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Norwegian Lawyers Must Stop Chasing File Sharers 186

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from the media-sentries-no-more dept.
Skapare sends word from TorrentFreak that Norway's Simonsen law firm has lost their license to pursue file sharers. "Just days after Norway's data protection department told ISPs they must delete all personal IP address-related data three weeks after collection, it's now become safer than ever to be a file-sharer in Norway. The only law firm with a license to track pirates has just seen it expire and it won't be renewed." Skapare adds, "Sounds like Norway's government treats privacy seriously. Maybe they've been watching the abuses in the USA. More info on the Norwegian perspective in this Google translation from Dagbladet.no."
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Norwegian Lawyers Must Stop Chasing File Sharers

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  • Half-right... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chabo (880571) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @01:44PM (#28441735) Homepage Journal

    Sounds like Norway's government treats privacy seriously. Maybe they've been watching the abuses in the USA.

    A bigger part of it is just that European governments take the privacy of their citizens very seriously.

    Except Britain, of course.

  • by Sholmas (834335) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @01:46PM (#28441781)
    The Minister of Culture has said he supports the outing of "pirates", and will support the so-called "pirate-hunters" in their application for a new lisence. Google Translate link: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2F2009%2F06%2F23%2Fkultur%2Ffildeling%2Fteknio%2Ftrond_giske%2F6860130%2F&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0= [google.com]
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Which I don't really think is a bad thing in and of itself. If you can prove reasonably that someone downloaded MovieX, by all means, fine them 10x the going retail price. The trick is to go after people you KNOW committed copyright infringement. Not the maybe's. Not the torrent sites/Napster-like software producers.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by omglolbah (731566)
        Actually, the issue here isnt the logging in itself.

        It is that what is police business is now pretty much outsourced to a private entity. An entity with a very strong economic stake in said business.

        The ip addresses this firm has collected has for instance been used to demand personal information on users from ISPs. They want to have the right to acquire that sort of information -without- involving the courts. That is completely unacceptable. What makes this even worse is that what is currently happening an
    • by verbalcontract (909922) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:00PM (#28442047)

      "Pirate-hunters" -- you are speaking of course about their age-old enemies, the ninjas?

    • by hyfe (641811) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @03:29PM (#28443593)
      Yes, but in the same article Ove Skåra from Datatilsynet (computer-watch.. government institution set up to help protect our privacy. They give out permits for surveillance cameraes and can give out legally binding rulings to companies who are in breach of privacy-laws) is quoted with saying:

      "- Da er et brev med en anbefaling på ingen måte nok. Hvis ikke det kommer noen nye opplysninger, vil jeg ikke tro at brevet gjør noen særlig forskjell, sier han. "

      (..since we recently had a meeting with the department concerning this..)
      "- A letter with a recommondation is by no means enough. Unless there is new information relevant to the case, I do not believe the letter will make any difference".

    • by Kjella (173770)

      He was positive the last time too, but the data protection agency has basicly said we need laws/regulatiosn to keep doing this - no more temporary permits. The translation in poor:

      "This is a letter with a recommendation in no way NOK. If not there is any new information, I will not believe that letter makes much difference, "he said."
      should be:
      "Then a letter of recommendation is in no way enough. If there is no new information, I do not believe the letter will make much difference" he said.

  • by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @01:49PM (#28441855)

    Maybe its not that they care so much about privacy that they don't care so much about piracy.

    The reason the US gets so butt-hurt about piracy is because hollywood dominates the entertainment business worldwide - there are only a handful of countries were domestic movies regularly outsell hollywood productions at the box office (mostly S Korea, France, India and mainland China and some of that is helped by quota restrictions on foreign productions), and my guess is that the number is even smaller when it comes to DVDs.

    Now I'm going to make a wild-ass guess that a lot of the locally produced works in Norway receive significant public funding. If true, that's also an incentive to ignore piracy because if tax dollars are paying for the creation then it isn't a big leap of logic to expect that the results are "owned" by the public too.

    So, from that perspective, it seems reasonable that anti-piracy would be near the bottom of the list of government priorities in Norway (and many other countries for that matter).

    • by causality (777677) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @03:47PM (#28443905)

      Maybe its not that they care so much about privacy that they don't care so much about piracy.

      The reason the US gets so butt-hurt about piracy is because hollywood dominates the entertainment business worldwide - there are only a handful of countries were domestic movies regularly outsell hollywood productions at the box office (mostly S Korea, France, India and mainland China and some of that is helped by quota restrictions on foreign productions), and my guess is that the number is even smaller when it comes to DVDs.

      Now I'm going to make a wild-ass guess that a lot of the locally produced works in Norway receive significant public funding. If true, that's also an incentive to ignore piracy because if tax dollars are paying for the creation then it isn't a big leap of logic to expect that the results are "owned" by the public too.

      So, from that perspective, it seems reasonable that anti-piracy would be near the bottom of the list of government priorities in Norway (and many other countries for that matter).

      I've always felt that when govenrments worry about things like piracy and drug usage, what they're really doing is sending the message "we have an overabundance of resources and personnel which is why we can afford to worry about these things -- please reduce our size and power immediately." The message is quite clear but there are a lot of people who have difficulty interpreting it.

      • what they're really doing is sending the message "we have an overabundance of resources and personnel which is why we can afford to worry about these things -- please reduce our size and power immediately."

        Holy shit. You're right. I've never thought of it that way. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      • [hunting piracy and drugs is] sending the message "we have an overabundance of resources and personnel [...] please reduce our size and power immediately."

        I always thought it sent the message "We have the power to control your lives because there's no oversight or accountability, and we want to because we're powertripping pricks, so screw you and give us more power".

        Not that I agree with it...

    • by westlake (615356)

      hollywood dominates the entertainment business worldwide - there are only a handful of countries were domestic movies regularly outsell hollywood productions at the box office...and some of that is helped by quota restrictions on foreign productions

      I suspect that would be true across the board - music, books, games and videos of every sort.

      But that has implications the geek may not like.

      It suggests - first of all - that the small scale open-sourced "garage band" culture the geek imagines will never happen.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    We've a few questions.

    1. What's the tech economy like over there?
    2. How long does it take to learn your language OR how English friendly is it?
    3. What's the average cost of living in your cities?

    Thanks in advance.

    • by Dionysus (12737) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:03PM (#28442107) Homepage

      1. What's the tech economy like over there?
      2. How long does it take to learn your language OR how English friendly is it?
      3. What's the average cost of living in your cities?

      1. It's OK. Mostly in finance and oil industry. Java (SOA) is heavily used.
      2. Business is basically English (even for Norwegian companies). My company has Swedes (lots), Sri Lankan, Englishmen, couple of Indians/Pakistani, French. Coding/documentation is in English.
      3. About like Bay Area.

      All that, and we get standard 5 weeks of paid vacation, paternity/maternity leave (husband/wife get to share how much they spend at home the first year), strong currency (relatively cheap to buy stuff when you travel), beautiful Swedish women.
      Minuses: a socialist government and Jante Law [wikipedia.org] ingrained in the Norwegian psyche.

      • by Itninja (937614)
        I have heard there is something like a 60% tax rate. Is that true?
        • by The Wannabe King (745989) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:53PM (#28442969)
          That depends on how you calculate it. The income tax is usually about 30 % - 35 % for an ordinary income ($60k). The marginal tax rate is 47.8 % for income over $110k. In addition the employer has to pay a tax of 14.1 % of the employee's income that the employee never sees. It should probably be included. The VAT is a whopping 25 % (14 % on food).

          If you make a lot of money, and spend most of it on non-food, it is probably possible to pass 60 %, but that is rare.

          I would also say the numbers are misleading without some information on what you get. Norway, like the rest of Europe, has universal heath care so there is no health insurance to pay, no matter what preconditions you may have. The taxes also include unemployment benefits, a pension plan and 100 % pay for a year if you can't work due to illness. Comparing tax rates without accounting for insurances you absolutely need to have is not fair.

          • by causality (777677)

            In addition the employer has to pay a tax of 14.1 % of the employee's income that the employee never sees.

            I will add just one thing to that: businesses don't actually pay taxes. Sure, they are charged taxes and they transfer money to the government, but when they do so they act as collection agents for the government. The difference between exclusive sales taxes and inclusive income taxes is that for the sales tax, the receipt given to the customer itemizes exactly how much of the total sum was spent on

            • by blitziod (591194)
              not exactly true...the cost of living( factoring in prices after taxes) has a lot to do with the cost of labor and anything produced by labor. So in the case of an income tax based system, local companies do not pay taxes BUT the taxes are paid by the conumer. In the case of a sales tax system ALL taxes are paid by the consumer where the product is consumed. Basicly our income tax subsidizes companies in japan, china, etc. If everyone used a sales tax system it would be more fair, and we would fair bette
        • by fadir (522518)

          Top-tax is 48% (starts at 450.000kr if I remember it right). Why don't you guys just simply google it?
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world [wikipedia.org]

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Maxo-Texas (864189)

            Because a native might provide information on the secondary taxes not listed on that page.

            It is a great page, but it doesn't come close to the total tax load.

            In the US, the stated tax rate is 28% on the page.
            In reality, it's much higher.
            So I know that the rate on that page doesn't include.

            Social security Taxes (7.5%) -- except for rich people.. who it can be .1% or less (esp if they structure their income as dividends)
            Employer portion of social security (7.5%) -- except for rich people.. who it can be .1% o

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by Eccles (932)

              You forgot Medicare taxes (2.9% of income?) too.

            • by Carnildo (712617)

              Telephone taxes (higher than the bill portion of my land line)

              You might want to take a close look at those "taxes": many of them are actually service fees or are otherwise returned to the phone company.

              For example, my monthly phone bill is about $24, of which $12.50 is for phone service. However, the second-largest part of the bill is a $7.50 fee named and described as if it were a tax, but it's actually what I'm paying the phone company for access to their network -- the government doesn't see one penny o

      • by oldhack (1037484)

        "Minuses: a socialist government and Jante Law ingrained in the Norwegian psyche."

        So, how do you say "passive-aggressive" in Norwegian?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by TheMaister (1583533)

      1. Soso. Opera's doing very nicely these days at least. :p Also, I think we're a leading force in micro/nano technology.

      2. Norwegian is kinda hard to learn as you can't learn it well by studying alone. It has so many ways of expressing yourself that wouldn't make any sense in eg. English. I guess it's the same for most languages, but Norwegian is considered a hard language to learn because of all the irregularites. Something we learn in school is "EVERY rule has an (many) exceptions." :p English and Norwegi

      • by EvilIdler (21087)

        I think Dubai was more expensive than Oslo :)

        But it's OK, actually. Most big cities in the north and west of Europe are getting expensive, but salaries are matching. Apartments can range from a few thousand NOK if you have luck (my cave is one of the cheap ones) to 15000 NOK (well over $2000) if you're an idiot. You don't need to live smack-dab in the middle of downtown, especially if you don't actually work there. It's also a relatively small city, so despite the best efforts of Ruter/NSB, you can get to w

      • by fadir (522518)

        I don't know why you think that Norwegian is hard to learn but we have a student from England here and he learnt fluent Norwegian within a few months without any major effort. The language is pretty easy, no fancy grammar or the like.

        Try learning Russian or Finnish and then compare it to Norwegian!

      • by Wheely (2500)

        Norwegians think itÂs a hard language to learn but itÂs construction is largely the same as English. Obviously it has weird constructs (like indicating "the" twice if thereÂs a adjective describing a noun but not if there isnÂt - wtf?) but it isnÂt madly different than English. It is surprisingy imprecise compared to English though which makes it easier to learn than it might be.

      • I'd say you probably could learn passable Norwegian by studying alone. To be fluent in any language you've really got to surround yourself with native speakers. I think what makes Norwegian difficult is the diversity of dialects - a learner that could get by in Oslo might struggle in for example Ålesund.

        English doesn't really have that problem as it's fairly standardised worldwide, although there's a bit of variation in the UK and Ireland. The problem with English is the sheer size of the vocabular

    • by Skapare (16644)

      Major companies work in English. English is a required language in all schools now, so only the older people and the language challenged can't speak it in some way. But, Norwegian isn't so hard to learn. Lots of words shorter than English ... "light and sound" is "lys og lyd" ... "USB memory stick" is "USB minne pinne" ... "lightning and thunder" is "lyn og torden". And "FAEN [youtube.com]" is the universal curse word.

      Cost of living in the Oslo area is very high (you might want to try Trondheim if you like the cold

    • by orzetto (545509) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:46PM (#28442849)

      Not Norwegian myself, though lived there 7 years. Possibly moving back in the near future.

      1. 1. Pretty good I would say. The country has had budget surplus for years and is not feeling the effects of the crisis as bad as e.g. Iceland. Estate prices actually went up 4% first quarter [www.vg.no] (most Norwegians do own their home, so it's a good indicator).
      2. 2. Norwegian is not as difficult as German but not as easy as French, many words are not guessable. Main difficulty is that everybody speaks very good English and practising Norwegian is quite difficult if you are not strong-willed. Also, most imported TV shows and movies are in original language (i.e. 90% English). Learning Norwegian also means you can read Danish and read/understand Swedish.
      3. 3. Insane, but you pay what you get for. Alcoholic beverages quite expensive because of local edition of prohibition never really being abolished. Foodstuffs are expensive because of protectionism, and quality is lacking (keep in mind I come from a country with high food standard, so I am picky; from the US it's probably still an improvement). Other wares (computer parts, internet connections, whatever could interest a slashdotter) are in line with most of Europe. However, salaries are pretty high for most standards. Note that the Gini index is quite low, i.e. as a sysadmin you will make more than in the US, but not as a CEO.

      You forgot to ask for:

      • Taxes; it's 25% VAT IIRC, plus about 25-30% on your income (that's for a typical engineering job, after all detractions are taken care of). In 2007 I made 458 kNOK (about $100k) gross as a C++ programmer and paid 29.5% in direct taxes.
      • Healthcare: Grand Old Socialist system. You pay 7.8% of gross income (that's already included in the figure at the previous point), when you go to the hospital you could have to pay a fee; anything beyond a certain amount (it used to be 1600 NOK / $250) is shouldered by the state, though. Dentists are for reasons unknown to me only private (and guess what, that's the part of the Norwegian health care that it expensive and broken).
      • Bureaucracy: pretty efficient. I live in Germany now and I think the Norwegians did a better job. Not boneheaded at following rules, result-oriented but not scruffy.

      So yes, it's a pretty nice place to be, unless you can't stand snow, rain, and socialists in power.

      • by fadir (522518)

        Nice summary even though I don't understand how one could think that French would be easier to learn than Norwegian.

        Actually 100% of the movies are original language with subtitles, except for children stuff. I have yet to find a single dubbed 12+ movie.

      • by Kjella (173770)

        2. Norwegian is not as difficult as German but not as easy as French, many words are not guessable. Main difficulty is that everybody speaks very good English and practising Norwegian is quite difficult if you are not strong-willed. Also, most imported TV shows and movies are in original language (i.e. 90% English). Learning Norwegian also means you can read Danish and read/understand Swedish.

        If norwegian is your first langauge outside english, I'd call it optimistic to understand swedish and danish as well. You said you live in germany now and knowing german helps a lot, often words have their german counterpart instead. For example window = vindu (norwegian) - vindue (danish) - fönster (swedish) - Fenster (german).

        Healthcare: Grand Old Socialist system.

        This might need a small clarification for US readers. It goes something like this:
        Norwegian left <---> Norwegian right <--------------------> Democrats <---> R

        • by causality (777677)

          This might need a small clarification for US readers. It goes something like this:
          Norwegian left Norwegian right Democrats Republicans
          Not communist left in that you got democracy, freedom of speech, pro-choice, gay marriage etc. but economically it's very different than the US.

          There are multiple ways I could interpret that, and I hope I interpreted it correctly. It sounds like your country is free of the abomination that exists in the USA since around the 1930s, which is the partitioning (and thus, d

      • Do unordered lists like that look odd to anyone else? This only happens to me on Slashdot, but whenever anyone uses the UL and LI tags here, it ends up putting annoying greyish bars smack in the middle of the list. It's happened to me when I was the one authoring the post and constructing the list, so I know it's not because of extraneous HTML tags or anything like that. If it happened on any other site I ever visit I'd suspect a rendering problem with Firefox. Now I don't mean this in a bad way, but ju
        • by init100 (915886)

          Do unordered lists like that look odd to anyone else? This only happens to me on Slashdot, but whenever anyone uses the UL and LI tags here, it ends up putting annoying greyish bars smack in the middle of the list.

          It does to me, specifically the gray bars that appear below (on the z-axis) the list items.

      • I've been living in Sweden for 5 years (originally Irish) and am starting to plan a move to Berlin. Any tips on how to handle a move to Germany, or things to be prepared for?

        (I've heard the job situation is not great, but I work in science and find it's generally unaffected as of yet by the economic situation).

        • by orzetto (545509)

          Well, there is not much that can go wrong. Assuming the Swedish system is not too different from the Norwegian, expect increased healthcare costs, since Germany is based on private (and public) insurances; my expenses more than doubled. On the other hand, supposing you are a post-doc, you will pay no taxes.

          More on healthcare: watch out carefully for very convenient offers geared for academicians. I got such an offer for about 50 euros a month, but reading the small print I figured out they do not pay for an

    • by fadir (522518)

      1. Opera is based in Oslo. A couple of Oil&Gas oriented IT companies exist.
      2. Norwegian is very easy to learn if you actually take a little time and do it. But it's not required, especially not for an IT job.
      3. Oslo is one of the most expensive cities in world, but so are the incomes.

      Plus: a socialist government, 44(54) weeks maternity/paternity leave 100%(80%), amazing countryside

      Have a look at wikipedia. If you like to live the "American dream" then you will probably be disappointed. If you life witho

  • Election year (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ost99 (101831) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:00PM (#28442053)

    Don't expect this to be the last word on the matter, the politicians just don't want to rock the boat right now.

    The Minister of culture has openly supported the vigilante tactics of the "pirate-hunters", but this is probably not the right time of the 4-year election cycle to do anything drastic.
    During the last election the same man promised to re-legalese file sharing. The statement was retracted only days after a surprising high turnout of young voters won him and his party the election...

    • by hyfe (641811)

      The Minister of culture has openly supported the vigilante tactics of the "pirate-hunters"

      Yes, but "Trond Giske, 4.0, god som gull", is demonstratebly not the brightest chap. Anything he says without a script should be just plainly disregarded.

      There's a reason he's stuck as minister of culture. He's open, friendly and generally agreeable, so they want him as a visible part of the team, but not doing anything important. If he ever gets an important position, I will consider turning in my citizinship.

  • It's not fair! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Locke2005 (849178) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:27PM (#28442497)
    The most beautiful women in the world, AND they protect pirates!?! Damn, I wish I were Norwegian!
  • Well.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hyfe (641811) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:29PM (#28442539)
    Full disclosure: I'm Norwegian! As somebody who has spent a fair time abroad, I'm growing to like Norway more and more. We're just, well, sensible. The ISP's don't censor, don't log and don't do crappy shit. They all do subscribe to a voluntary kidporn DNS-filter though. I actually downloaded the list of wikileaks once, switched to opendns (whom we all should avoid) and checked it out. I really, really regretted it. There really was childporn there. Anybody getting of on that shit needs to have their dick cut off. Either way, the ISP's are upfront if they're selling internet with usage limits (mainly due to strong Norwegian customer protection, companies aren't allowed to fuck you over), and everything just generally works. Not that that stops most norwegian from bitching about everything though. Bitching is kinda the national past-time. Seriously, I'm a big believer in the "freedom to not be fucked over". I definitivly enjoy not being screwed over, and I really do think more people should subscribe to it :)
    • by Daemonax (1204296)

      Anybody getting of on that shit needs to have their dick cut off.

      That's perhaps a bit harsh. I know a couple of guys that get off over anime drawings of young looking girls. The stuff revolts me, I find it incredibly repulsive... But we talked about why it is that they like younger looking females, and we all agreed that the most plausible explanation (we could think of) was that attraction to younger females was at one point in our evolution quite favourable due to much shorter life spans. If you were going to breed, you did it when you were young. This of course select

    • by ubercam (1025540)

      We're just, well, sensible.

      I'm assuming you mean "we" as in everyone except all those crazy death metal bastards who burn down churches, right? Those guys are SCARY. Fucked up shit happens everywhere... Norway is no exception.

      Full disclosure: I'm Canadian, and I think we're fairly sensible most of the time too, but then you hear about the white supremacist parents drawing swastikas on their kids, the revolving-door youth "justice" system, the bus beheader, the deadbeat drunk who left his young daughters outside to freeze to death in

      • by Kabuthunk (972557)

        In all technicality, the main guy behind the church-burning is Varg Vikernes [wikipedia.org] (recently released from prison), who's band Burzum [wikipedia.org] was more Black Metal or Dark Ambient, not death metal.

    • by RPoet (20693)

      You mention the censorship filter (which even the universities and colleges subscribe to). You didn't mention that fictional writings depicting people described as minors having sex, is illegal. So are drawings of such, and animation. We also just barely escaped legislation against saying or writing criticism against organised religion. Our Prime Minister of many years was an ordained priest, placing us in league with Iran. When a person is born in Norway, he is automatically a member of our protestant stat

    • by init100 (915886)

      I actually downloaded the list of wikileaks once, switched to opendns (whom we all should avoid) and checked it out. I really, really regretted it. There really was childporn there.

      Did you check the entire list? I haven't seen it, but I'd guess that it contains more than just a handful of sites, so checking the entire list could be a pretty hefty job. There is no surprise that the list contains child porn sites, I mean, that's the publicly stated goal of the list. The problem with such a list is that there may be certain sites sneaked into the list by the government, despite having no connection to child porn, simply because the government deems them unfit for general consumption. Sin

  • Yarrrrr... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by petrus4 (213815) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @02:47PM (#28442873) Homepage Journal

    I'm currently sitting here listening to an mp3 of the Symphony of the Seas, from the old album Hooked on Classics, along with mental flashbacks of the scene where the Jolly Roger was raised during Pirates of the Carribean.

    As this article refers to a victory for piracy, it is a good opportunity to issue a collective, impassioned scream of defiance against the very concept of intellectual property; to remind ourselves of who the enemy is, and why they must, and eventually will, be entirely and unrelentingly destroyed.

    WIPO, RIAA, MPAA, and other related organisations, you are recognised as institutions which perpetuate the toxic mentality that making money is, in itself, more important than being alive to spend it. In our ongoing war with you, it is we, the greater public of this planet, who have the will of God on our side. We will have justice. We will have vengeance.

    You are going to be removed from human memory.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by brit74 (831798)
      Those of us who are creators are very alarmed by statements like this. You might as well tell me that I don't deserve to get paid for all the stuff I create - no matter how great it is. Is it really a good idea to undermine the ability of digital creators to even earn a living? Without intellectual property, I end up spending years working on stuff and essentially giving it away to the world - while my mortgage company comes and pounds down my door. Why am I not entitled to a small amount of protection
      • by Mr2001 (90979)

        Without intellectual property, I end up spending years working on stuff and essentially giving it away to the world

        Only if you choose to. No one's forcing you to do any work that you aren't being paid for. If you choose to do that, hoping to get paid later by selling copies, and then it doesn't pan out because people get copies elsewhere, that's as much your fault as it is theirs.

        Why am I not entitled to a small amount of protection in the marketplace, so that I can earn a living from my hard work?

        Because no one else needs "protection" in order to earn a living from their hard work. You can learn to make a living without it just like they do.

      • by selven (1556643)
        Because a monopoly is not the only way to make money from your hard work?
      • Why am I not entitled to a small amount of protection in the marketplace, so that I can earn a living from my hard work?

        Because the rest of us are worse off if you have it.

        I think that's the argument copyright abolitionists should make to have a good case. I want them (us) to have data backing it up. ISTR there being some, but I haven't exactly looked hard.

        Is it really a good idea to undermine the ability of digital creators to even earn a living?

        Red Hat makes money even though CentOS and Fedora exist, giving away essentially the same software. Red Hat gives away software as a driver for support sales.

        I hear musicians make a pittance from RIAA-member (Sony, BMI, Capitol Records, etc.) contracts, and get most of

    • by westlake (615356)

      I'm currently sitting here listening to an mp3 of the Symphony of the Seas, from the old album Hooked on Classics, along with mental flashbacks of the scene where the Jolly Roger was raised during Pirates of the Carribean.

      In other words:

      You are wholly a product of a pop culture in which strong copyright is the norm.

      --- and how typically geek it is that your fantasies of piracy come second-hand from a Disney theme park ride.

      Symphony Of The Seas [amazon.com] 89 cents.

      Hooked on Classics was a series of record albums first

  • by jd2112 (1535857)
    I recommend that the backup alarms be removed from all ambulances in Norway as the lawyers will most likely go back to chasing ambulances...
  • Sounds like Norway's government treats privacy seriously

    I wish my government would. Little did the founding fathers suspect that some day our privacy would be at risk, or it would have been included in the Bill of Rights.

    • Actually, it's more like the government 'promised' that the law would be revised, and clear signals would be sent from the politicians for how monitoring of filesharers should be treated. The Datatilsynet, the department responsible for ensuring people's digital privacy, etc are protected, gave that license under the assumption that the law/policies would be revised soon. It didn't happen. And the Datatilsynet are very strong on protecting people's privacy, and thus they didn't want to be providing the lo
  • >Skapare adds, "Sounds like Norway's government treats privacy seriously.

    Funny, I first read that as "Sounds like Norway's government treats PIRACY seriously". and thought, that's a contradiction.

    Privacy first, piracy second. Suits me.

  • by IrquiM (471313) on Tuesday June 23, 2009 @03:51PM (#28443997) Homepage

    The "pirate chasing"-lawyers got a temporary license in 2006 for doing exactly that while we were waiting for new laws.

    That license is now expiring (This autumn) and they're not getting a new one. Not because they want to protect the privacy of Norwegian citizens, but because temporary is temporary.

    Now, read my last sentence again please.

    (Still though, Norway's a good place to live - can recommend it to everyone!)

    • by RPoet (20693)

      It's worth noting that they're appealing the decision, which means they can keep the license to surveil until Autumn when the appeal can be handled. At the same time, our Minister of Culture and Education (who is as paid-off by copyright mafiaa as America's Orrin Hatch) is pressuring the Norwegian Data Protectorate (which decided to halt the surveillance permit) to change its mind. I don't think this private surveillance is going anywhere, to be honest.

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