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typo in summary (Score:5, Informative)
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No problem, Noone reads the summary.
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Peter Noone, formerly of the band Herman's Hermits, gets blamed for everything. Apparently gives a shit. [encycloped...matica.com]
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Cousin of Anonymous Cowardon.
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Re:typo in summary (Score:5, Funny)
I wish I had mod points. The parent's post is pretty well on topic. My first reaction to the grandparent's post was that "Noone" was an intentional typo, since it was replying to a post about a typo. Now I'm not so sure.
OK, now I'm replying to a post about a typo that was in another post about a typo. I hope my post doesn't have any typos...
I counted 6 including the subject.
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Re:typo in summary (Score:5, Funny)
I always thought that was the name of the guy who built Data. Wasn't it? Dr. Noone Young Sung?
Doctor Noonien Soong
Doctor who?
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Re:typo in summary (Score:5, Informative)
Maybe this is just a case of "Nothing to see here, move along..." until we find out they had some mundane reason they were tardy this month.
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Re:typo in summary (Score:5, Funny)
There's a summary now?
I was making do with the first eight characters of the headlines.
So, in response to "Is IE Us", I'll have to say no. No it isn't.
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You read the tags? I just blindly comment without even reading the post I'm replying to.
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Re:typo in summary (Score:5, Funny)
You read the web page? I just drink a fifth of Jack, bang on the keyboard, and let the moderators sort it out.
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You're putting monkeys out of work!
ivan
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Segment and conquer (Score:5, Funny)
Proliferation of mobile browsers... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Proliferation of mobile browsers... (Score:5, Informative)
My stats only count desktop browsers and I am at 52.4% for all versions of IE. And I don't run a tech-heavy site or anything, I run a site selling Japanese clothes. (http://www.tokyorebel.com)
Firefox 3.0 is at 35.6%, 3.5 is at a surprising 0.6%, but then it's new. (And thank God, because some of my CSS is totally messed up in 3.5.)
Actually now that I'm looking, I do have a stat that says "iPhone" which is at 0.2%.
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Re:Proliferation of mobile browsers... (Score:5, Interesting)
The perception of myself (and finally! lately!) my non-technical friends...
is that using IE
a) has a ton of obnoxious ads- some are loud- some take over the screen.
b) is like walking around with a huge "kick me" sign on.
c) is frustrating because of the lack of many useful plugins (where would I get all these glorious HD Videos-- FINALLY "Blues Travellor" without firefox).
d) is frustrating because "they" own your browser-- not you. It's behavior serves "them", not you.
But mainly the virus/kick me thing.
After my bud clicked on a link (just a frikkin link!) on the yahoo message boards, he had to reinstall his entire computer!?!?!
With Firefox, Flashblock and Noscript- you are pretty darn safe.
Chrome got a lot of press- and to be honest, I've been looking at Safari myself. (once you break yourself of IE, you ask-- okay, but is there something else EVEN better than this?)
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Re:Proliferation of mobile browsers... (Score:5, Informative)
Looking at the data for the same period in previous years, I'm seeing:
2008: 63.26% IE and 31.49% Firefox
2007: 72.85% IE and 23.22% Firefox
2006: 77.60% IE and 17.77% Firefox
That's with 20,000+ visits in each period, so it's more than just noise.
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Re:Proliferation of mobile browsers... (Score:5, Funny)
You host what??
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Re:Proliferation of mobile browsers... (Score:5, Informative)
You could use IETab [mozilla.org] for the sites that still need Internet Explorer. It can be set up so that the tab automatically uses IE for certain websites. The other sites will use FireFox as normal and users won't need to worry about firing up a second web browser. Then, if you update a web application so that it doesn't require IE6, you can remove that site from IETab's list. Users won't need to change their habits at all, but will get the FireFox rendering engine.
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My statistics (Score:4, Informative)
40.91% MSIE 7.0
27.11% MSIE 6.0
14.60% Mozilla/5.0
12.98% MSIE 8.0
Everything else below
Re:My statistics (Score:5, Interesting)
Does your web site not work on Safari or are you reading your statistics wrong?
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Re:My statistics (Score:5, Informative)
Hmm. You do realize that Safari reports itself as Mozilla/5.0, right?
Here's mine:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18
They do this because various websites sniff for various browsers, and they want to show up as much like Mozilla/Gecko as possible. If your user agent parser isn't very smart, it might miss the Safari/530.18 part of that user agent string.
Of course, another possible explanation is that you work for a dental insurance company, for whom the most common users of the website are likely dental receptionists (for submitting claims), followed by people in HR (for signing up for services and looking up services on behalf of employees), both of which groups likely use only Windows machines.
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Re:My statistics (Score:5, Informative)
As others said, forget spoofing.
However, ad blockers break the data collection for most analytics system. So it is likely that Firefox is being underreported, just because the of the popularity of ABP, NoScript, various cookie blockers, and so on.
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No drop off here (Score:5, Informative)
We've seen no major drop off, just a steady and slow decline. We track over 15 million users a day across the sites we manage here in the UK (mainly council properties).
hmm.... it's summer? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:hmm.... it's summer? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:hmm.... it's summer? (Score:5, Informative)
European nations require companies to give employees more paid vacations--4-6 weeks on average. Some companies pretty much shut down during the summer months. In the US, you tend to get your two weeks and that's about it.
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Re:hmm.... it's summer? (Score:5, Funny)
It's OK, we make up for it by being hideously inefficient most of the rest of the time.
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It's because IE 6 support was droped on some sites (Score:5, Informative)
There are a few sites where IE 6.0 displays things badly because the web master stopped kludging for it.
Slashdot.org
some parts of Google.
(Help me here!)
Joe-six paks noticed this and has found out that he has options...
Re:It's because IE 6 support was droped on some si (Score:5, Funny)
In fairness, Slashdot displays things badly in Firefox 3.0. And Safari. And Opera. And Chrome. And probably Mosaic if you gave it a spin.
Please, just give me back the old site.
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Re:It's because IE 6 support was droped on some si (Score:5, Funny)
If you ignore the five screens of Javascript at the top of each page, Slashdot is actually more usable in Mosaic than it is in other browsers.
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Looking from multiple angles (Score:5, Informative)
If you look at the longterm trends reported by Net Applcations, something that StatCounter doesn't offer, it's hard to conclude that anything dramatic has just happened.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/06/historical_view.html
These longer trends are steady and smooth and there's nothing that's happened in the last couple of months that would cause IE to fall off the cliff.
That being said, there is a lot of churn in the various browser versions. IE is really a collection of browsers with measurable share, IE 6, IE 7, and IE 8. Looking at these versions, it's clear that a lot is happening.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/07/a_browser_prediction.html
It's likely that IE 7 and IE 6 will fall to under 10% global share by the end of this year and that IE 8 will grow to approximately 40%. That would give IE 60% overall, Firefox about 25%, Safari about 10%, and "other" would hold the remaining 5%.
Skeptical (Score:4, Insightful)
So it will probably be healthy to remain skeptical until trend this is confirmed by other organizations.
Especially after all the breathless "Firefox is taking over" stories on Slashdot, submitted by fanboys every time there's a spike in downloads (like after a release!) or the browser's market share gains a tiny fraction of a percent.
Mind you, I'm really glad to see that we're finally getting some serious competition in the browser marketplace. But before you congratulate yourselves too much, send a psychic "Thanks for Shooting Yourselves in the Foot!" to Steve and Bill. Firefox, Safari, Chrome and Opera all have real advantages, but none of these would have overcome IE's big advantage: being the default browser on the desktop OS that owns 90% of its market. The only thing that could have overcome that advantage is not the advantages of the competition, but the extreme crappiness of IE itself.
Please let this be true! (Score:5, Informative)
Not only would this change be welcome, but it would force Microsoft to "play ball" with the standards for HTML rather than roll their own and mark all the bug reports "will not fix".
Take a look at the history:
1) Microsoft is all about selling stuff on CD-ROM with the marketing vision "Information at your fingertips".
2) The Internet happens, and overnight, Netscape is a raving success because it actually PUT information at your fingertips.
3) Billy boy issues a memo to the whole company to turn as fast as possible to support the Internetz.
4) IE comes out - first a sucktacular mess, and finally almost livable around IE 5 or so.
5) IE 6 comes out, Netscape crumbles.
6) Netscape goes underground at AOL who throws a few developers at it while using it to negotiate a link on the Desktop. IE Dominates so tremendously that it's the platform of choice simply because it's installed everywhere.
7) Microsoft stops doing anything for half a decade. (whistle whistle)
8) Navigator continuously improves, finally re-emerging as Phoenix/Firefox. Suddenly, Microsoft's browser looks like a 5-year-old pile of cruft that's difficult to program for.
Suddenly, Microsoft will give a shiat. They might finally fix the things that developers!developers!developers! have been whining, bitching, complaining, and screaming about all these years.
Irony: "Free Internet Exporer 8" ad at the top while I type this message!
~20% here, and still in decline (Score:5, Informative)
That's for a major Polish website devoted to a popular, long-running game series. The userbase is indeed a little more tech-conscious than the average Internet user around here, but not by much - just a few power gamers and techies, lots of "casuals". Nevertheless, IE was at ~70% in 2004, ~50% in 2005 and so on down to ~25% in the late 2008 and ~20% now. Right now it's kind of stabilizing (but still falling) and I don't forsee it falling below 15% anytime soon, but I'm starting to suspect that by the end of the year, Opera might overtake it (16% and rising, mostly ex-Firefox users right now).
We're not actively doing anything anti-IE or pro-FF/Opera (well, maybe except that IE is getting all the CSS/JS bugfixes lats, but that's *because* it's so low in the stats - we can afford letting the IE support lag behind), so it's mostly an outside trend, I think.
All the statistics I'm basing this post on were generated by Google Analytics, by the way.
w3schools doesn't show anything (Score:5, Informative)
W3 Schools [w3schools.com] which has an admitted alternate-browser bias does not show any sort of abrupt drop-off for IE, and if anywhere were going to, I would think it would be this site. In fact, it shows Firefox dropping for the first time since September of last year (when Chrome was initially released), but only half a percentage point. IE7 is losing ground to IE8 rather quickly, but IE6 actually gained a half a percentage point since May. Chrome is also up another half a point, and nothing else really had enough movement to be worth mentioning (Safari up a tenth, Opera down a tenth).
Slashdot browser shares?? (Score:5, Interesting)
What I really would like to see is the browser share of the Slashdot logs.
Re:Slashdot browser shares?? (Score:5, Funny)
Firefox: 13.45%
Safari: 4.23%
Chrome: 6.97%
Lynx: 22.43%
Self-created web browser: 23.12%
No browser - reading HTML directly: 14.22%
No browser - interpreting modem signals directly: 15.21%
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It's the economy, stupid! (Score:5, Insightful)
The drop in IE use is probably inversely proportional to the rise in unemployment.
With millions of people being laid off work, they are surfing at home and using sensible browsers.
Only people surfing at work get stuck using IE. My current gig is still using IE6!
Re:In utter disarray? (Score:5, Funny)
Did it loose 73% of its core developer?
I dunno, but what I'm interested in is what they did with the other 27% of him.
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Re:In utter disarray? (Score:5, Funny)
There's no difference. None of them come while you are awake.
Zing!
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Re:It was to be expected (Score:5, Insightful)
It always takes a while to educate the whole population with regards to technical stuff, after a while, it becomes public knowledge although ;-)))
The tough part isn't making it public knowledge, the difficulty is in making it common knowledge.
To compare this to more sinister things: Notice of your house being demolished on Tuesday can be put up in a dark cellar with no stairs at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory of the planning office guarded by a Leopard. This is public knowledge.
Making a news cast on the fact a new road is being run through your neighbourhood and personally notifying everyone whose house will be demolished is much more difficult. This is common knowlege.
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Re:It was to be expected (Score:5, Interesting)
What I noticed is a dramatic shift in the listening to your IT guy lately.
People actually listen now instead of blowing me off and going right back to their porn surfing with IE.
The bad economy makes people actually listen when the IT guy says "I'll be back in 30 days to collect another $250.00 if you dont change your internet habits."
I love a bad economy, it forces people to be less stupid.
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Re:It was to be expected (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, I'm rabidly pro-F/L/OSS [wikipedia.org], and nudge "ordinary" people towards it wherever I can, but I think it's a bit of a simplification to describe it as purely technically superior. When it does push the envelope, it normally drives the commercial world to react and improve, so they're usually roughly level-pegging at the feature level.
Where it really shines, I think, is in harder-to-define areas. Ethics, for one. Architectural taste, for another (debian got package management right 10 - 15 years ago - has windows caught up yet?) Social/organizational factors - the maintenance and repository models used by open OS distributions works so well that the commercial world is mimicking it with "app stores." Lastly, of course, there's motivation - I trust Ubuntu and Mozilla to fix security holes because it's the Right Thing and because they want to do a good job, and not just because they're scared of getting caught out, which I always feel is the mindset in the commercial world.
I understand these things are probably harder to explain to the general public, but can we at least be a bit more honest / precise amongst ourselves?
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