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Opera 10.60 Released, With Faster JS, WebM Video Support 301

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teh31337one writes "Four short months after Opera 10.50, the latest version of Opera's lightweight web browser has been released. It not only claims to be the fastest browser, but also the first final browser with WebM video support. It's available for Windows, Mac and Linux." Update: 07/04 21:53 GMT by T : Headline updated to reflect that this is Opera 10.60, rather than 10.6. Thanks to the readers who spotted this goof.
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Opera 10.60 Released, With Faster JS, WebM Video Support

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  • F!rst post (Score:5, Funny)

    by fredan (54788) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @04:53PM (#32793742) Homepage Journal
    damn, it's fast!
    • by sznupi (719324)

      Even better, this one is orders of magnitude faster than a potato [opera.com]

  • by students (763488) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @04:54PM (#32793744) Homepage Journal

    At first I was confused by this article, since I was reading it in Opera 10.11. The new version is called 10.60, not 10.6.

    • by yuhong (1378501)
      Yea, the confusion of decimal version numbers. How often is Ubuntu 9.10 called Ubuntu 9.1, as another example? Windows 3.1 had decimal 10 as the minor version, while Windows XP (5.1) had decimal 01 as the minor version.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by AliasMarlowe (1042386)
      FYI, on my system the opera:about page shows it as version "10.60 internal", but its browser identification is:
      "Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.60"
      which could be construed as meaning either version 9.80 or version 10.60.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2010 @04:54PM (#32793748)

    Opera brags about this, but my experience is that it's generally quirky in comparison to other browsers (not IE) with valid (X)HTML/CSS. For instance, W3 specs say that a blockquote should be rendered with equal whitespace before and after (link here [w3.org]) , yet Opera won't give it any whitespace in a after the closing blockquote tag. This breaks the appearance of many sites, including imageboards.

    Why should I care about a non-extensible browser that does some artificial benchmarks a millisecond faster? Not trolling, I'm trying to figure out what practical benefit Opera has for its users.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by JLennox (942693)
      Are you sure? This [w3schools.com] shows as your exact description of proper in Opera 10.6...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Can you post some screenshots of this problem? I have never noticed it before. My suspicion is that you're using a proxy or some filtering software that's damaging the HTML that Opera is subsequently displaying.

      • by Arimus (198136)

        Should be easy...

        This text has the blockquote tag with no space

        either side of the tag and none

        afterwards.

        • by skaet (841938)

          I'm using 10.60 and I see whitespace before and after the blockquote. You appear to be wrong in this case.

    • by m1ss1ontomars2k4 (1302833) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:02PM (#32793788)
      For a long time it was the only browser to support border-radius CSS. It's currently the only browser with WebM support. I like it because of its right click->Validate feature, which sends the cached copy of the current page to the w3 validator. Plus it also has Inspect Element (like Chrome), mouse gestures (like the Firefox addons), and it looks good in Mac OS X and Windows (although not so much in Linux). Plus Opera Unite is really cool too. Opera Mail is also pretty decent. Also, I can't find in the spec where W3 recommends equal whitespace before and after blockquotes. All it says, as far as I can tell, is that it should be indented.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Plus it also has Inspect Element (like Chrome), mouse gestures (like the Firefox addons), and it looks good in Mac OS X and Windows (although not so much in Linux).

        I really like Opera on Windows, but I find it dreadful on OS X. I like mouse gestures and use them regularly, but Opera only supports the mouse gestures built into Opera, not the system service ones that work in all my other apps. The same goes for the rest of the system services. No support for the native spellchecker or grammar checker or word statistics. No automatic language translation, dictionary/thesaurus lookup, or text manipulation services. If you give up all the cool OS supplied features of OS X,

      • by rs79 (71822)

        "All it says, as far as I can tell, is that it should be indented."

        It used to be indented on both sides in earlier versions of Opera.

      • I like it because of its right click->Validate feature, which sends the cached copy of the current page to the w3 validator.

        There's a Firefox add-on called Page Validator [mozilla.org] that does that.

    • by Kjella (173770) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:04PM (#32793816) Homepage

      Not trolling, I'm trying to figure out what practical benefit Opera has for its users.

      The 80-20 rule, 80% of the benefit of Firefox with 20% of the effort fiddling with all the extensions. Firefox without any extensions at all is a poorer browser than Opera, and I got better things do to than to custom design my browser.

      • by Mantrid42 (972953)
        Not to mention that most greasemonkey scripts work in Opera as well.
    • by shutdown -p now (807394) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:22PM (#32793930) Journal

      I'm trying to figure out what practical benefit Opera has for its users.

      Of all browsers I've tried, it has the most customizable keybindings, and, in general, the single best implementation of keyboard-only browsing.

      (Yes, I've tried the Firefox plugins which promised the same. They're not on par.)

      On the whole, though, Opera doesn't have a single major killer feature. Rather, it's a combination of little (and obvious, come to think of it) things, each of which makes your life that much easier - and no-one else offers the entire set in one box. For example, Opera is the only browser I know of which lets you submit a form to a new tab, background tab etc (same keyboard modifiers when clicking submit button as for links).

    • by XO (250276)

      Unable to duplicate here

    • by rs79 (71822)

      "Not trolling, I'm trying to figure out what practical benefit Opera has for its users."

      I've used only Opera since version 3 or so. What I find when I try to use any other browser now is that just doing my work takes longer because of all the refinements Opera has.

    • For instance, W3 specs say that a blockquote should be rendered with equal whitespace before and after

      Really? I couldn't see that specified in your link. Perhaps if you'd included the text that stated that in a blockquote to accompany your link it would help!

      If a specific amount of margin is really desired after an element then the author should specify it.

  • where's the beef? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by larry bagina (561269) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:10PM (#32793870) Journal

    Opera used to cost money. Then they switched to an ad-supported shareware model (no ads if you paid). Then they went free (as on $0) on the desktop and brought in the revenue by licensing to mobile phones, consoles, etc. That worked when smartphones were neglected and the only other option was IE mobile. But these days, WebKit is used by (or will be used by) pretty much everyone except Microsoft (who are on the verge of irrelevance). And Mozilla might, someday, gain traction with their mobile browser.

    Who is going to pay for Opera when they can use WebKit or Fennec for free? They don't have the google ad revenue that Mozilla has. They don't have a sugar daddy like IE or WebKit.

    It doesn't matter how good their browser is, their business model is dead and their days are numbered.

    • by yuhong (1378501)
      Yea, remember the race between Microsoft and Netscape where Netscape tried to make money off their browser at first, then MS used the money it made from Windows to make it's competitor IE free, then Netscape tried to make money off of web server software, and then MS in the same way make it's competitor IIS free?
    • by sznupi (719324)

      If you only took your sig to heart...

      They are actually growing (it's all int the financial reports); don't know/don't care much "why?", perhaps device manufacturers and telcos value what Opera offers after all. And with Opera as #1 mobile browser by worldwide usage (despite many of its users surely being rather cautious with number of sites visited / data transferred), the outlook doesn't look so bad - after all, they are doing fine despite being by far the longest without corporate daddy out of all major b

      • by XO (250276)

        Exactly how many Wiis has Nintendo sold worldwide?

        • by tepples (727027)

          Exactly how many Wiis has Nintendo sold worldwide?

          Wii is saddled with old Opera and old Flash.

          • by Joe Tie. (567096)
            It's really pretty annoying. It's another one of those things that would have been great if just a wee bit more time and money had been put into it for polish. I mean imagine how cool it would have been to just go over to the mario corssover game on the wii and play it on nintendo hardware.
        • 71 million as of March, 2010.
    • It's true; their days are numbered, and their attempts to do silly things like add webservers to their browser suggest that they know that very well.

      Opera should be:

      a) Open-sourcing their browser and making money from extras like T-shirts and manuals and other silly crap like that, which kids with browsers will buy.
      b) Working real hard on a totally new, advanced, streamlined, user-friendly browser for the semantic web.

      • by XO (250276)

        ... not sure if serious?

      • The standards at Opera are way too high for amateurs and lots of code would be rejected for not being tight, not being CPU agnostic, not being platform agnostic, "breaks a feature which our partner needs", "not allowed within idea of Opera"...

        Why don't you try to understand the idea behind Opera browser first? A tip for you: No developer who actually codes meaningful stuff for Firefox called Opera to open the source since they seem to have an idea why it is closed source.

        It is a browser which has its own wa

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by hkmwbz (531650)

        It's true; their days are numbered, and their attempts to do silly things like add webservers to their browser suggest that they know that very well.

        This is hilarious.

        People like you have been predicting Opera's demise for 15 years. And for some reason, Opera is still around, and not only, that, but it's thriving. They just reported having more than 120 million users globally, up from 100 million a few months ago.

        They're pulling in major deals with the likes of AT&T, Sony, Nintendo, Verizon, etc. a

    • by Draek (916851)

      They don't have the google ad revenue that Mozilla has.

      Actually yes, they do. Can't find a source for it at the moment, but they've had a deal since the early 9.x days if not sooner, it's not something recent.

    • "They don't have the google ad revenue that Mozilla has. "

      Actually, they make the money exactly same way, every default search engine on Opera (which you can add more) makes money for Opera.

      So, that is how they don't have to ask for money or display ads on browser. They also figured (a guess), more users mean more test and more compatibility and prestige for the real money making business which are devices.

      There is nothing to beat Opera on devices, you can't pack Webkit and claim it is a mobile device brows

  • Correction (Score:5, Informative)

    by value_added (719364) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:10PM (#32793872)

    It's available for Windows, Mac and Linux."

    No, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris [opera.com].

    • by AK Marc (707885)
      It's available for Windows
      http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/386/
      It's available for Mac
      http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/793/
      It's available for Linux
      http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/206/

      Your correction seems not only pedantic, but incorrect.
  • ...over 10.5x series on the Mac. 10.6 hasn't crashed yet!
  • I just downloaded this new version and found the animation on the google.com home page much smoother in Opera than in Firefox, especially the star falling part. This really makes Firefox look bad.
  • by pgmrdlm (1642279) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:50PM (#32794052) Journal
    I have opera installed on all my computers(FreeBSD and Windows) and was a huge fan of the browser. I find that every single web page I try to connect to, including Slashdot, takes forever to load. I have tried using the turbo option with no improvement. I have tested the same pages, right after trying to connect with opera and have found 100 percent improvement in connection and loading speeds. These pages include my bank, various media web pages, and several different forums I belong to.

    I've switched my default browser from opera to chrome. I'm ready to uninstall opera, it's not worth trying to browse the web with right now. I have to go to FireFox on FreeBSD because chrome is not ported.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by KiwiSurfer (309836)
      Have you looked at using FreeBSD's Linux Binary Emulation feature?
      • by pgmrdlm (1642279)
        To be honest, I have. But everything I have read, and I did searches on chrome and FreeBSD is that nobody really had successfully made it work.

        I'll be honest, I would rather get the Linux version of boinc to work then chrome. What is in the ports, boinc, does not allow you to run all the projects. Just Seti and a few that I don't participate in. The Linux version, if I could get it to work, would allow me to run all my boinc projects and completely move them off windows.

        I would need to post to a Linux

    • Sounds like local problems, I find myself utterly amazed at how fast pages are loading in 10.60.

      • by pgmrdlm (1642279)
        Why does firefox, ie, and chrome load faster then. I believed the same thing. Hell, I thought it was my internet connection till I tried the other browsers.

        Don't know.

  • by obarthelemy (160321) on Sunday July 04, 2010 @06:07PM (#32794142)

    and I'm on the verge of changing browsers. I paid for Opera back when the choice was between IE, Netscape, and Opera. Been using Opera as my main browser, and very happy with it, since then... must be quasi 10 years now. I'm very sad to see Opera dropping the ball that bad, and not fixing it:

      - basically, 10.x versions are much lower quality than 9.x and before. An occasional hiccup can be understood, but 10.x is kinda old by now, there have been several point releases, and the issues that bother me still are there.
    - broken feature 1: mouse gestures. One a large screen, with the mouse set for high velocity and high acceleration, mouse gestures don't register 9 out of 10 times. Chrome does not have that issue. It's probably kinda easy to fix (9.x has the issue, but not as badly).
    - broken feature 2: autoscroll. 10.x goes out of autoscroll after a (random) handful of seconds. I've taken to copy-pasting URLs of long documents into Opera 9x, but that's cumbersome.
    - broken feature 3: Opera Link keeps overwriting my main PCs bookmarks with stuff from PCs I haven't touched in ages. I'm back to synching bookmarks with backups and restore, and re-doing the rest (custom searches...) by hand.
    - broken feature 4: cursor in text boxes. I routinely have issues getting my cursor back into rich-text edit boxes. I actually had the problem right now, and had to click on my comment's title then tab back into my text... this is cumbersome after a while.
    - Broken feature 4: some sites that used to work perfectly no longer do. Hotmail is the main one, ZD sites are kinda screwy (the comments section)

    I'm a bit disheartened. I've been a Opera fan and advocate for long, and now I feel they've dropped their focus on code quality to chase feature checklists and performance benchmarks. I personnaly don't care if my browser does WebM, or if it's 50% faster at javascript, if I can't use Hotmail, synch my PCs, scroll pages, and otherwise navigate with my mouse. These have been bugs since 10.0 beta, I've reported them, Opera hasn't moved on them.

    I used to recommend Opera, I no longer do, and after enduring 10.x for months, I'm ready to leave, too. Chrome's mouse gestures and autoscroll work fine on my PC, as do Hotmail and text boxes...

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by twidarkling (1537077)

      How odd. I don't use mouse gestures, so I cannot speak to that one. As for the rest, I've never had autoscroll stop on me before. I've had some lag in it stopping when I wanted it to, though. Opera Link does seem to randomly take the older version, you're right there. Not sure that's part of the browser, and more the secondary service (not that it makes a functional difference, I'll admit).

      Opposite problem with text boxes. It'll jump to them when a new page loads, even when there's lots of other content, so

      • Indeed that's weird, and it would feel better if the issues were the same for everyone. They aren't, but the buggy areas seem to be.

        I just checked, I can use Hotmail with my 9.64-usb. WIth 10.x, I go into some refresh loop for a while after each page load, I have to click on random stuff for it to stop, sometimes after stopping it's usable, sometimes it's not and I have to refresh and retry.

        I don't know about the flashblocker, since I have flash mostly off, and use a custom HOSTS file on top of that. I see

    • I think you should completely uninstall your current Opera installation, remove all traces of it, and then install and try again. The Mouse gesture problem was fixed backed in 9.5 or 9.6 .. i can't speak for autoscroll, because I don't know what it is .. You can't really complain about Opera Link doing exactly what it's supposed to do, can you? Well, you did, but your complaint doesn't make much sense. You should probably either disable Link, or login to your Opera Link account, and edit the bookmarks there. Maybe your old PCs are in use somewhere, and are still updating the Opera Link, and you should get a new MyOpera account for your current browsers.

      I've not had the "cursor in text boxes" problem on Windows, only on Linux, and it appears to be fixed for the most part in 10.60. Hotmail appears to work ok for me, although i have nothing but about 82,000 spams in an email box that i got back in 1998, and have never once used.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by obarthelemy (160321)

        I'll try the uninstall reinstall. Never had the issue prior to 10.x though, and my 9.64-usb still works fine.

        Autoscroll is: when you have a very long web page to read, middle-click, drag the mouse down a bit, the page starts scrolling down without you having to roll the scrollwhell nor click the verticla slider (very convenient), and should continue scrolling until you middle-click again, or move the mouse back up. Only it doesn't, and stops after 1-5 seconds.

        Opera link is not supposed to randomly overwrite

        • I'll second the issues with Opera from upgrading. I remember having lots of problems with earlier versions of 10.x until I did a clean install (instead of upgrading from a 9.x install).

          As for autoscroll, do you have a loose mousewheel perchance? If you move the wheel, it will stop the scrolling so if you have a loose one, it can do the same. Mine is getting a bit worn and has a few spots where it scroll without feeling that noticeable click.

          Hotmail hasn't been a problem for a while now but I do remember

  • ...they fucking removed options that I prefer. I want the tab bar to go away if I only have one tab open. GIVE ME MY SCREEN SPACE! Also, let me get rid of the background image of the speed dial.

    That said, unlike past upgrades which made changes that can only be characterized as "feeling different", I noticed no negative ones this time around. Feels a bit more stable and a little more spry.

    I still want to have the tab bar hide though.

    • Ah, found out how to get rid of the image. It was under Configure Speed Dial. Imagine that....

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by XO (250276)

        Right click Tab Bar, click Customize, select "Only display when needed", same place as it's always been.

        • Well... I'd do that but I don't have that option and if I go to the customize appearance, the option is grayed out.

          http://img443.imageshack.us/f/tabbar1.png/ [imageshack.us]
          http://img145.imageshack.us/f/tabbar2.png/ [imageshack.us]

    • Some annoyances like that here. Double-clicking on an empty page used to bring you to your home page. Doesn't do anything anymore. Flash is broken yet again (spinner forever), but I'm not sure I can blame that on them. I will anyway though. :) And putting in an incomplete address doesn't seem to automatically send you to the .com - e.g. type 'example' into the address bar. It'll do a search on 'example,' rather than taking you to example.com. Blah.
  • I haven't looked at the developer edition of opera however I think it still has a lot of catching up to do. I just gave it a run by opening it up and loading www.html5test.com and unfortunately for me I won't be using this to develop on.

    Lack of drag and drop makes it unusable for my development needs.

    As a comparison:

    Chrome 5.0.375.99 gives me 197 with 7 bonus points.
    Chrome 6.0.453.1 dev which I'm currently using gives me 220 with 10 bonus points
    Opera 10.60 gives me 159 with 7 bonus points
    Firefox 3.6.6 gives

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