicked it's ass?
  • by nuckin futs (574289) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:50PM (#19670513)
    The itunes phone was not their work. It was motorola's. You could tell because Steve Jobs spent 2 seconds introducing it, and that's it. he didn't sell it like all the other Apple products he introduces.
    The Newton is still being used by some, and is more powerful than some PDAs on the market right now.
    The original iMac...they sold millions of units and brought Apple back from the dead.
    The cube was just overpriced, but it was well designed, and it's a collector's item now.
    • by porcupine8 (816071) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @10:36PM (#19671291) Journal
      I remember when the ROKR came out, everyone was saying immediately that not only would it be a flop, but that Apple had put little effort into it because they wanted it to be a flop. Because then, they would be justified when they say "See? The cel phone guys can't do this right, we obviously have to make one ourselves."

      And now it seems they were possibly right... So even if it was a flop, it's not clear that that wasn't exactly what Apple wanted.

    • The Newton is still being used by some, and is more powerful than some PDAs on the market right now.

      While the above statement is true, it in no way invalidates the fact that the newton was a flop.
    • The Newton is still being used by some, and is more powerful than some PDAs on the market right now.

      It's what? More powerful? The thing came out with a 20MHz ARM processor. My four year old PDA has a 200+MHz ARM processor. It came with a 4MB ROM, same PDA I have came with 64MB ROM. It came with 640KB RAM, this one came with 64MB RAM.

      Remind me again, "more powerful"?

      • by dfghjk (711126)
        Don't forget the monochrome screen and only RS-232 for communications.

        Apple people will say anything rather than admit that Apple fucks up on occasion.
      • by NMerriam (15122)

        It's what? More powerful? The thing came out with a 20MHz ARM processor. My four year old PDA has a 200+MHz ARM processor. It came with a 4MB ROM, same PDA I have came with 64MB ROM. It came with 640KB RAM, this one came with 64MB RAM.

        Remind me again, "more powerful"?

        There is a big difference between tech specs and actual power/utility. Sure, it's low-end hardware, but that low-end hardware does handwriting recognition and some natural language parsing -- software features that no PDA since has done anywh

        • but that low-end hardware does handwriting recognition and some natural language parsing -- software features that no PDA since has done anywhere near as well

          You've not seen Windows Mobile 6, then. That thing seems to handle around 95%+ of my handwriting with ease, almost as much as the handwriting recognition in XP Tablet. (But I've gotta be crazy to say something like that in a story that already has Apple fanboys practically orgasmic.)

    • by dfghjk (711126)
      Always an excuse, eh? How do you know the itunes phone wasn't Apple's work? Because other fanboys say so?

      If my company produced an obvious failure and I was obligated to ship it anyway, I'd probably avoid spending time on it as well. That means nothing.

      The Newton was a laughingstock even as it was still being sold.

      The Cube had cosmetic issues regarding crazing of it's clear plastic housing. While it's generally excepted that Apple gets a pass for such quality problems, that's certainly evidence that it
  • by davmoo (63521)
    with all the hype associated with the iPhone

    The more hype I see and hear about the iPhone, the more it reminds me of the hype surrounding the Segway.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:56PM (#19670563)
      The more hype I see and hear about the iPhone, the more it reminds me of the hype surrounding the Segway
       
      Except, you know, people actually want the iPhone and cell phones are useful. Who actually wanted a Segway and thought it would be good for more than looking like a sidewalk surfing idiot.
  • Too bad (Score:5, Funny)

    by nytes (231372) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @08:54PM (#19670545) Homepage
    I'll be too busy playing with my new copy of the GPL v3 to bother with the iPhone.

    This was pretty poor timing by Apple.
    • I just wanted to say thank you for not posting metadiscussion about the post, how much you hate the iPhone itself, or running off at the mouth with missinformation. Seriously.
  • That's the countdown until we see a slew of applications for Windows Mobile smartphones and Pocket PCs containing the exact same feature set and interface as the iPhone's software. The multi-touch screen is really the only major hardware component the iPhone has over existing devices, so its primarily a matter of software, which we'll see shortly.

    Dan East
    • The multi-touch screen is really the only major hardware component the iPhone has over existing devices, so its primarily a matter of software, which we'll see shortly.
      Except maybe for iTunes...
  • Redundancy? (Score:4, Funny)

    by DefenderThree (920248) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:00PM (#19670603)

    All Things iPhone
    You mean Slashdot?
  • by Jay Maynard (54798) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:08PM (#19670671) Homepage
    There are two deal-breakers for me with the iPhone: It has to sync with Exchange directly (no, not just IMAP, but calendaring as well), and it must work with my car's Bluetooth module. The former is because that's the only way I'll get my boss to let me get one instead of a Blackberry; the latter is because no $600 phone, no matter how insanely great, will get me to get rid of a $45K car.
    • by Volanin (935080) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:34PM (#19670839)
      Also important to mention are the things the iPhone DOESN'T do.
      (Not bashing the product, I really have high hopes for it.)

      What the iPhone Doesn't Have:

      - Songs as Ringtones
      - Games
      - Any flash support
      - Instant Messaging
      - Picture messages (MMS)
      - Video recording
      - Voice recognition or voice dialing
      - Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP)
      - One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)

      Stuff we already knew it didn't have:

      - 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
      - GPS
      - A real keyboard
      - Removable battery
      - Expandable Storage
      - Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)

      Source:
      http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/what-the-iphone-d oesnt-have-272571.php [gizmodo.com]
      • by mr_matticus (928346) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:59PM (#19671019)

        One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
        Versus the 2.5mm stupid-ass jack on Windows Mobile devices? I'll take my chances with the fully standard minijack.

        Songs as Ringtones - Games
        We don't know that. In the introductory videos, there was a ringtones tab in iTunes. The iTunes store for the iPhone hasn't been launched yet, so who knows what sorts of games and additional apps will become available.

        - Instant Messaging - Picture messages (MMS)
        Why would you need either of those with an internet connection? Why pay 25 cents for a stupid MMS message when you can just send a friggin email?

        - A real keyboard
        So? Notebooks don't have real mice. People get over it--all the reviewers have.

        I'm sure the battery will be replaceable for anyone with five minutes, just like the iPod is now. It would be strange to expect any differently of a small Apple device. 3G isn't a practical expectation or a useful feature given that this is a GSM device. If you want a 3G phone, wait for a later version, to be launched around the time AT&T has a useful 3G network to take advantage of it.

        It is not Jesus. It is not sex. It's just a handheld electronic device. But damn, if people don't try to find any little thing to put on a 'con' list. Some of this stuff just doesn't make sense--what is their reasonable base of comparison? Why not add "it doesn't run Windows" to the list? It's like someone put this whole thing together without even stopping to consider that there might be alternatives to some of these "essential" features.
        • by frdmfghtr (603968) on Thursday June 28, 2007 @12:01AM (#19671789)

          - Instant Messaging - Picture messages (MMS)
          Why would you need either of those with an internet connection? Why pay 25 cents for a stupid MMS message when you can just send a friggin email?
          Because the recipient is receiving the MMS on a cellphone.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by dunkelfalke (91624)

          Versus the 2.5mm stupid-ass jack on Windows Mobile devices? I'll take my chances with the fully standard minijack.

          sorry? my windows mobile phone has got a standard 3.5mm jack and i use my sennheiser headphones with it.

          Why would you need either of those with an internet connection? Why pay 25 cents for a stupid MMS message when you can just send a friggin email?

          because it is a "friggin" phone and it should be able to communicate with other phones, not only with computers. gsm phones can do messaging for lot

      • by fredmosby (545378) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @10:39PM (#19671303)
        A real keyboard

        None of the other phones come with a real keyboard either.
    • The calendar syncs with Exchange indirectly through Entourage or Outlook. [engadget.com] Also it syncs with Address Book, which syncs with AD for contacts. Kinda hokey, but I guess it'll work. Beats me about the car.
      • I'm using sync through Entourage now with my Treo 680, and it sucks. The Exchange 2003 SP1 update broke Entourage syncing; now I get hundreds of errors every time I start it up about not being able to sync back with the Exchange server. I have been totally unable to get any help with it at all, on the web or elsewhere - and support from Microsoft? Hahahaha! That also doesn't provide syncing while I'm away from my computer, or push email (I've got Chatter Email on the Treo for that, but there's no similar pr
    • by olddotter (638430)
      Well I know two people for whom iPod compatibility was the driving force behind they selection of potential cars. One bought a Scion, the other a BMW.

      So it might not make you get ride of your car, but it might make someone else.

      Anyway, it is supposed to support bluetooth headsets, or so I heard.

      • Supporting BT headsets isn't enough...apparently, there are several different versions of the BT spec, with attendant incompatibilities. I had to replace my Treo 650 with the 680 when I got this car for that reason.
  • by Tibor the Hun (143056) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:21PM (#19670777)
    I know I may be late to the party here with 44 coments already posted, but for all you naysayers, here is why we are excited about the iPhone:

    The bar is being raised right now for the cellphone industry, and being raised well.
    This is the industry that has bent us over for so long, with unusable features, overpriced gadgets that don't deliver on what they promised, and ease of use of a manual lawn-mower.

    No, iPhone is not the cure for cancer, but it is making the cell manufacturers and networks change the way they do their business.
    After months of being out on the market, the "Chocolate" cellphone will get capability to have songs transfered from the computer. This is not a win for Apple, but a win for the consumer, who without Apple was at the mercy of PHBs and middle management making decisions about how their cellphones should work.

    This happened at least one time before... Remember what happened to Exploder once FireFox came out? Oh, well crap, yeah, here's your IE 7 all of a sudden, sorry you had to endure 7 years of exploder 6, no tabs, millions of infections and popups, but we really thought that's what the consumers wanted.

    Like I said, the bar is being raised, and it's good to see Nokia, Motorolla and especially the carriers bend over and take it where the sun don't shine from Apple.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Fred Ferrigno (122319)

      This is the industry that has bent us over for so long, with unusable features, overpriced gadgets that don't deliver on what they promised, and ease of use of a manual lawn-mower.
      This is just hilarious. You can't judge if a product delivers on its promises before it's been delivered. And apparently, the solution to expensive gadgets an even more expensive gadget!
      • You can't judge if a product delivers on its promises before it's been delivered.

        You're right, but you know what, David Pogue, and Walt Mossberg did, and they say it does live up to the hype. And since I very much agree with their assesments in general, I'll believe them on this one as well.

        The price is not the problem. I'd rather spend 500 bucks and get a phone that's worth 500 bucks, than spend 250 bucks on a phone that drives me nuts with its user interface.
        Everything has its price. The polished turds th
    • by gatzke (2977)

      I don't understand the iphone hype, other than the pretty screen and possibly sexy interface.

      I have had my treo 650P for a while, and it does what I need. Phone, PDA, MP3, Internet, Word, Excel, PDF, Camera. And I just found a program that allows for stereo bluetooth. The rocker works for navigation and I can thumb type pretty darn well.

      You are excited that phones can sync music? Dump MP3s on a SD card and you are ready to go on a Treo. No DRMd itunes requred, and you can pack a few different SD cards
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by admactanium (670209)

        I don't understand the iphone hype, other than the pretty screen and possibly sexy interface. I have had my treo 650P for a while, and it does what I need. Phone, PDA, MP3, Internet, Word, Excel, PDF, Camera. And I just found a program that allows for stereo bluetooth. The rocker works for navigation and I can thumb type pretty darn well.

        and you get the added benefit of being able to take off the battery cover and stick the stylus in the reset slot in the dark by memory because you've become so familiar w

      • Well, you're obviously a clever guy so you don't have a problem ripping DVDs (and watching them in crappy resolution) dumping MP3s on SD cards and worrying about antennas.

        But you've got to realize that some of us are fucking tired about thinking about SD cards, busses, interconnects, formats, ratios and standards.
        I've got a wife and 2 young kids, I don't wanna be dumping MP3s on SD cards. Or heaven forbid try to tell them how to do it. I just want to plug it in and synch it.
        Sometimes it's just nice to touch
    • by olddotter (638430) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @10:51PM (#19671381) Homepage
      Yes. I'm not going to go out an buy one day one, but for YEARS I have wanted Apple to get into the cell phone market. The reason is simple, each generation of new cell phones just prove that user interfaces can get worse .

        Every new phone I have gotten has been harder and harder to use. Apple knows how to make a simple user interface. I want that in a phone. And even if I never buy and Apple, because they are in the market others will be forced to think about the user interface. That is a huge win for me.

  • iPerbole: (Score:3, Interesting)

    by damian cosmas (853143) on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:40PM (#19670863)
  • by Roblimo (357) Works for SourceForge on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:43PM (#19670887) Homepage Journal
    iPhone? Who cares about the iPhone, already? I want a jPhone [aish.com], if only for the Schnapps!
  • SSH (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SCHecklerX (229973) <thecaptain@captaincodo.net> on Wednesday June 27, 2007 @09:46PM (#19670923) Homepage
    putty is available on symbian. Will the iphone have anything as useful?
  • Notice there is exactly one audio application listed, youtube. Go to that site and notice it doesn't work on the desktop. I'm not sure this can be considered the 'real' web they advertise since it uses rtsp instead of http/ajax.

    And my question is, does the iPhone support any audio standards in its browser? Will anybody but youtube be able to make audio applications? It looks suspiciously like the answer may be 'no'
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by appleprophet (233330)
      It has been confirmed that the iPhone can stream audio and video using the H.264 codec through Safari.
  • by Doc Ruby (173196)
    If I have my own software that implements a better onscreen keyboard than the default iPhone one, like my version of T9, how would I code it and deliver it to iPhones so it overrides the builtin one (at the user's option, of course)?
  • All the reviews were done to people who are known to be pro-Apple, which isn't surprising, because why would Apple send a product to be reviewed by someone who will trash it. Strangely (or not really, actually) the iPhone has become rather polarized. It certainly won't fit everyone's need or style. Just like some people prefer Windows or Linux to OS X.

    The new interface (multi-touch) intrigues me. Maybe it works well, maybe it completely sucks. Maybe they just need a bigger screen to make it really work well
  • My understanding is that the various service plans include a ceiling on text messaging, but "unlimited" internet usage. Given that an SMS message takes a mere handful of bytes, where is the logic in this? What will prevent people from using a web- (or applet-) based alternative for communicating text in a less-restricted and more-versatile manner?

    I have been wondering this since the pricing announcement, but I haven't seen it addressed anywhere.

    -b
    • Ironically, AT&Ts execs with their complete lack of understanding of the intertubes had not realized that the iPhone would go to the particualr tube that lets it do that, and therefore have completely skipped over the issue.
  • by mattgreen (701203) on Thursday June 28, 2007 @12:16AM (#19671931)
    1. Camp out for iPhone in an area with a LOT of people waiting. Must be first in line.
    2. Buy iPhone at 6PM.
    3. Smash it on the pavement in front of everyone.
    4. Post video on website and make a bazillion dollars.
  • by Mia'cova (691309) on Thursday June 28, 2007 @12:23AM (#19671975)
    From AT&T's description of their $20/month 'unlimited' (excludes international/roaming) SMS texting plan:

    Messaging Unlimited
    You have the freedom to message any way to any one - text, picture, video and IM - without worrying what each message costs. That means every message counts the same. You can send and receive ANY combination of messages. Want to send all picture messages? No problem. All IMs? Go ahead and chat away - send and receive messages for less than pennies per day!
    What does "less than pennies per day" mean? What does that even mean?!! Okay, when I think "pennies," I don't think 66 of them. At that point, I think we're talking "quarters per day" not "less than pennies per day." Is $0.99/min roaming "pennies per minute?"

    Added to the fact that the links throughout their rates site keep casually dumping you back to voice-plan information as you navigate between sections and such, they're really pissing me off by making information as hard as possible to find AND read. Anything that doesn't read like it came from a lawyer may as well be an outright lie it's so misleading.

    I can't wait to get charged for incoming messages every weekend while roaming in Canada.. at least with WiFi I can finally dodge data-rate raping (otherwise 50kb/$1, perhaps $1-2 per page view these days! YouTube? I'm scared it'll unlock and I'll bump the icon in my pocket..)

    When AT&T coughs up their next north america plan, I damned well better be able to switch to it. If I can't, that'd be a deal-breaker.

    And yes, I use all the skype like tricks whenever possible... too bad I can't do wifi+skype on the iphone. But it's their misleading advertising I want to bring up rather than starting a skype/whatever thread.

    Oh well, hopefully only another few years of this bullshit until we're able to get all this for free wherever an internet connection is available. I suppose we've all been thinking that for a while..

    Oh well. I'll give it a shot on friday and if the new shinyness isn't truly worth the massive massive additional cost, I will be returning this phone.
  • the iMac craze (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fishboy (81833) <pieter@bTIGERlokker.ca minus cat> on Thursday June 28, 2007 @02:27AM (#19672603) Homepage
    Good lord, the article about Apple flops mentions the iMac as a failure, even though the original series was the best-selling desktop computer of all time and basically heralded an age of all-in-one computers. He even states "iMac, great computer, but when was the last time you saw one? That craze died pretty fast" For chrissakes they still make the bloody things. Yeah, yeah, he was talking about the original ones, but for crying out loud, that was more than five years ago. The craze died out because they discontinued that model. Idiot.
    • Re:the iMac craze (Score:5, Insightful)

      by stewbacca (1033764) on Thursday June 28, 2007 @02:50AM (#19672703)
      Yeah, a memento mori is probably the worst article I've read in awhile. Talk about living in an alternate universe (and getting paid to write about what you don't know!). Although the first mighty mouse has only been released lately, I've been using 2,4,8 whatever-button mouses on Macs since, what, OS 7.6, circa 1995? Hell it might have been even earlier than that. I don't buy Macs for the bundled mouse. Nor do I buy PCs for the mouse that they come with. Logitech makes some pretty nice input devices for around $50 that work with Macs (on a couple of times even better on my Mac, as my PC had problems identifying the USB port back in the early days of PC and USB).

      The ROKR? That's all you got? Come on, any moron can see that that is a Motorola phone with a weak attempt to paint an Apple logo on the side. It probably had more to do with the Apple/Motorola fall out and tying up any loose business ends before they cut ties with each other.

      When is the last time you've seen an iMac? That question alone should get the author fired. Well, I'm typing on a 20" Intel iMac as we speak. It is my first iMac, because I never saw the allure of a transparent bowling ball on my desktop, nor a white platic lamp. Also, it is only as of recently that computers have slowed down enough for me to be comfortable with an all-in-one. I'm still cruising with a 1999 G4 and have never upgraded anything (other than a cpu speed bump up to 800 from 350). Why pay for the "upgradability" if my recent past shows I don't upgrade?

      The author could have at least said the clam-shell iBooks were a flop, based on the logic of poor sales. Didn't only 13 year old girls buy those things?

      I don't recall the Newton being a flop either. I recall lawyers and doctors loving the thing, and Apple not being able to make enough of them. Just because average Joe consumer doesn't buy something (too expensive for them) doesn't make it a flop. There are some circles (albeit small) that still laud the capabilities of that thing. A better FLOP example would be those eBook school computer thingies they were trying to push on everyone (foget what they are called, you know..the ones with the mono green screens in an era of cheap and easy 32-bit color?)

      The Cube can be classified as a flop, only because it was poorly designed and overheated. Sales figures were based more in its propensity to incinerate its self moreso than the high price tag. The high price tag is bunk because people where buying $3000 Powerbooks left and right (myself included).

      Eworld was bundled with Performas. No surpise that it faded out, because dial-up one-stop Internet points like AOL and Prodigy were also dying out at the same time. Apple didn't see the point in continuing an outdated Internet access model.

      Here's an Apple flop for you..their QuickTake digital cameras. Those things were expensive and not suitable for the target market of creative professionals.

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