Is Google Glass Too Nerdy For the Mainstream? 533
New submitter some old guy writes "Marcus Wohlsen writing in Wired Business makes a good case for why no amount of marketing hype will cure Google Glass of its inherent dorkiness. 'Google Glass fails to acknowledge that walking around with a camera mounted on the side of your face at all times makes you look dorky. Think of the Bluetooth headset: it’s a really sensible way to use your phone without having to take it out of your pocket—so sensible that there’s really no reason not to keep that headset in your ear most of the time. But you don’t, do you?' He also makes an interesting comparison to the Segway debacle: 'If we were all riding around on Segways now, cities would probably be better places to live compared to the car-infested streets we still endure. But that transformation hasn't happened. And it won’t. Why? Because Segways are lame. They’re too rational. They fail to acknowledge all the irrational reasons people love their cars.'"
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And yet this is more or less the same thing they said about mobile phones in the early 80's. No more than a few k needed in the world or something similarly stupid.
Someone explain to me why you can't do the same technology on mirrored glasses in a way that nobody will notice the camera? If I look on Google for "camera sunglasses" most of the results are dorky, but some begin to look quite cool [fastcompany.com] (second photo; warning there may be some flash media my browser ignored).
There also seem to be a bunch of ide
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And yet this is more or less the same thing they said about mobile phones in the early 80's. No more than a few k needed in the world or something similarly stupid.
I keep seeing people using that argument, for some reason. Not sure why, because that wasn't actually the case. Not even remotely. The issue with cell phones in the early 80's was the cost and the combination of size/weight/battery life.
Car phones were plenty common, and people wanted them. Sure, they were expensive. But claiming that people said they were too nerdy, or not many people wanted them, or needed them is, frankly, so far from reality the statement had to have first been made by someone who wasn't even alive at the time.
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And yet this is more or less the same thing they said about mobile phones in the early 80's. No more than a few k needed in the world or something similarly stupid.
I keep seeing people using that argument, for some reason. Not sure why, because that wasn't actually the case. Not even remotely. The issue with cell phones in the early 80's was the cost and the combination of size/weight/battery life.
Car phones were plenty common, and people wanted them. Sure, they were expensive. But claiming that people said they were too nerdy, or not many people wanted them, or needed them is, frankly, so far from reality the statement had to have first been made by someone who wasn't even alive at the time.
Well I do remember the 80s and the impending doom of cell phones. I also went out and bought one of the first ones. Whatever.
The difference here is that the cell phones solved a tangible problem: if you were not in your car or in your house, you were pretty much unreachable. Pagers could kind of stand in, but you'd still have to get to a phone to call back. Enter the cell phone and suddenly your grandma is texting all hours of the day.
Google glass on the other hand doesn't solve anyones problem, they deliver already available functionality (via the phone in your pocket) in a new and nerdy package.
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How well do you think twitter and facebook would be doing if you had to pay to use them?
Tablets DO solve a tangible problem: it fits well into situations where a phone is too small and underpowered, and a laptop is cumbersome and overkill.
Facebook actually solves a particularly tangible problem -- how to casually communicate with a broad set of people in an easy way. Nothing you can do in FB is stuff you couldn't do with six other sites before FB, but I sure as shit wasn't going to get my parents on them,
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google glass does solve a problem. When you see that hot chick walking down the street and you're like, damn, i wish i could record that. Well now you can(tm)!
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....I pretty much see only the bluetooth receiver in the ear all the time primarily with one race, at least here in the US.
Exactly *which* race are you alluding to? The Morons?
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> Now if only someone could come up with a version where we could control the privacy a bit.
You have complete control over the visual privacy of your face in the presence of any CCD camera: IR emitting glasses [slate.com]
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And yet this is more or less the same thing they said about mobile phones in the early 80's. No more than a few k needed in the world or something similarly stupid.
Except that mobile phones filled an obvious need, one that had been long recognized.
Being part of the borg doesn't.
The current implementation of Google Glass is like those ridiculously large cell phones of 1973 [slate.com]. People laughed at those too.
Google Glass will not survive in its current form. That is the only certain thing about it. But that doesn't mean it won't survive in some other form. I doubt it will always have a camera, because people won't tolerate being recorded 24/7 by everyone they encounter. People will insist you take them off when entering businesses, stores, and meetings.
It will probably revert to only being a display device, a personal HUD.
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Google Glass is Google Jumping the Shark.
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"Passe" jumped the shark years ago.
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Those weren't just AR goggles, they were an assistive device for the severe vision problem the guy had and were semi-implanted.
If you're also walking around punching anyone with a cameraphone, then I guess that's consistent...not rational, mind you, but consistent.
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On the guy's blog about the McDonalds incident, he says "The eyeglass is permanently attached and does not come off my skull without special tools.", but that's the closest thing I've been able to find. Somewhere, I read that it just has electrodes stuck to his head like an ECG. Hardly implants.
As for his "severe vision problem", he says in that same post that he carries around a letter from his doctor, but never mentions a vision disorder.
http://eyetap.blogspot.com/2012/07/physical-assault-by-mcdonalds-for.html [blogspot.com]
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Ok, so, what exactly is something nerds were using 20 years ago that "mainstream" people aren't using all the time now?
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Pocket protectors. 20-sided dice. Fanny packs. Floppy diskettes.
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Fanny Packs - Strange as I see many of them in use every damn day as they serve a functional purpose. The only reason pocket protectors died out wasn't from nerds but the fact that ball point pens don't tend to leak like Fountain Pens and Yes, I still use Quill and Ink at times.
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All of which were rendered unnecessary because everyone adopted a 10-year-old nerdly thing: the smartphone. Scrawling notes: on the phone. Game playing: on the phone. File storage/transmission: on the phone. So yes, sometimes old nerd things don't become popular --- when there's a newer nerd thing to replace them.
This. 20 years ago I was fantasizing about having a low-profile wearable computer with internet access always attached to me in a low-profile package, so it wouldn't be too socially conspicuous.
So what does mainstream society do? Simply make it socially fashionable for everyone and their mother to walk around staring at a big unwieldy brick.
This is why nerds will never win at solving other people's problems. If you try to provide a rational smart solution, it'll be dismissed as being uncool for "trying too hard".
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>"This. 20 years ago I was fantasizing about having a low-profile wearable computer with internet access always attached to me in a low-profile package, so it wouldn't be too socially conspicuous."
Didn't we all.
But did your dream include a company tracking, saving, sharing, and identifying your every move down to the square foot? Did it include handing over access to your passwords, your list of apps, your texts, your Email, your contacts, your calls, your photos, your files, and pretty much everything else to some company (and government possibly without even a warrant)?
And yet, can we imagine life without this little package? Ability to contact anyone anywhere anytime, call for help if needed, answer all our questions, guide us to where we need to go, entertain us when we have some time to kill...
There is usually a flip side to every technological advancement. The idea of strapping an internet-connected camera and mic to your head, pointed AT OTHER PEOPLE, all the time, is certainly another issue society will have to deal with. Hopefully it is more about privacy, manners, freedom, and etiquette than just fashion.
internet 20 yrs ago? (Score:4, Funny)
What were you wanting the internet for 20 yrs ago? To read updates to your favorite news group as you walked around?
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Personal computers running Linux? :-)
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Andoid is Linux, and by looking around at all the people using Android phones, I would say that these are "personal computers, running linux".
We've had the "year of Linux" except it wasn't on the desktop. And that is why, most people missed it.
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Andoid is Linux
Funny how the definition of Linux oscillates between a full OS "distribution" and just the kernel, depending on what the person's trying to prove at the time.
I'm beginning to think RMS is right about one thing. The OS should be called GNU/Linux. Or maybe even that's understating it. If Linux with Android on top is called "Android". Linux with GNU on top should be called "GNU".
So, what nerds were using 20 years ago was GNU. And the mainstream still isn't using it.
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"In its favour, if Google Glass didn’t exist, all these Silicon Valley guys would be having affairs or buying unsuitable motorbikes”
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As a 50 year-old, I resent the fact that you think my cheap USB drive that I carry around on my ear with an old twist-tie is me trying to look young. It's just more convenient to carry it that way, really.
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They key, like a lot of things, is with the kids. If the kids who are 15-18 embrace them it will become normal to that generation and thus the acceptability will propagate upwards as they get older. What Google has to do is make it fashionable, like Apple managed with the iPhone.
I suspect most commentators here are of the generation after such an audience and so are slightly averse to radicle new things like this. Just like my parents were to mobile phones, and I am to social media.
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Most Anonymous Cowards are so inadequate they don't have any opinions of their own, they cut-n-paste other people's.
http://rawmaterialformisanthropes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/i-hate-nerds.html [blogspot.co.uk]
And some twits actually modded it up!
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Today is not next week... (Score:5, Insightful)
Marcus Wohlsen writing in Wired Business makes a good case for why no amount of marketing hype will cure Google Glass of its inherent dorkiness.
And walking around glued to your Smart Phone doesn't? Remember when hands-free Blue Tooth ear thingies came out? Tell me that's not dorky, walking around talking to yourself...
Yes, today it is. But being tied to your mobile device (even *having* a mobile device) use to be very nerdy. In time it will be "nerdy" *not* to have a some type of Intertube connected HUD on your eyeball. Eventually there will be implants and the data will be âoeprojectedâ directly into your brain.
Besides, we all know that "nerds" actually set the tech style trends. There will be a critical mass point, and weâ(TM)ll start seeing these things for sale at the Big Box stores.
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Re:Today is not next week... (Score:5, Insightful)
If the things provide actual, real benefit to a lot of people, then soon everyone will be wearing them. If they don't, then they won't catch on. Stylishness is a side-issue in this game. If it's useful, it will become stylish. Like a codpiece.
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No, it's not. It's annoying. People can't pay attention to where they're walking when looking down, walk slower than other people thereby causing obstructions and generally make asses of themselves as they stare at the small screen looking at whatever is so important to them that they feel the need to interrupt other people.
It's also very anti-social if you're sitting with people and instead of talking to you, their heads are buri
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The average joes just get dumbed-down knockoffs of the nerds' tools, which then either become a niche product or a historical footnote.
Too caught up on appearances (Score:5, Insightful)
I think society would be a better place if people were less worried about "dorkiness" and more worried about being practical.
Another example is fanny packs. They're incredibly convenient for carrying random crap around, but because society has deemed them "dorky", nobody wants to wear them.
Heck, men can't even carry a small bag around with them because it will be deemed a "purse".
Why are we so caught up, as a society, on such idiotic things? We should just do what is convenient and works and not make fun of each other over it.
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You should wear your fanny pack wit pride, and ignore what we say behind your back. Heck, put on camouflage cargo-pants and a pocket protector. We won't mind, really.
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Agreed. Also, I remember the 80's when the select few people who had cell phones/car phones where seen as self important douches. Now everyone is a self important douche with a cellphone!
Just like cellphones, the glasses will become less intrusive.
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Backpacks are more acceptable. The set of things that don't fit into my pockets that don't justify a backpack: sunscreen. I can literally think of nothing else.
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Then don't go outside. Problem solved!
Next!
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I agree with the premise. I'd like to see people wear surgical masks during flu season when they're using mass transit. Americans are just too "cool" for something that practical however.
Maybe something really nasty will come along and change that.
possibly, but smartphones caught on (Score:5, Interesting)
In the 1990s you looked pretty dorky pulling a PalmPilot out of your pocket to browse the internet on, but it seems reasonably widely accepted nowadays. I mean, it still looks dorky, but it's mainstream anyway. Is an eyepiece one step too far to make that transition? Maybe, but I wouldn't have predicted the ubiquitous public use of smartphones, either (I would imagine people would have them, but not that they'd be willing to walk down the street typing on them).
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I also thought that nobody would ever use bluetooth headsets, for the same reason.
In 10-15 years, people
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The problem is, nobody wants to wear glasses, even people who need them for vision correction. That's why contacts were invented, and laser vision correction. So why, oh why, would we ditch glasses, only to wear different glasses.
Because normal glasses imply that your eyes are faulty and people don't like announcing thier flaws in such an obvious way if they could help it. Because normal glasses imply you do a little bit too much book readin', so you obviously need to be picked on. Conversely, Google Glass doesn't try to correct a physical impairment you have, so it isn't really a fair comparison.
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First, while I hated my glasses growing up I have no problem at all with them now. I suppose if laser correction were cheaper than glasses I'd probably go for it but baring that I actually like my glasses just fine thanks. I know plenty of people who feel the same way.
More importantly, why would we ditch glasses just to wear different glasses? Well, why did we (as a species) wear glasses in the first place? Because they gave people something they didn't otherwise have: clear vision. So glasses are anno
The Value of Summaries (Score:3)
OK, this article is by a person who does not understand the value of hearing things as they exist in the real world.
Next story.
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And I ran into it with my Segway.
Seriously, if everyone (or even a significant fraction of the population) rode one of these, pedestrians would be scattering in terror. Even the local mall, whose security people used to ride these, largely stopped. There were too many near misses (and a few collisions) where the incompatibilities between these modes of transportation conflicted.
Segways? (Score:5, Insightful)
If we were all riding around on Segways now, cities would probably be better places to live but our daily commutes would take two to five times longer. We won't even talk about having Segways all over the icy and heavy snowed streets in the winter.
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Honestly, I've seen some VERY good uses of Segways (Most obviously one used by a physically disabled person in place of a wheelchair, which is just a beautiful use of technology)
I also wouldn't use one myself, not because it's dorky but because I already have a system built in for movement over regular distances. Feet. I LOVE walking and I for one am happy to walk all day if I can. Which is the problem, as the best market for normal sales would be people in walking friendly places.
'cep people just walk.
T
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Don't you know the drill? Anything that is more risky than what we are already doing is to be shunned and sued out of existence. Progress or "leaps forward for mankind" don't matter anymore
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'If we were all riding around on Segways now, cities would probably be better places to live compared to the car-infested streets we still endure."
I don't know where you live but replacing the car with a Segway isn't practical in most cases. In highly populated urban areas, people walk or use mass transit. Segways would congest the sidewalks. In rural areas, there is simply too much distance that makes a Segway practical. In the ideal setting would a Segway replace a car and even then I would prefer people use a bicycle instead.
Because Segways are lame. Theyâ(TM)re too rational. They fail to acknowledge all the irrational reasons people love their cars.'
Segways are not rational. They are for a niche purpose. There are practical reasons for cars. If you are a soccer mom w
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The Segway was a solution looking for a problem.
Who says it is a 24/7 device? (Score:3)
Why do we assume the proper use case isn't to use them as bluetooth headsets were meant to be: when you needed it (ignore the idiots that wear them to dinner)
In a medical setting, IMO it is a fantastic form factor. For the kid building sand castles, not so much. I see it as more of a device to enhance a particular activity you do that necessitates them, not as a device you sport all the time.
But then again, what is normal about walking down a street staring at your mobile phone composing a text message and not paying attention to your surroundings?
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Because Segways are lame. They’re too rational. They fail to acknowledge all the irrational reasons people love their cars.
Yes, irrational reasons like ... rain. Or passengers. Or payload. Or personal security. Or range. Or speed.
Google Glass fails to acknowledge that walking around with a camera mounted on the side of your face at all times makes you look dorky.
Look, there are armies of douche-Borgs walking around with bluetooth earpieces in, thinking not that they fall enough below some painful threshold of dorkiness while wearing them, but rather that they look cool doing so. These are the spinning hubcaps of phone accessories.
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Or, you know, they don't give a shit what people like you think? Sure, you can judge all you want, but why do you care?
I where my blu-tooth headset becasue it's convenient , has great sound, the mic is awesome. The people judging what other [people choose to wear are the douchbags.
I find them to be Lobotastic!
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bt headset.. (Score:2)
..99% of time literally I am not talking on the phone. it would be more of a bother to take it off for putting on headphones or whatever. normally I just wouldn't want the extra weight to wear a google glass 99% of the time.
segways aren't lame though. they're just impractical, costly and incompatible with legislation in most countries where people could afford them...
you know what google glass will be used for though? hacked in tandem to produce porno to be viewed on future oculus devices... which gets us t
If they looked like a pair of Ray-Bans... (Score:3)
...I could see them taking off. But man, even on gorgeous models they look dorky. Great idea - I'm a fan of the "dataglasses" or augmented reality concept (Virtual Light anyone?) but this, it cries out for a good designer.
Target market (Score:2)
The Google Glass target market has two types of people in it. People who saw the Terminator movies and thought, 'that looks really cool' and voyeurs. Sell these things at the right convention and you'll make a fortune.
The first hacks will be gaining root (already done) and when people start putting the Google Glass into glass frames that don't look like they'll get you kicked out of certain entertainment venues. I don't think these have a big future with the public at large since they will freak out most pe
Bluetooth headsets (Score:2)
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I have a blu-tooth stereo head set.
When I get to work, I plug it in, and again when I get home.
I've ran it 6 hours without a charge with no problems, I suspect it would go 12.
Now it's just part of my routine. Well worth it.
Segways are a terrible comparison (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Segways are a terrible comparison (Score:4, Insightful)
Segways fail as a replacement for bicycles. They don't go any faster, can't be configured to carry significant loads, run on sidewalks instead of streets, and eliminate the health benefits.
Not just fashion (Score:5, Insightful)
>" 'Google Glass fails to acknowledge that walking around with a camera mounted on the side of your face at all times makes you look dorky."
It isn't just dorky, it is rude, creepy, and invasive too. The author and Google (especially the CEO) seems to just completely skirt the entire issue of privacy- not only for the user, but all the hundreds of "victims" around the user, every day. Take out your phone and hold it up in the air, pointed at everyone you pass, meet, talk to, sit next to, and see what kind of reaction you get.
So stop pretending it is just about fashion, it is really insulting.
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It may take 20 years, or it may take 200, but eventually everything a human witnesses will be recorded in a fashion that can be backed up and disseminated. Even people who don't want to will be forced to. Who would want to hire one of the only guys who doesn't have photographic memory and is not a walking encyclopedia?
The real issue is why aren't people admitting that living in a world where everything is recorded is going to be the new reality, and that society has to figure out how to adapt the that ins
the iHipster (Score:2, Insightful)
Because Segways are lame. Theyâ(TM)re too exp (Score:3)
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All those question apply to segways everywhere, not just Seattle. Add to that it seems to be a false dichotomy to think you can only have a car OR a seqway.
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just like comic movies, smart phones, computer games and roleplaying games~
Everyone knows the real answer (Score:2)
It's Eye-Phone! The eye implant which links up to "the cloud" to record everything in your life.
Actually... walking around with a camera on your head is pretty dumb unless you're shooting porn or some youtube skateboarding video.
I don't even care -- I won't likely be using one of those things. I quickly tired of the bluetooth earset thing, though the little jabra speakerphone thing for my car is pretty nice.
Who knows... perceptions change all the time though. The moment some celebrities start strutting a
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Lawnmower Man 2 already used the 'eye-phone.' That movie used it as the name for a compact VR interface headset.
Seriously? Segways are "too rational"? (Score:5, Insightful)
On what planet exactly?
They are slow scooters that require the entire world to adjust to them so those with more money than sense could walk less.
They take up more room than a walking human, have zero cargo capacity AND can't do stairs.
But most importantly they represent an overpriced way of doing something most people can do by just walking - moving slowly in a straight line.
Pepper Spray (Score:3)
Segway versus Car (Score:2)
I can't think of any time I would rather drive a Segway than a car.
I could think of times I would rather Segway than bike, or walk. Segways are far too slow to replace a car for any meaningful distance.
Segway aren't rational for most people... (Score:2)
... they're best designed for workers or students to operate within a radius of a mile or two which is why you see lots of security people use them at larger companies or campuses.
You can't get groceries in a Segway. You can't pick up the kids after school. If the weather changes unexpectedly you'll have a misserable ride. Segways are expensive and would make attractive targets for theft. You can buy a decent bicycle or even a motorcyle for far less. People change their plans during the course of a typ
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It's too creepy and douche-baggy. Nerds should have smart minds, not necessarily smart devices anyway.
Flawed examples (Score:2)
I don't expect google glass to ever become popular for everyday use but do think it will have niche markets but the reasons that Marcus thinks it will fail are completely flawed.
I've never seen anyone use bluetooth and then put it away or have it away and then put it on just for a call, from what I've seen people either leave it on all day looking like douches or put it on the entire time while driving. ie. if they have the headset with them then they are wearing it.
He says segways are lame because they are
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Borg Technology (Score:2)
A primitive singularity.
CC.
Segway is impractical. (Score:2)
Limited charge, exposed to the elements, limited speed and range. So other than places like warehouses, parking lot attendants, sight seeing tours, there is no real market for i
Snow Crash already predicted this (Score:4, Insightful)
The inherent non-acceptability of Google Glass was somewhat predicted by Snow Crash over 20 years ago. One of the characters, a "gargoyle" walks around in full-recording mode at all times, trying to capture every bit of information possible. The description, as given, is at best neutral and my takeaway was that it wasn't considered a positive thing by other information gatherers of that world.
Crapflooding ones own info stream is still crapflooding.
It's the Segway fanboys who are irrational (Score:3)
'If we were all riding around on Segways now, cities would probably be better places to live compared to the car-infested streets we still endure. But that transformation hasn't happened. And it won’t. Why? Because Segways are lame. They’re too rational. They fail to acknowledge all the irrational reasons people love their cars.'"
Only a complete dork could make such a moronic comment. Everyone riding around in Segways would:
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I thought saw a pic of Robert Scoble wearing it over his glasses. It didn't look like it fit well though. Also ... most could wear contacts, but that really doesn't help when you really need to wear sunglasses as well.
Re:Doesn't account for other issues either. (Score:5, Informative)
How did this get modded up? It's been made in in each of the billion previous glass threads that they have versions that can be fitted with prescription lenses.
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Actually we should ask the reverse question: why would people who never wear glasses buy those things? Everyone would have glasses, even those who don't need prescription lenses? I don't think so.
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It seems like it might be fun? I dunno. I can't see wearing one to work, it would be a waste of time and would hardly complement a professional image(oh god when did I become an adult), but when I'm playing an RPG with friends, why wouldn't I want to keep my character sheet/DM notes on a tiny corner of my vision? When I'm going on a bike ride with my girlfriend, why wouldn't I want to be able to record it?
I don't think I'll buy the "all the time" type usage google suggests, but toys can be fun.
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Contacts.
For those who can't wear contacts, wait - eventually, if it's a success, google or a competitor will offer one that allows the easy addition of appropriate lenses.
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