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Verizon Blocking 4chan 677

Posted by ScuttleMonkey
from the and-nothing-of-value-was-lost dept.
An anonymous reader writes "According to 4chan's owner and administrator 'moot,' Verizon has explicitly blocked all traffic on their network from boards.4chan.org, where all of 4chan's boards are located. Moot explains that only traffic to and from port 80 is being dropped and they were able to confirm that it was intentional. 4chan's downtime for Verizon users has been in effect for at least 72 hours since Saturday, February 7."
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Verizon Blocking 4chan

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  • by Q-Hack! (37846) * on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:49PM (#31064682)

    Rules #5, #6, and #7 [encycloped...matica.com]

    Verizon, you are doomed. Pissing off 4chan is probably the worst thing you can do on the Internet.

    • by the roAm (827323) on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:55PM (#31064786)

      Oh yes, Verizon is sooo screwed, one of the largest ISPs in the world might get DDoSed by a hundred retarded people who will actually have the knowhow to DDoS, while thousands of others will wind up downloading trojans that spam 4chan.

      • by Khyber (864651) <techkitsune@gmail.com> on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:59PM (#31064838) Homepage Journal

        Actually, Verizon is screwed. If they wish to maintain certain legal status they'll unblock 4chan and fast. Otherwise they'll become liable for any copyright infringement going on their network because they're showing that they are actively monitoring and controlling data, instead of acting as a neutral data routing service.

        • by AndersOSU (873247) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:03PM (#31064910)

          for about the 500th time, ISPs are not, and do not want to be common carriers.

          The DMCA safe harbor provision is completely different from common carrier protection and applies regardless of whether the content host monitors their content or not.

          • by sanosuke001 (640243) on Monday February 08, 2010 @05:03PM (#31065908)
            Regardless of his poor understanding of US law; ISP's should be considered common carriers whether they want to or not. ISP's should not be in the business of censoring anything.
        • by sys.stdout.write (1551563) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:12PM (#31065048)

          they'll become liable for any copyright infringement going on their network because they're showing that they are actively monitoring and controlling data, instead of acting as a neutral data routing service

          Some people simply say that they are not a lawyer, rather than feeling the need to prove it dramatically.

        • by LoSt180 (1481103) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:43PM (#31065592)
          Looks like Verizon responded pretty fast via twitter: @Verizon Verizon PolicyBlog Post: 4Chan Not "Blocked" -- Protecting Our Customers & Our Network http://policyblog.verizon.com/BlogPost/697/ProtectingOurCustomersandOurNetwork.aspx [verizon.com]
    • by matzahboy (1656011) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:01PM (#31064890)

      Pissing off 4chan is probably the worst thing you can do on the Internet.

      I disagree: http://xkcd.com/591/ [xkcd.com]

    • by e2d2 (115622) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:16PM (#31065118)

      4chan is a bunch of bitches compared to Verizon. One has an army of juveniles the other has an army of congressmen. Which one do you think will win?

      Sure the juveniles have anonymity and a mob willing to play unfair, but what are they gonna do? Attack Verizon? That happens everyday. Boycott them? Get in line. Complain? No solution there.

      Looks like 4chan is shit out of luck. They need to convince people they are obeying the law or else they'll just keep getting nailed and it will get worse. Having pedo-porn posted on your site every single day is not a freedom of speech issue.

    • by Trifthen (40989) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:35PM (#31065424) Homepage

      You are bound to get replies that basically amount to "What can Anonymous possibly do to freaking Verizon?!"

      They have no idea what they've done. 4chan isn't your average bastion of internet malcontents. DDOS? Please. Kevin Mitnick could be called a precursor, and we know with the Scientology war, they're more than willing to hack meatspace. If 4chan as a group takes issue with this, everyone down to the CEO of Verizon will be essentially fair game for various levels of harassment. They'll have the address and private phone number of anyone who matters within days, and they, probably more than anyone, know how to abuse such information.

      I really, really don't envy Verizon right now. This of course hinges on whether or not 4chan will actually care, and that's anybody's guess. It's not a good precedent, though.

    • by morgauxo (974071) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:50PM (#31065686)
      Yeah, I know. Look what happened to Scientology! It was totally destroyed. Take that Verizon!
    • by jtownatpunk.net (245670) on Monday February 08, 2010 @05:59PM (#31066658)

      It's not that they've pissed of 4chan. They've pissed off ME. And I don't know what 4chan is beyond a reputation that it's supposedly more childish than fark and slashdot combined. All I know is Verizon's decided I'm not allowed to view a site that doesn't appear to be breaking any laws.

      And if that wasn't bad enough, customer service is pushing it under the rug. I just spent 20 of the stupidest minutes on the phone with Verizon listening to some smarmy shit apologize that I mistakenly perceived that I was being blocked. This is clearly a device issue as he can access boards dot 4chan dot org on two devices with no trouble at all. But he wouldn't even consider opening a ticket until I'd gone through every troubleshooting step in the book. Including a HARD RESET. (For those who aren't familiar with the lingo, that's the one where you reset the device to factory fresh.) Only then would he have opened a ticket. And the whole time, he's insisting that Verizon isn't blocking the site, saying I shouldn't trust blogs. Nevermind the fact that Verizon has admitted that they're blocking traffic and plan to lift the block tonight. After playing along with his bullshit for 20 minutes, I just couldn't stay on the phone any longer without calling him a lying sack of shit so I hung up.

      Which, of course, is exactly what Verizon wants. They didn't have to open a ticket documenting a problem. My call just got logged as an uncooperative customer who refused to complete the troubleshooting process.

      The worst part is they could have had the same effect if they'd just said, "We apologize for the inconvenience. Some of 4chan's affiliates were staging network attacks and we chose to block traffic from that site until the problem was resolved. There have been no attacks coming from that network today so we're going to restore access this evening." That's it. A simple statement that tells the customer what is going on, doesn't require opening a ticket, and ends with a happy customer. Perhaps even grateful. Or at least one who isn't pissed off.

      Oh, and the best part of the call came a couple minutes after I hung up. "FREE VZW MSG-DO NOT REPLY:Start > Settings > All Settings > System tab > Memory > Clear Storage tab Enter 1234, tap OK in upper right of screen Display: Confirm"

      Yep, that text message popped up on my phone shortly after I hung up on the tech. WinMo folks should recognize the Hard Reset instructions. I don't suggest you follow those instructions as it will wipe your WinMo phone clean. No explanation or warning came with that message. I assume he sent it for the lolz, hoping I'd follow the instructions blindly.

      BTW, if you call Verizon's Network Repair Bureau at (866) 298-5373 as advised by 4chan, they won't do anything for you unless you have a ticket which you must get by calling Customer Care at 800-922-0204. Of course, it'll take you a good half hour of bullshit (and hard-resetting your phone!) to get a ticket assigned. But I suggest every Verizon customer who gives a shit about censorship should call anyway and let them know how you feel about censorship.

  • Fraud? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:52PM (#31064740)

    So Verizon sold me internet service. Implicit in that is service to all internet hosts.

    Has Verizon criminally defrauded me?

  • by jonadab (583620) on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:53PM (#31064754) Homepage Journal
    Obviously, Verizon is trying to provide better service for their customers.
  • by Daimanta (1140543) on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:53PM (#31064764) Journal

    On hand hand this is malignant censorship, the forebode to a society with no free information. On the other hand, this is 4chan.....

  • rebellion? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lord Ender (156273) on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:53PM (#31064766) Homepage

    Didn't some kid just get three years in jail for participating in an anti-Scientology DoS attack which was organized on 4chan?

    Will that be enough to keep the users in line?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:55PM (#31064792)

    I was able to connect to boards.4chan.org from a Verizon FiOS connection.

    Sadly, it seems that I have contracted Syphilis.

  • Misleading Summary (Score:5, Informative)

    by twidarkling (1537077) on Monday February 08, 2010 @03:59PM (#31064844)

    Moot himself said on the 4chan status blog that it's only Verizon Wireless from what they can tell.

    It should be interesting to see the fallout from this. 4channers aren't exactly the paragon of maturity.

  • Bad summary (Score:4, Informative)

    by Alcimedes (398213) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:00PM (#31064858)

    Granted it's /. so I don't expect anything else.

    The block is only in place for Verizon Wireless traffic, not all of Verizon's traffic.

  • by ZankerH (1401751) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:08PM (#31065002)
    "VERIZON YUO HAVE MADE POWERFULL ENIMEY
    ANONIMOUSE IS LEEGON"

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like yelling. Filter error:
  • by caladine (1290184) on Monday February 08, 2010 @04:23PM (#31065234)
    andnothingofvaluewaslost
  • 4chan is the mindless id, verizon is the superego of executive function control. the superego attempts to suppress the id. but it will just comes out anyways, in some subconscious way, it always does. you can't kill something 4chan, it's immortal and undead. the mindless id always finds a way

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