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IPv6 Over Social Networks 102

Posted by timothy
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An anonymous reader writes "A new RFC has been published this morning to significantly speed the deployment of IPv6. With IPv6 over Social Network (IPoSN), '[e]very user is a router with at least one loopback interface,' and 'Every friend or connection between users will be used as a point-to-point link.' It is noted that latency on the network can be very high, though."
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IPv6 Over Social Networks

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  • by jollyreaper (513215) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:03PM (#27423781)

    Tracert to determine answer?

    • Only if Kevin Bacon is a social network user...

      With IPv6 over Social Network (IPoSN):

      o Every user is a router with at least one loopback interface;

      ...

      1. the account owner must explicitly 'run the CPU' in order to
      forward or to receive IPv6 packets; this is an opportunity for
      IPoSN to detail all its operation (one goal is education)

  • by tjstork (137384) <todd@bandrowsky.gmail@com> on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:07PM (#27423815) Homepage Journal

    This protocol has been so touted, so advocated and so under adopted, that it reminds of the days of OS/2 being the next big thing.

  • Maybe, in the far future, we can have ipv12 where all trees will be interconnected to combat infestations and maybe even our own imune system hooked to ipv2^n so we can finally deal with food poisoning.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:09PM (#27423841)

    IPv6

    • by XPeter (1429763) *
      With 6.5B+ people on this planet IPv4 won't last forever. Moving from IPv4 is like moving from 32 bit to 64 (128 in this case). Simple. Unless your using Vista, of course.
      • by eln (21727) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:20PM (#27423977) Homepage

        Moving from IPv4 is like moving from 32 bit to 64 (128 in this case).

        You mean in that it's been around for years but most people still haven't switched and probably won't in the near future?

        Yah, I guess it is like that.

  • by $RANDOMLUSER (804576) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:11PM (#27423857)
    I was promised poniez. And a flying car. And electricity "too cheap to meter". And vacations on the Moon. And a Larger Penis. And a Whistling Yo-Yo. And Hot Chicks. And a raise. And sex next weekend if I'm Very Very Good and don't go to the bar with the guys. And a Red Ryder BB gun. And the Four Day Work Week. And fusion reactors in 10 years. And a lot of other stuff.


    But mostly the poniez. And the flying car. That's all I want.
    • Here, here, I second this desire for poniez. If you people refuse to supply the poniez I'll be forced to find my own. Sadly I'm not too good at finding poniez. Best I could do was this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGYh8AacgY&flip=1 [youtube.com]
    • After a minor shipping delay, flying cars have arrived for all [today.com]. As of today, all major cities also feature moving pavements and weather control and commuter flights to the Moon will be commencing tomorrow.

      Earth President Barack Obama welcomed the representatives of the Galactic Brotherhood to Washington, assuring them that the many wars on Earth were now to be conducted entirely by robots, though the robots would be carefully monitored and pulled out of battle and granted citizenship the moment they achieved sentience. He also offered the galactics free access to Google, with only the requirement for tasteful contextually-attuned text advertising to be imprinted on their DNA.

      The reactionary forces of the twentieth-century United States finally conceded defeat and shut down the Five-Year Plan Tractor Plants of Detroit, where ridiculous oversized transport was bashed together by semi-literate peasants between fifths of vodka from the nerve gas factory next door, and the Five-Year Plan Software Plants of Redmond, where ridiculous oversized operating systems were bashed together by semi-numerate fresh graduates between fifths of Red Bull. The record and movie company back catalogues have been placed into the public domain for the preservation of human culture and the comic-book capitalists of Wall Street have been sent to calming, soothing, humanistic re-education facilities. "We'll teach them to love again," said Mr Obama.

      Robot housecleaners are now universally available at quite reasonable prices. The robot companion for your child, designed to say "I LOVE YOU" while the child hits it repeatedly, was an early release for Christmas 2007. The new model features the voice of Justin Fletcher from CBeebies and is designed for parents to hit repeatedly.

      Future innovations for the century include the rise of the Great Old Ones from their eternal sleep to take back the Earth and consume the souls of all humanity, first driving them slowly insane. The citizenry is being prepared for this eventuality using repeated broadcasts of In The Night Garden.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Idiomatick (976696)
        To be fair we have had planes that also go on roads for a loooong time. China does control its weather to a degree. And anyone that has worked on the moon CLEARLY commuted to work. You could strap a furby to a roomba for the last bit too.
        • "The robot companion for your child, designed to say "I LOVE YOU" while the child hits it repeatedly," is a real product [vtechuk.com]. My daughter (then 7 months old) got one for Christmas 2007. It says "I LOVE YOU" when the child hits it. Aieee!
    •   grat sex text

      SB

    • Peppermint Patty: You call this a Year 2000, Chuck? You invite us over for New Year's, and this is what we get - popcorn and jelly beans? Where's the space hotels? Where's the hover cars? Where's the robot servants? Where's the caped jumpsuits? Where's the Age of Leisure?!
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by raind (174356)

      Sienfield: "but I don't want to be a router"

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by houghi (78078)

      And the Four Day Work Week.

      That is already here. It is called unemployment. 1 out out of 5 people don't have a job.

    • by kabocox (199019)

      All we that can actually give you is the Whistling Yo-Yo and the Four Day Work Week with 12 hour work days.

  • Prisoner: There's a message through the grapevine, Johnny.
    Johnny: Yeah? What is it?
    Prisoner: Johnny and the Mothers are playing "Stompin' at the Savoy" in Vermont tonight.
    Johnny: Vermin's going to kill my brother at the Savoy theater tonight!
    Prisoner: I didn't say that.
    Johnny: No, but I know this grapevine.

  • by sifur (1423871)
    In addition to the expected high latency, this RFC also depends on a notoriously insecure transport medium. Suggest implementing security measures such as taping over mouth and covering your eyes and ears with your hands. This will have the added benefit of being unable to speak, see, or hear evil.
  • I don't care how much "publicity" they throw at IPv6, if the actual network admins don't adopt it, it will not go anywhere fast.

    I know, for my company at least, we don't want it because it not as intuitive as IPv4. AND the users already know how to use the "192.168. ... " terminology. To try to teach a user IPv6 is the same as trying to get them to take their heads out of their arses !!!
    • by Cajal (154122) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:18PM (#27423955)

      How is it not as intuitive as IPv4?

      Why do you have users using IP addresses? That's what DNS is for.

      • My home router exists at 192.168.0.1, and that is much easier than 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334 for first time setup or troubleshooting every other year.

        I am not a network admin; I transfer files between computers so infrequently that it is easier to look up what has which IP address than try to remember all the stupid little tricks of samba file sharing.

        • by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D (1160707) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @07:53PM (#27425329)
          The home router on IPv6 is always always always at ff02::2. It is not sometimes 192.168.0.1 or sometimes 192.168.1.1 or sometimes 10.0.0.1 or sometimes something else entirely. It is ALWAYS ff02::2. Period. No exceptions. If it is not, it is not IPv6.
          • It is ALWAYS ff02::2. Period. No exceptions. If it is not, it is not IPv6.

            I must not have IPV6 correctly configured at my site...

            $ ssh root@ff02::2%eth0
            ssh: connect to host ff02::2%eth0 port 22: Network is unreachable

            $ ssh root@fe80::200:ff:fe00:0%eth0

            BusyBox v1.4.2 (2007-09-29 09:01:24 CEST) Built-in shell (ash)
            Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

            [PRETEND THAT THE OPENWRT BANNER IS HERE.
            THE FILTER HATES ASCII ART.]
            KAMIKAZE (7.09)

            * 10 oz Vodka Shake well with ice and strain
            * 10 oz Triple sec mixture into

          • by Cajal (154122)

            Well, sort of. ff02::2 is the link-local all routers muticast group. You can ping6 that address to get the link-local address of your router.

            Of course, you can also you router advertisements to have your routing table automatically populated. RAs are nice for home networks.

    • by broward (416376)

      http://www.realmeme.com/roller/page/realmeme/?entry=ipv6_revisited [realmeme.com]

      It makes no matter to me but it looks like IPv6 is finally taking off. I wouldn't bet against it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by gbjbaanb (229885)

      forget the admins, its the home routers. For everyone who wants to adopt IPv6, there's a shitty cheap router that simply doesn't support it. Unfortunately, the fact that the internet still works is enough to justify not buying a new one (not that there are many about).

      If my router supported it easily, and I could just get myself an IPv6 address, I'd be using it. As it is, it requires some hassle, so I don't. That applies to the millions of ignorant users out there who wouldn't know how to set themselves up

      • by mariushm (1022195)

        I'd like to have ipv6 but UPC (Chello in NL and some parts of Europe) has no plans to support it at this time.

        They did deploy new cable modems since a year ago because they planned ahead to switch to DOCSIS 3 and in a few months they will do that. Towards the end of the year they plan to go for 50 mbps down / 10mbps up.

        I don't know if these cable modems do support ipv6 but if they don't they'll probably just bring fiber to the premises (the apartment building) and pull utp cable in each apartment) so this w

  • /. Effect (Score:4, Funny)

    by digitac (24581) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:15PM (#27423919) Homepage

    This is great and all, but now we must find a way to implement the slashdot effect over IPoSN!

  • Even though this seems like another April fools joke, isn't one of the purposes of making IPv6 have *so many* possible address to make things like this possible?
    • my comp science teacher once said, "With IPV6, there will be enough IP addresses for every toaster on mars"

      Come to think of it... There are no toasters on mars... So his comment makes no sense.

      I never listened much to that guy anyway.

      • by HTH NE1 (675604)

        my comp science teacher once said, "With IPV6, there will be enough IP addresses for every toaster on mars"

        "That word is racist! I don't like it!"

        Come to think of it... There are no toasters on mars... So his comment makes no sense.

        "Say something, Gaius. Tell [him] you won't have racial epithets used in your presence!"

  • just what we needed :/
  • http://www.realmeme.com/roller/page/realmeme/?entry=ipv6_revisited [realmeme.com]

    I posted this a few months ago. IPv6 is finally broken out of its false trend lines of the past few years so it looks like it's finally moving towards a mainstream technology.

  • Solve 2 problems with one stone. Get rid of bankers, give everyone an excuse to actually implement IPv6

    http://www.gmlets.u-net.com/explore/home.html [u-net.com]
     

  • You do realize that by dedicating a full day of /. to posting April Fool's Day jokes that any arguments, however superficial, that /. aggregates business-relevant content that must be monitored a certain percentage of the workday are completely defenestrated, correct?

    Sincerely,

    Buzz Killington

    Dictated but not read.
  • by microbee (682094) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @05:35PM (#27424131)

    Serious, does every posting have to be a joke?

  • This is an April Fools, right guys? Right?
  • Slashdot needs to quit posting these jokes and post some news about the current DNS outage...

  • Sadly, this is what it will take to get ip6 actually used by the masses.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @06:02PM (#27424357)

    http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "You find that you can't reach the CNN servers or the Google servers or your company's web servers."

      not anymore completely true. try ipv6.google.com.

      "every administrator of a client on a public IPv4 address---has to go to extra effort to acquire and enable a public IPv6 address."

      every IPv4 address gets a /48 6to4 IPv6 prefix. (putting the discussion of 6to4 itself aside).
      This will likely get you the v6 connectivity in half a day.

      Though of course it's not the way to go for a large site. But hey, the "extra e

      • by Tony Hoyle (11698) *

        ipv6.google.com is one page, and since google doesn't index ipv6 it's actually pretty damn useless unless you also have ipv4 connectivity.

  • I can imagine an introductory computer networking class being taught with this, with the students passing IPv6 messages over Facebook. Of course, some mechanism is needed to check for their correctness.
  • [j]ust [b]eam [u]s [u]p [s]cotty!

  • Not nearly as good as the old TCP over carrier pigeon. With the birds there was much higher latency (measured in days or weeks sometimes) and the packet loss could be attributed to other wildlife, or poor training of the carrier. But OK I see it, this one could work.
    • by dotgain (630123)
      Pigeons are layer one devices, remember - so they carry a layer two protocol, namely 'IP'.
  • ipv4.5? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by r_naked (150044) on Wednesday April 01, 2009 @07:20PM (#27425025) Homepage

    Was there something wrong with coming up with an addressing scheme that DIDN'T involve hex?

    For example, go 64bit and use 16bit "hextets" -- 512.512.512.512. With that scheme you would have full backwards compatibility by using good old standard CIDR. If someone owned 1.255.255.255/8 today, with the switch they would still have that allotment, but we would now have 1.511.511.511/8 available as well. Am I missing something really obvious here?

    For that matter, if we REALLY needed 128bit, go with either 32bit "somethingtets" -- 1024.1024.1024.1024...

    Again, I would really like a network engineer / programmer to explain why this wouldn't work.

    Who had the bright idea that we had to use hex for ipv6 AND have it not be backwards compatible.

    From the people I talk to, the biggest reason they haven't gone ipv6 on their home networks is "because then I have to think in hex", with the secondary reason being "there is nothing available on ipv6 that isn't on ipv4 anyway".

    Thanks,

    -- Brian

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Because hex is a better, EASIER representation of the binary that actually encodes the address. Ever tried to use the 192.168.0.0/8 notation? Did you notice how it's really confusing with decimal notation?

      Frankly, if you can't wrap your head around hex then you shouldn't be using IP addresses. It's called DNS, learn it and love it.

      Additionally, it is (sort of) backwards compatible (as much as it can be, without neutering it)- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Transition_mechanisms

      "As an exception to standar

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You might want to recheck your arithmetic ;) (hint: 2^16 isn't 512.)

      Hex is a lot more compact, and easier to verify than decimal addresses. Ever tried to write a regex to match only valid ipv4 addresses?

      And anyway, doing that doesn't give you backwards compatibility with anything - you still have to lengthen the IP header, meaning you'd have to have a transition anyway.

    • by cobbaut (232092)

      Because hextets would be written as 65536.65536.65536.65536 instead of 512.512.512.512

  • Oh great, now I won't only have to ignore those idiots but also go the extra mile and add a DROP rule in ip6tables.
  • I'm surprised no one has mentioned that this has actually been implemented as a Facebook application. When will /. support IPoSN?

  • I love the idea of having more IP addresses but I fear the dangers of exposing our systems to the public net. NAT provides, at least, some sort of firewall for me. Sure, IPv6 can do NAT too but if I don't need it, why configure it? Just plug my PC into the public network and you're online with a public IPv6. Yeah, and that's what I think can be scary.
    • by TCM (130219)

      Sigh, can we let the uninformed posts die please? NAT has got nothing to do with a packet filter.

      You can do NAT without a packet filter, you can do filtering without NAT.

      What prevents you from using a stateful packet filter with IPv6? Exactly, nothing.

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