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China Unveils Yet Another Stealth Fighter 223

An anonymous reader writes "Pictures of a new Chinese stealth fighter prototype started showing up recently on the web. The airplane prototype was photographed at a Shenyang aircraft facility and seems to be a twin-engined lightweight fighter in the F-35 class. US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is scheduled to visit China this week in the midst of tension regarding territorial disputes in the region."
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China Unveils Yet Another Stealth Fighter

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:46AM (#41363277)

    The layering processing China is using is outdated and inferior to US's radar absorbing layering mesh.

    It's technically stealthy, and most radar systems wont detect it, especially ones in many other countries, including Russias. However, US does have radar technology to detect these planes, heck we need it to detect our 20 year old stealth bombers!

  • by shugah ( 881805 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:52AM (#41363345)
    Within 10 years all stealth will be obsolete. It's much easier to improve radar systems than airframes.
  • by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:25PM (#41363801)
    Tell that to Petr Ufimtsev [wikipedia.org].
  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:29PM (#41363861) Journal

    Right, because technology from 70 YEARS ago is so meaningful today.

    Funny you should mention that... [google.com] Built in 1955, after we snagged a few smaller presses from Germany and the commies got a 30,000 ton press. Continues to operate to the present day, providing precision pressed aerospace components to much of the US aircraft production industry...

  • by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:33PM (#41363899)
    And it's probably about half as stealthy... or less.

    See how those thrusters jut right out the back? That's not stealth. The rest of it might be, sort of.
  • by theshowmecanuck ( 703852 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @01:54PM (#41364909) Journal

    I few years ago I was flying across the U.S. I had managed a good deal on first class tickets. So I was sitting beside someone who ran an electronics company which used contract manufacturers in China. I asked him about piracy of his IP. He said, and with a straight face so well that I think he believed it, that they keep the important stuff segregated, and the assembly distributed among several plants so that the Chinese would not be able to pirate their IP.

    WTF? I believe that is what the majority of these jokers who offshore think or think they have successfully led us to believe. But I really believe it is what they think. I have to. Why else would they spend BILLIONS of dollars on patent lawsuits, just so they can have their ideas built in China where everyone except them (it seems), KNOW that the designs will be stolen and copied. These so called leaders of business can't be that stupid can they? After all most have business degrees and MBA's. Do they count so little? Actually I think they aren't so stupid but are cynical pricks who only look out for their own pocket books. Globalization means global for those with the money, and they have the money. It doesn't matter what the condition of your country if you live in a gated community.

    Mind you, what does it say about the majority of people who help them to become millionaires, based on what? You'd think we'd learn by now after what we had to do to get Wall Street types from being paid huge bonuses just for showing up... wait, never mind.....

    But seriously, why spend all that money on lawsuits for IP when they just have it built in China? It's like pouring water on the fire after the house has burned down. (Unless it's all a pretense?!) Why keep stealth fighters secret when you build most of the parts in China and hire Chinese nationals or ex-nationals without sufficient oversight (given the proven track record of Chinese spies in the defence and nuclear research areas). Actually, I think most members of the government are that stupid and/or naive since their main focus is really on getting re-elected and lining their pockets, and not on what is really happening. After all they don't have to know anything, just hire people who know everything. Isn't that how it works?

    The government's talking heads will say that it just 'looks like an F-35' but the parts are different. We know the defence industry gets most of their electronics from China. I know that 1 + 1 = 2. They seem to think we think it adds up to 1.9. When the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand is on the 12, I know what time it is.

    And now China is pushing its weight like crazy in the South China Sea. There were anti-Japanese riots closing Japanese factories in China today. They are not a benign factory for the world. They never were.

  • Re:Not getting it! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Crosshair84 ( 2598247 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @02:47PM (#41365565)
    Not to mention that Stealth aircraft have always been easily detected by longwave radar. The problem has always been that longwave radar normally lacks the precision to precisely target the aircraft well enough for a missile, typically only within a couple of miles, however anyone operating longwave radar will know right away that a stealth aircraft is present.

    Along with some good intelligence gathering, the Serbs in the Kosovo war managed to destroy two F-117s with 1960's era longwave radar sets, SA-3 SAMs and AAA.

    With modern computer power and improved IR/radar gear, combined with the horrifically high cost of building and operating stealth aircraft, dedicated stealth aircraft will probably eventually be phased out. Of course designers WILL try to reduce the detection signature of their aircraft if it does not impede other design attributes.
  • Re:Not getting it! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by poity ( 465672 ) on Monday September 17, 2012 @03:25PM (#41366001)

    Why is this modded down? CCTV-7 is the military channel, which has programming that "reminds Chinese how awesome they are!" It's like if Discovery Channel's military shows were broadcast on PBS, alongside an overarching narrative that pits the US as China's main adversary. Slashdotters who think "Future War" is propaganda would be in shock.

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