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KDE 4.0 Beta 1 Released 249

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dbhost writes "Along with this morning's cup of coffee and log reviews, I discovered that the KDE team is moving forward with a long awaited beta release of KDE 4.0 beta release of KDE 4.0. The most interesting item I found in the notes is that the file manager in KDE is being separated from Konqueror into a component called Dolphin. Also, according to the announcement, konsole has been treated to a number of improvements such as split view, and history highlighting."
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KDE 4.0 Beta 1 Released

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  • KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (Score:5, Informative)

    by rg3 (858575) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:11PM (#20093029) Homepage
    The KDE developers have been reminding people that KDE4 is not KDE 4.0. KDE 4.0 will be the first release in the KDE4 series. All the promised features won't be there in the initial version, and some of them will have to wait until KDE 4.1 or KDE 4.2. It never hurts to remind this, for all the people who have very high expectations.
    • Sorry, you lost me. Sun did something similar, by naming the framework "Java5" while the JVM/JDK was v1.5. Is it the same thing going on here? is KDE4 the "suite" and KDE 4.0 the API?
      • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:33PM (#20093367)
        KDE 4 is the entire 4.y.z series. KDE 4.0 refers to just the 4.0.z versions.
      • Sorry, you lost me. Sun did something similar, by naming the framework "Java5" while the JVM/JDK was v1.5. Is it the same thing going on here? is KDE4 the "suite" and KDE 4.0 the API?

        I don't think it's quite that bad. It looks as though KDE 4.x basically approaches KDE4 for increasing values of x; in other words, KDE4 is the end goal for the entire KDE 4.x release series.

      • by rg3 (858575) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:44PM (#20093559) Homepage
        No, sorry if that was confusing. I meant to say that KDE4 is a generic name for KDE 4.x, the whole release series (or branch, if you prefer). When the KDE developers talked about everything KDE4 will have, some people were left thinking that all the promised features will be in the KDE 4.0 release, and this is not the case. They should not think the KDE4 developers have lied and in the end left out all those features. KDE 4.0 will have all (or most) the underlying technologies needed to deliver the promised features, but some features will not appear inmediately. Instead, you may have to wait until KDE 4.1 (or 4.2, or ...) to enjoy them.
    • by mcrbids (148650) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:29PM (#20093317) Journal
      The KDE developers have been reminding people that KDE4 is not KDE 4.0. KDE 4.0 will be the first release in the KDE4 series. All the promised features won't be there in the initial version, and some of them will have to wait until KDE 4.1 or KDE 4.2. It never hurts to remind this, for all the people who have very high expectations.

      Yes folks! Brought to you by the same guys who brought us USB "High Speed" and USB "Full Speed", as well as the single-core "Core2" chip, not to be confused with the "Core2 Duo" chip, which actually is dual-core. (It's obvious - you have to look for TWO words that mean two before you actually get TWO. Sort of a "2+2=2, for extremely low values of 2" kinda thang)

      Given this scenario, most people would call it "KDE 4.0 Pre" or "KDE 4.0 alpha" or something like that... but that would make SENSE so let's not confuse the issue, shall we? This is KDE4, but it's NOT KDE 4.

      Or something.
      • by BabyDave (575083) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:55PM (#20093739)
        Would you prefer it if we call this one Expanded KDE, and the 4.1 release Extended KDE?
        • by El Icaro (816679) <icaro@spyma[ ]om ['c.c' in gap]> on Thursday August 02, 2007 @07:40PM (#20094989)
          How about KDE Home Basic? Then Home Premium... then Business Basic...

          A tried and true system that makes sense to everyone!
        • by noewun (591275) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @09:45PM (#20096149) Journal

          Would you prefer it if we call this one Expanded KDE, and the 4.1 release Extended KDE?

          KDE Super Professional Home Edition Supreme Service Pack Sqrt(-1) will do nicely.

      • Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Karellen (104380) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @06:22PM (#20094151) Homepage
        No, these are going to be polished releases, so are definitely deserving of the full "4.0" number. You missed the 2 Alphas, that was a while ago. This is the Beta, which is ready for some slightly more widespread testing, but not guaranteed to be completely stable. The "pre" releases, or release candidates, which should be around next month, should be almost there with only minor bugfixes in place.

        All they mean is that KDE 4.0 will not have all the features that later releases of KDE 4 will have.

        The point is that this is *not* commercial software, where version x.0 contains all the features you're ever going to get, and x.1, x.2, etc... just contain bug fixes and possibly a bit more shiny clip-art. I don't know if "release early, release often" can be applied to a project that's been 2 years in the making already, but if they waited until they'd written everything they could possibly think of into KDE4 before they released it, they'd probably *never* release it!

        Yes, they've got a whole load more interesting ideas that will get added to future KDE 4 releases. New minor versions will have cool new functionality. They just haven't had time to do it all at once.

        KDE 3.5 has a hell of a lot more stuff that KDE 3.0. But I'm glad they released KDE 3.0 in April 2002 instead of waiting until November 2005 to push it all out at once.
        • by Kjella (173770)
          No, these are going to be polished releases, so are definitely deserving of the full "4.0" number. You missed the 2 Alphas, that was a while ago. This is the Beta, which is ready for some slightly more widespread testing, but not guaranteed to be completely stable. The "pre" releases, or release candidates, which should be around next month, should be almost there with only minor bugfixes in place.

          We'll see - Qt 4.0 wasn't exactly a good example to follow, it was really buggy at first. They've rewritten a l
      • by ljaguar (245365)
        are you absolutely sure there was such a thing as core 2 solo?
        • AFAIK, Core 2 Solo was originally thought to be the step between between Core Solo and Core 2 Duo for desktop processors, but I don't believe Intel made these. Next month, Intel is supposed to be releasing ULV processors U2100 and U2200 which are supposed to be Core 2 Solo processors.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by niiler (716140)
        Right, and that is why on their announcements page it is called KDE 4.0 Beta 1. Those of us who have been following the alphas are well aware of the build process. The developers have been very up front with everything: what's included now, what's in the roadmap, etc.

        Many of us in the open source community have expected that beta releases are damn-near finished. The KDE developers are using the terms alpha and b

      • Are they the same guys who gave us DVD-R discs with RW on the packaging?
        oh it's a rewritable disc, err no - but you can read it AND write to it...

    • by Shadowlore (10860)
      Yet the download link on the KDE page calls it "KDE 4.0 beta"
    • okay given the habit of linux folks to do releases with NN.MM.OOOO* it would figure that KDE 4 is a series not a single product (way too few digits in that number)
      and yes i would expect that KDE 4.45.76fred would have more features than KDE 4.0

      Big Question ADAM when is KDE 4 going to make it into Mandriva 2007.1 backports??
    • by mrmeval (662166)
      I'd be happy if they'd fix the problems with libart that crash Konqueror in the current KDE.
  • ambitious (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SolusSD (680489) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:13PM (#20093063) Homepage
    The KDE project is *very* ambitious, especially the feature set for KDE4. Hopefully this turns some heads over in the gnome camp. IMHO they have a LOT of catching up to do in everything from infrustructure to performance.
    • by Kjella (173770)
      First they have to deliver on those promises though, in any case I've always felt that KDE has a bit broader scope than Gnome. Maybe it's just perception but I get the impression KDE is trying to be so much more than a GUI library, a honking big framework for all sorts of backend stuff. Almost so that every KDE program interfaces with KDElibs, KDElibs interfaces with everything else. It doesn't really make any extra cool features, but I think it will win out in the end for consistncy, interoperability and b
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The KDE project is *very* ambitious, especially the feature set for KDE4. Hopefully this turns some heads over in the gnome camp. IMHO they have a LOT of catching up to do in everything from infrustructure to performance.

      Gnome has to make a clear statement that "Mono" or "Silverlight" (whatever its port is called) will NEVER be part of it. It won't be required by ANY of system components and it won't do anything as "If you get Silverlight, your desktop will be prettier".

      It is not about performance, it is about a person in development team doing everything to be called trojan of Microsoft in OSS community.

      He also happens to be founder so.. that is the problem.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Ecks-E-Ar-Oh (744901)
      I've been using Kubuntu (used to be a SUSE man) and Dolphin for a month now and it makes life a hell of a lot easier. If you want to convert someone from Windows, put in the KDE XP theme and KBFX, and then show them Dolphin, Krita (fuck Gimp), Liferea, Amarok, and Pan. Setup the Media folder as your default in Dolphin and it is basically My Computer. You'll have to put the Home folder and Trash folder on the desktop for them as well (I hate that Ubuntu puts the trash icon on the taskbar, or that it can't do
      • You need a different distro if it takes 10 hours to config it for you.

        I installed windows the other day (trying to fill up my hard disk.) I had to reboot after installing the drivers for internet, then my display card, then my harddrive (no my fucking sata harddrive is not a removable device,) and even my usb ports. Then after the 4th reboot for updating windows I gave up and booted back to linux and free up that space again.

        Now, if I wasn't used to the "Linux" way, the windows way would have seemed norma
  • KDE Four Live CD (Score:5, Informative)

    by dotpavan (829804) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:13PM (#20093067) Homepage
    For those who dont want to install and test, here is an OpenSuse based KDE Live CD [kde.org]
  • Dolphin (Score:3, Informative)

    by gardyloo (512791) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:17PM (#20093141)
    It's a pretty nice file manager. I've used it for about a year, and tended to prefer it over Konqueror, at least until I found Krusader. But it's not as though Konqueror will lose its capabilities to be a file manager; it just won't be the default choice in KDE 4.0.
  • Minor clarification (Score:5, Informative)

    by MaelstromX (739241) * on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:19PM (#20093163)
    I was told in the KDE channel on Freenode that Dolphin will be an alternative (and default) file browser, but that Konqueror will still retain that functionality. Nitpicking the submission, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
  • I'll switch... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by HotBBQ (714130) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:24PM (#20093235)
    to KDE from Gnome if the default media player can play DVD videos with menu support. A browser plugin that allows me to seek streaming movies would be great too. Stupid Totem + gstreamer.
    • to KDE from Gnome if the default media player can play DVD videos with menu support.

      For the record, you know you can run software from either environment on the other, right? Switch to KDE and use your favorite Gnome DVD player, or stay where you are and start using Kaffeine. You'll miss a little bit of integration slickness by mixing and matching, but they'll still run well.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by catscan2000 (211521)
      Well, you're in luck, because Kaffeine [hftom.free.fr] can do exactly that. When combined with w32codecs, you can play just about anything. It's very nifty, and I'm very satisfied with it.

      I'm using openSUSE 10.2, and I had to recompile Kaffeine and install DeCSS to watch encrypted DVDs. Unfortunately, Novell compiles Kaffeine and libxine with encrypted DVD support disabled by default, but it's straightforward to recompile it using rpmbuild to include DVD support. 3rd party repositories out there, such as PackMan, also have
      • recompile Kaffeine to use encrypted CDs? Not necesary... there are many repositories that provide rpms that do this for you.
  • by Wylfing (144940) <.ten.gniflyw. .ta. .nairb.> on Thursday August 02, 2007 @05:25PM (#20093267) Homepage Journal

    I am a huge fan of KDE, so please do not consider this a troll, flamebait, etc. I appreciate all of the componentization of KDE4, and frankly KDE3 does some things that are remarkable, like the way it handles file access to FTP volumes. But what I want to know is this: Why does it seem like the KDE screen widgets are "flimsy"? For some reason, everything seems thin and breakable. This seems to have perpetuated into KDE4. Am I the only one that notices this?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by webax (1034218)
      My belief after working on KDE based applications in QT for some time that the "flimsy" aspect you describe is the fault of the underlying language of QT from Trolltech, especially QT4 and its continuous state of development even after being in "release" status for nearly two years now.

      Some graphical things are very difficult to implement and get broken too easily imo between even minor releases of QT.

      But again, I'm a huge fan, and I'm not going to stop programming in QT ;) There are just a lot of chal

    • by Tack (4642)

      Why does it seem like the KDE screen widgets are "flimsy"? For some reason, everything seems thin and breakable. This seems to have perpetuated into KDE4. Am I the only one that notices this?

      It's not just you. I've felt this since the beginning as well. It's an interesting perception. KDE is clearly quite powerful and flexible, and I've certainly not experienced any significant instability (not at least relative to other software), but yet I definitely do get the impression that it is toyish. I can't q

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Fallingcow (213461)
        I'm glad I'm not the only one.

        It's the main reason that I've stayed away from KDE. That, and the braindead menus, and the fact that I've never seen a theme for it that wasn't fugly, and its tendency to re-invent the wheel and/or put 500 functions in one app when I'd rather have 5 apps with 100 functions... OK, so the weird "feel" maybe isn't the main reason, but it is a reason.

        It feels a bit like Enlightenment, in a way that I can't really describe. Also kind of like the QNX Neutrino GUI, oddly enough, t
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      But what I want to know is this: Why does it seem like the KDE screen widgets are "flimsy"? For some reason, everything seems thin and breakable. This seems to have perpetuated into KDE4. Am I the only one that notices this?
      It's not you and it's not KDE; it's the monitor. They're cutting corners and scrimping on everything these days, including making the monitor glass thinner -- which, naturally, makes your KDE icons appear thin and breakable ...
    • I think that it has something to do with their use of gradients, although I can't put my finger on it either. The edges of widgets also seem to grate with me a little bit.

      I've tried to introduce myself to KDE several times over the past year (it seems nice, really). I want to like it, I want to be able to use it (or atleast Qt based apps alongsize GNOME), but every time I try, no matter what theme engine/colour scheme I try, I find myself constantly cringing at the appearance of the widgets. The closest I e
  • screenshot (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The entire infrastructure of KDE4 is fantastic
    http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde4fc1.p ng [imageshack.us]
  • I thought KDE4 was meant to include "Plasma" effects... what happened to that?!
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jZnat (793348) *
      Disabled by default in the beta 1 build perhaps? It's in SVN and making lots of progress lately.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Hooded One (684008)
      Plasma is indeed there. They haven't replaced kicker with a Plasma-based panel yet, but that part's being worked on; getting the API and libs more or less in shape was the first priority. You can see Plasma in action as it currently stands in the new Run dialog, as well as a small sample of widgets like the dictionary applet. You can also see demos of some of the upcoming stuff in Aaron Seigo's blog [blogspot.com].
  • kdolphin? (Score:5, Funny)

    by serviscope_minor (664417) on Thursday August 02, 2007 @06:45PM (#20094437) Journal
    kthey hkave kbroken kfrom ktradition kby kalling ka kprogram ka kname kwhich kdoesn't kstart kwith ka k. Kis kthis kthe kend kof KDE kas kwe kknow kit?

    guess GI'll ghave gto gswitch gto gnome gnow.
  • The last time it was updated was 2005?

    http://www.kde.org/history/awards.php [kde.org]

    I would think that would be embarrassing if you had a 2 year award drought.
  • KDE Integration (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02, 2007 @07:39PM (#20094983)
    I have always preferred KDE over other options, and am very excited by this. However I do wonder if there is a fundamental problem with the design of the desktop environments for Linux.

    Things like 'Solid', 'Plasma', and 'Phonon' sound great, and the idea of unifying for example sound and multimedia in Phonon is very nice - it will be wonderful for those developing KDE apps, and great for the user to have centralised control over multimedia settings. But then I thought about what KDE apps I actually use. Firefox, Thunderbird, Mplayer, Gimp, OpenOffice are probably the most commonly used, and they aren't KDE apps! So I find it a little annoying that most of the programs I use won't use these nice KDE features. It's for this reason I've switched to fluxbox recently - it seemed as though I was using KDE for the nice layout and desktop management, but not much else - and to be honest I can do without a Matrix screensaver and fancy titlebars when I can reclaim a load of space and performace (or course installing Amarok and k3b then pulls in a load of KDE libraries...). Don't get me wrong - I like eyecandy and so on, but I just don't seem to be using much else. The most useful part of KDE for me was Konqueror - there the tight integration really did shine, but it would be insulting to KDE to claim that's all it's useful for. This is of course the same for Gnome. Generally the idea of diversity is what makes Linux so strong, but I do sometimes wonder if a nice unified desktop that all works together (read: OS X) without seeming like lots of separate applications all using different libraries, all looking completely different, with some using OSS others ALSA (although admittedly this is no longer really an issue with current versions of ALSA) and only being able to use IO slaves and so on in the small number of KDE programs that I actually use, is just never going to be possible.

    Of course this all comes down to the fact that Linux is about choice, which is great. But perhaps KDE and others are stretching themselves too wide - for example KOffice is nice, but OpenOffice has a great deal more functionality, so perhaps working to integrate existing solutions might be a better way to spend time. It's things like this that make you appreciate why standards exist... (you can have standards but still have choice)

    I'm not really sure if what I've said is actually the case and maybe others have different experiences. I will definitely try out KDE4 when the final release is made. I've used it for years and I just hope that all the work to create a nice integrated environment will actually be something that will be used!
    • by Enahs (1606)
      If you run XScreensaver, you can have your Matrix screen saver.

      I know what you mean, though. I'm finding myself migrating back to a large collection of (gasp) console apps. Last night I caught myself using Screen to switch between irssi, mutt, wyrd, vim, and ncmpc. After spending a few years working with Macs and being a KDE zealot, I feel a little dirty :-}
    • by MadAhab (40080)
      I get your point, but you're overselling it a bit.

      I don't know what you use for IM, but I'm quite happy with Kopete. I'm a FreeBSD user so maybe I miss out on some voice chat integration that's totally awesome on one distro somewhere, but I don't really care.

      I used XFCE4 for a while, but at the time the taskbar apps were single threaded and just being offline made the weather applet, which was otherwise excellent, unusable.

      I've used Windowmaker and Gnome.

      KDE just feels less patchy for me.

      But I have to say t
    • Re:KDE Integration (Score:4, Insightful)

      by pherthyl (445706) on Friday August 03, 2007 @12:47AM (#20097457)
      Of course, if you don't use KDE apps you can't benefit from their integration. For me it's the opposite. I try to use as many KDE apps as possible. Sure, konqueror-the-web-browser is not quite as compatible or full featured as Firefox, but it integrates much nicer with the rest of KDE (spell check, password saving, file downloading, mimetype handling, keyboard shortcuts, file dialogs, configuration, widgets) that I use it 95% of the time over Firefox. Instead of Thunderbird I use Kontact and webmail, instead of Mplayer there is Codeine, and for most simple image editing tasks Krita and Kolourpaint are good enough so I rarely have to reach for the Gimp. The only app that really has no replacement is Openoffice, and with the KDE integration module it more or less fits into the desktop.

      I would much rather see Konqueror and KOffice improve to surpass Firefox/Openoffice than have those projects given up. If you've ever seen the Mozilla codebase (or even worse, the Openoffice one) you wouldn't want anyone to be forced to work on that mess. Open source projects need to place the utmost importance on code quality to attract new developers. There aren't a lot of people willing to contribute to an open source project purely in their free time in the first place, and making the codebase hostile is a great way of scaring off those precious few. Without the commercial backing of Sun and the Mozilla foundation, neither Openoffice or Firefox would be even remotely close to where they are today. While all the grunt work has made them both into nice products, I don't like betting the farm on something that is essentially reliant on a constant influx of cash to keep going.
  • by The Master Control P (655590) <ejkeever.nerdshack@com> on Thursday August 02, 2007 @09:44PM (#20096145)
    I've run on KDE ever since I switched to Linux with Mandrake 8.2. One thing I've noticed of late is that Konqueror seems to freaking hemmorage memory over time. My machine has 1GB of ram, and eventually it reaches the point where Konqueror and X combine to use up 2/3 of my physical memory. Throw in Amarok and a few other low-level hogs (like mysqld) and it's page swapping time. At this point, I just have to restart my desktop (luckily KDE [mostly] saves it's state before doing this) and poof, back to being snappy.

    It usually takes about two weeks to a month of nominal use, but still. I run my desktop continually, and it's an annoyance. I lose time-dependent web pages, SSL web pages, and all my SSH terminals.

    IMO, something shouldn't be released out of alpha until "valgrind --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes [app]" doesn't show any lost blocks more than a few hundred bytes.
  • I've read the posts, it's just me (and my preferences, as I only use KDE) or there are a LOT of posts pushing the Gnome agenda?

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