Google Chrome 27 Is Out: 5% Faster Page Loads 195
An anonymous reader writes "Google on Tuesday released Chrome version 27 for Windows, Mac, and Linux. The new version features a big boost to page loads (now 5 percent faster on average) as well as significant updates for developers. The speed improvement is thanks to the introduction of 'smarter behind-the-scenes resource scheduling,' according to Google. Starting with this release, the scheduler more aggressively uses an idle connection and demotes the priority of preloaded resources so that they don’t interfere with critical assets."
Holy Mackerel (Score:2)
Golly, Mr Wizard. I'm gonna pitch Firefox now.
Re:Holy Mackerel (Score:5, Funny)
Guess I'll replace it with a Chromebook.
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Page used to load really fast in 1990s in mosaic then, Netscape as long as you had something like a T1 connection. Now, funnily enough, the software layer involved in serving dynamic content and all the xml, third party sites and what not network calls the browser has to make before actually counting the page as loaded make it seem like the software layer has become the bottle-neck. This sounds silly to me, maybe we over did a bit?
Re:Holy Mackerel (Score:5, Insightful)
I think Google and FB and others like them have a lot of blame to share for the web needing a 10X fatter pipe to get the same speed: if every freaking page didn't have to talk to Google Analytics, send your cookie to FB for tracking etc either before (likely) or during page load perhaps you could actually enjoy the content you are there for in the first place on a slow connection. Now you need the fast pipe just to get all the preamble out of the way to all parties interested.
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I think the proper person to blame for embedding GA and FB tracking is the webmaster, not Google and Facebook.
Re:Holy Mackerel (Score:4, Interesting)
True but claiming to save 5% of load time by making a browser while at the same time marketing products that slow down the page load in the first place seems kind of circular.
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True but claiming to save 5% of load time by making a browser while at the same time marketing products that slow down the page load in the first place seems kind of circular.
Without the shitty marketing products Google and Facebook would cease to exist.
Money makes the world go round and neither of these companies would exist without some way of making money, however great Google search and Facebooks social network is. They both now need huge internet pipes and servers which does not come cheap.
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You could always install "ScriptSafe" for Chrome (or NoScript for FF) and blacklist JS from those domains.
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Not sure if it would be granular enough. I use Google products and would want js to work but only when I'm actually browsing to one of their sites. Similarly with others: blocking JS that only comes from and points too things internal to the site I choose to browse too I'm okay with. Generally it is when they bounce me around/send data elsewhere I'm not aware of that I don't like. After all viewing donkey porn is obvious to the site you visit but that doesn't mean you want eBay knowing about it.
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Good points but you and other RP suggestor give. I agree NS isn't the way to go. It least for me and most people I meet they aren't say no JS they are saying I don't want this particular piece of JS running. More granularity is needed so the video on the page you are viewing works while the sidebar add that wants to run a video doesn't. Being able to specify policies blocking the shadier parts of the web would be nice.
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Well back in the 1990's the common web page was text with a few hyper links, and if you were really fancy you had a picture.
The bottle neck was the speed of the line.
However html has transformed from a way to displaying documents, to more of an application platform.
Complain if you like about it, but it is here to stay, and modern heavy html has solved a lot of problems. Such as platform independent programs, universal access to a program, easy deployment, etc...
Yes we have sacrificed speed for convenience,
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However html has transformed from a way to displaying documents, to more of an application platform.
I know this obviously, I just asked if we had over done it? Never ask a question for which you do not already know the answer. The answer is yes, we have over done it, mostly not paying attention to code optimization at the core. More memory and faster CPU cycles is nowadays cheaper that efficiency at the core of program logic.
Complain if you like about it, but it is here to stay, and modern heavy html has solved a lot of problems. Such as platform independent programs, universal access to a program, easy deployment, etc...
Yes we have sacrificed speed for convenience, but I think it is worth it.
I never complained about anything. My OP was merely an observation of what had happened; We got lazy, not everybody can code efficiently and it is cheaper to rely on more horsepower t
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Nah it would never leave your house. Otherwise how is Google going to collect all that analytics data?
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Sure, if you like Google knowing what you're browsing. I just dumped Chrome after several years for Firefox.
It's too easy to use Google for everything.
Re:Holy Mackerel (Score:5, Informative)
If you want a Google Chrome like browser I would recommend Chromium, which unlike Google Chrome is open source and doesn't track you as much as their proprietary product. You will miss out on some of the extra features available only in Google Chrome, but most of it should be the same.
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I'd rather have a 10x faster connection. (Score:4, Insightful)
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You could be a lot worse. In my country (Venezuela) the average broadband download speed is 1.3MBits.
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Agreed we are just a couple Stanley Cups away from getting some good flag burning going on north of the border. Used to be people always talked about how we are in things together now it is bitching about how the PM is a puppet or how some dumb US law is going to force canadian governments or companies to follow along since they have business interests there.
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I knew we never should have invaded canada.
Re:I'd rather have a 10x faster connection. (Score:4, Funny)
It's called "Bush Derangement Syndrome". Look it up. It's a mental illness that causes people to start ranting apropos of nothing.
Why tell us about it? Go talk to your doctor.
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Is that like "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" because I know and have read of many people who still rant about how horrible that guy was despite having a growing economy, almost bringing some modicum of peace to the Palestinian/Israeli issue, being able form and enunciate coherent sentences and aside from getting a blowjob by a near heifer, didn't invade other countries just for the lulz.
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I get 40Mbps/5Mbps (actual speed usually ~36Mbps) from my local telco in the U.S., and I'm in fly-over American nowhere near the coast, so I really don't have a clue why there is so much complaining about Internet in the U.S. I have Netflix and tons of computers, and I'm not even close to saturating my link. It's the fastest in my area, though many cities around where I live have 1Gbps access. I pay a decent chunk of cash for my access, but it certainly isn't anything I can't afford. Some areas (which are usually more rural) have fewer options and slower access, and other areas have it better than I do.
You don't have a clue because you have a decent connection. Lots of us don't- far more than in other countries. Worse, there are no plans to get us anything better in the next decade. I live in a semi-rural area in a small town (Gettysburg)- not exactly the sticks. I just managed to upgrade my home network connection. I had been on 1.5 Mbps, but I now have the absolute fastest CenturyLink could sell me- 6Mbps. I'm not expecting another upgrade anytime soon...
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CPUs are magnitudes faster today than they were 10 years ago. Why is it that pages still take seconds to load? Go back 10 years and they still took the same amount of time. Why?
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Latency. The world isn't getting any smaller.
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The same reason that Angband ran faster than Far Cry 3; modern webpages are doing more than the text-and-occasional-link of 10 years ago.
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They're not CPU bound; I said they're "doing more" - like pulling javascript APIs from half a dozen different web services, loading massive (compared to 2003) images, buffering video, and doing who knows what with javascript.
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If you read the article, you'd see this was all about the network being the bottle-neck; the update changes the way the browser preloads resources while the network's blocking on the download of others.
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CPUs are magnitudes faster today than they were 10 years ago. Why is it that pages still take seconds to load? Go back 10 years and they still took the same amount of time. Why?
I'd assume that web devs(and their bean-counter overlords) are calibrating to user demands, not to the absolute objective of cutting down load times.
More bandwidth? Hey, we can replace all those 256-color .gifs and solid backgrounds with non-crunchy jpegs! More still? How about some Flash videos? Ooh, faster CPU? If we just load 20kb worth of javascript we can do all kinds of things without the old forms/refresh dance by doing xmlhttprequests and twiddling the DOM...
If you were content with the web page of
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given that much of what we have today is a nearly proper superset of ten years ago, there wouldn't be much stopping you from doing 10-year-old page styles on modern browsers
[blink]i disagree![/blink]
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I run Firefox/Aurora with NoScript - even basic pages showing a single picture (IMGUR and its friends) doesn't work.
Somehow, being given a unique URL and showing the related picture requires client-side script in order to load said picture.
Meanwhile, to get a faster internet, add Facebook and select Google domains to your internet filter (in router, AdBlock or whichever you prefer), and surfing suddenly gets more than 5% faster for most of the internets.
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Somehow, being given a unique URL and showing the related picture requires client-side script in order to load said picture.
More likely to try and stop you copying the image without permission. After all, it's not like there's a local cache or tools such as Fiddler.
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Absolutely, thanks to all the spyware scripts like:
http://google-analytics.com/trackme.js
http://scorecardresearch.com/wetrackyou.js
http://iamgoogleandiwantyourinfo.com/youreanidiot.js
http://pleasesayfuckyoutoyourprivacy-google.com/youvebeenraped.js
All of which are automatically included in each page you view with Chrome.
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We need a way of selectively blocking Javascript on web sites. Adblock doesn't seem to be fine grained enough and only focuses on ads. It should be possible to block pointless eye candy crap that makes the page take a long time to load.
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Because most places have the same internet they had 10 years ago.
Re:5% (Score:5, Interesting)
Try loading a page that hasn't changed for years.
I will offer as my suggestion, the Space Jam movie homepage:
http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm [warnerbros.com]
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Arggh. How did anyone ever think those graphics were a good idea.
Ugggghhh!! It's like the return of Geocities.
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CPUs are magnitudes faster today than they were 10 years ago. Why is it that pages still take seconds to load? Go back 10 years and they still took the same amount of time. Why?
The two major updates so far this week: Google Chrome, which now renders faster, and flickr, which has significantly more complex and larger graphics. As things get able to and display process more, more is asked of them. We aren't targeting 580px wide simple HTML, no CSS and 15 color gifs. Nor are we targeting a single platform and the simple display of information. Even if you're just displaying stuff, if you're doing it right, you're divorcing content from presentation and sending a handful of files
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10 years ago did every frigging page talk to a dozen different sites about your browsing history before loading? How about having lots of video? There is still more developers would love to cram in but there is about 0.5/2s window where you can load before people get bored and leave we just load more crap and do more client side processing now to use up the bandwidth and CPU. Oh yeah and latency as others mention: you still got to push the electrons around.
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There is still more developers would love to cram in but there is about 0.5/2s window where you can load before people get bored and leave we just load more crap and do more client side processing now to use up the bandwidth and CPU.
Contrary to the popular belief on slashdot us professional web developers do not sit around thinking of ways to use new browser features to make sites as slow as shit.
Instead clients come to us as some graphic designer has mocked up this amazing new site for them with tons of flash animations they created, psd files that represent all aspects of the site with each layer representing a different page and some notes on which bits of the site need to be easily editable by the client, which bits obtain dynamic
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I think once you've become a webdeveloper you've already shot yourself in the head ;) Server side is the place to be :)
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I think once you've become a webdeveloper you've already shot yourself in the head ;) Server side is the place to be :)
Not really sure what you mean as i write mostly server side code even as a web developer.
If you mean being a server admin then I do that too but it doesn't pay as much as I would like.
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No I meant more data access/web services layer not javascript/CSS/HTML/flavor of the month client side monkey :)
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Thank you for that.
http://web.archive.org/web/20001219170800/http://slashdot.org/articles/98/11/11/1011216.shtml [archive.org]
"So IBM announces a 25 gig hard drive... does the world need this yet? Unless this is in a RAID, would you really want to trust 25 gigs on a single drive? What would you use this for?"
Re: 5% (Score:2, Interesting)
More's the pity. "Here's your content (ie, text or picture),, and by the way here's an unrelated auto play video for you!"
So... (Score:5, Funny)
Is "'smarter behind-the-scenes resource scheduling,'" a codeword for 'not loading huge fucking flash objects from shitty overloaded ad servers'? Because that really helps with load times...
Flashblock (Score:3)
Re:Flashblock (Score:4, Informative)
Extension? Chrome and Firefox both have that capability native these days.
Firefox: Go to about:config and search for click_to. Turn it to true. (It's really neat and even tells you what type of content you'll load before you click.)
Chrome: Go to chrome://settings/content and select Click to play for plugins.
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That's not chrome's fault. User error, as always, for browsing the web without adblock, flashblock and plugins on autoload.
..why do you think google got into browser game if not for shipping a browser that doesn't block their ads and tracking _by_default_.
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Umm ALL browsers allow ads and tracking cookies by default.
Well, IE10 asks nicely for servers to not track you, but we have yet to see how well that will work in the long run.
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But what if they got into the browser support partly because they thought all the other browsers out there sucked?
And what makes you think that Apple, MS, and Mozilla not "track" you? They all do. Even slashdot does. Don't like it, don't use it.
Flashblock is in-built in Chrome (Score:2)
Also, I think Google Chrome is first browser to implement click to play flashblock in browser, and that is a good thing.
Settings -> Content Settings -> Plug-Ins and select "Click to play". You can also make exception like PDF reader to allow always.
I Tried It, But It Was Still Ridiculously Slow (Score:4, Interesting)
The hideously poor performance that I observed had nothing whatsoever to do with Chrome or the browser, the problem was that in order to paint a simple page, my browser was also sent to the following hosts: a.fsdn.com, b.scorecardresearch.com, ad.doubleclick.net (47 times), fls.doubleclick.net, ajax.googleapis.com, www.google-analytics.net, libs.coremetrics.com, edge.quantserv.com, js.bizographics.com, ad.yieldmanager.com, r.twimg.com, and several connections to facebook and twitter, which are really puzzling since I have no facebook or twitter account. After about 3 minutes, something in the world of TCP/IP finally closed a couple of the doubleclick connections and the browser painted the page!
Re:I Tried It, But It Was Still Ridiculously Slow (Score:4, Insightful)
This is a browser problem because the browser should not wait for all of those sites to be contacted before painting the page
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Alternatively a problem with the scripts, caused either by the developer loading them in the head instead of after body close, or by the authors of the scripts for writing them so that they only work when placed in the head.
Scripts go after body close. If you don't like that, enjoy your high bounce rates.
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RAM usage is big issue, not CPU (Score:5, Insightful)
Its memory usage that is such a great problem for me, not really the issue of CPU time. If chrome is constantly cuasing disk caching because of the enormous memory usage, that is going to cause massive speed degredation, which is far greater than any 5% decrease in CPU time by an algorithm. I wish Chrome had a feature for not storing uncompressed copies of image if they are off screen and would fix the massive memory holes. Really no reason a browser should use more than 5-10 MB of RAM per open tab.
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On the other hand, what memory holes? I run chrome for weeks, no issues whatsoever.
Re:RAM usage is big issue, not CPU (Score:5, Insightful)
Buy more ram. It's cheap. You'll be much happier, and not just with chrome.
Buying more RAM only makes sense if there is somewhere to put it.
Of three laptops we have, one is limited to 8 GB and the two ultraportables to 2 GB.
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And why is that? Because people see laptops as disposables. There is little pressure for an OEM to spec a motherboard with a few extra SO-DIMM sockets, when people aren't planning to upgrade their laptops most of the time, or are going to buy a new one when they do (which will come with the more RAM).
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I run Chrone on a 4GB laptop, typically have 30+ tabs open with peeks over maybe 80+ and don't see any memory issues. Are you opening 20 copies of Farmville or something?
I think people need to recognize that some web sites chew RAM. The browser can do nothing about it, they just have that much content that needs to be rendered.
If you can't add more RAM try and SSD. At least then swapping will be near instant (500MB/sec reads).
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ram isn't much of an issue on a desktop.
I got "just" 8 gigs and pretty much never go over 75% usage for extended periods of time.. even eclipse just takes 766mbytes!
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Good for you. There are some people out there for whom 2 GB of email storage space is enough, or a 32 GB SSD is big enough. Or 32-bit processors are good enough.
Technology, progress in life, is driven by people for whom the status quo was not good enough. We have 64-bit processors because some people decided that 32-bit processors simply wouldn't do. This is the same reason we use light bulbs, instead of candles, to illuminate our homes, and why you don't spend most of your life being chased by something bi
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I was pointing out that I would use more ram if it brought things to work otherwise faster. even eclipse.
I could do with 100mbytes of email storage. my laptop isn't maxed out on ram, if there was an advantage of getting another 8 gigs I would.
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Lets hope it's more stable than last version (Score:2)
Build-in flash module crash so frequently it isn't funny.
Wow! 5%!! (Score:2)
Let's start a chant
Yaaayy GOOGLE!
unscientific/unsubstantiated report (Score:2)
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Upgraded and all my open tabs have failed to reappear. That's no good.
Don't care (Score:2)
And once again they keep the fundamental flaws... (Score:2)
Once again, they didn't address the real 2 problems of Chrome:
- On demand loading of pages (at least) like Firefox does. Many of us have lots of pages open in the browser. Firefox only loads those that we visit upon starting, from what I read Opera is working on that... Chrome chokes and slows to a crawl and ramps up the memory usage of the system.
- An usable tab manager? Please? Is that so complicated to understand? How the hell are we supposed to use a browser that keeps shrinking the tab handlers until
Have they fixed the crashing "google talk plugin"? (Score:2)
Have they enabled .opus playback by default yet? (Score:2)
Last time I looked, you could enable playback of opus [opus-codec.org] audio by starting chrom(e|ium) with a special command-line switch, but they were refusing to enable it by default until there was opus-in-webm support (a format that as far as I know still doesn't even exist).
Meanwhile, Firefox has played .opus for about a year now...
Please suggest a better browser! (Score:2)
Glad to see some serious ripping of Chrome here.
It sucks and not just a little.
Like Microsoft, Google is trying to be all things to all people and this just makes for shit software.
Why the fuck do they need to use so much memory?
Try http://www.crazybrowser.com/ [crazybrowser.com]
as an example of the size a browser should be
does not work for some pages so its the lesser of an evil for now anyway.
but seriously, Google is doing so much shit in the background that you need to give up mo
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maybe he needs javascript, CSS layout and other things most web pages these days insist on, which links wont do?
Re: Opera with text-only (Score:4, Informative)
Links (elinks I think is the package name) is a console browser with some CSS layout support (unlike lynx when I replaced it).
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Chrome is optimized for Comic Sans. Other fonts are for pretentious hipsters.
Re:is gmail faster in it? (Score:5, Interesting)
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But wait...it's a client speed up optimization. All in all it would cause the same amount of traffic just reordered to start pages render sooner.
As for Joe Human, his reaction time is at about 20ms. Hence @5% improvement would be theoretically "noticeable" in a 2 seconds page load. But unnoticeable if Joe Human would have to observe it relative to 2 seconds total. Likely even with a stop watch Joe H. would be in "error area". And 100ms would be an improvement on a 20s load which would challenge patience of
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As for Joe Human, his reaction time is at about 20ms. Hence @5% improvement would be theoretically "noticeable" in a 2 seconds page load. But unnoticeable if Joe Human would have to observe it relative to 2 seconds total. Likely even with a stop watch Joe H. would be in "error area". And 100ms would be an improvement on a 20s load which would challenge patience of any Joe H.
Reaction time is how long it takes you to process a stimulus and initiate a physical action in response - it's not how long it takes you to notice something. Joe Human's sitting there wondering wondering why he's letting this site steal the precious moments of his life away from him loading ads for stuff he doesn't care about. He might not have time to hit the Cancel control before the page finishes loading but he knows his time's been wasted.
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It's a continuous curve. If it took 10 minutes, few would stick around. If instantaneous, everybody would, and only quality of results would matter. For each fraction of a second delay in-between, you get a nice sine curve of people giving up.
This was the source of an interesting analysis that forcing airlines to give free baby seats would cost more lives than it saved by driving a small fraction of people to take the car instead. You can't get something for free, and the additional dimes added to every
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How the hell are eBay and Paypal still in business? Their sites are achingly slow.
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No real competition.
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5% is 5%. It is barely on the edge of human perception. The average Joe would have difficulty noticing even if he were challenged to do so.
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Then you might want to use Chromium instead. Chromium is open source unlike Google Chrome, and doesn't include the same tracking system that Google adds to its proprietary product.
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wow, the first mention of goatse in slashdot *without a link*