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Why Your New Car's Technology Is Four Years Old 455

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Lucas123 writes "While you can buy a 1TB hard drive for your computer for less than $100, Ford today offers 10GB. Don't expect much more anytime soon. Apart from the obvious — a car's development process can be four years long — the automotive industry also tends to be behind the tech curve because of a lack of equipment standardization. And, while it's possible for the industry to build modular infotainment systems that could be upgraded over the life of the car, there are no plans to do so. Instead, car companies intend to offer software upgradable vehicles through 4G connectivity and data storage and entertainment streaming through the cloud, which means they have to worry less about onboard hardware reliability and standardization."
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Why Your New Car's Technology Is Four Years Old

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  • Not to mention... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Scoth (879800) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:10AM (#43642563)

    They'd probably rather sell you a new car with fancy new technology than let you upgrade your existing technology.

    • by poetmatt (793785) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:25AM (#43642783) Journal

      hey it's not all bad. the security exploits come free of charge! You also have no guarantee they'll be patched, ever! enjoy!

      • Exactly, all that proprietary software will come at a price when you buy one of those Cars used and filled with exploits and the like. Not just Cars, but TVs, Blu-Ray etc. The future is very hackable and costs a lot of money knowing you're basically forced to buy everything brand new or live with exploits.

    • by cjjjer (530715) <cjjjer@hotmBOHRail.com minus physicist> on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:04PM (#43643293)
      And this is different than say cell phone providers or cell phone software vendors? Google, RIM and MS would rather you buy a new device with the latest software than have to support some older version of the software I am sure.
      • by iamgnat (1015755)

        And this is different than say cell phone providers or cell phone software vendors? Google, RIM and MS would rather you buy a new device with the latest software than have to support some older version of the software I am sure.

        Last I checked the vast majority of phones don't have their prices measured in the thousands of dollars for used models and in the tens of thousands for new models even without a contract subsidy.

        I dislike the phone lock-in model as much as most people, but we are talking a slightly different scale here. Hell, most of these integrated head units alone cost more than vast majority of unsubsidized phones.

        • And this is different than say cell phone providers or cell phone software vendors? Google, RIM and MS would rather you buy a new device with the latest software than have to support some older version of the software I am sure.

          Last I checked the vast majority of phones don't have their prices measured in the thousands of dollars for used models and in the tens of thousands for new models even without a contract subsidy.

          I dislike the phone lock-in model as much as most people, but we are talking a slightly different scale here. Hell, most of these integrated head units alone cost more than vast majority of unsubsidized phones.

          Case in point, Audi's MMI is over 3K to upgrade from an already fancy screen to manage car and entertainment.

          • by iamgnat (1015755) on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:49PM (#43643943)

            Case in point, Audi's MMI is over 3K to upgrade from an already fancy screen to manage car and entertainment.

            Indeed, but if you want a real shock go look at what it will cost to replace it if you have to do so out of pocket. And since the systems are so integrated anymore you are almost forced to do so as you've lost a lot more than just your radio/maps (and if they pass the laws that they are talking about to require reverse sensors then you'll have to by law or fail your inspections (in states that have them) since it would then be "safety" equipment).

    • by Archangel Michael (180766) on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:40PM (#43643813) Journal

      No, it is improper planning in the design phase of the car. If Engineers were required to have upgradable components and build a design around modular secondary systems, they could solve these problems quickly. However, modular designs using industry standards is an anathema to dealerships who want and need proprietary components that only they can fix, and charge $150 hour for, while paying their workers $20/hr.

      Tesla is right, why do we need expensive dealerships to sell cars? Why do we even allow protectionist laws on the books? I'm sure they had a great reason to require dealerships 80 years ago. All laws need sunset clauses. And new laws should require compelling evidence that the laws are doing what their purposes were.

  • Reliability needs (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:13AM (#43642621)

    Or, it could be that older technology is more reliable, and that's needed for the service of the vehicle. Much like how SCSI drives have never been up to the same spec for capacity as their IDE counterparts because SCSI was using tried & true technology to maintain reliability. Imagine having a rash of failed 1TB HDs in vehicle infotainment systems. Backlash galore.

    Flash will fill the gap eventually, if not already happening.

    • I would have thought flash would already be in cars given the shock and temperature requirements. I was surprised to hear a 2.5" drive in the dash of my car powering the navigation system.
    • by beelsebob (529313)

      What makes you think older tech is more reliable?

      • Re:Reliability needs (Score:4, Interesting)

        by jellomizer (103300) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:43AM (#43643067)

        It is a common misconception from Techy Guys. They look at old technology with the blinding light of nostalgia. Often confusing equipment they bought 20 years ago that cost thousands of dollars and comparing them against their modern counterpart that cost a few hundred bucks.

        • by beelsebob (529313) on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:04PM (#43643289)

          Often confusing equipment they bought 20 years ago that cost thousands of dollars and comparing them against their modern counterpart that cost a few hundred bucks.

          Interesting, I always assumed that it had an element of confirmation bias to it. "I have a hard disk from 20 years ago that still works" gets conflated with "hard disks from 20 years ago last 20 years", as they ignore all the disks that had failed.

      • by dpilot (134227) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:58AM (#43643223) Homepage Journal

        There has been enough time for it to have a known reliability - time enough to measure it.

        It may well be that new tech is more reliable - but there hasn't been time to measure that. By the time there is, today's new tech will be tomorrow's old tech.

        Accelerated life testing is all well and good, but sometimes there are new mechanisms that aren't kicked out by the old testing. Nothing beats time in grade like time in grade. Twas ever thus when life and liability is on the line.

      • by Cenan (1892902)

        What makes you think older tech is more reliable?

        It's not.
        But older tech generally has more implementations available to choose from, and has been thoroughly tested in real world use by real world ginea pigs (you and me). When faced with a choice of components, you're going to choose the one that's not going to be back in your shop for replacement until after the X year warranty expires.

        If you want to put in these new gizmos, as a auto producer, you'd have to take engineers away from the core business (designing cars) and put them on harddrive crash test

    • Laptops also have reliability needs and there are quite modern laptop HDDs that have been used in millions of laptops for months. Also, the car industry's lack of standardization is irrelevant as the form factors of HDDs have been standardized for ages. Thirdly, (you did mention flash) SSDs have none of the problems of moving parts and cost little compared to a car.

      The only problem I can think of is temperature. Don't know what temperature ranges an USB stick can handle and what's normally used for outdoor
      • Re:Makes no sense (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Joce640k (829181) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:51AM (#43643147) Homepage

        Laptops don't have thousands of lawyers constantly watching them and salivating over the possibility of a class-action lawsuit.

        (they only have hundreds...)

        If I was the boss of a car manufacturing company, I'd be cautious about everything. Nerdy customers moaning over the size of the onboard storage would be a distant second.

  • by ModernGeek (601932) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:15AM (#43642639) Homepage
    There is no reason to have all of this junk in a new car. The only thing one needs is a USB charging port and an aux in for the smartphone to play audio through the cars audio system. Anything else the car does will be done poorly and until more standardization ensues, shouldn't be done. Where there is standardization, there is prosperity (USB, 3.5mm audio, Bluetooth, 12V power plugs)
    • by jeffmeden (135043)

      There is no reason to have all of this junk in a new car. The only thing one needs is a USB charging port and an aux in for the smartphone to play audio through the cars audio system. Anything else the car does will be done poorly and until more standardization ensues, shouldn't be done. Where there is standardization, there is prosperity (USB, 3.5mm audio, Bluetooth, 12V power plugs)

      Dead on. The first thought I had was "why would I want a 1TB hard drive in my car? By the time the 3 months elapsed for the content to be fetched, it would all be out of date!" A smartphone (or other personal electronic device du jour) is in a much better position to be the downloading/processing/storing device in the car, just give it as many good options as possible for the content to be used, and maybe a few good ways for the device to fit (factory smartphone "nest" in the dash? please?)

      Of course, sell

    • My smartphone holds 2GB, so I don't bother with it. Instead, I keep a bunch of CDs in my car to play music. If I had a smartphone with 100GB, I would probably still keep the CDs in my car so I don't need to worry about grabbing my phone or other portable device with a use outside of the vehicle (not to mention attracting theft if left inside the vehicle) every time I want to go for a ride. I'd much rather see a car radio with an SD card slot. This way, I have the option of leaving a 64GB card in there with

    • safety tech (Score:5, Interesting)

      by schlachter (862210) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:38AM (#43642989)

      the tech I care about is safety related...I can't wait until all this stuff is standard equip

      blindspot detection
      lane departure
      collision detection
      adaptive cruise control
      electronic brake distribution / ABS
      navigation

      • by freeze128 (544774) on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:21PM (#43643509)
        If you need technology in the car to tell you that you have just been in a collision, then I don't think you should be driving,
        • sarcasm? (Score:3, Informative)

          by schlachter (862210)

          Ugh. Well...

          1. in many cars, prior to the anticipated accident it tightens the seat belts and applies the brakes
          2. post accident it cuts off the fuel lines, unlocks the doors, turns on the hazard lights, and calls 911 and reports your GPS coords.

      • by c.r.o.c.o (123083)

        the tech I care about is safety related...I can't wait until all this stuff is standard equip

        blindspot detection
        lane departure
        collision detection
        adaptive cruise control
        electronic brake distribution / ABS
        navigation

        Blindspot detection: I have no idea why In North America they don't teach this, but your side mirrors are PERFECT blind spot detectors. The trick is to have ZERO overlap between the cabin mirror and the side mirrors. If you see the same thing twice, you're doing it wrong. With my current setup, by

    • by CastrTroy (595695)
      I agree that there probably needs to be less tech in cars. What there does need to be however, is more standardization. Does it really make sense to have so many custom parts on every different model of car? A hard drive for a PC is so cheap because the same hard drive will work in just about every type of desktop/server/laptop computer sold. Cars seem to be the exact opposite. Parts of cars often aren't even interchangeable between different option packages from cars of the same model/year. And things ar
    • by Sarten-X (1102295)

      Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

      Standardization is important to nerds and manufacturers, but it's not the source of profit for car manufacturers, especially in the luxury market. When somebody's buying a new computer, they look at the number of USB ports and consider what kind of future capabilities the machine will have. When buying a car, they look at the gadgets and think about what features they get now. It doesn't matter if the stereo can't be upgraded with new codecs. What matters is that it plays music

      • If a customer gets burned by a poorly-working feature, they'll forget about it by the time they're ready to make their next purchase,

        This is the same mental mistake the U.S. car manufacturers made in the 70s. It will take longer with this stuff because it is less critical to the long term operation of the car, but in a few years, certain manufacturers' cars will have a lower resale value than those of other manufacturers because they made these decisions now. This will lead fewer people being willing to buy their cars new. Sooner or later, one or more manufacturer will realize that they can gain an edge in the market by selling a vehicle

  • by alen (225700) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:18AM (#43642669)

    first it was car DVD players with LCD screens
    then navigation
    now infotainment systems

    these are normally $2000 upgrades on top of the most expensive models. these are huge profit upsell for what are essentially fairly cheap and old tech. MP3 players were around 15 years ago. it doesn't take a lot of CPU power to play an MP3 and fast forward the songs

  • by BonThomme (239873) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:18AM (#43642671) Homepage

    The top o' the line factory MP3 player in our 2013 Sienna trips all over itself if it encounters a non-standard bitrate. My 3 year old, low budget aftermarket player one takes whatever I throw at it.

  • I would be very displeased if I bought a car that uses a mechanical drive that is going to get bumped around and severely damaged by a cars movement. I would expect that the car uses flash memory. 10GB of flash is still incredibly cheap (~$10) so I would expect more, but comparing desktop HDD capacity to that of a car's is asinine.

    • by jeffmeden (135043)

      I would be very displeased if I bought a car that uses a mechanical drive that is going to get bumped around and severely damaged by a cars movement. I would expect that the car uses flash memory. 10GB of flash is still incredibly cheap (~$10) so I would expect more, but comparing desktop HDD capacity to that of a car's is asinine.

      It probably is flash (even 4 years ago 10gb was cheap) but consumers understand "hard drive" more than the jumble of explanations like "Flash" or "memory" or heaven forbid "solid state storage"...

    • by CCarrot (1562079)

      I would be very displeased if I bought a car that uses a mechanical drive that is going to get bumped around and severely damaged by a cars movement. I would expect that the car uses flash memory. 10GB of flash is still incredibly cheap (~$10) so I would expect more, but comparing desktop HDD capacity to that of a car's is asinine.

      Agreed.

      I do wonder, however, how well your average flash storage stands up to severe, sometimes rapid temperature cycling? My Google-fu must be a bit foggy today, since I can't seem to find any independent testing data, and I'm sure it's out there somewhere...

      Meh. I could see permanent on-board storage being useful for movies in minivans, maybe. At least it keeps the kids from having to swap discs on long car rides...but even that use case is quite hindered if you're restricted to 10 GB, unless your kids

  • Our tech in the Department of the Navy is 10 years old right out of the gate... Tape backup drives, 80/86 processors, bowling alley displays for Combat Information Center. And these things are showing up on newly commissioned warships! Perspective folks - suddenly Ford and their ilk aren't so bad... :-/
    • by alen (225700)

      modern tape drives are faster than disks and a lot more reliable

      a few hundred LTO-4 tapes i have prove it. not a single failure

    • by SJHillman (1966756) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:36AM (#43642931)

      The Antarctic research bases make your Navy tech look bleeding edge. It's all about how reliable you need something and older tech typically has few or no "unknown bugs" left to stumble upon.

      Ford Explorer - If electronics fail, worst case is you have to call a tow truck. More likely, you just need to switch to AM/FM until you get around to fixing the radio.

      Warship - Worst case, you get blown up. More likely, you'd have to withdraw from combat for a bit and can get a replacement flown in within a few days.

      Antarctic Research base - Very limited supplies and the potential to go six months in darkness until a replacement can be flown in.

  • by Picass0 (147474) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:22AM (#43642735) Homepage Journal

    Honestly, if they can't keep up they shouldn't even pretend. I'm sick of cars that have overworked electronics that are just waiting to fail. I don't want my car to be a computer.

    I'd like to see a car maker have the courage to go in the opposite direction - simpler engineering that's easier and more affordable to maintain over the life of a vehicle.

    Back in the 50's and 60's it was much easier for a kid to pop the hood and learn to tear down and rebuild an engine. Now it requires specialized tools. You don't see as many self taught gearheads.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by alen (225700)

      that's because cars broke down a lot and doing the work yourself saved a lot of money

      modern cars will go a hundred thousand miles before a $350 service to replace some worn out parts. and even more before real components start to fail. no reason to learn to fix a car anymore except for the very basics. waste of time.

      as far as GUI, my Honda CR-V has a nice GUI to show me the speed, mileage, and other data. Google and some of the other data fiends are going into the wrong direction with apps that try to bomba

      • your timing belt, water pump, other belt replacement is 350$? i just spent 1200 for mine. that's not chump change. most shops end up at 350 for a standard brake pad replacement every couple of years.

    • by H3lldr0p (40304) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:35AM (#43642909) Homepage

      The problem here is that you will loose a lot of the things which make the engines smaller (better managing of head-gasket displacement, so smaller bore and stroke to get the same amount of power), more efficient (direct fuel injection and stroke cycles), less polluting (no need for a leaded fuel to get burn and temperatures necessary for combustion not to mention the catalytic converters), quieter (see the previous reasons), and generally more pleasant to be around as I am not choking on the smog created by the engine when it is started up.

      I, for one, like to have all of those things in my car and any future cars I wish to purchase. Of course those things will require special tools. Working on engines have always required special tools.

      There is a certain amount of missing the forest for the trees in your statement, I feel.

      • by drinkypoo (153816)

        The problem here is that you will loose a lot of the things which make the engines smaller (better managing of head-gasket displacement, so smaller bore and stroke to get the same amount of power), more efficient (direct fuel injection and stroke cycles),

        DI diesels aren't necessarily more fuel efficient than IDIs, and IDIs can burn more fuels which seems odd but is true in practice. Variable valve timing is quite beneficial, however, so it seems a shame to throw over all modern features.

        less polluting (no need for a leaded fuel to get burn and temperatures necessary for combustion not to mention the catalytic converters), quieter (see the previous reasons),

        They didn't need leaded fuels either, it was just much cheaper than hardened valves and seats.

        and generally more pleasant to be around as I am not choking on the smog created by the engine when it is started up.

        Only EVs offer that.

        I, for one, like to have all of those things in my car and any future cars I wish to purchase. Of course those things will require special tools. Working on engines have always required special tools.

        Well, no. "Special" tools are those not good for working on anything else. The only tool like that which is necessarily involved in long-lifespan engine maintena

        • by longbot (789962)
          Is it bad that I know that your Mercedes is one of the W123 era diesels (or older) just from you mentioning those special wrenches (of which I also have a set)?
      • by tompaulco (629533)
        Working on engines have always required special tools.
        I don't know about that. You can do most tasks with just screwdrivers, some pliers and a good deep socket set. Now, if you're replacing a head gasket or something, you will want a proper torque wrench (note that if you take it the dealer, they are probably NOT going to bother to torque it to spec, just wrench the hell out of it until it won't turn any more). There are a few special tools that I have borrowed from time to time from O'Reilly or Autozone.
    • Back in the 50's and 60's it was much easier for a kid to pop the hood and learn to tear down and rebuild an engine. Now it requires specialized tools.

      You must not be young enough to remember those days, or you are old enough but don't really have any experience. Or you have a *seriously* thick pair of rose colored reality distortion glasses and false memories of a lost Golden Age.

      Back then, you frequently *had* to learn how to maintain and overhaul your car - because the damn things broke down so

  • by nimbius (983462) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:27AM (#43642795) Homepage

    car companies intend to offer software upgradable vehicles through 4G connectivity and data storage and entertainment streaming through the cloud

    in english: car companies are and will continue to be behind the curve because most technology has to be tested to ensure it does not affect the engine control module, electronic stability computer, or other critical systems necessary to have a car in the 21st century. a 10gb drive may be ok, but a 1tb drive with different geometric characteristics may result in a current induction or RF interference that overrides TPMS and reports tires as too low, or for example triggers impact pre-sensors for the airbags (or worse, enabling a multistage airbag for a passenger under 45 pounds.) Having worked for a major asian automotive manufacturer, i've personally seen RF emitted from a hybrid vehicle transmission that caused unpredictable, unintentional airbag detonation. after 6 months of additional testing it had been resolved before the vehicle entered production, but the fix produced another bug that resulted in TBW signal corruption and a sharp vehicle accelleration, followed by a forced shutdown as the vehicle detected the condition.

    TL;DR: your car has more technology than most people readily consider. slow and steady is a good thing.

  • Am I the only one? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheRealMindChild (743925) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:28AM (#43642825) Homepage Journal
    Am I the only one that doesn't want a car that needs software updates?
    • Am I the only one that doesn't want a car that needs software updates?

      You're missing out on all the pre-patching, best testing, out of control Prius going 88MPH on the highway adrenaline rush though.

    • by afidel (530433)

      Yes. Or at least you're by far in the minority. The auto manufacturers have seen that gadgets sell new cars and are a way to differentiate themselves from the competition so if you think you'll see less features from here on out you're mistaken. The only refuge will probably be stripped work vehicles (Ford Sprinter vans and the like) or high end road legal race cars.

    • "Engine halted. Firmware update in progress. Please wait."
  • The hardware may be 4 years old but the software and RF security is at least pre-1980's, lol.
  • the stereo in my honda CR-v has a USB port. i plug in my iphone 5 and it plays from the device and from the different radio apps. it can also play from a USB stick.

    what's the point of a hard drive?

  • by bertomatic (2743049) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:39AM (#43642993)
    International standard ISO 7736. Cars have had "modular infotainment systems" for as long as I can remember. My old Z car had an am radio, that later upgraded to FM cassette, then added a 6-disc CD changer, then when the changer finally died, yanked it all, installed a flip out 7" LCD w/bluetooth, NAVi, Pandora, etc. Every car I ever owned eventually got some kind of upgrade to the "infotainment system." What I see happening is bluetooth taking the show, and your phone does everything else, the car would only have an amp, speakers, touchscreen, and bluetooth, that is all, it doesn't NEED a hd, no 4G, no disks, no computer, nothing. Want an upgrade? Get a new phone, or may only need an app for that.
  • by GameboyRMH (1153867) <gameboyrmh@NoSpAM.gmail.com> on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:40AM (#43643021) Journal

    And, while it's possible for the industry to build modular infotainment systems that could be upgraded over the life of the car, there are no plans to do so.

    O RLY?

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/22/nvidia_car_software/ [theregister.co.uk]

  • Having standard connectors could cut costs for car manufacturers. If you've ever replaced a car radio for your own instead of cheapo car radio, you run into the problem of needing different adapters to connect into a cars wiring loom.

    How difficult is it to have manufacturers use ONE connector for +ve, GND, +VCC (for memory backup), and maybe one aux wire for security. Then there's the speakers connections! The car radio manufacturers have standardised more or less, but the car manufacturers have not.

  • by GodfatherofSoul (174979) on Monday May 06, 2013 @11:43AM (#43643061)

    You don't want to find out about an SSD read/write bug when you're 1 billion miles from earth. Let the technology shake out the bugs, then buy a reliable, cheaper product.

    • I was just typing the same thing when I looked up and saw your subject line. (Great minds and all that.... :-) ) You use what is proven and debugged and known. You don't use bleeding edge technology in a vehicle becuase of the consequences of systems failures and how it may intereact with the other technologies. BTW, I own a Ford Fusion Hybrid and I'm quite pleased with the onboard tech.
  • How about a cd player that doesn't start going haywire after a few years of use?
  • by sinij (911942) on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:05PM (#43643313) Journal
    >>> Instead, car companies intend to offer software upgradable vehicles through 4G connectivity

    This is fundamentally bad idea. Ability to remotely modify anything on a car is a disaster waiting to happen. Cars still last 15-20 years, what decade-old security or cryptography do you still trust in your everyday computing?

    I can already see buffer overflow into root, then pushing custom firmware that interprets any accelerator input as maximum throttle and overrides braking by using traction control to redirect it to a single front wheel resulting in a spin-out.
  • by BenJeremy (181303) on Monday May 06, 2013 @12:07PM (#43643345)

    I spent 3 years (2003~2006) working with a company to deliver MP3 Car Stereos for GM. I believe they still deliver vehicles with them, but keep in mind, very little change had occurred in car stereos before that. Telematics (Auto PCs) had been worked on, too, I was involved with projects at Visteon and Lear, but that was 1999~2002 time frame, and the technology just wasn't there.

    There is also a lot more to development of automotive ANYTHING. Electronics have to be a lot more robust (-40degF~140degF, high humidity, vibration, shock, etc...), materials used have to match the car interiors (and be properly made to not fade 'differently' from the rest). Once a product is usable, it goes through a lot of tweaking, as product line engineers determine calibrations to set (like lighting, for example). Failure Modes need to be sorted out to make it as bullet-proof as possible.

    Oh, and LOTS AND LOTS of testing. On the bench, in the cars...

    We had looked at jumpstarting more advanced tech, like HDDs in the radios to act as radio 'DVRs' and store user's audio tracks. At the time, drives were cost prohibitive and there were still too many legal issues to make it practical.

    Mix in the regulatory issues like Driver Distraction, and an immature market, and there are good reasons why design hasn't settled down yet. It's just not as simple as throwing in a general purpose PC with a touchscreen mounted to the dash.

    Five years ago, we (drivers) were all buying dedicated GPS units - now we get those features in our smart phones and tablets and desire integration into the car. Dashcams are all the rage in Russia, and probably should be everywhere else. Cars are getting smarter with vision systems (having worked on some of those systems now in use, you cannot imagine just how complicated those are) that do everything from detecting lane changes, signs and oncoming headlights (to dim brights) to braking for unexpected hazards.

    The problem with this, and why I bring it up, is that we have no idea what form factors and features we'll demand in 5 years. Automotive, much like mobile, is undergoing tremendous growth where automation is concerned. Unlike mobile, there are still a lot of things computers can do for us as features of our cars that we really haven't fully figured out yet.

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