AT&T To Introduce Broadband Caps 538
rekenner writes "In the upcoming weeks, AT&T customers are going to start receiving notices that their broadband services are going to have a monthly cap, starting in May. DSL users will have a cap of 150 GB per month, while U-Verse users will have a more 'generous' cap of 250 GB per month. However, unlike other caps, it won't be until your third month of overage, on the life of the account, that you'll be charged an overage. Thanks, I guess."
What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Insightful)
On the bright side, since so many companies (Netflix, Google, youtube, any "cloud computing" company with large data usage etc.) have built their business model around the assumption of easily available and cheap bandwidth, we might start seeing companies (i.e. entities with real money and legal power) suing each other to keep internet neutrality, rather than ordinary citizens trying to push it through representatives that still think it's got something to do with their household plumbing. Or if not, at least it'll give up-and-coming broadband providers a better business justification to invest in their own infrastructure.
Fingers crossed that we're a step closer to opening up the relative crap-opoly that is ATT/Comcast in so many regions of this country.
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:4, Insightful)
A cap is network neutrality.
Because they can't say "You can only use Netflix if you pay us a fee", they'll instead put a blanket cap on usage.
And that's exactly as it should be.
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Insightful)
The same can be said of cable tv providers (Score:5, Insightful)
AT&T U-Verse traffic is not included in the cap.
AT&T not counting their U-Verse video traffic is effectively the same as Comcast not counting their video bandwidth too. It doesn't matter if the service provider delivers their own video content via IP multicast (U-Verse), RF (Comcast) or discs strapped to trained pigeons.
Any download cap by any ISP who also provides video service is anti-competitive.
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Insightful)
But Uverse video is NOT delivered the same way as Netflix, iTunes, and the rest... It's not competition; Uverse programming is "broadcast" in a very traditional sense, you watch what's on the stream coming down the pipe and while you have control over *your* stream you have little/no control over all the streams of content coming from the very center. They distribute a LOT of hardware and connectivity to make that all possible, and while I am not trying to defend them or over-hype their service, it is really fundamentally *not* just another source of IP information.
Netflix, hulu, and the rest need to realize that IP unicast from a central hub for TV programming is fundamentally flawed, and start aggressively peering with service providers like AT&T to get a content source *inside* the network where it won't be capped (and where, conveniently enough, its VERY VERY efficient since it saves gateway bandwidth for unique data services that actually NEED it.)
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You're arguing semantics. You apparently haven't been seeing the commercials about getting movies /before/ Netflix through U-Verse. U-Verse competes with Internet video services. They provide a mix of free samples and paid downloads on demand.
It doesn't matter if they deliver it by carrier pigeon, fleet of station wagons or multicast over twisted pairs of copper. They are providing the same demand based service in addition to their broadcast streams.
Not that it matters, but they also push a DVR service
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Insightful)
A) None of the major IP video services use a single hub. They all run through massive proxy systems like Akamai. Content already lives very close to its end point.
C) AT&T isn't much more "inside" their own network then the likes of Netflix and Hulu already are via Akamai and such.
B) You can't get "inside" AT&T's network in the way you're talking about, at least not without paying extremely huge fees to AT&T that'd verge on a protection racket. And again, the difference isn't technically much different then what the major video streaming companies are doing today via Akamai. There is no big win there; The REAL issue is the last mile, which is exactly the same for AT&T as it is for Netflix et al.
AT&T isn't doing this to encourage competition to move to more efficient methods, nor are they doing it to address their own peering costs (already bought and paid for). It's an overt move to use their position as bandwidth provider to promote their content business...by disenfranchising the competition.
there's a reason why it's not included in the cap (Score:3)
It's not entirely surprising that they would treat internal network traffic differently. U-Verse traffic travels on AT&T's internal network. Anything going to or coming from the internet at large needs to go through their pipes to the outside world.
Incidentally, I was recently at a presentation by Shaw Cable in Canada, and apparently streaming data (netflix, youtube, etc.) is currently only 15% of their network traffic, with 45% being peer to peer (all sorts, including vpn, skype, etc.) and 36% being
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Informative)
From TFA: "and that AT&T U-Verse TV service won't count towards the GB cap"
so UVERSE is NOT included in the cap.. this is them using their monopoly to disadvantage competition this is ripe for an antitrust suit..
I'm waiting till i get their letter and the in flyer that still says "unlimited" and get them to put a definition on it and make a daily task to bitch and moan that if they are capping they can't advertise it as unlimited.
Net Neutrality?!? (Score:3)
What's this got to do with Net Neutrality? It's throttling back traffic and charging for overage - it's a Business Model - not entirely unlike how they charge for Long Distance.
Re:Net Neutrality?!? (Score:5, Insightful)
What's this got to do with Net Neutrality? It's throttling back traffic and charging for overage - it's a Business Model - not entirely unlike how they charge for Long Distance.
It's Net Neutrality because they are not throttling or capping their own competing services, while they are capping Netflix. AT&T has just announced that they, like Comcast, are the gatekeepers of the Internet, and have free reign to control how much you say, who you say it to, and where your information comes from.
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It's throttling back and charging for some traffic. AT&T's own uverse video on demand service is not subject to this cap and you can bet they will extend that same benefit to any partners who pay them money.
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No they will not.
They will simply peer closer to the edge and agree with the ISP that their traffic does not count towards any quotas. They already do it in places.
The ISPs will similarly move their service closer to the edge. A secondary effect will be that "magic box" traffic solutions that require all traffic to be dragged across them will become less and less popular. Ditto for any all-encompassing traffic management superframeworks native to specific network technologies.
IMO that is actually quite good
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Yet U-verse is last mile technology (VDSL). I doubt AT&T will suddenly allow me to break the cap because the data center I'm downloading from is only 30 miles from my house.
AT&T has no incentive to do this. In fact they have a huge disincentive to do this. They offer their own unmetered VDSL-based IPTV. Why should they let their own product compete with an even footing with Netflix and the rest?
This isn't just technical, this is very much a business decision to help fight competitors like Netflix.
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Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:4, Insightful)
I meant that the newer companies would be utilizing the judicial branch of our government more, rather than the (often intentionally) uninformed and ineffective legislative branch to address this issue.
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Any organisation that tries to impose such caps is going to see its profits dropping as people move to services that will actually allow them to continue to legally stream movies from YouTube, Netflix, download games on Steam, etc. Maybe then they'll get a clue.
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I can pick uverse and have a 250 gig cap, or I can revolt and pick comcast and .....have a 250 gig cap.
Or I could try out verizon's 3g service in my home and pay out the ass for 5 gig...
There really is no competition for the majority of the population.
Personally, I want a pay per gig model. I'd gladly pay $0.6 to $0.10 a gig for downloads. In the long run I'd be saving money.
Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:5, Insightful)
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U-Verse has always throttled the non-iptv portion of the connection to allow priority for video and charge extra for faster "internet" plans. My gateway is showing 35Mb/s down speeds but Speedtest bottoms out at about 1.41Mb/s since I'm paying for the 1.5Mb package.
The cap is roughly 1/10 of the maximum I can pull down by saturating the connection 24/7. While I don't plan on doing that, I do plan on not doing business with them in the future when the opportunity presents itself (Grande Communications, I'm
Duh! TV service doesn't have to be metered (Score:3)
U-Verse TV is paid for per month per box anyway. I don't know of any provider that meters TV service; do you?
Since most U-Verse subscribers are only using a small fraction of their U-Verse DSL line's speed (mine shows a 36Mbps line speed, but I only pay for 3Mbps Internet service), I'm not sure why we would expect the TV service to be metered. It's not like Comcast bills their users for how much of the cable RF bandwidth the video signals are using.
U-Verse TV service is however limited - no matter how man
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1.8 GB per movie (Score:5, Informative)
What's the average Netflix data rate?
On Xbox 360, 1.8 GB per movie (source [streamingmedia.com]).
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I rewatched 41 episodes of BSG this week in Netflix 'HD' (lol) and my total usage for 14 days is 65664MB.
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Re:What's average Netflix datarate? (Score:4, Insightful)
Possibly because this isn't really about bandwidth.
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Correct. This is an end-run around net neutrality and an attempt to wring more money out of their networks. If they can't hold content PROVIDERS hostage for the fees, they'll hold their subscribers up for it.
And once again... (Score:5, Informative)
the consumer gets screwed.
"Caps" are the worst way of doing business, designed to cover the fact that they engaged in blatant false advertising.
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150? 250? You guys are getting off easy. They just added a cap up in Canada for Bell DSL at 20gb a month. Then expect you to pay like30-50 bucks for it.
Re:And once again... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not the magnitude of the cap. It's that bandwidth - which is a momentary capacity, not a "month cycle" capacity - is being charged that way.
This ain't electricity or water, where there is a certain central pool quantity to draw from. It's on or off.
Add to this the fact that NONE of these dishonest fuckers in these companies give you a good way to track "usage", and it gets worse.
Add in the fact that they are all doing this not to "manage slowdowns" but instead to try to push people back into buying "on demand TV" and "premium cable TV packages with rental DVR" and it's clear: this is not what they say it is. This is pure greed on their part.
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Add in the fact that they are all doing this not to "manage slowdowns" but instead to try to push people back into buying "on demand TV" and "premium cable TV packages with rental DVR"
So then how, as a YouTube user, do I get original videos that my team has produced and uploaded into "on demand TV" and "premium cable TV packages with rental DVR"?
Re:And once again... (Score:5, Insightful)
Silly consumer - You don't.
We all need to learn to ignore that whole YouTube fad thing and come to terms with the fact that only big Hollywood money can make "real" content. Just sit back, relax, have a can of government-permitted intoxicant, and watch whatever your push-content provider has decided to make available to you.
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Giving the benefit of "is this a serious question":
The Complete Book of Scriptwriting [amazon.com] by J. MIchael Straczynski (the Babylon 5 guy). The book is almost entirely about the business of being a writer in Hollywood, what you can expect, how you can avoid being screwed, where you can't avoid being screwed (so suck it up), what the Screenwriter's Guild is and is not good for, how to get an agent, etc. Now, this might not be exactly what you're looking for in that you're talking about completed work (which will
Re:And once again... (Score:4, Interesting)
It's not the magnitude of the cap. It's that bandwidth - which is a momentary capacity, not a "month cycle" capacity - is being charged that way. This ain't electricity or water, where there is a certain central pool quantity to draw from. It's on or off.
What would the solution to this be? A variable cap that changes based on how busy the network is?
Add to this the fact that NONE of these dishonest fuckers in these companies give you a good way to track "usage", and it gets worse.
FTFA:
Customers will be able to check their usage with an online tool, and get notifications when they reach 65 percent, 90 percent and 100 percent of their monthly rates.
So they're absolutely providing a way to check usage. The jury's out on whether or not it's a "good" way, but seeing as you haven't used it you are in no way capable of making that judgement.
Add in the fact that they are all doing this not to "manage slowdowns" but instead to try to push people back into buying "on demand TV" and "premium cable TV packages with rental DVR" and it's clear: this is not what they say it is. This is pure greed on their part.
Now you're just making things up. It doesn't mention that anywhere in the article.
There is a finite amount of bandwidth. The options that have been presented to solve this problem are traffic shaping and capping, so please either throw your towel in with one of those or propose another idea.
Re:And once again... (Score:5, Interesting)
Add in the fact that they are all doing this not to "manage slowdowns" but instead to try to push people back into buying "on demand TV" and "premium cable TV packages with rental DVR" and it's clear: this is not what they say it is. This is pure greed on their part.
Now you're just making things up. It doesn't mention that anywhere in the article.
There is a finite amount of bandwidth. The options that have been presented to solve this problem are traffic shaping and capping, so please either throw your towel in with one of those or propose another idea.
Oooh ooh! Pick Me! I know!
Another option would be to have more options!
Since ATT is only able to provide service because they have used publicly owned throughways and have been given permission to sell me service, we could allow more people to provide service!
We could allow co-ops and startups to lease/buy/build lines and improve our networks!
Heck, we could even use that bandwidth that they took from TV providers (remember that?) and use it for broadband wireless with open networks like they said was going to happen!
It seems there are a lot of options besides bandwidth capping, traffic shaping, and anti-competitive practices. We just don't use them.
As a sidenote, HR 607 would take the D-Block of frequencies and instead give them to emergency response/public safety people. Sounds good right? Well, they don't need it, and it keeps it away from what it was taken for (which helps these same ISPs) and proposes to take away the 70cm band from Ham radio operators - which would really impair public safety in the event of a true emergency.
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What would the solution to this be? A variable cap that changes based on how busy the network is?
How about telecoms actually build out their infrastructure so that it's not a problem? Boo-hoo that they have to spend money to upgrade the infrastructure to meet demand instead of giving their CEOs huge bonuses.
150GB? (Score:2)
That's what you'd get with 512 kb/s.
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How exactly is it false advertising to tell users exactly how much bandwidth they can use and then allow them to use that amount of bandwidth? It was false advertising when the advertising said unlimited when it really wasn't. Now they're calling it limited and giving you what they say they will. Just because you want something different doesn't make what they're doing wrong.
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Sorry buddy, but you're full of shit. AT&T actually removed the word "unlimited" from their broadband advertising months ago. Remains to be seen whether these new caps will be explicitly referenced in new advertising (I highly doubt they will be) but honestly I see no problem with doing so. You're not required to include every detail of your service in an advertisement, you just can't include false details. If a consumer makes bad assumptions and doesn't bother to learn what they're actually signing
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In the upcoming weeks, AT&T customers are going to start receiving notices that their broadband services are going to have a monthly cap, starting in May.
Sorry, buddy.
Re:And once again... (Score:5, Informative)
150,000,000,000 GB * 8 (bits/Byte) / 15,000,000 (bits/s) / 60 (sec/min) / 60 (min/hour) / 30 (days/month)= 0.74 hours a day
Thus, you can only use the advertised speed for no more than 45 minutes a day, given you do not use the internet at all during the remaining 23.26 hours.
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I have to agree. I signed up for "Unlimited" internet. The only cap should be MAX bandwidthX24x7 use.
It doesn't matter both parties are so in far in the back pockets of the telecoms and "Entertainment" that we will be screwed.
90/150 (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Why did AT&T bother to put fiber all over town for it's customers' if they don't want us to use the bandwidth? They are Ma Bell, do they really have a shortage of bandwidth?
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No, but notice that the cap for their integrated U-verse service is significantly higher. I'm sure that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they're trying to push their integrated TV/Phone/Internet service as much as possible.
Re:I wonder.. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Not really. All they have to do is say the cap applies to data sources external to the AT&T network, since they have to pay transit costs.
All AT&T sourced data -- servers directly on their network, such as their IPTV servers -- don't apply to the cap since it is all internal.
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So if I set my torrent client to prefer IP addresses in AT&T's network, do those transfers not count towards the cap? Or what about downloading from in-network servers that aren't owned by AT&T, like AT&T business clients?
Because if this limit doesn't apply to any in-network usage, then it's a bit iffy but reasonable. If it specifically applies to U-Verse
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To some extent, I don't care about IPTV. It's just the same old inconvenient TV delivered via a different mechanism. I also don't care about a landline, especially not one that's essentially VOIP masquerading as traditional POTS. But I might be interested in upping my bandwidth cap by 100 GB. And I'm sure that ATT execs made the same calculation.
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They do want to use the bandwidth.
They just plan to make sure that it gets used for their services. They plan to expand their customer base and kill the competition. Things like negotiating exclusivity deals with apartment complexes, throttling connections for Netflix and Google. But don't expect to get any additional bandwidth out of them without paying through the nose for it.
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They did it because they didn't have to pay for it.
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They are Ma Bell
Actually, they aren't Ma Bell. Ma Bell had plenty of faults, but was heavily regulated and thus prevented from pulling stunts like this without at least getting government approval.
These clowns are actually Southern Bell Company, one of the many Baby Bells spawned when AT&T was broken up. They gained an advantage over other Baby Bells using thoroughly sleazy business practices, bought them up with the full support of a deregulation-happy federal government (this was bipartisan: both the Clinton and Bush
Slippery Slope? (Score:2)
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Ultimately it depends on whether ISPs have been telling the truth about how users with the highe
Re:Slippery Slope? (Score:5, Insightful)
If - And I mean that as a really big "if" - You have the great fortune of having more than a single broadband ISP in your area, you might choose to switch between them when one misbehaves. When both demonstrate the same contempt for their customers, what then? Go back to dialup, crippling yourself just to teach 'em a lesson?
Market pressure only works when you actually have something resembling an open marketplace. When only two long-entrenched players offer what you need, they just take turns seeing who can screw you harder.
allowed rate (Score:5, Informative)
(250 gigabytes) / (31 days) = 97.8733572 kBps
That's some bs.
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Depends on if you're a single male living by yourself, or sharing the line with roommates/spouse/kids. Imagine about 10-15kb/s for video game traffic, 10-30gb/mo per person for netflix, 10kb/s for pandora/mog/last.fm, ???kb/s for hulu on top of monthly youtube usage & misc web browsing. Times three (for each person). If they bumped the cap to 150gb/mo here, my roommate and I would blow through that in three weeks. I also download 3-8gb worth of games via steam a month. That's not exactly being a power u
Why do you tolerate this? (Score:5, Insightful)
I just don't understand why americans tolerate ISPs enforcing ridiculous caps. From a swedish perspective it seems kind of backwards, I don't really know of any ISPs here that have caps and it really seems like a concept take from the early days of consumer broadband (mid-to-late 90s there were a few swedish ISPs that tried the whole thing with caps but they were pretty much forced into obscurity since most ISPs didn't cap).
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Er... I was actually thinking that was an incredibly generous cap.
In the UK, 30Gb/month is pretty standard, and much less is available on the cheaper packages (http://www.plus.net/ - owned by the former-government-department British Telecom).
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Er... I was actually thinking that was an incredibly generous cap.
Me too. Here in Portugal I have 60GB / month for 20eur (24Mbs) and it used to be much lower...
Re:Why do you tolerate this? (Score:5, Informative)
I just don't understand why americans tolerate ISPs enforcing ridiculous caps. From a swedish perspective it seems kind of backwards, I don't really know of any ISPs here that have caps and it really seems like a concept take from the early days of consumer broadband (mid-to-late 90s there were a few swedish ISPs that tried the whole thing with caps but they were pretty much forced into obscurity since most ISPs didn't cap).
Even major cities in American typically have only 2-3 available internet service providers, and they tend to implement very similar metering policies at roughly the same time, so there's no easy alternative.
Re:Why do you tolerate this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Its because there are certain American's (who happen to be a large voting group) who confuse the idea of a competitive market with laissez faire capitalism.
This leads to the twisted logic that because competitive, free markets bring efficiency, lower prices, and innovation, any regulation of private enterprises is bad, even if there is barely a market due to government sanctioned monopolies.
Entry barrier (Score:3)
I just don't understand why americans tolerate ISPs enforcing ridiculous caps.
Because most of them don't have the financial capital to start their own ISP to compete with the ones enforcing ridiculous caps. Heck, many areas are lucky to have 5 GB/mo because the alternative to satellite and WiMAX is dial-up.
There is no I in Team! (Score:2)
We tolerate this mostly because of the magical "I" word, infrastructure. It was only recently that mobile providers were told to open up their towers to other carriers, allowing local service providers like MetroPCS and whatnot to participate in what used to be dominated by ATT, Verizon and T-mobile. A big push for that came thanks to Google'lobbying, and right now the people that own the phone and cable lines are still making that exact same argument as was made for the cellphone towers, and they're winn
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We tolerate it because we have no choice. The individual is essentially powerless in the US.
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We tolerate it because we have no choice. The individual is essentially powerless in the US.
You are not powerless. You can choose not to give your money to ATT or any company you are unhappy with. I guarantee that you will not die if you give up internet access because you are unhappy with the services available to you. The power really is in the consumer's hands, we just choose to be lazy and accept what we are given. It is easier to just give them what they want then give up a luxury.
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The point is that if we want (or need) internet access, we are powerless to dictate the terms of what we get. Most of us have only 1 last-mile option, for instance.
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I just don't understand why americans tolerate ISPs enforcing ridiculous caps.
We don't. We just don't have a choice. My only 2 options, in the Chicago suburbs, are either Comcast or AT&T. I went with AT&T because they don't have caps... well, used to not have caps. The irritating thing is Comcast recently implemented bandwidth throttling for streaming video services in my area, so AT&T is still the better of the two (for the time being).
Lucky Me! (Score:4, Informative)
Business Internet with home TV (Score:3)
I recently switched to Comcast Business Class to avoid the bandwidth caps
I've read stories about someone trying to get Comcast Business Class Internet in a home office, but Comcast initially refused to set up a Business Class account because the customer also had residential cable television at the same address. Comcast requires separate accounts for residential and business services, and it appears a lot of front-line call center representatives don't know how to set up two accounts. And if you have Business Class Internet, you also lose the approx. $15/mo discount on cable TV
AT&T adds Data Caps (Score:2)
"Cloud" (Score:2)
This isn't about bandwidth, it's about usage (Score:5, Insightful)
Hooray for the Cloud (Score:2)
Doing the math (Score:2)
(3000 Bits Per Second / 8 (to get Bytes per second)) * 3600 (seconds in an hour) * 24 (hours in a day) = 32,400,000
I could theoretically reach my limit in 5 days. That would be just a little over a terabyte a month if I downloaded 24x7 every day @ 3 mbs. I don't use the 150 gigs now, but ask me again in a year or two since my usage is steadily going up year after year.
Oh Jesus C... are they kidding? (Score:2)
My 90-year-old grandmother uses more bandwidth than that, videoconferencing with the kids. It took ten hours calling the incompetents at AT&T's 888 number -- most of waiting on hold, half the calls, eventually dropped-- to get the DSL line in.
What happened to the era when there were local offices and someone responsible?
That's not a "cap". (Score:2)
It's a good first step toward metered service.
The truth of the matter (Score:5, Interesting)
Let them know the customer is the boss! (Score:3, Interesting)
Time Warner tried this in Austin a couple years ago and it backfired on them. They lost a load of customers. I actually switched to U-verse because of it. They ended scrapping the whole idea. This is their chance to shine and announce: "no data limits" "we miss you come back and enjoy all the Internet" As far as the whole "98% of users won't be impacted by this change" BS... I'm going to call BS on that and go a little further. Even if people don't hit the cap, they like having the unlimited option available. Example: If my hard drive crashes, I have over 300GB of games to download from steam. And that's only the ones I'm currently playing!
Call them and complain (be firm but be nice). I called and got disconnected the first round after a 5 minute hold. The second time when the automated system asked why I was calling I said "I'm pissed off!" I was immediately connected to a rep! The rep said he didn't know anything about it. His supervisor said the same thing.
And if they still go through with this crap - switch. Vote with your wallet folks!
One thing I never understand (Score:2)
Why don't they just charge more? If the network is starting to reach its limits, then why not charge more for a top tier package, take the extra money raised and invest it into making their network better?
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Wonderful! Now I can _increase_ my usage (Score:2, Interesting)
Clarification is nice, especially in this case -- I had assumed around 30 GB/month was a reasonable amount. Now AT&T is telling me 150 GB is reasonable -- 5x more!
Furthermore, their overage rate $0.20/GB (in 50 GB chunks) is quite reasonable.
Some people will whine these are starting rates, and AT&T can change them. Certainly, but then they have to deal with their own precedents set internally. Somebody looks really bad if they have to raise alot, and they will fight.
This is up for potential regulation (Score:2)
If I remember correctly, in certain areas Comcast tried to implement bandwidth caps and the feds stepped in and stopped it because they couldn't prove that it cost them more money to maintain their network when everything was unlimited vs capped.
How much is 150 GB (Score:2)
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That's hardly the only pricing model for hosting.
Others include a minimum guaranteed always-on bandwidth (for example 4 Mbps) with a capped "burst bandwidth" and simply paying a fixed amount for guaranteed bandwidth.
But hey, don't let me stop your attempts at trolling and/or astroturfing for the ISPs...
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It's because the economic model is different from say water or gas. No physical resources are consumed. The impact on the service provider is the network capacity you're consuming. This is nothing more than a do-nothing way to rustle up more income from users.
Even if you're a low volume user, you probably still expect that one big file a month you download to get to you quickly.
Re:what is to be done? (Score:5, Insightful)
False dichotomy.
There is a third answer: The people who supply the pipes keep up with the current state of the art. They are not doing so. They are not reinvesting in their infrastructure and the result is lesser quality and rationing.
Frankly, what the telecoms charge for overages on caps is highway robbery. It has been demonstrated that it's simply cheaper to send a SSD via snail mail and *destroy the drive* after than it is to go over the ridiculous caps that are appearing in Canada. And we're starting to see this in the US as TFA indicates.
We here in the US threw tons of money at the broadband providers during the Clinton administration and all they did was give it out to their shareholders. They continue to refuse to reinvest, and prefer to kill the goose for short term gain. We are falling behind Europe and Asia in terms of broadband, and will soon be a backwater similar to Africa if the telecoms get their way.
This is what you get when you utterly refuse to regulate once the telecoms become regional monopolies or duopolies. There is no more competition, so the raping of the customer goes on.
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Take a third option (Score:3)
The two obvious possibilities are capping - with possible charge for overage - and shaping. Or both. What do geeks want to see?
I, and several other geeks whose Slashdot comments I've read, appear to want home Internet service providers to take a third option [tvtropes.org]. Route revenue from subscribers into long-term investment in the network to improve the capacity of the service rather than paying short-term dividends to shareholders. This goes double for those parts of the country where the typical home connection has a 5 to 10 GB per month cap because cable and DSL aren't available.
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You don't think that Verizon will soon announce that they are bringing out a generous, industry-leading 151 GB cap?
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I think 16 or 12 hours a day would be more reasonable (so 150% to 200% of your number).
But otherwise, it seems reasonable.
As lots of users use 250gb each, it should drive increases in the monthly bandwidth.
250gb is kinda low-- 500gb would probably be more reasonable (until we figure out new uses).
I can see sneakernets coming into existence around some things like distribution downloads. (each person downloads something and then passes blu-ray disks around).
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Except, unlike water, gas, and other "utilities," it costs nothing to transmit.
There's people working on the servers and cables, but they aren't upgrading anything. Some customer support lines, yeah. But how much per GB do you think it really costs them to send it?
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I have U-Verse and a DirecTV tech is coming to "Upgrade" my TV service today. I just have U200 and Elite (6mgbit) with a DVR and 3 boxes ($7 each) and I am paying over $140. DirecTV is offering more channels, free HD and I get to keep my Elite pricing since they are partners with AT&T making my monthly cost just over $100.
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I also recall that living in NZ. But I do notice a difference here - in NZ, the caps were much lower than that (IIRC mine was 10Gb), but the way they were implemented, you'd simply be throttled down for the remainder of the month, to something like 256kbps (with a normal speed of say 2Mbps). So you'd never get in a situation where you are without Internet connectivity, or get a runaway bill. Whereas TFS sounds like they'll be charging for going above the cap.