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Comments: 575 +-   Is IE Usage Share Collapsing? on Tuesday July 07, @04:03PM

Posted by kdawson on Tuesday July 07, @04:03PM
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je ne sais quoi writes "Net Applications normally releases its statistics for browser and operating system usage share on the first of every month. This month, however, the data has not shown up — only a cryptic message stating they are reviewing the data for inexplicable statistical variations and that it will be available soon. Larry Dignan at ZDNet has a blog post that might explain what is happening: Statcounter has released some data that shows a precipitous drop in IE browser use in North America, to the benefit of Firefox, Safari, and Chrome. At the end of May, StatCounter shows IE usage share (for versions 6, 7, and 8 combined) at around 64%; at the beginning of June it is now about 56% — an astounding 8% drop in one month. We should keep in mind the difficulties in estimating browser usage share: this could very well be a change in how browsers report themselves, or some other statistical anomaly. So it will probably be healthy to remain skeptical until trend this is confirmed by other organizations. Have any of you seen drops in IE usage share for Web-sites you administer?"
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  • typo in summary (Score:5, Informative)

    by je ne sais quoi (987177) on Tuesday July 07, @04:04PM (#28613949)
    Hi there, submitter here. I left a typographical error in the summary. "in the beginning of June" should read "in the beginning of July". Oops, sorry about that.
  • by MadFarmAnimalz (460972) * on Tuesday July 07, @04:06PM (#28613975) Homepage
    More interestingly, you can really see that the new key markets strategy the Spread Firefox campaign has kicked off is really paying off [statcounter.com].
  • by seramar (655396) on Tuesday July 07, @04:06PM (#28613977) Homepage
    ...could explain this, at least partially. All things combined and considered I am not suprised that IE is accounting for only 56% of browsers reported. Were we limited to desktop only, that might be different.
    • My stats only count desktop browsers and I am at 52.4% for all versions of IE. And I don't run a tech-heavy site or anything, I run a site selling Japanese clothes. (http://www.tokyorebel.com)

      Firefox 3.0 is at 35.6%, 3.5 is at a surprising 0.6%, but then it's new. (And thank God, because some of my CSS is totally messed up in 3.5.)

      Actually now that I'm looking, I do have a stat that says "iPhone" which is at 0.2%.

      • by Maxo-Texas (864189) on Tuesday July 07, @04:29PM (#28614341)

        The perception of myself (and finally! lately!) my non-technical friends...

        is that using IE
        a) has a ton of obnoxious ads- some are loud- some take over the screen.
        b) is like walking around with a huge "kick me" sign on.
        c) is frustrating because of the lack of many useful plugins (where would I get all these glorious HD Videos-- FINALLY "Blues Travellor" without firefox).
        d) is frustrating because "they" own your browser-- not you. It's behavior serves "them", not you.

        But mainly the virus/kick me thing.

        After my bud clicked on a link (just a frikkin link!) on the yahoo message boards, he had to reinstall his entire computer!?!?!

        With Firefox, Flashblock and Noscript- you are pretty darn safe.

        Chrome got a lot of press- and to be honest, I've been looking at Safari myself. (once you break yourself of IE, you ask-- okay, but is there something else EVEN better than this?)

      • You think that's something? I host a SpongeBob fansite, and even it has 40.38% for Firefox and 47.90% for IE from June 6th to July 6th.

        Looking at the data for the same period in previous years, I'm seeing:
        2008: 63.26% IE and 31.49% Firefox
        2007: 72.85% IE and 23.22% Firefox
        2006: 77.60% IE and 17.77% Firefox

        That's with 20,000+ visits in each period, so it's more than just noise.
        • You could use IETab [mozilla.org] for the sites that still need Internet Explorer. It can be set up so that the tab automatically uses IE for certain websites. The other sites will use FireFox as normal and users won't need to worry about firing up a second web browser. Then, if you update a web application so that it doesn't require IE6, you can remove that site from IETab's list. Users won't need to change their habits at all, but will get the FireFox rendering engine.

  • My statistics (Score:4, Informative)

    by GoNINzo (32266) <GoNINzo.yahoo@com> on Tuesday July 07, @04:11PM (#28614055) Homepage Journal
    I run a somewhat largish non-technology site, and I saw yesterday:
    40.91% MSIE 7.0
    27.11% MSIE 6.0
    14.60% Mozilla/5.0
    12.98% MSIE 8.0

    Everything else below .1%. So that's 81% MSIE, 14.6% Mozilla, and everything else in the remaining 4.4%.
    • Re:My statistics (Score:5, Interesting)

      by panaceaa (205396) on Tuesday July 07, @04:14PM (#28614131) Homepage Journal

      Does your web site not work on Safari or are you reading your statistics wrong?

        • Re:My statistics (Score:5, Informative)

          by annodomini (544503) <lambda2000@yahoo.com> on Tuesday July 07, @11:44PM (#28617919) Homepage

          Hmm. You do realize that Safari reports itself as Mozilla/5.0, right?

          Here's mine:

          Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18

          They do this because various websites sniff for various browsers, and they want to show up as much like Mozilla/Gecko as possible. If your user agent parser isn't very smart, it might miss the Safari/530.18 part of that user agent string.

          Of course, another possible explanation is that you work for a dental insurance company, for whom the most common users of the website are likely dental receptionists (for submitting claims), followed by people in HR (for signing up for services and looking up services on behalf of employees), both of which groups likely use only Windows machines.

      • Re:My statistics (Score:5, Informative)

        by IntlHarvester (11985) * on Tuesday July 07, @04:55PM (#28614717) Journal

        As others said, forget spoofing.

        However, ad blockers break the data collection for most analytics system. So it is likely that Firefox is being underreported, just because the of the popularity of ABP, NoScript, various cookie blockers, and so on.

  • No drop off here (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07, @04:11PM (#28614057)

    We've seen no major drop off, just a steady and slow decline. We track over 15 million users a day across the sites we manage here in the UK (mainly council properties).

  • by timtux (1203162) on Tuesday July 07, @04:12PM (#28614089)
    Couldn't it just be that all the geeks are running firefox/opera/chrome and everyone else is outside in the nice weather?
  • There are a few sites where IE 6.0 displays things badly because the web master stopped kludging for it.

    Slashdot.org
    some parts of Google.
    (Help me here!)

    Joe-six paks noticed this and has found out that he has options...

  • by asa (33102) <asa@mozilla.com> on Tuesday July 07, @04:13PM (#28614123) Homepage

    If you look at the longterm trends reported by Net Applcations, something that StatCounter doesn't offer, it's hard to conclude that anything dramatic has just happened.

    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/06/historical_view.html

    These longer trends are steady and smooth and there's nothing that's happened in the last couple of months that would cause IE to fall off the cliff.

    That being said, there is a lot of churn in the various browser versions. IE is really a collection of browsers with measurable share, IE 6, IE 7, and IE 8. Looking at these versions, it's clear that a lot is happening.

    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/07/a_browser_prediction.html

    It's likely that IE 7 and IE 6 will fall to under 10% global share by the end of this year and that IE 8 will grow to approximately 40%. That would give IE 60% overall, Firefox about 25%, Safari about 10%, and "other" would hold the remaining 5%.

  • Skeptical (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fm6 (162816) on Tuesday July 07, @04:14PM (#28614127) Homepage Journal

    So it will probably be healthy to remain skeptical until trend this is confirmed by other organizations.

    Especially after all the breathless "Firefox is taking over" stories on Slashdot, submitted by fanboys every time there's a spike in downloads (like after a release!) or the browser's market share gains a tiny fraction of a percent.

    Mind you, I'm really glad to see that we're finally getting some serious competition in the browser marketplace. But before you congratulate yourselves too much, send a psychic "Thanks for Shooting Yourselves in the Foot!" to Steve and Bill. Firefox, Safari, Chrome and Opera all have real advantages, but none of these would have overcome IE's big advantage: being the default browser on the desktop OS that owns 90% of its market. The only thing that could have overcome that advantage is not the advantages of the competition, but the extreme crappiness of IE itself.

  • by mcrbids (148650) on Tuesday July 07, @04:21PM (#28614231) Journal

    Not only would this change be welcome, but it would force Microsoft to "play ball" with the standards for HTML rather than roll their own and mark all the bug reports "will not fix".

    Take a look at the history:

    1) Microsoft is all about selling stuff on CD-ROM with the marketing vision "Information at your fingertips".

    2) The Internet happens, and overnight, Netscape is a raving success because it actually PUT information at your fingertips.

    3) Billy boy issues a memo to the whole company to turn as fast as possible to support the Internetz.

    4) IE comes out - first a sucktacular mess, and finally almost livable around IE 5 or so.

    5) IE 6 comes out, Netscape crumbles.

    6) Netscape goes underground at AOL who throws a few developers at it while using it to negotiate a link on the Desktop. IE Dominates so tremendously that it's the platform of choice simply because it's installed everywhere.

    7) Microsoft stops doing anything for half a decade. (whistle whistle)

    8) Navigator continuously improves, finally re-emerging as Phoenix/Firefox. Suddenly, Microsoft's browser looks like a 5-year-old pile of cruft that's difficult to program for.

    Suddenly, Microsoft will give a shiat. They might finally fix the things that developers!developers!developers! have been whining, bitching, complaining, and screaming about all these years.

    Irony: "Free Internet Exporer 8" ad at the top while I type this message!

  • by Enleth (947766) <enleth@enleth.com> on Tuesday July 07, @04:32PM (#28614393) Homepage

    That's for a major Polish website devoted to a popular, long-running game series. The userbase is indeed a little more tech-conscious than the average Internet user around here, but not by much - just a few power gamers and techies, lots of "casuals". Nevertheless, IE was at ~70% in 2004, ~50% in 2005 and so on down to ~25% in the late 2008 and ~20% now. Right now it's kind of stabilizing (but still falling) and I don't forsee it falling below 15% anytime soon, but I'm starting to suspect that by the end of the year, Opera might overtake it (16% and rising, mostly ex-Firefox users right now).

    We're not actively doing anything anti-IE or pro-FF/Opera (well, maybe except that IE is getting all the CSS/JS bugfixes lats, but that's *because* it's so low in the stats - we can afford letting the IE support lag behind), so it's mostly an outside trend, I think.

    All the statistics I'm basing this post on were generated by Google Analytics, by the way.

  • by Xtifr (1323) on Tuesday July 07, @04:42PM (#28614535) Homepage

    W3 Schools [w3schools.com] which has an admitted alternate-browser bias does not show any sort of abrupt drop-off for IE, and if anywhere were going to, I would think it would be this site. In fact, it shows Firefox dropping for the first time since September of last year (when Chrome was initially released), but only half a percentage point. IE7 is losing ground to IE8 rather quickly, but IE6 actually gained a half a percentage point since May. Chrome is also up another half a point, and nothing else really had enough movement to be worth mentioning (Safari up a tenth, Opera down a tenth).

  • by BlackCreek (1004083) on Tuesday July 07, @04:52PM (#28614663)

    What I really would like to see is the browser share of the Slashdot logs.

    • by selven (1556643) on Tuesday July 07, @05:41PM (#28615241)
      Internet Explorer: 0.37%
      Firefox: 13.45%
      Safari: 4.23%
      Chrome: 6.97%
      Lynx: 22.43%
      Self-created web browser: 23.12%
      No browser - reading HTML directly: 14.22%
      No browser - interpreting modem signals directly: 15.21%
  • by number6x (626555) on Tuesday July 07, @09:18PM (#28616953)

    The drop in IE use is probably inversely proportional to the rise in unemployment.

    With millions of people being laid off work, they are surfing at home and using sensible browsers.

    Only people surfing at work get stuck using IE. My current gig is still using IE6!

    • by Swizec (978239) on Tuesday July 07, @04:17PM (#28614183) Homepage

      It always takes a while to educate the whole population with regards to technical stuff, after a while, it becomes public knowledge although ;-)))

      The tough part isn't making it public knowledge, the difficulty is in making it common knowledge.

      To compare this to more sinister things: Notice of your house being demolished on Tuesday can be put up in a dark cellar with no stairs at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory of the planning office guarded by a Leopard. This is public knowledge.

      Making a news cast on the fact a new road is being run through your neighbourhood and personally notifying everyone whose house will be demolished is much more difficult. This is common knowlege.

    • by Lumpy (12016) on Tuesday July 07, @04:18PM (#28614207) Homepage

      What I noticed is a dramatic shift in the listening to your IT guy lately.

      People actually listen now instead of blowing me off and going right back to their porn surfing with IE.

      The bad economy makes people actually listen when the IT guy says "I'll be back in 30 days to collect another $250.00 if you dont change your internet habits."

      I love a bad economy, it forces people to be less stupid.

    • by stevied (169) * on Tuesday July 07, @04:29PM (#28614345)
      At the risk of being slightly controversial .. how much of the difference between commercial and OSS really is technical?

      Don't get me wrong, I'm rabidly pro-F/L/OSS [wikipedia.org], and nudge "ordinary" people towards it wherever I can, but I think it's a bit of a simplification to describe it as purely technically superior. When it does push the envelope, it normally drives the commercial world to react and improve, so they're usually roughly level-pegging at the feature level.

      Where it really shines, I think, is in harder-to-define areas. Ethics, for one. Architectural taste, for another (debian got package management right 10 - 15 years ago - has windows caught up yet?) Social/organizational factors - the maintenance and repository models used by open OS distributions works so well that the commercial world is mimicking it with "app stores." Lastly, of course, there's motivation - I trust Ubuntu and Mozilla to fix security holes because it's the Right Thing and because they want to do a good job, and not just because they're scared of getting caught out, which I always feel is the mindset in the commercial world.

      I understand these things are probably harder to explain to the general public, but can we at least be a bit more honest / precise amongst ourselves?
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