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Wine 1.4 Released 168

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vinn writes "Wine 1.4 was released today and includes support for a wide range of applications, including Office 2010. There are some major architectural changes, including a built-in DIB engine for better graphics display and a new audio stack designed around the newer Vista / Win 7 system and integrated into the native audio system. Almost every other subsystem received substantial updates, including Direct3D, the Gecko-based web browsing components, and better internationalization. The release notes contain more detail and you can download the source code now, or wait for packages to appear soon."
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  • by GameboyRMH (1153867) <gameboyrmh@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @01:45PM (#39276665) Journal

    Full bodied with a distinct Windowsy flavor.

    • by ByOhTek (1181381)

      You mean it tastes like glass? But I don't want to have my throat sliced up by broken glass!

      That being said, anything that can keep me in FreeBSD more, and Windows 7 less, without losing the programs I like, is a good thing.

      • by Nutria (679911) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:51PM (#39277479)

        But I don't want to have my throat sliced up by broken glass!

        Wah, wah! Baby wants a Zima!

      • Re:First Wine Post (Score:5, Interesting)

        by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@NOspaM.gmail.com> on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @03:39PM (#39278355) Journal

        What's wrong with Win 7? While I can't stand Metro, thought Vista was too damned buggy, and hated the Fisher Price UI of WinXP I'd have to say I find Win 7 to be VERY nice, right up there with my beloved XP X64 and Win2K. How we lived without breadcrumbs and jumplists is beyond me, going back to any previous version now feels like going back to Win9x as losing those features really sucks.

        Speaking of Win9X are they still working on a Windows version? I heard rumors a couple of years back and the one thing I miss about XP was its great Win9X support for old games. How good is Wine on its DirectX 6/7/8 support? Can it run the more PITA games like Mechwarrior 3 and i76? I really miss those games but I always end up with the "jumping bug" on MW3 and i76 has some serious timing issues if you aren't running a single core or running below 2GHz. Has anyone cooked up a "Wine in a box" LiveCD for gaming so one doesn't have to install a whole OS just to run it? How good is its hardware acceleration? I haven't had a chance to run it since I sold my dual boot XP/Xandros laptop in 09 so I'm a little behind here. Is its support for the older stuff better than XP?

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          What's wrong with Win 7?

          You have to click on something to scroll it, no always on top menu item (even though th OS supports it), no tabbed file browsing, window title text looks terrible, the list goes on. basically a whole host of minor annoyances that really add up

          • by dudpixel (1429789)

            get KatMouse - it fixes the scrolling issue :) awesome little tool (and no its not mine).

        • by nschubach (922175)

          I just need to put something out here:

          I freaking hate breadcrumbs ... I enjoyed how the old Explorer used to automatically open the tree folders to the current folder (and now that's a half implemented option... and there are no more tree lines!) As a programmer, I find myself frequently in the depths of large trees of code and it's nice to be able to simply copy/paste between working branches and trunks for code when needed. Without the tree view auto-navigating and the lines it makes finding the approp

          • by pnutjam (523990)
            I agree, breadcrumbs suck!
          • This might be handy for any W7 users reading this.

            - To get the current address on the breadcrumbs, you can right click on any crumb and choose copy address.

            - If you click the icon left of the breadcrumbs ( or white space on the right ) it will reveal the folder path and highlight it ready for copying.

            - There is a folder tree view in explorer if you expand the 'Computer' section in the left pane. To have it always expand to the folder being viewed: Tools, Folder Options, General Tab, Tick 'Automatically expa

            • by nschubach (922175)

              But if you want a particular folder name, it's much more involved than it used to be. Previously, just double clicking the folder name would select it. Now it changes to that folder.

              Clicking on the icon or CTRL-L... both are an extra step in trying to reveal the real address so you can select part of it. I don't feel the breadcrumbs offer that much more usability to warrant the extra step.

              The folder view doesn't have relationship lines so when you are in a deep nest of source files, it's hard to correlat

        • Aw damn I was hoping to go back and play MW3 and i76 on my Win7 gaming PC. I have an old XP computer converted to a VM that I can run OpenGL games on.

          If the problem with i76 is similar to the problem with WipeoutXL and Shipwreckers, it's tied to the CPU speed and the only thing that can help is a CPU slowdown utility.

          • by hairyfeet (841228)

            Hell you may have luck, a few chips such as the Pentium Ds and early Core chips don't seem to have the trouble playing them. This is why I think to have patents and copyrights on software you should be required to put the source code in escrow and then if the company refuses to support their customers with patches to allow the games to play the code should be released as we are losing a LOT of Win9x era games to the ravages of time, software too. There was just so many hacks and tricks they could do then be

        • by Tyrannosaur (2485772) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:45PM (#39281355)

          What's wrong with Win 7?

          It can't run on Linux

          • by Tyrannosaur (2485772) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @06:46PM (#39281367)

            EDIT: It can't run on *my* Linux. I'm still on a Pentium 4 :'(

            • by hairyfeet (841228)

              Well you didn't hear this from me but you CAN run Win 7 on a P4, in fact I've run it on as low as a Sempron 1.8GHz with 1.5Gb of RAM. What you'll want is a copy of "Windows 7 Tiny Edition" which is a hacked gamer edition that has incredibly low system requirements. Slap any Win 7 compatible AGP card (The Geforce 7 series is plentiful and cheap, as is the Radeon HD24xx cards) and you have a pretty decent little Win 7 box. the only thing you really need to change is to set up a normal limited user (since its

        • by dudpixel (1429789)

          What's wrong with Win 7?

          I could list a bunch of complaints, but I thought I'd answer you by telling you what my wife says about windows 7.

          She's not a technical user, and she complains about how slow it is. Everything is slow. Linux took under a minute to start up on the same machine (to a usable gui), yet win7 takes over 2 minutes, probably more. Its probably an extra minute until you can actually click or do anything in the GUI.

          I dont use windows much so I cant really say much more than that - other than its still a mess the way

          • by ByOhTek (1181381)

            How old is the machine? I have a circa-vista Core2 Duo, and it loads up Windows 7 really fast (definitely faster than Linux did, when I was experimenting with it), and performs quite smoothly.

            I haven't had to frequently reinstall windows since Windows 2000. What do you do to your boxes?

            • by dudpixel (1429789)

              I have a quad-core AMD machine, 4GB RAM, 2TB disk.

              I dont know what it is except that its windows and over time it slows down. I haven't reinstalled it since about 12 months ago, and that wasn't for performance reasons.

              I'm not sure what the problem is, and I really dont have enough patience with windows to bother finding out. Its just slow. Linux has always been faster in daily use in my experience, but then I use linux daily and I use windows for letting my kids watch DVDs occasionally (I dont have a tv, st

              • by ByOhTek (1181381)

                o.O Core 2 Duo + 2GB mem + 320GB disk here...

                Heh, that's my experience with a Mac, that's why I hackintoshed a computer - I don't pay the overhead, but I can familiarize myself with the OS.

        • by ByOhTek (1181381)

          The window borders are too large, (from vista, but still in 7) the input field color cant be set different from the window background color. The window borders and buttons are ugly and distracting.

        • by ByOhTek (1181381)

          Oh, and replacing text with buttons in the file browsing location bar is extremely irritating, I know it only takes half a second or so to get it to show text, but it's each time you access it, and that gets annoying quick.

        • What's wrong with Win 7?

          I think it has it's strengths. I have one laptop with it and one with Ubuntu. I noticed in your post that you only compared it to other Windows OS's and I think that when you are using other OS's, which also have their issues, that you'll see some of the limitations in the Windows world. The main thing I think is wrong with Windows in general and this includes Windows 7 is that it is sluggish compared to Ubuntu, Linux Mint, FreeBSD and so on. I used to dual-boot my Windows laptop and I always felt like some

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by sconeu (64226)

      An impertinent little release, with a bold, fruity taste.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      How to tell if WINE vintages are good:

      The weather for that year: were the programmers working in enough darkness? Did they get too much sunlight?

      Soil: Did the program get developed on a recent Linux distro?

      Food: Did the programmers get enough coffee, colas, pizza and beer? VERY IMPORTANT.

      If the programmers were put on a strict vegan diet while working in a tropical environment and spending their free time on the beach, well you might as well just have a Windows machine.

  • by G3ckoG33k (647276) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @01:48PM (#39276717)

    Sadly the Debian bins are still at rc3 - http://www.winehq.org/download/debian [winehq.org]

    Still, thank you all for the fantastic project called Wine!

    • by impaledsunset (1337701) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:16PM (#39277041)

      Debian hasn't packaged 1.2 yet, these are third-party packages.

      http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585409 [debian.org]

      Apparently one of the issues why the newer versions can't be packaged is that the maintainer wants to package and upload all versions between the last one and 1.4 in order. Since nobody has the time to do so, there isn't any progress towards packaging the newer ones.

      • by G3ckoG33k (647276)

        This is why I linked to Kai's page, as he is the one who has been the reliable source for Wine.

  • Blast from the past (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Picass0 (147474) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @01:53PM (#39276775) Homepage Journal

    It's truthfully been ages since I've thought about Wine.

    Question directed at Wine users - how does it stack up against VMware, Virtualbox or the other virtual machine servers?

    • by Cornwallis (1188489) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @01:59PM (#39276843)

      i've been using it within Fedora and Mint with Office 2003 and Photoshop (and previously with Dreamweaver) and had no problems. I would say my experience is that the applications have been running faster than under Virtualbox - which I do use for testing builds on a fairly regular basis. YMMV.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @01:59PM (#39276851)

      Those need a Windows license. Wine doesn't.

      • I believe you mean "those need a Windows OS to be installed and maintained". No virtual Windows machine I've ever seen hasn't had the gentle attention of an activator. Or been installed from a preactivated all-versions torrent.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      how does it stack up against VMware, Virtualbox or the other virtual machine servers?

      That's a little like asking how the Toyota Prius stacks up against a Boeing 727. While technically both are able to get you from Boston to New York, they have completely different use cases.

      Virtual machine servers are intended to run an entire alternate operating system (under which you can run whatever applications you want). Wine, on the other hand, is intended to allow you to run Windows programs *without having Windows at all*.

      • Remember also that there are two parts to Wine: there's the runtime environment (take a compiled PE file and run it on another architecture) that most people think of, but the more interesting part is the libraries: you can take a piece of source code written for Windows 7 and compile it against the Wine libs to run on pretty much any other architecture.

        That said, my main use for Wine has been to create portable OS X bundles of Windows apps, with all the config files, etc. being inside the application bundl

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      It's truthfully been ages since I've thought about Wine.

      Question directed at Wine users - how does it stack up against VMware, Virtualbox or the other virtual machine servers?

      Depends. If you need something that "just works" most of the time, you're probably going to want to do a virtual machine. The problems though can be extensive, namely in terms of performance. Games, for example, typically run like boiled crap in a VM. However, some stuff works okay that way, even if it's a rather ham-fisted way to do it (why virtualize an entire machine if all I need is Outlook?).

      Wine still has its quriks but the performance it gives is substantially better (quick bench: World of Warcr

    • by Geeky (90998) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:04PM (#39276915)

      Same here. When I used Linux regularly I eventually switched to VMWare for running Windows, as Wine didn't really cut it (probably talking about ten years ago, though...).

      Eventually I realised that I was spending 90% of my time using either a web browser or a Windows applications (Photoshop and Lightroom) and I might as well run Windows on the bare metal. With tools like Cygwin and LAMP I have most of what I'd miss from Linux, so I guess I've done it the other way round; made Windows more like Linux rather than Linux more like Windows.

    • by Maquis196 (535256)

      Comparing wine to a full system emulator is your first mistake. It's more akin to running things in a chroot then an emulator. Performance wise it's great as long as the program you are using works perfectly.

      I'm a super admin very a couple of dozen games on the appdb with ratings between garbage and platinum and the truth is that nowadays I'm disappointed where wine doesn't run something out the box. It's older games that it struggles with, for instance RAGE worked out the box for me yet something like Star

      • by Progman3K (515744)

        I hear you. I would so love if Wine could run Rogue Squadron... But even on Windows, that game was a little too peculiar.

        Haven't tried running it in years, now.

        One really pleasant surprise was being invited to a LAN party and installing Counterstrike. Its performance was flawless.

        Cheers to the Wine developers!

    • Great, sometimes (Score:5, Informative)

      by brunes69 (86786) <slashdot AT keirstead DOT org> on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:06PM (#39276927) Homepage

      When Wine works well, it is far superior to running the app in a VM, for a number of reasons

      - Performance - When an app runs well under Wine, it runs as fast as it does under Windows on the same machine, or sometimes it runs even faster. Running under a VM is never as fast as running native on the same hardware.

      - Desktop integration - When an app is installed under Wine, it automatically integrates with your GNOME/KDE desktop... the application is available in the menu, same window manager, etc. Yes there are solutions for this under VMs like VMWare Fusion, but it is not as clean and frankly usually is buggy as all get out.

      When an app runs in Wine well, I prefer to run it that way over a VM. VMs are much better though to be sure the app is running the exact way it was meant to run.

      • Wine won't run some games as well because the nVidia and especially ATI/AMD graphics card drivers for Linux aren't as good as the ones for Windows. The performance difference is something you can live with, but if you want to squeeze the most visual beauty out of your expensive video card you'll have to do it under Windows.
      • VirtualBox has a 'seemless mode' for gnome/kde integration.
        The only performance cost I've hit with VMs is if you don't have the ram, there is no real CPU performance hit.
        I love win when it works, but that usually requires you to run it against software made for win 2000/XP unless it is popular enough for people to get fixes submitted upsteam (WoW)

    • by Blaskowicz (634489) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:11PM (#39276989)

      you get working 3D acceleration. never got that to run under Virtualbox even though you only have to check a box, and somehow other people have it working. your I/O is not slow and CPU hungry it seems. but compatibility is still hit or miss - I'm talking about games mainly. my wine 1.3.28 just crapped at running return to castle wolfenstein and even with warcraft III I have stuttering sound. but I should update my 1.3 via ppa.

      my great plan is to switch to IOMMU virtualisation, running presumably Xen. a physical graphics card will be passed-thru to a windows gaming-only VM. but I need new hardware (an asrock mobo with 970 chipset, I will go from 2GB ddr2 to 8GB ddr3). I also fear that it may be a pain in the ass and ill supported, and needing a VGA switch or a KVM.

      • by domatic (1128127)

        There are native Linux binaries for RtCW. You don't have to run that one in Wine.

      • The Xen + IOMMU setup is what I use and it works great once you get it setup. Hardware selection is the key to making it less painful to setup. Specifically, if you try to use an nVidia card as the passthrough card, you are in for a world of pain but, an ATI 6800 series is essentially an out of the box experience once you configure the bootloader to block the device from dom0. You'll also need to be careful which distro you use. The Debian flavor of distros do an awesome job of setting up grub to do the

        • thanks a lot!, it's hard to get accounts on this setup, besides a few youtube videos.

          Yes I was planning an ATI card for windows (first a cheap one then maybe a radeon 7770), and my 8400GS for linux. dedicate a USB controller, easy enough (I can even use an old USB 1 card). yes, passing through random devices looks fun. you can use a both on-board and discrete sound cards, etc. I will have to get a damn USB to PS/2 adapter (one that works) and the USB KVM is another expense but it's not too bad.

          Do you run th

    • by Hatta (162192)

      No contest. If it works in Wine, it's far nicer to use under Wine. VMs are a lot more compatible, because they run the entire OS, but it doesn't integrate as nicely as Wine does. When you run a program with Wine, you're running a native program just using winelib instead of win32.

      • Most of the things you'd want Windows for (DirectX games) don't work any better in a VM than in Wine anyway (in fact a lot of code has been shared back and forth between Wine and VirtualBox), so VMs rarely have an advantage in terms of app compatibility.

    • It's not a virtual machine, it's a reimplementation of the windows API.

      That aside, I play last-gen games (like the Mass Effect 3 Demo) with great performance. That's imposible inside any VM.

    • by k31bang (672440)

      Question directed at Wine users - how does it stack up against VMware, Virtualbox or the other virtual machine servers?

      I can run Photoshop CS4 in wine with no major issues. I had been using Virtuabox before that, and I found the performance to be better with wine. (This was with an Athlon XP 1.4 GHz + 1256 megs of ram with Linux Mint)

    • Question directed at Wine users - how does it stack up against VMware, Virtualbox or the other virtual machine servers?

      Its approximately infinitely better if you want to use software designed for Windows without actually purchasing or pirating Windows.

      On the other hand, its worse than Windows-in-a-VM if you want to test how something runs under Windows.

    • by Darinbob (1142669)

      VMware is big and bulky, it runs the entire machine inside an emulator. You install Windows inside the emulator. You can use VMware on machines with different architectures. Wine does not work that way, it uses the native processor and it emulates Windows through libraries and DLLs. So it's a lot less overhead. Ie, you'd be very hard pressed to get good game performance out of VMware but people do use Wine for games a lot.

    • by nurb432 (527695)

      How does it compare to vmware? Huh? Those are different tools to solve different problems and work differently.

      Why not compare iPads to cars too?

    • by LingNoi (1066278)

      VMWare, Virtual box and other virtual machines are well.. virtual machines, they require running an operating system on top of an operating system to run your windows app. WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator) project doesn't do this.

      WINE provides a set of APIs which translates windows API calls to BSD and Linux ones. For example, your windows application might call an api to open a directx window where as in wine it will have the same API name and inside that function call open an openGL window.

      Doing this doesn't

  • Der Führer has a love/hate relationship with it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcvkbrwDuaY [youtube.com]

    • adolf@reichsbox:~$: mv .wine wine_bak; sudo apt-get remove --purge wine; sudo apt-get install wine

      Or alternatively "cp -pR .wine wine_bak" before screwing around with winetricks.

      • by SiChemist (575005)

        I just run every app in its own separate bottle. I have this alias in my .bashrc:

        alias bottle='export WINEARCH=win32 WINEPREFIX=`pwd` && winecfg'

        I open a terminal, CD in the directory that I want my windows program to go into and then type 'bottle'. It opens the winecfg panel and I make any adjustments needed. Then I run the installer from that terminal. Everything else is automagic. Program shortcuts are created with the appropriate env WINEPREFIX="blahblah" and work perfectly. As long as you

  • How does the new audio system affect multiple soundcard support? Is it improved?
  • Which apps? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by unixisc (2429386) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @02:51PM (#39277475)

    Better question I can think of - which Windows apps does one want to run under Linux/BSD? Office? IE? Chrysis? I checked out 2 versions of Minesweeper - one under Wine, and one native in Linux. Preferred the native one. Of course, if I prefer Office 2003 to Calligra Suite (I still find Office 2007 a pain to work w/), I might prefer Wine. Maybe QuickBooks could use Wine? That's one of the few apps I can think of that doesn't have a good replacement in Linux.

    But honestly, I think a lot of apps could use a WABI like approach. In the past, they suffered, but the main reason for that was that WABI was about running Wintel binaries on RISC based Unixstations, such as Suns, HP-9000s, RS/6000 workstations and so on. But heck, NT on RISC itself couldn't run Wintel binaries, so it's no surprise that these platforms did worse. But w/ any Intel based Unix - be it Linux, BSD or whatever, that should not be an issue. If I'm working in an X based desktop, such as KDE or GNOME or something similar, I don't expect my applications to look like Windows to the point that even the Window menus and everything have to be identical: a KDE or GNOME look & feel is okay.

    I think a better goal would be that instead of targetting Office 2010, which like 2007 is a new UI - ribbons & everything, make the native Linux Offices - LibreOffice, Calligra Suite, et al as similar to Office 2003 as possible, and promote that to users. I had been a long time Office 2003 user, and I find 2007 tough to navigate, despite being so fluent w/ its predecessor. And I'm not a typical lay user. So if the new Office suites were to target 2003 and win over their users, a lot would have been achieved. Similarly, use Wine for things like QuickBooks, while in the meantime, hopefully, add something in the KDE Office apps suite to work w/ it, and hopefully make some arrangements w/ banks to support it.

    I have no suggestions about the games. Only thing I think would be good - something like Windows Movie Maker - dunno whether OpenShot video editor fits the bill. Cinerella and Avidemux are way too complicated.

    I do hope that ReactOS matures soon, so that by the time MS has cleaned up its act on Windows 8, ReactOS is a good enough replacement for both XP and 7.

    • Re:Which apps? (Score:4, Informative)

      by LordLucless (582312) on Wednesday March 07, 2012 @05:50PM (#39280601)

      The following are the apps that I run under Wine (just to give you an idea):
      - World of Warcraft
      - Audible
      - Goldwave Pro (to un-DRM the Audible files)
      My wife also uses some website's proprietary software to assemble photo albums, which are then uploaded, printed, bound, and shipped to her.

      • by unixisc (2429386)
        It would be interesting to play Civ under it. I still have an old Civ2 which I sometimes play, but I'd like to try FreeCiv out. I do hope some of the features from later editions of the game, such as Civ3, Civ4 and Civ5 are adapted by FreeCiv.
  • can I watch netflix on linux?
  • About the only reason I would want to run WINE is to run [shutter] Internet Explorer so I can access some damn [private/business] web sites that STILL don't support anything else.

    And yet WINE *STILL* cannot run Internet Explorer 7+ worth a damn (last ratings from 1.4.X)! Wouldn't one think that would be high on the list?

    http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=25 [winehq.org] (IE9 = garbage, IE 8 = bronze, IE 7 = bronze/garbage)

    Since it is not tested by anyone under 1.4 yet, I guess I shoul

    • by markdavis (642305)

      >"worth a damn (last ratings from 1.4.X)!"

      Sorry, that is a typo and should read:

      "worth a damn (last ratings from 1.3.X)!"

    • by unixisc (2429386)
      If this Wine is compatible w/ Vista, shouldn't it run IE9 w/ ease? Also, in what way would Wine be supporting Vista but not Win7?

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