Sony Launches Internet Service Offering Twice the Speed of Google Fiber 268
An anonymous reader writes "Sony Japan has announced that its own Internet service provider So-net Entertainment has launched what is thought to be the world's fastest Internet connection for home use in Japan with download speed of 2 Gbps on average. This speed is twice as fast as competing high-speed fiber connections in Japan. The ultra-fast connection, known as Nuro, will cost an inexpensive 4,980 yen ($51) per month- offering download speeds of 2 Gbps and uploads of up to 1 Gbps."
thnx sony (Score:2, Funny)
thnx sony 2x the first post power
Re:thnx sony (Score:5, Funny)
Sony will figure out a way (Score:2, Interesting)
No doubt Sony will figure out a way to ensure that you only use it for Sony approved content.
They will actually turn the internet into a series of tubes, all controlled by Sony Inc.
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My first thought. Getting your Internet connection from a pro-DRM media company with a fetish for proprietary tech rivaled only by Apple's, what could possibly go wrong?
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All the better to deliver rootkits, DRM'd DLC and other Sony owned crap. Let's not forget the special consideration their PS# packets will get to improve their customers' perceived experiences.
Oh, I almost forgot ... this will help hackers harvest data faster from Sony the next time they leave their back doors wide open.
And...cue the Sony-haters: no matter that Sony has been mostly on the right track these last few years. Keep nursing your grudge, haters, while rational people - who are able to recognize that times change, people change, and even corporations can change (esp because they have been brought down to kneeling like Sony has been in recent times) - will take advantage of Sony's offerings.
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Do you seriously think that Sony is one monolithic organization? The movies/music people are separate and away from the electronics, which is separate from the playstation. No idea where this group falls under, but most probably not music/movie people.
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While you may be technically correct, that's still THEIR problem, not ours. Or at least it should be.
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The XCP rootkit alone should have clued you that you're an idiot for buying electronics from them, that was only 10 years ago. Yes, I was a victim and yes, I'm pissed that nobody went to prison for it. Once bitten, twice shy.
The XCP rootkit incident did not affect me - however, I was rational enough to realize that the incident had been perpetrated by BMG Crescendo just before it was acquired by Sony Music or during the acquisition (look up the timeline). And I like the quality of the electronics they make. I also realize that Sony had many different arms which seemed to not even work well together - Sony Music was not governed by the people who make TVs, Blu-ray Players or the PS3. It's only recently that their different divis
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Wow, facts instead of spittle. Well done. Curious why so many idiots continue to spout nonsense when facts are so readily available.
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And it's in Japan (Score:4, Insightful)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Japan already have better connection options than the US? I know that it's fast, but how is this particularly notable?
Re:And it's in Japan (Score:4, Funny)
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Displaying the increasing disparity between what our providers call 'high speed broadband' and what they do(Not to mention the pricing differences.)
Because someone somewhere is getting the dream speeds we drool over
It's tech oriented and geeky
That kind of speed in the home is just cool
Take your pick, all fit the standard Slashdot focus.
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Well according to TFS, it's twice as fast as competing services in Japan. So apparently 1Gbps connections aren't uncommon over there. Of course, TFS doesn't say what the competing services cost, but I suspect that if this one is only a measly $51 (compared to the outrageous prices we pay here in the USA), the competing services probably are pretty cheap too.
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Yup. And, seriously, I can't be the only one pissed off that they're getting 2gbps for the same price as most of us are paying for 10mbps. That's absurd. And I get nastygrams from the cable company when I watch too much Netflix (sorry, can't justify paying an extra $70 for a bunch of channels I don't want and a cable box).
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Yes, but what's the point of comparing it with Google's fiber when they aren't even in the same part of the world?
Unless they're planning to set up their network in a part of the world where Google is also thinking about setting up a network, the comparison is completely meaningless.
Re:And it's in Japan (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, but what's the point of comparing it with Google's fiber when they aren't even in the same part of the world?
Unless they're planning to set up their network in a part of the world where Google is also thinking about setting up a network, the comparison is completely meaningless.
Because Google is held up as the shining example of what the telcos *could* be providing us... yet in Japan Sony is offering twice the speed for less cost. So maybe Google's offering is not the holy grail of home internet and telcos should be doing better.
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Its not twice the speed. 2Gbps up/1Gbps down is not twice as fast as 1Gbps symmetric.
Plus, Google Fiber has never been billed (even by its fans, much less Google) as "best in the world", but at best "far better than anything that is currently available in the US at its price". People have often cited is as a push toward the US not being as far behind othe
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Re:And it's in Japan (Score:5, Insightful)
I think we all understand the difference in population density and how that affects the cost to provide infrastructure services. That plays a big part in how places in Japan can offer better price and performance than places in the US.
So what's the excuse in NY, SF, Chicago, Boston and other high density cities that have a population density greater than Tokyo? If Google can wire up low-density Kansas City and Austin, why can't the telcos figure out how to make money wiring up a neighborhood full of high density apartment buildings?
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Tokyo's population density is significantly higher than New York, LA or any other American city (~4700 per sq km in Tokyo compared to ~2700 per sq km in LA or 2050 in NYC). And then there's the fact that the Tokyo area's total population is almost double NYC's.
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If you look at cities instead of metro areas:
NY [wikipedia.org]: 27,550/sq mi (10,640/km2)
Tokyo [wikipedia.org]: 6,000/km2 (16,000/sq mi)
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According to the wikipedia [wikipedia.org], the population density of NYC is 10,640 per square kilometer (26,939 per square kilometer for Manhattan alone). Los Angeles is 3,124 per square kilometer, and Tokyo is 6,810 per square kilometer.
There's really no excuse for NYC or other US metro areas to not have better internet service even if they do end up having a smaller population in the metro area.
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If you're going to do a comparison like this you really need to count just the 23 special wards (14,485 per square kilometer). Tokyo the prefecture-equivalent "metropolis" includes a lot of areas which are essentially suburban sprawl west of Tokyo -- the Tama area. I don't think anyone would really consider, for example, Hachioji to be part of Tokyo the city, but it is a substantial fraction of Tokyo metropolis -- and if you're coming up with a number as low as 6,810 you're including it.
This is complicated
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There's really no excuse for NYC or other US metro areas to not have better internet service even if they do end up having a smaller population in the metro area.
There are plenty of excuses, and even some valid ones. Population density just isn't one of them. IMO, the age of the city and its infrastructure plays the biggest role. Keep in mind, Tokyo was hit very very hard during World War II (1944). So, even though Tokyo has been around for centuries, an awful lot of it is new.
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Plus most American cities have much older infrastructure under ground, making wiring more costly, difficult and time consuming.
Many cities in Japan are older than the country of the USA. Tokyo is over 400 years old.
Ok, to be fair, Tokyo underwent significant rebuilding after the war, but still, that was 60 years ago.
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I think we all understand the difference in population density and how that affects the cost to provide infrastructure services. That plays a big part in how places in Japan can offer better price and performance than places in the US.
So what's the excuse in NY, SF, Chicago, Boston and other high density cities that have a population density greater than Tokyo? If Google can wire up low-density Kansas City and Austin, why can't the telcos figure out how to make money wiring up a neighborhood full of high density apartment buildings?
For the Boston area, the issues are:
1. Old Infrastructure, expensive to run new services as you have to dig up streets, etc., while not affecting existing old infrastructure.
2. Negotiations must be completed with each town. Some run their own ISP services.
3. Anti-competitive behavior. Existing ISPs will do anything they can to derail any challenge to their "high-speed" ISP access monopoly. Yes, DSL and satellite are available, but they don't offer the same speeds.
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3. Anti-competitive behavior. Existing ISPs will do anything they can to derail any challenge to their "high-speed" ISP access monopoly. Yes, DSL and satellite are available, but they don't offer the same speeds.
And this is a governmental problem. Why are existing companies allowed to "derail" anyone who wants to compete with them? Obviously, countries such as Japan and Sweden don't have this problem; if some company wants to set up a new ISP service, they just do so, which is why they aren't stuck with d
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And this is a governmental problem. Why are existing companies allowed to "derail" anyone who wants to compete with them?
I agree. When someone mugs me, I don't blame the mugger. I blame the police.
If the mugger mugs you every day while a policeman stands by and purposely looks the other direction, you should probably blame the police more than the mugger. The mugger is looking out for his own best interests, he has a family to feed after all, but you are paying the police to look out for *your* interests.
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The internet is not really a luxury any more. My evidence: you can't buy (luxury item) without it!
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My evidence: In the UK, you can't file your tax return without it.
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Which is an apples to pineapples comparison. Japan is a compact country with a high population density and that too in a few densely populated metros, so drawing fiber lines to just those major metros is nowhere near as big a challenge as getting vast open cities in the US such as Kansas City or Austin connected. Hedwards is therefore right - comparing a Sony setup in Japan w/ a Google setup in the US is therefore meaningless in terms of demonstrating that 'Google should be doing better'. Also, how are the costs being compared - like what percentage of an average family income in Japan would be spent on this, vs that percentage of an average family income in the US?
The above story is useful in itself in describing how internet connectivity outside wireless is getting upgraded in Japan. But it's worthless if the idea is to compare it w/ Google projects in the US, or any other company's project in any other country.
If density were the real issue, NYC, Chicago, Boston, SF, Wash DC would all have cheap residential gigabit fiber.
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That would be a valid point if major US cities had fiber. Except they don't. They have shitty expensive internet just like the rest of the country.
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The numbers are a few years old, but still pretty relevant.
Seoul is ~16,000 people per square kilometer with > 17.5 million residents
Tokyo/Yokohama is ~4,700 people per square kilometer with > 33 million residents
Los Angeles is ~2,750 people per square kilometer with ~12 million residents
New York City is ~2,050 people per square kilometer with ~18 million residents
The United States has nowhere near the concentrations or densities of people that Japan and South Korea has. On top of that, the USA has va
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The numbers are a few years old, but still pretty relevant.
Seoul is ~16,000 people per square kilometer with > 17.5 million residents
Tokyo/Yokohama is ~4,700 people per square kilometer with > 33 million residents
Los Angeles is ~2,750 people per square kilometer with ~12 million residents
New York City is ~2,050 people per square kilometer with ~18 million residents
The United States has nowhere near the concentrations or densities of people that Japan and South Korea has. On top of that, the USA has vast distances of relatively nothingness that you need to account for as well... you have to look at the big picture of it all.
Source: http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html [citymayors.com]
I think your figures are looking at metro areas, not cities -- Wikipedia says NY population density is 27,550/sq mi (10,640/km2), [wikipedia.org]
Those vast areas of nothingness don't really matter if you're rolling out fiber to a city, you don't have to roll out fiber to Kansas if you are rolling it out in New York City.
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I think your figures are looking at metro areas, not cities -- Wikipedia says NY population density is 27,550/sq mi (10,640/km2), [wikipedia.org]
Those vast areas of nothingness don't really matter if you're rolling out fiber to a city, you don't have to roll out fiber to Kansas if you are rolling it out in New York City.
Except, the metro areas ARE important, in fact much more important that the city boundaries. Your position that the cities matter is simply incorrect since that's not how telco territories are mapped or operated in large metropolitan areas. Cable franchises are often by the city, but all of the major operators group their franchises together and will only start operations where they can get large chunks of contiguous territory, ie metropolitan areas.
Re:And it's in Japan (Score:4, Informative)
Japan has incredibly high population densities relative to the U.S. (same with South Korea), this comparison is pointless. Fiber is expensive over distances, which the U.S. has a lot of.
San Francisco has a higher population density than Tokyo, yet my choices for "high speed" internet are 20mbit Comcast or "up to" 6mbit DSL service from AT&T. U-verse should be "coming soon".
So it's not just density - the USA has plenty of dense cities without ubiquitous and cheap gigabit internet.
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Yeah yeah, so what? (Score:5, Interesting)
New York is very densely populated. It still doesn't have anywhere near close Asian speeds. Hell, Holland is LESS densely populated AND it has higher speeds. So does Sweden.
Not all of the US is a desolate wasteland inhabited by rednecks. Some parts are almost civilized, and still the infrastructure sucks donkey balls. Explain that?
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You didn't read his post. It's not about desolate wasteland or anything else. It's just that there are huge distances to be covered, which raises the costs of laying fiber everywhere. Whereas much of the Japanese interior is mountaineous and so thinly populated that they wouldn't be putting fiber there, but they would be putting it in Tokyo, Yokohoma, Kyoto, Osaka and other major cities.
Whereas if they put it in San Francisco or New York, they'd have to expand, unless the plan is to just provide it at
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Whereas if they put it in San Francisco or New York, they'd have to expand, unless the plan is to just provide it at the Embarcadero or Manhattan. If they started in Manhattan, ultimately, they'd want/have to spread it out to Queens, NJ, Upstate, CT and so on. Or in San Francisco, extend it to the peninsula, Marin county, Oakland, Berkeley and rest of Alameda and ultimately Santa Clara counties. Not something they'd run into much of in Japan - there, each city would be an island of fiber, and not have to be extensively extended. Such an exercise would be similarly feasable in South Korea - service Seoul and Busan and a few other major cities.
Why would they "have" to expand? Is someone Forcing Google to provide fiber in Austin since Kansas City was such a success?
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Not all of the US is a desolate wasteland inhabited by rednecks. Some parts are almost civilized, and still the infrastructure sucks donkey balls. Explain that?
Best candidate explanation is that Washington, DC is a desolate wasteland inhabited by rednecks.
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The glass itself is cheap - With decently-sized orders, you can get a 1 km run for under $75. The majority of the costs are manpower to string the stuff to poles (or run it through manholes), do splices and OTDR signal levels along the way. Besides higher population density, Japan has an added "advantage" of having lower median income, which is likely to translate into lower labor costs for installation...
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After the first $million ... (Score:3)
Is there really a noticeable difference between 1Gbps and 2?
Re:After the first $million ... (Score:5, Funny)
"Is there really a noticeable difference between 1Gbps and 2?"
A big one, the data has to wait twice as long for your harddisk.
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There's a big difference.
Whether you personally have a use for it is a different question.
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Sure, however once the speed of the connection from your house to your ISPs PoP gets over a certain speed it stops being a significant factor in the overall user experiance. Other factors including limited bandwidth at the server, bandwidth limitations in the ISPs (both client side and server side) networks, limited speed of your hard drive, human time to select things in the user interface, time for servers to process requests and so-on become the limiting factors on the overall performance.
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Sure, however once the speed of the connection from your house to your ISPs PoP gets over a certain speed it stops being a significant factor in the overall user experiance. Other factors including limited bandwidth at the server, bandwidth limitations in the ISPs (both client side and server side) networks, limited speed of your hard drive, human time to select things in the user interface, time for servers to process requests and so-on become the limiting factors on the overall performance.
Gee, I wonder if Sony [sony.com] can possibly come up with a reason [engadget.com] why they think multigigabit fiber to the home would be useful?
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user experience?
faster is always better.
10Gbit>1Gbit>100MBit>10Mbit>1Mbit. Always.
Just because your limited imagination can't understand why doesn't make it so. Plus your making horrible assumptions:
The user will only connect to a single source at a time - wrong. The more bandwidth you have, the more transfers/apps/whatever you can have running at once. Download a linux iso in 5 seconds while watching a hd movie on netflixs, etc. Share multiple computers in the same household at full speed.
Amazing tentacle detail . . . (Score:5, Funny)
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a more interesting question, would this be enough for widespread adoption of the newest 4k video standard?
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That probably depends more on what people are shooting and editing with on the one end, and what people are decoding and viewing with on the other.
Thanks to the magic of lossy compression, you can get pretty much any resolution you want at any data rate you want(just ask Youtube about their 1080p...). If memory serves, BD-ROM 'HD' video tops out at just under 50mb/s, and is generally considered endurable, and many broadcast and cable channels squeeze considerably harder than that. If we naively assume that
That's great news! (Score:2)
For those living in certain parts of Japan. It's also an awesome "competition" with Google Fiber, which isn't in Japan. :)
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You can 'compete' with someone you're not in direct business competition for. If nothing else, being able to market as "The fast ISP on Earth' (or you could even get away with 'In the known Universe') sounds better than 'The fastest ISP in the country'.
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You can 'compete' with someone you're not in direct business competition for. If nothing else, being able to market as "The fast ISP on Earth' (or you could even get away with 'In the known Universe') sounds better than 'The fastest ISP in the country'.
The fastest? I thought they've operated at the speed of light since the first fiber inception.
I'm just messin' with words. ;)
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And of course even if we take "fastest" to mean "highest bandwidth" it's only true if you limit yourself to connections that are sold at consumer/small buiness prices.
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connections that are sold at consumer/small buiness prices
*cough*throttling*coughcough* :)
Even has a SLA! (Score:5, Funny)
...if for any reason it causes the silentl install of a rootkit or performs some other criminal act within your enterprise, you'll be entitled to a pair of $1 iTunes gift certificates.
Take THAT, google fiber!
What's the catch? (Score:2)
This is Sony, there's something proprietary here surely? You can only use their router? You can only connect to the service using some terribad desktop app?
Re:What's the catch? (Score:4, Funny)
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$51 is expensive? (Score:4, Interesting)
It's arguable that with everything that a Comcast subscription requires that we pay 2-3 times that depending on what you REALLY want and use out of your service.
I think it's an extremely reasonable price given U.S. conditions.
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"INexpensive 4,980 yen ($51)"
Unless I'm reading your intentions wrong, this service is cheaper then most,
ex. TechSavy 50Mb/s(35Mb/s actual) Unlimited @ 70$/month.(Canada)
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Over two years, I pay $1320 for Time Warner's 15mbps service ($55/mo)
Over two, with your setup fee, Sony comes out to $1624 ($67.67/mo)
Over ten years (assuming prices stay in step with each other), Sony works out to be a hair cheaper than Time Warner for more than 130 times faster Internet. Well worth it imo.
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Doctor Who, 9th Doctor era.
Re:$51 is expensive? (Score:4, Informative)
ugh.. but you're right.
Hmmm ... (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know how Sony treats people in Japan, but for me Sony would be the last company I would trust as my ISP.
People who install root-kits on computers are going to go to great lengths to look out for their own interests. They also don't have the greatest track record for security.
I'm probably just a tad bitter and cynical, but there's a lot of ways in which my distrust/dislike of Sony would make me think this isn't something I'd want. They'll probably be doing DPI and everything else shady you can imagine.
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You do realize that sony is a massive company and the division that would run the isp is not the same division as Sony BMG?
If you didn't know, see divisions don't necessarily know what the others are doing and they definitely don't get a say in their decision making. When you grow up and start working for a company, you'll start to understand this.
If you did know, well shame on you for circle jerking over "evil sony". Give it a break already, it happened 6 years ago. they apologized, learned their lesson,
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I don't know how Sony treats people in Japan, but for me Sony would be the last company I would trust as my ISP.
That's only because Electronic Arts doesn't offer that service yet.
"EA Fibre 2012 servers will be closing down later this month, but you can pre-order EA Fibre 2014 and get a Free(*) copy of Sim City!"
Speed is not everything (Score:5, Informative)
I tried also to seed some videos (that I created) but did not manage to get peers at more than 1KB/s
It is good to have a high speed, but it is useless if it is just to watch youtube videos. I won't trade the decent DSL I have here in France through a protocol-tolerant ISP (Free Telecom) to a fiber connection through someone like Sony who is well known for its tight control.
Bottlenecks (Score:2)
Even if servers can dish out content at 2 Gbps (and many of them can't), almost all modern NICs max out at Gigabit Ethernet support. Although a 10 Gbps Ethernet standard has existed for a couple years, the cabling and termination requirements are extremely tight (most existing Cat5 and even Cat6 installations won't qualify) and the network cards cost hundreds of dollars while switches cost thousands.
I think this service would be most useful to small businesses, which could easily support both their internal
What router should I buy? (Score:4, Funny)
So, I got this super-awesome 2Gbps internet connection. What cheap router (max 50E) should I buy?
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So what (Score:3)
Why do I care how fast Japanese can access content when it takes 30 seconds to load www.google.com in Canada using one of the top telco's in the country?
Canada truly is the 3rd world of internet access.
Aside from that, not sure how or why Sony is getting into the ISP fray. Could be that they are failing in every other division so why not enter a new market.
Personally, I will wait for Samsung's internet services, Japan itself is failing in innovation all around.
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As a fellow Canadian I think we're getting off topic here, but I think you mean Eastern Canada. Here in the west it's pretty decent. I'm a pretty cheap guy, so only have the 50 Meg service Shaw offers (I think its like $60, so cheap being relative), but for $10 I can double it to 100 Meg. My cap is like 400 Gigs too. 100 Meg.. no idea what that cap is. If Shaw ever packed up and I had to use the other guys, Telus, I'd probably cry, but so far I'm quite happy with Shaw. Not Google Fiber (or Sony?!?) sp
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Why do I care how fast Japanese can access content when it takes 30 seconds to load www.google.com in Canada using one of the top telco's in the country?
Canada truly is the 3rd world of internet access.
New Brunswick and Nova Scotia are now getting FiberOP (similar to FIOS), which goes up to 250MB. My Dad has it.
I'm jealous because I can't get a similar service in the Mass. town where I live (Verizon stopped their FIOS rollout in MA before getting to us).
Telecommunications in Canada (Score:2)
It is not just internet access, the whole telecommunications industry is a joke. Slightly more so than even the US which is really depressing. We make fun of about the US government being in bed with big business, yet they are getting screwed slightly less somehow by their telcos. When I was overseas on a group vacation, all the other folks from various countries balked in wonderment when the Canadians and Americans told them what they pay for cell plans and service, and that none of us could use them anywh
"...or fewer" (Score:2)
Yes, someone actually uses "or fewer" instead of "or less" when talking about countable objects!
Yes, I really am that person who hates it when supermarkets have a "ten items or less" queue....
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News flash for you, pseudo-pedantic boy, one integer can indeed be less than another. Don't make us repeat this one or more times, less than two times should be sufficient.
Telecommuting (Score:2)
Meanwhile, in America (Score:2)
I pay 50 bucks a month (plus taxes) for a whopping 5mbps down on average (supposedly it's 7, but I'd say on average it's about 5; I do see close to 7 occasionally). At least I got free long distance out of verizon as a "we're sorry" present for them having completely fracked up our order and making me take a whole day of vacation to be on the phone with them trying to fix it, even though I told them in advance several times that it looked like my order was messed up, and they promised, several times, that t
What interesting things are people doing with it? (Score:2)
I'm quite interested to hear what, if any, new and interesting things people are doing with their 1 and 2gbps fibre connections, in Google neighbourhoods and in Japan.
While incremental increases in speed are nice, big jumps like this make whole new uses possible. For example before ADSL and cable we could do most of the things we do today just slower, but usable quality video wasn't really feasible, certainly not on-demand. I have a 120mbps (10mbps up) connection which is great for video on demand, and sync
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What they don't tell you (Score:2)
Is that they cap your download speed, so you can only use your internet for about a minute a month. :-)
you'll need the speed to load the Sony rootkits (Score:2)
that will stream Sony content at extra optional cost all day long, to the router if not to your PC.
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Sony's offering in Japan is... also capitalism.
There is free market capitalism in the US. The problem is, most of it is in the fast food business. The few ISPs that have the go-ahead from the cities aren't interested in improving their offerings, and the small WISPs that fill in the gaps are either unable to do any better, or only willing to match the status quo.
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And everyone else is reasonably happy that you are an idiot. It's a win-win as they say.
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