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Pentagon: 30,000 Pound Bomb Too Small 612

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smitty777 writes "According to the Pentagon, the 30,000-pound, precision-guided Massive Ordnance Penetrator GBU-57 bomb is just too small. Concerns around Iran's fortification of their nuclear program facilities has the DoD seeking from Congress something not quite as subdued as the GBU-57, the largest non-nuke bomb operated by the USAF. This 'smaller' bomb just recently won a prize for its ability to cut through 60 feet of concrete. The upgrades will cost $82 million on top of the $330 million spent so far to develop the system. There is some interesting high speed camera footage of the GBU-57 in the video below."

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Pentagon: 30,000 Pound Bomb Too Small

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  • No, no, no! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ForgedArtificer (1777038) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:28PM (#38880499) Homepage

    Light speed's too slow! We'll have to go straight to.... Ludicrous Speed!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:30PM (#38880531)

    Coincidentally, the construction plans for Iran's entirely peaceful nuclear facilities are being modified to require at least 120 feet of concrete covering to protect them from terrorist attacks and tsunamis.

  • by mehrotra.akash (1539473) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:31PM (#38880545)
    The name of the bomb is "Massive"
    How can you call it "Not big enough?"
  • by DynamoJoe (879038) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:33PM (#38880573)
    This 'smaller' bomb just recently won a prize for its ability to cut through 60 feet of concrete

    A prize like the X-Prize or something? A) who hands out prizes for stuff like this and B) where to I apply to be a judge?

  • by bughunter (10093) <<ten.knilhtrae> <ta> <retnuhgub>> on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:34PM (#38880587) Journal

    Let's call it the Mountainous Occluded Fortification Ordinance.

  • by no-body (127863) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:35PM (#38880601)

    And the misconception how to resolve conflicts and disputes between humans efficiently is too big.
    Just rev up the volume (and your ego), keep the green buck rolling and feel good about it.

  • 1984 much? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:41PM (#38880709)

    Its pretty obvious that the miltiary-political-industrial complex is trying to talk us all into war with Iran and now you see one of the many things they plan to gain from it. Plus more power and control of the populace.

    • Re:1984 much? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:55PM (#38880941)

      I had to scroll way too far down for this. All this posturing bullshit, it hasn't even been ten years since Iraq even started, are Americans really so complacent in their need for perpetual war that they'll buy into this shit again? Its just more money that goes to the Department of "Defense" and their contractors. Someone should really name it back to the Department of War, since we haven't really used it for anything remotely "defensive" since 1947 when it was renamed.

    • Re:1984 much? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by cheetah (9485) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @05:51PM (#38882511)

      We won't have to be talked into anything. Israel will attack Iran sometime this year(almost for sure). And Iran will respond by counter attacking them and most likely US targets in the Middle East. If they attempt to close the straits of Hormuz due to the attack the US will not allow that to happen.

      We don't have the do anything, I doubt that Obama will strike first(but I never would have expected the Libya action). I just don't think he will have too... Israel has less of an ability attack Iran in an attempt to shut down the Nuclear program. So an Israeli attack is likely to come before any US actions.

      The sad thing is, I doubt that any Military action short of ground invasion will prevent Iran from getting Nuclear weapons over the long term(next 5 years). The program is just too well protected and to distributed throughout Iran to fully disrupt. Slow it down, yeah... stop it totally, no way.

      A limited war now will only make a regional Nuclear war more likely in the future. The Iranians feel like they need Nuclear weapons to counter balance Israel and US conventional forces. If we give them a demonstration just how far behind their conventional forces are compared to the US it's only going to make them want Nukes even more.

      I don't blame them for wanting Nukes, it's really the only counter to US forces. A Nuclear armed Iran is going to massively destabilize the Middle East. The Saudis would develop Nukes if Iran goes nuclear. Other states might follow. And between Iran and Israel both armed with Nuclear weapons and delivery systems with travel times of around 15 min... I feel it would only be a matter of time before someone pushed the button. We are talking about two states that don't have any communications directly. Iran refuses to believe that Israel has the right to exist. Israel feels that it must strike first to defend itself... Even if a Nuclear first strike isn't intended the likely-hood of mistake or miscommunication is just too high. Imagine what would have happened during the Cuban missile crisis if nether side talked to each other(back channel communications resolved the crisis)... we likely wouldn't be talking about it now. This is the situation that is going to happen once they are both Nuclear armed.

      • We won't have to be talked into anything. Israel will attack Iran sometime this year(almost for sure).

        In case you haven't been paying attention, Israel began attacking Iran some months ago - a lot of Iranian scientists have been mysteriously exploding, along with at least one major Iranian facility. And what was the real reason Iran was able to bring down that drone, I wonder?

        If a foreign power was murdering state employed scientists in the U.S. and blowing up facilities in the U.S. while flying drones in U.S. airspace I'm pretty sure that would count as being under attack.

  • It won a prize? Can anybody enter a bomb? Does it need to be a bomb or just something extremely destructive? Can I enter my intestine destroying meatloaf of doom?

  • by eln (21727) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:43PM (#38880737) Homepage
    You already have a giant phallic bomb called a MASSIVE (ordnance) PENETRATOR and it's not good enough for you? Does everyone in the Pentagon have such a small penis or is it just the people in charge of purchasing?
  • As in life, a little pillow talk (State Department), should mitigate any shortcomings (DoD) you may think you have.
  • by PortHaven (242123) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:48PM (#38880831) Homepage

    Sequential Bombing System.... where a sequence of bombs is dropped concurrently in short succession. (ie: 4-8 bombs in a 60-120 second interval).

    But SBS is a lame sounding name. How can that compete with Mother of All Bombs (MOAB)

    How about Bombing On Sequence System (BOSS)

    Now the BOSS BOMB has a nice Pentagon expenditure feeling way. Essentially the delivery system should transit from the bomber to target via a cruise delivery system. Which would contain 4-8 war heads each about a 1/4 to 1/2 of MOABs size. The delivery unit would circle target while releasing the individual warheads which would each be guided to their target at about 15-30 second intervals. Allowing the first bomb to detonate and blow a crater while the next bomb hits the new exposed area, so on and so on. Tests would need to be completed to determine the amount of time necessary between individual warhead impacts for optimum penetration.

    ---

    Proposed solution to MOAB. Build big ballon under first layer of protection with lots of vents. When MOAB hits it explodes, but instead of crushing your super secret facilitity (that was obviously not secret enough if it's being bombed), the balloon detonates the bomb early and above and allows the pressure to escape through hundreds of vent area.

    Bomb two, kills you...GAME OVER

    • by twotacocombo (1529393) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @04:03PM (#38881033)
      Each successive bomb would have to hit the exact same spot, and blow through a layer of debris in an ever-changing target zone. This isn't water torture, this is blowing the motherloving shit out of a huge chunk of reinforced concrete. You don't kill a tank by shooting it with an AK-47 a hundred times, you hit it once with something that will penetrate. The effects of lesser attacks are not necessarily cumulative.
    • Personally, this sounds like a use case for kinetic bombardment--drop titanium telephone poles on them from orbit.
  • by iggymanz (596061) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:52PM (#38880901)

    Will Iran war be Obama's October Surprise? Triggered perhaps by false flag or provoked attack?

  • by idontgno (624372) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:55PM (#38880943) Journal
    Kill 'em from orbit! [wikipedia.org]
  • Yet more waste.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by E_Ron.Eous (2521544) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:58PM (#38880981)
    From the Department of Defense which should be renamed to the Department of Wasting Tax Dollars..
  • by wisebabo (638845) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @04:10PM (#38881135) Journal

    From TFA "secretly submit a request to Congress for funding"; so I guess it isn't a secret now is it?

    Anyway, if ONE bomb can penetrate 200ft. and supposedly laser enhanced GPS targeting can allow almost pinpoint accuracy, how deep can two or more bombs go? I know it wouldn't be linear but even an additional 50ft. would be worth something.

    Or maybe the air defenses around these installations (they must be the most highly protected items in the whole country) would make getting off more than one too dangerous?

  • by NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @04:13PM (#38881181)
    I know, it would be a radical departure from the traditional Teller-Ulam fission/fusion design and may not yield nearly as much bang, but a pure fusion bomb would be much cleaner. Everyone knows how important cleanliness is when starting a war. We could send drones with fusion bombs practically anywhere we suspected 'rouge' nations to be plotting WMDs. By nuking them with fusion, we could cleanly demonstrate just how dangerous such power is in the hand of those who might abuse it WITHOUT leaving behind any fissionable materials that may be traced back to us or cause 'collateral damage'. Definitely a 'win-win' for stopping nuclear proliferation and increasing jobs at home via the American military industrial complex. The only question, "How could you build such a tidy-bomb?" I see a patent opportunity.
    • Use a small bottle of anti-matter to trigger the fusion reaction. Currently the world's total supply of anti-matter has the energy equivalent of a match head, I leave the production of more as an exercise to the reader.
      • by Chrontius (654879)
        Antimatter triggered fission is brick-simple and relatively trivial. Antimatter triggered fusion is ... harder.

        Laser-initiated fusion is possible as well, perhaps replacing all your large high power equipment with a flux compression ("bomb-pumped") generator. (This is distinct from a "bomb pumped laser", which is a term referring to an x-ray laser powered by an atomic explosion)

        The pure-fusion bombs spoken of by NicknamesAreStupid are also known in a few publications as "fourth generation nuclear we
  • It's never enough. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Beelzebud (1361137) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @04:53PM (#38881699)
    When your business is to wage war, there is never enough.
  • by WaffleMonster (969671) on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @04:56PM (#38881751)

    It is disingenuous to claim US does not have the ordinance to destroy Iranian underground facilities. It clearly does.

    The most important question is not "how" but "why".

    • by Khashishi (775369)

      War isn't about military superiority. It's about politics and economics. It simply wouldn't do to nuke Iran with the purported goal of reducing the threat of nuclear warfare.

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