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Looking At Google's Flashified Chrome 385

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An anonymous reader writes "Google quietly released a new beta version of its Chrome browser, which not only blows its rivals out of the water as far as performance is concerned, but comes with half a dozen new features, including direct integration of Adobe Flash. First benchmarks show that the new beta is about 10% faster than the previous beta in the SunSpider and V8 benchmark, and about 30% faster than Chrome 4, which remains the fastest JavaScript browser available today."
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Looking At Google's Flashified Chrome

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  • by Bearhouse (1034238) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:17AM (#32097722)

    When will it be available for my iPhone & iPad?

    • by V!NCENT (1105021)

      It ships with Flash, but Flash will never become available for you iPod/iPhone/iPad... ever. Forget it...

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Bearhouse (1034238)

      Sense of humour failure, mods?
      More seriously, I'm sure that this is one of many ways that Google will use to drive adoption of Android & Chrome/web-interface.
      You wanna Flash? We havva Flash! And all the funny Flash videos you can eat!!
      Until they're big enough to 'fuck off' Adobe, that is, just like MSFT & Apple are trying to do.
      Of course, the hope is that the 'not evil' boys will achieve this with open, standards-based stuff instead of, for example, Silverlight.

    • As soon as you install Android to it: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/22/1222221/Android-Ported-To-iPhone [slashdot.org]
    • by Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @12:37PM (#32100216)
      I don't understand exactly how all this hangs together, but since Adobe open-sourced [adobe.com] the Tamarin [mozilla.org] VM, would it be possible for Flash to instead use Chromes V8 engine [google.com]? And if so, then Flash would benefit from performance improvements courtesy of Google.

      And... (and this is the biggie)... since Apple have already allowed Opera with it's own JavaScript engine**, and Apple already include their own JS engine, what excuse could they give not to allow Chrome+Flash on iPhone|iPad|iPod?

      It's clear [to me anyway] that Google are including Flash not to piss Apple off, but to (1). ensure stability of Chrome Browser and by extension, Android and ChromeOS, and (2). to make it easier for OEMs to include Android/ChromeOS as well as Flash and have everything manage updates automatically.

      Since Google is doing all the leg-work to make Flash fast and stable, this would seem to address all of Steve Jobs'es issues with Flash.

      I predict fun interesting times ahead! :D

      **except... as I'm writing this, I've just remembered that Opera on iPhone is Opera Mini, and I'm not 100% sure that does include any JS engine?
      • would it be possible for Flash to instead use Chromes V8 engine [google.com]?

        Most likely not. It would be possible for Chrome to instead use Tamarin, if it really wanted, but v8 itself is very Javascript-specific at the moment. ActionScript is a superset of that, so it might be possible, but it'd take a lot of work.

        what excuse could they give not to allow Chrome+Flash on iPhone|iPad|iPod?

        Whatever excuse they want.

        This is what people don't understand about iPhone/iPad/iPod -- it's not up to you. It's entirely up to Apple whether or not they're consistent or fair, and so far, they've been neither.

        And yet, people keep simultaneously buying these things and whining that they can't do stuff. It's like buying fertilizer and complaining that it's shit.

        Since Google is doing all the leg-work to make Flash fast and stable,

        What? No, Google is doing the leg-work to make Flash contained. It's still going to be dog-slow, unstable, and evil, but at least it'll be more secure and won't lock up or crash your browser, just itself.

        If you want a fast, stable Flash, petition Adobe to open it up. That, or accept that the fastest, stablest Flash ever is not Flash, but HTML5.

  • So much flakiness in the WebKit support of CSS multi-column layout... don't even know where to begin. Firefox is much farther ahead in this case.

    Eventually DIVs are going to have to go away completely, so that all HTML is semantic.

  • by elrous0 (869638) * on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:21AM (#32097782)
    Is it a sin if I download this? I mean a lot of Catholics use birth control, right? So will I be excommunicated from the Apple store for this? Will I be forced to commune with infidel Windows users? I'm conflicted here.
  • Can it display PDFs? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by swillden (191260) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:26AM (#32097854) Homepage Journal
    This is the one thing that prevents me from using Chrome regularly, at least on my desktop machine (64-but Ubuntu 9.10). I haven't looked into the reasons why, but FF will display PDFs using the browser plugin provided by acroread, and Chrome just gives me a blank page.
    • by blind biker (1066130) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:40AM (#32098054) Journal

      PDFs displayed inside the browser window is a bug more than a feature. Almost 100% of the time, this causes problems, of all kinds. Whenever I install a browser, or get a new company computer/laptop, I disable PDF display in the browser window.

      • by plover (150551) *

        I use PDF Download to solve that problem under Firefox. But with Chrome, each browser tab is an independent process. Load up something in a tab (such as a PDF) and it's borked? Close the tab, problem solved. Doesn't seem like it would be a big issue for Chrome.

      • by swillden (191260)

        PDFs displayed inside the browser window is a bug more than a feature. Almost 100% of the time, this causes problems, of all kinds.

        I don't have any problems with it.

        And a couple of the banks I do business with make it very hard to get a downloadable PDF. It's nearly impossible to look at my statements with Chrome.

      • by P-Nuts (592605)

        Yes, but while I like the PDFs to open in a separate window, I don't like being left with a pointless tab showing a blank page, which seems to happen quite often (but not all the time) on Chrome.

      • Blame Acrobat. (Score:4, Informative)

        by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @01:14PM (#32100970) Journal

        PDF itself is an open format, perfectly capable of being displayed efficiently and safely. What's the problem with putting it in a browser Window?

        Remember, GP was talking about Linux. While we could use acroread, there's also things like Okular, which opens nearly instantaneously to display PDFs. On OS X, there's Preview -- same situation. Both display PDFs at least as accurately as Acrobat.

      • by moosesocks (264553) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @02:26PM (#32102356) Homepage

        Is this because of specific gripes you have with existing PDF plugins, or on a more general level?

        Although I despise Adobe Reader, I find Safari's PDF implementation to be quite good on Macs (although this could be because OSX's treatment of PDF in general is top-notch, lightning-fast, and very deeply integrated into the windowing system)

        You can also get similar functionality [google.com] for Firefox on mac.

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      I have the same problem with chromium, I don't know what the deal is. Even mozplugger doesn't fix it (and chrome/chromium will use mozilla plugins automagically these days. and they often work — flash does.)

      mostly I try to quick view PDFs these days, but that's even worse than downloading the PDF if you have poor bandwidth.

    • by Jugalator (259273)

      I suggest using a Google Chrome extension to let Google Docs parse the PDF and display it inline.

      Yes, you'll lose some PDF features, but often it's good enough, and it's a much more stable method than using PDF Reader online.

      The extension:

      https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/nnbmlagghjjcbdhgmkedmbmedengocbn [google.com]

  • Chrome has long been one of the browsers with worse Flash integration. Right-click flash menu refusing to disappear, very slow Flash plugin startup, high resource usage, Chrome starting and running Flash at full priority in background pages.

    I don't see any of these resolved. So far all that has materialized from the "advanced integration" is the bundling.

  • previously plugins were not sandboxed, meaning that both regular and incognitos windows using flash shared the same flash cookies and cache. is this fixed with integrated flash?
  • Yah, yah, great product. But what information is Google collecting as you browse?
  • by Daetrin (576516) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:37AM (#32098010)
    I haven't had much of a chance to play around with it, but it looks like it still suffers from all of the "problems" (ie things i don't like) that i've complained about before [slashdot.org].

    In particular, it's still lacking a lot of options that i think ought to be available, like making new tabs open at the end of the list, having a minimum size that tabs can shrink to and a scrollable tab bar, having a drop-down list of all open tabs, and the ability to move the tab bar below the rest of the toolbars. Which is mostly just a list of all the fixes that the Firefox browser has already introduced. There's no shame in benefiting from the experience of those who have come before if you're unable to think of a way to improve the interface yourself.

    Obviously not everyone wants those features, which is why the should be options and not defaults, but i think enough people do that it _is_ worth making them options. Unfortunately Google's view towards user customability remains... unencouraging at best. [chromium.org] (Or, IMHO, "stupidly wrong.") Luckily _some_ of those changes can be implemented by extensions, but not all of them.
    • by Xzzy (111297)

      SSL renegotiation is still broken as well (under mac at least, haven't tried the others).

      This is a deal breaker, if I can't use my certificates, I can't use the browser for work.

      Is a shame, because I really like everything else about the browser.

    • by sznupi (719324)

      The scrollable tab bar is, arguably, not only not the best idea necessarily...but, most importantly, redundant if you have drop-down list of open tabs - potentially much more clear with much less action required if you really have lots of tabs open. But that's the thing, "potentially"...because the way FF implements it totally blows - it shouldn't be a scrolling menu if the list doesn't fit, it should be a nested menu; much faster again, much more clear.
      FF also has problems with those elements of the interf

    • Obviously not everyone wants those features, which is why the should be options and not defaults, but i think enough people do that it _is_ worth making them options.

      This is the path to preference overload [pair.com].

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by argStyopa (232550)

      Meh, I'll just wait for the SRWare Iron version.

      Most of the complaints people have about Chrome are gone in Iron (or, as your esthetic complaints) don't matter enough to me to want to go back to Firefox (which was almost as bloated and slow as IE by the time I departed using it after many years of happy use) or *shudder* IE.

  • Well (Score:5, Funny)

    by kenp2002 (545495) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:43AM (#32098112) Homepage Journal

    DO NOT WANT. I don't need any more proprietary crap rolled into a browser. Lean, mean, and a solid plug in architecture. Great now how the fuck am I supposed to block all those fucking retarded flash ads with the damn flash engine embedded... grr.... on the other hand:

    I for one welcome out cowboyNeal worshipping Dancing Baby overlords but question their ability to run Earth better then a borg augmented Bill Gates. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong besides Steve Ballmer throwing a chair and breaking the series of tubes we call the Internet. The only thing worse then a suddenOutbreakOfCommonSense coupled with the release of Duke Nukem Forver is the return of Charlie the Unicorn during a Chocolate Rain. In Soviet Russia Snakes on a plane get You but under the new rulership we are as screwed as the Star Wars Kid getting the hookup with a Wii Fit Girl. If you don't think things can get worse, I am fine with that, OK Go, but all your bases are belong to us then. See if I care. But when Dear Leader forces you to do the Hampster Dance in front of the Saugeen Stripper after the JK Wedding Entrance Dance you will beg to be thrown in with those Snakes on a Plane flying to the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny! I know that CorrelationNoCausation may apply here but I am certain that the new overlords computer will be superior to our current technology, but does it run Linux and can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of their computers! My Epeen is huge thinking about it to the point of a joygasm! Perhaps with their technology we could getyourasstomars in the time it takes to watch the Last Lecture! Imagine the number of Libraries of Congress we could store using their technology! Mod me Troll? How dare you you insensitive clod! Now to distract you while I steal the Netcraft report confirming Gentoo
    Linux is dying. LOOK OVER THERE! OMG!!! PONIES!!

    (Did I miss anything there?)

  • Given that Chrome is the only browser I've found on Linux that actually feels fast (well, Midori is speedy too but it crashed constantly), I'm happy to see innovation on that front.

    I've never figured out why Chrome is as fast as it is on Linux while Firefox feels like driving an 18-wheeler dragging a stadium behind it (while on Windows and Mac it feels just fine), but alas, I found something that works and that's all that matters.

  • Is this version still unable to open a PDF in Linux?
  • I actually thought this was a good idea, at least for heavy users of Facebook, as we all know is awash in Flash games of all description.

    Unfortunately it's easily the crashiest Chrome beta I've tested. In fact, it's very easy to replicate!

    1. Open Google Chrome.
    2. Find a Flash-driven game/page.
    3. Right-click to try and pull up the settings menu.
    4. Get a "kill this unresponding page" dialog.

    I'll call this a reversion, because a similar bug was supposedly fixed [google.com] back in December.

    I've really wanted to like Chrome. It reall

  • Can / Will this be released into Chromium since Flash is proprietary?
  • by hkmwbz (531650) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @12:49PM (#32100474) Journal

    Google quietly released a new beta version of its Chrome browser, which not only blows its rivals out of the water as far as performance is concerned

    Yeah, if you leave out Opera. However, if you do include Opera in the test it beats even Chrome 5 [computerworld.com].

    First benchmarks show that the new beta is about 10% faster than the previous beta in the SunSpider and V8 benchmark, and about 30% faster than Chrome 4, which remains the fastest Javascript browser available today.

    No, again, that is Opera.

  • by pdxaaron (777522) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @12:51PM (#32100512)
    Why can't I do a print preview, print selected, or adjust orientation in Chrome? This is basic functionality that every other browser does just fine. I'm glad that 18 months after print preview being requested in chrome, that it's been catagorized behind things like domain specific zoom level memory. Way to prioritize things Google....

    http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=29ea05faa34bade4&hl=en [google.com]
  • by pwagland (472537) on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @01:45PM (#32101640) Journal
    See this [globelogger.com] comparison for example. This beta is slower than the webkit, which is also effectively a beta release. Long story short, all of the javascript engines are getting faster, but we are about to hit a new roadblock with dramatically slower devices, this iPads, notebooks, and mobile phones.
  • Googleupdate (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dugeen (1224138) on Thursday May 06, 2010 @05:09AM (#32109134) Journal
    Google's malware-esque update methods have killed my interest in Chrome. Last time I installed it it silently created no less than three scheduled tasks devoted to updating itself. Cram it Google! If I want to know about updates I'll check your website myself, I'm sure I can remember the address.

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