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New submitter drinkydoh writes "In an announcement today, Microsoft has finally said that Windows 8 is now complete. Microsoft has begun delivering RTM versions to manufacturers and the general availability of the tablets and computers using Windows 8 will be on October 26th. 'Microsoft's final milestone concludes almost two years of development for its new Metro-inspired Windows 8 software and marks the beginning of the release phase. Microsoft says MSDN and TechNet customers will be able to download it from August 15th. Windows Store will go live on August 15th. Developers will be able to access the final tools and submission process for Metro style apps at the Windows Dev Center later this month.'"
Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft seems to repeat mistakes don't they? DOS 4.0, Bob, ME, Vista; the public reaction to all should have been predictable enough that somebody in a corporation their size should have been able to see it coming and delay or abort the release of those turds. But no, they dropped em all and took the abuse and ridicule while apparently learning nothing. Now comes Windows 8.
Maybe they will have time to get Windows 9 right, maybe not. That is what has changed, before they were an unstoppable monopoly and now? We shall see. They have offended their OEM partners with the Surface tablet, the Developers, Developers, Developers! with the knifing of Silverlight and apparently the beginning of the end for both Win32 and .NET and I'm not convinced customers are going to be all that happy with what is about to be rammed down their thoat. All at a time when their monopoly is threatened like never before. The desktop PC itself is being questioned for most users, Office is threatened by Cloud apps and even the long standing stranglehold of Blackberry + Exchange is not looking very healthy about now.
Netcraft hasn't confirmed it yet but Microsoft just might be dying. And after hating on them for decades I'm not entirely sure I'm going to applaud when they exit the stage. The PC is likely to go with them, by which I mean the open platform anyone can write programs for and create add on hardware, etc. The post Microsoft future looks like a grim world of sealed media consumption devices for most and a return to 'workstations' for the select who can afford machines costing as much as a car.
Few will question anymore that Apple is a dark force of DRM and lockin. And the release of the Nexus 7 shows Google to be fast getting in touch with their Evil side. The only major difference (other than a model years' worth of hardware refresh) between it and the equally sealed up Amazon Fire is which app/media ecosystem it is bundled to.
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Funny)
PC era gone? but wait... Steam is coming to Linux! We're saved!
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Too bad the only games that will follow onto the Linux steam platform are games you've already beaten 5 or 6 years ago on the PC.
Best of luck getting Valve to convince other dev studios to port games to Linux at a huge expense, when the audience simply isn't there. Linux on the desktop is dead. It's linux on the "device" that has a chance. I know why Valve is pushing towards Linux because the Windows 8 App store will eat their lunch, but realistically nothing is going to change. Windows 8 has gotten more idiot proof than usual, and that's what draws in people that don't already somehow have a PC.
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 8 has gotten more idiot proof than usual, and that's what draws in people that don't already somehow have a PC.
Thing is, make something idiot proof, the universe evolves a better class of idiots.
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Windows 8 has gotten more idiot proof than usual, and that's what draws in people that don't already somehow have a PC.
Thing is, make something idiot proof, the universe evolves a better class of idiots.
Idiots are so ingenious that they've written themselves an OS.
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If the rumors (which I personally don't believe) of a Linux-powered Steam Console are true, that's incentive enough.
The Ouya (or however the fuck it's spelled) managed to get somewhat-mainstream promises of support, and that's for a low-power, crowd-funded Android console. You take Valve, possibly the best game studio on the planet (and definitely the best self-funded studio), who already has a large-scale relationship with most publishers and has experimented with acting as a publisher itself, and have *TH
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Gamers used to be very willing to boot to a gaming OS. It was standard to have a "gaming" configuration of DOS and a "windows" configuration in the Windows 3.0/3.1/95 days. I see no reason if Linux had strong gaming support that their wouldn't be gamer machines sold with Linuxes tweaked to optimize gaming. That honestly is a pretty good niche for Linux, a place where custom kernel could really matter. And heck the hardware OEMs would probably love a product where they could do a real value ad and make
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Interesting)
According to The Ed Bott Report on ZDNet [zdnet.com], Microsoft is turning over an entirely new leaf in its history by taking cues from Apple and developing its own hardware/software "ecosystem" (I hate that term) and alienating its OEMs which have been just as slow and lackluster as Microsoft has been over the last few years.
If we accept Bott's analysis as at least somewhat valid, Microsoft may be on the road to recovery--at least if they develop and release products that people desire.
They're already copying Apple and Google's consistent theme (copying "Metro" UI elements to their rebranded Hotmail, outlook.com) and they're developing software and hardware together. Perhaps he's right and this will bode well for Microsoft in the future.
However, there is the part of me that says that those people who want that sort of thing had already jumped ship to Apple's own "ecosystem" and everyone else was just fine staying with Microsoft because of whatever reason (cost, support, application support, familiarity, etc).
Personally I think the Metro UI (and the other unified design deals) is ridiculous and meaningless for me to get my work done and it's not going to make me move away from other products I've been using more recently. However, perhaps it will work and their demise as stated by you may be averted for another few years.
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OEMs are what made Microsoft what it is. They've tolerated a small amount of Microsoft branding, but if Microsoft rocks that boat too much, then Redmond better have a big plan to make up for what is basically the foundation on which the whole company is built. Microsoft deciding to become like IBM of old at this point, so far as I can see, carries substantial risks (though, of course, if it works, would have substantial rewards).
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I can see where Microsoft is coming from actually. Dell, HP, etc. add almost nothing anymore. They all just rebadge stuff made in the same Chinese factories Apple, the phone makers, etc. gets their stuff from. So why leave the profits currently going to Dell and friends on the table? Cut out the middleman AND gain agility to innovate. The downside of course that with that vast 'PC' ecosystem out there competing it ensures that one lame batch of designers can't kill off the PC as a platform. And Microsoft has never been known as a 'innovator' or even particularly creative. They ain't no Apple. Heck, they have never been known to even play at the level of a Sony or Samsung. They better get really good, really fast because they have pretty much declared open season on the OEM partners.
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The problem here is that HP and Dell both have significant inroads into the corporate, small and medium sized business worlds (well, Acer and Lenovo are also doing alright there as well). If Microsoft sets itself up as a competitor to these companies, this is going to significantly alter the landscape. I can well imagine these companies looking at throwing resources behind something like Android and making a corporate version of it.
I think if it's just tablets, then it's a pretty small portion of the whole
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Microsoft is no longer without competition, and if it starts biting the hand that has fed it for a quarter century, it may find that that competition suddenly starts getting a lot more attention.
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:4, Informative)
The IBM PC was the one strange thing in that you could install any OS on it.
My TRS-80 ran TRS-DOS, UltraDOS, DOSPlus, NewDOS/80, LDOS,..
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The IBM PC was the one strange thing in that you could install any OS on it.
No it was just as locked down. Microsoft, Intel and Western Digital created the standard that allowed IBM compatibles to get compatible enough that this became a multi vendor platform with Intel and Microsoft in the driver's seat.
You would prefer Apple? (Score:3)
but Microsoft just might be dying
Much as I might have loved that headline 10 years ago, now the thought of Apple becoming a dominant force in the PC market scares the shit out of me. Goodbye MS monopoly, hello Apple walled garden. At least MS has the common courtesy to at least try to hide their evil.
Microsoft has a long future ahead of them (Score:4, Insightful)
But one thing's for damned certain: their days of dominance are over. OVER! YES!!!!!!!!!
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Interesting)
First, Microsoft usually doesn't view much of anything as a total failure. Like many, they view their mistakes as market research. When they do something really wrong, they learn from it.
Bob may have been a failure, but they learned a lot from it, and it lead to other products like the (also abhorred but largely successful) MS Agent technology (aka clippy, fido, etc..)
Neither ME or Vista were failures per se. ME was never intended to be anything other than a stopgap. MS had intended to transition Windows 9x users to Windows 2000, but when that got pushed back to XP, MS had to come up with a stopgap for OEM's to provide new hardware support. It was held together with chewing gum and twine, to try and extend the life for just a few months more...
Vista, likewise, was not a failure either, in that it was never intended to be a success. It was a "hatchet man", that was put out in order to get ISV's and OEM's to follow the new security rules. It was also intended to be really annoying so that vendors would fix their software to be UAC friendly. MS knew Windows 7 would come along and replace it, and by then the issues would be solved both in vendors and software.
DOS 4 was just a huge steaming pile, though.
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Not to mention a lot of Vista's problems were due to driver issues and not necessarily MS's
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Although I agree that W8 is a clusterfuck of epic proportions, a lot of what you say just doesn't hold water.
That is what has changed, before they were an unstoppable monopoly and now?
They're still an unstoppable monopoly; try buying a PC with a different OS.
I'm not convinced customers are going to be all that happy with what is about to be rammed down their thoat.
Their customers are OEMs and enterprises, not you or me. I'm not their customer, Acer is; I'm Acer's customer. Enterprise customers are likely to skip 8 like they did Vista, we'll see whether or not OEMs start shipping Linux desktops (I, for one, would be happy if they did).
All at a time when their monopoly is threatened like never before.
Their monopoly is in desktop operating systems and office software, where is the threat?
The desktop PC itself is being questioned for most users
For every home computer, there are ten in the workplace, the tablet may replace PCs in most homes, but I wouldn't bet too much money on it.
Office is threatened by Cloud apps
Pure marketing hype. "The cloud" is unlikely to gain traction among enterprise users, even very many home users.
"The post Microsoft future looks like" Mark Twain, who said "reports of my death are greatly exaggerated". Mocrosoft isn't even in the doctor's office, let alone the grave. And if Microsoft went away, OEMs would just use Linux or Android or BSD. Computers aren't going away any time soon.
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Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think they're killing it off, but it the "new VB". MS has rediscovered native code [alejandrosegovia.net], so WinRT is entirely unmanaged, the .NET libs have been reworked to simply pass-through to the WinRT functionality and some minor parts removed.
All native and cloud development is moving towards C++ again, so .NET is left as a desktop development environment. Given the performance fixes are not making it back into the desktop versions of the old libs and I doubt any additional features will be ported there (except security), and that the concept is that your Metro code for the PC can also run on a table or a phone, and the native push for those environments, I think you can see how .NET development is now a 'you can, but...' partner, not the primary focus for development.
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Informative)
The .NET libs have always passed through to the native code, At some point native code must be called in order to function.
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Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Informative)
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Ug, couldn't ya have posted a shorter page. :)
So Google and Moz are pissed that only Microsoft can get to native code but googling does seem to confirm that some layer other than just the hyped html5 stuff is being partly exposed on ARM but Metro is the only permitted API. Confusing. Meh, they will either break down and allow third party native code or nobody is going to care about WinRT. Even Google relented on the Java or bust dictate with Android. I'm betting then also give in and let 3rd parties por
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Before they had a monopoly. OEMs had no choice, neither did customers. You ran Windows, whether this year's version sucked or not. If you were an enterprise you had the option to get your new machines licensed with the non-sucking version but end users just sucked it up.
That is what is now in doubt. Will people just sigh and buy that PC with the Win8 turd on the drive anyway, because they still feel they have no other choice, or do they go ahead and move to a tablet. Cut total boxes shipped in half and the economies of scale come into question in a world where even flat sales is considered a disaster by the stock market. AMD will certainly be dead leaving Intel to carry the workstation CPU flag forward alone. Dell would survive but HP probably dies. Enough of the chop shops and builders leave and the flood of generic 'PC' motherboard and other parts start to dry up. That is the phones/tablets/consoles vs workstation future I worry about.
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Non-Apple consumer x86 sales are down 10% year over year. That tablet and cell phone replacement is already happening in consumer.
It was great when there were generous margins and rapidly growing sales.
It was good when margins tightened but sales still surged.
It was getting kinda sucky when margin collapsed but at least sales kept surging.
It got worse when sales flattened out.
Now we are facing the real possibility of sales collapsing.
Microsoft is doing what they can to fend that off. If they are going to
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:5, Informative)
> I really wish Valve would do a general App store, beyond games...
You don't get it do you. Value does, which is why they are prepared to run a Hail Mary pass; their balls are in a vise and they know it.
Once the Microsoft Market takes over there is no place for a third party store. The App stores aren't about the improved customer experience. They aren't about security. The whole point of the App Store model is everyone saw Apple rake off thirty thick juicy points from each and every sale and Microsoft wants in. If they don't do it today, they will do it next version; only App Store purchased apps will run and any 'in app' purchases will be required to be fulfilled through the app store, exactly the same rules as Apple so no possibility of an Anti-Trust action cranking up.
Steam on WIndows will be as impotent as Amazon is on iProducts.
And yes Apple will also eventually pull the trigger on OS X apps being required to come from the App Store, and for the same reason. To them the question is "Do we want 30% of the sticker price on Adobe's Creative Suite and all those high priced plugins, fonts, etc?" And if you ask that question the only possible answer is pretty obvious, isn't it?
Re:Let the bitching begin.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Apple doesn't make much money from the App store, even on iOS where it is mandatory. The cost of the App store covers the cost Apple overseeing and supervising the apps. What it does do, is make customers feel comfortable installing anything. And that allows for direct comparisons which drive the cost of software way down, which makes the hardware more valuable.
Interestingly its seem to have had that impact on high end apps as well, driving the cost of Apple's software down about 80%. Logic is down from $1k to $200, Aperture from $500 to $80, etc..
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It was the Vista of the MS-DOS series -- everyone decided it sucked without trying it.
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I'm fairly sure that software in Metro is only available through the Microsoft 'market' and must be 'vetted' by them. They get a cut of all sales as well of course.
Let the derisive laughter commence! (Score:3)
Where'd I put my popcorn?
This can only mean one thing (Score:5, Funny)
Lotus wont run!
Nor much of anything else for that matter.
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Lotus wont run!
Nor much of anything else for that matter.
Make that Lotus Notes and here's $39.99 !
Brace yourselves (Score:5, Funny)
Everyone on slashdot is about to become a UI expert.
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:5, Funny)
After using windows 8 for an hour you'll at least know what not to do.
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How? There's no Start button. 20 years of memory mapping, down the toilet.
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See, that's what they mean by intuitive UI design - it subtly forces you into doing the right thing (or, as it may be, into not doing the wrong thing). ~
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*) or are we supposed to call it UIX these days?
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:5, Funny)
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Yep. Every slashdot nerd should be forced to read The Non-Designers Design Book. We all (generally) can spot a good design, but very few of us can say WHY something is good. Once you can say why something is good, then you can actually design things that are good.
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:4, Insightful)
As if the UI is the worst thing about it...
Valve isn't lambasting windows 8, and porting all their games to Linux because of the UI
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There are actually a lot of good performance-based reasons to adopt Windows 8. I don't like Metro with a mouse and keyboard, but I might still upgrade to Windows 8 for the performance improvements.
The server side is even more interesting. AFAIK, this is the first Microsoft server OS that can be run without a GUI, using only PowerShell.
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Win 2008 can run headless. Here is now to do it. [trainsignal.com]
The more interesting thing is that Microsoft now requires all server apps be able to run without a GUI [msdn.com]. There was also a /. story about it [slashdot.org].
BTW, nice 4 digit /. UID. :)
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:5, Funny)
thats because you are viewing it in 2d only... its optimized for immersive 3d display technology on a 80 inch screen. just put on your 3d glasses and it will all make sense.
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:5, Informative)
No sub directories? The whole thing turns microscopic if you install too many things?
Uh... no... it pages.
Apps mixed in with what you're actually looking for? Ugh.
Uh... no... search results are categorized.
I don't dispute that you are a UI designer, but I seriously question whether you've actually used Windows 8 yet.
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Everyone on slashdot is about to become a UI expert.
Because it requires an expert on bovine biology to recognize bullshit.
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I'll have you know sir that not only do I have 40 years of UI experience but also AOEs as well. So I'm more then qualified to talk about vowels. Now consonants on the other hand I'm always QQ'n about.
Re:Brace yourselves (Score:4, Informative)
Everyone on slashdot is about to become a UI expert.
As Bob Dylan put it, you don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.
TERRIBLE! (Score:3, Informative)
The start menu is gone as are control panels and anything that resembles Windows 7. I spent 2 minutes searching for the "restart" command and eventually just clicked the power button. UGH... Terrible.... DO NOT INSTALL OVER YOUR WINDOWS 7 UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.
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Ive been using the beta for a while now. Yes a few things are oddly placed - you no longer hit start to stop your computer for one.
The new start menu actually rocks - My start menu use to be a horrid mess where all I did was use the Windows 7 search feature - Which is now how I use Windows 8 - Hit the start thing type the name of what you want hit enter
Windows 8 is in many ways MUCH MORE keyboard driven and geek centric - I like it really !
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you no longer hit start to stop your computer for one
The launch menu button hasn't been labeled "Start" since Windows XP. Sure, most of us still call it the Start Menu out of habit, and the icon used to bring it up is officially known as the "Start Orb", but your talking points are 6 years out of date.
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Re:TERRIBLE! (Score:5, Insightful)
So yeah, you still press Start to Stop your PC.
What is people's beef with starting a shutdown process?
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Re:TERRIBLE! (Score:4, Informative)
You just failed the Windows 8 IQ test. You are not forced to enter those things as all, you just couldn't find the "skip" button.
Re:TERRIBLE! (Score:4, Informative)
1) When you install Windows it asks for you to create a Microsoft Account (which asks for those items, none of which you are required to be valid), sign in with a Microsoft Account, or run as a local user. You can choose to be a local user, where you log in with a user name and password and aren't linked to any external services like mail or calendar.
2) The start menu is gone, so get used to that (although you can install a replacement that mimics it if you really want), but the old control panel is not, and the desktop including explorer is not. I don't know how you could possibly miss it.
3) As for restart, it's still in the most obvious places it used to be including when you log out, or on the crtl+alt+del screen. They did move it from the start screen (because how much sense does it make to press start to shut down?), but moved it to the settings (along with wifi, brightness, and other common options) which is accessible from any app, including the desktop.
Re:TERRIBLE! (Score:4, Informative)
For the RC^HP it was optional, but not that obvious (like a cop and reading your rights). In RTM you MUST use an e-mail account to install the non-enterprise OSes. You can make it all up but you will regret it.
They are ready to hit... (Score:5, Funny)
MS is ready to hit START BUTTON with Win8 production.
I can't not wait. (Score:4, Funny)
I guess it's time to upgrade from Me... is that even possible? I like Me. I feel like a failure.
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You LIKE ME?
There must be something seriously wrong with you.
Re:I can't not wait. (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah I like you... Is that bad?
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Indeed. 98SE is the best!
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I have to say... (Score:2)
so... (Score:4, Funny)
IIs too much like linux..... (Score:3)
An auspicious date (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course there are many, many factors leading to the downfall of Microsoft. We've been reading about them for years as the 800 Pound Gorilla from Redmond has been slowly breaking its bones under its own weight.
Most people will point to the fact that Microsoft's failures have ensured that more people are using Linux worldwide than ever before... in the form of Android smartphones. MS *could* have had that market, but they continued to present shit products in the face of (at least perceived) quality goods from Apple and Google.
We've also heard in the last few days and weeks about how serious Valve is about getting their products to be 'Native' for Linux. We're going to see more of that, especially as more and more game designers want to develop for smart-phones.
Going forward, Microsoft's plans for smartphone development look pretty dismal. They're not even supporting their own technologies or frameworks, like Silverlight.
Ultimately, however, I think that shipping an WindowsME-bad desktop OS while this massive paradigm shift is happening is going to have long-reaching and long-lasting effects. Unlike when WinME shipped, there are some pretty darn good alternatives for development on both phones and PCs right now. When Win8 starts flopping around like a hooked carp, it's not going to be just the developers looking for an exit. It's going to be gamers and home-users as well. This time that exit is pretty darn visible.
And today is the day that flopping carp was hooked.
Captcha: resisted. How oddly apropos...
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> > "Fat people: the singing canary in the mineshaft of freedom" -Dennis Miller
> What the fuck does that .SIG even mean?
Miller was obviously riffing the whole Bloomberg vs fat thing. But he was wrong. The canary was smokers. When they came for them we did nothing, because the smoke was annoying anyway so screw em. We were warned at the time that it wouldn't stop there. It didn't. Now we calmly discuss whether salt should be banned instead of yelling "WTF! What sort of fascist f*ck would even
Killing the Start Button... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Killing the Start Button... (Score:4, Funny)
Nice try liar. Slashdot dates from 1997.
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It doesn't have a start button, but it does have the start menu constantly unfurled at the bottom of the screen. At least the start menu goes away when you're not using it, and it doesn't conflate the concepts of program execution and task switching.
What matters is the kernel (Score:5, Insightful)
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Why would you want it to look like Win7? Win7's interface sucked almost as much as Win8.
I do agree that Win7's kernel is much better than XP (and -obviously- better than Vista's), but I disagree that the kernel is all that matters - it certainly does matter, but so does the UI, as there's only so much you can do, and unless you want to implement it yourself, you're also reliant on the third-party software actually existing. I would know - I've modded as much of the Win7 interface as I can to behave more lik
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Wait, what? (Score:4, Funny)
They've released Windows 8 Service Pack 2 already?
They should follow the Chrome and Firefox model (Score:4, Insightful)
Announcing Windows 15!
Or you can wait two weeks and upgrade directly to Windows 19!
Vista on Steroids (Score:3)
Do they have customers already? (Score:4, Insightful)
Before Windows 7 came out, almost everyone I knew (that ran Windows) was *genuinely* excited about it and was planning to upgrade to it. And they did.
I don't know a single person that even considers Windows 8 (either as a desktop OS, or a phone OS). Many people don't even realize it's going to be a desktop OS, they assume it is a smartphone/tablet only OS.
I can only wish Microsoft good luck, because I don't think they understand what they're doing.
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Every OTHER edition of Windows sucked (Score:3)
Windows 3.1 Great product
Windows 95 BUGGY as HELL
Windows 98 Great (at least by the time SE came out)
Windows NT concept product who used it?
Windows 2000 Enterprise Giant!
Windows ME (ho hum)
Windows XP Longest lived version yet
Windows Vista Nuff said!
Windows 7 Greatest yet.
Windows 8 WTF?
Metro is a total pos (Score:3, Informative)
To the point one or two people have made about Windows 7 menu search and Metro. Yes you can bring up Metro and start typing to find the application you want. However, it's much less distracting and easier on the eye to have a small menu, with colours that match the rest of your system, pop up over a small area of the screen, rather than Metro where the whole screen flashes and changes colour before you eyes and start to type your search causes the entire interface to change, then selecting your application drops you back out of Metro, more sudden screen changes.
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:5, Informative)
Says the account with exactly three posts, all posted today and all praising Windows 8.
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:5, Interesting)
You use a subscriber account to read the articles early, but use a different account to post shill. Just keep mashing F5 on the main page with your text ready in notepad. That way you avoid the karma hit and recognition as a shill poster. Just make a new one when it outlives its usefulness.
I'm not sure how it can be fixed off the top of my head. Maybe prevent new accounts from getting top post until they've made X other posts?
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:4, Insightful)
Severely limiting new/anonymous accounts in any way would benefit the majority of threads. I still don't understand how new/anonymous accounts can start threads.
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:5, Informative)
It's not Windows hatred per se, although that certainly is a healthy attitude. It's just that everytime a Microsoft-related article pops up, a brand new user starts blindly praising whatever Microsoft's been doing this time around. It's getting old, Microsoft.
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Ok, so, firstly, the guy up there that said "It's not Windows hatred per se, although that certainly is a healthy attitude." is my favorite person for this week.
But that said, am a little puzzled by your statement "Worked there, liked XP, hate 8, disgruntled about 7, don't even ask about Vista". I mean, "hate 8" I understand, "don't even ask about Vista" I wholeheartedly agree with, but what was disgruntling about 7? I had to upgrade to 7 from XP on one machine to add more memory, and was pleasantly surpr
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:5, Interesting)
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That's an interesting observation. That makes more sense than paid MS astroturfers.
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It is one of a few theories that have been suggested.
As it is, this is the first shill I have noticed in months, for awhile there it was real bad, it was rare that a story did not have a shill post as first post.
so that's what the editors do all day.
The number of snarky comments I could make regarding that.........
Here are a few.
No, I doubt they even do that much.
Yes, it takes them all day to come up with a single shill post.
It's not like they are doing anything else.
I wonder when they will video the process and then interview themselves about
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:5, Funny)
at first i was like.. shill? but then i was like... douche?
Re:Windows 8 seems like a solid product (Score:5, Funny)
Re:MS is out of touch unless it's with chairs (Score:4, Funny)
Well, they could have named it "Fabulous." But maybe that would have been too much? I'll just roll along with the puns here.
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The meme at the time mostly surrounded the term 'metrosexual' and if MS didn't understand that 'Metro' would be associated this make my OP even more poignant.
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I don't think most companies will go the Windows 8 route. Windows 9, will be difficult for corporate America. They might have to do real honest to god training.