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You Will Get DirectX 11.2 Only With Windows 8.1 403

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SmartAboutThings writes "Microsoft has just announced the next version of DirectX, 11.2, on its website. But the real 'problem' is that it is going to be exclusive to Windows 8.1 and next generation consoles — Xbox One and Play Station 4. This is not news, as DirectX 11.1 was exclusive to Windows 7 & 8. But is this going to help Microsoft convince people to ugprade or will make them angry?"
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You Will Get DirectX 11.2 Only With Windows 8.1

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  • Mehh (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 29, 2013 @06:53AM (#44141091)

    Increment updates do not justify an upgrade...especially to a downgrade such as win8

  • by erroneus (253617) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @06:56AM (#44141101) Homepage

    Direct X is for games. And people who want to play their games will give up all sorts of important things in order to play them.

    Recently, the always-online and amazingly intrusive Microsoft eye have caused Microsoft to back off on some things and that's encouraging, but the behavior is obvious and Microsoft wouldn't try it if they didn't think they could get away with it.

    "Oh, I hate Windows 8...I'll never use that... oh? What's that? The next release of my favorite game? Only on Windows 8? I hate Windows 8... oh well... Windows 8 'just so I can play my game.'"

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      game companies follow their sheeple.

      what kind of an insane madman would do a high budget game and only publish it on windows 8.1 and not 7 at all?

      notice that there is a bunch of games, low budget - some even practically paid by ms - that are windows 8 exclusive. because they're metro. because companies took ms's marketing budget money they were just giving away in exchange of companies developing metro store products(and because for getting that money you had to be exclusive to metro store.. well, nobody w

      • by Joce640k (829181)

        game companies follow their sheeple.

        what kind of an insane madman would do a high budget game and only publish it on windows 8.1 and not 7 at all?

        Nobody.

        But ... Microsoft might pay them to put some "Windows 8 only" features in their games (prominently greyed out in Windows 7).

    • by Mike Frett (2811077) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @08:12AM (#44141299)

      But the good news is that more developers see DirectX as a single-platform solution and are pushing more resources to OpenGL development. Hence a recent quote from the Natural Selection 2 team:

      "The drawback of D3D11 is that it is not universal. It only works on machines running the requisite operating system, and on hardware capable of understanding the instructions it sends. According to to the Valve Hardware Survey, the penetration of D3D11 capable machines is increasing. But crucially, machines incapable of any D3D rendering are also a growing market: Linux distributions and Mac OSX.".

      And from Leadwerks, the tool to build AAA Linux games on Linux. Their Kickstarter is set to complete and the Steam Greenlight was one of the quickest in history:

      "It's interesting that as popular technology is becoming more locked-down, from the Windows 8 closed app store to the increasing DRM requirements of the new consoles, people are responding by showing a new interest in open systems like Linux and Valve's upcoming SteamBox. I'm a hardcore PC gamer, and it's disappointing to me how Microsoft has treated games on Windows like an unwanted child for so long."

      Times are changing, the Windows crowd can kick and scream all they want. And with all the NSA information about Microsoft being their #1 fan, it takes complete ignorance or just sheer insanity on the part of people to use anything from Microsoft. I used Windows for 15 years until last year, but my eyes opened and there isn't a way in hell I would have a product from Microsoft in my Home. I'm sorry if it hurts to hear this, but it is what it is.

      Game developer Simon Roth said this recently on twitter that got props from other Devs: "Never waste time learning any of Microsoft's proprietary API's."
      A lot of Indie devs feel the same way, and like it or not, Indie is the future of Gaming. Ouya, MadCatz, Google -- you can see it changing before your eyes.

    • by Seumas (6865)

      So you're "sheeple" (what a really unoriginal and meaningless way to refer to people) if you play either of the consoles. Be a man and play PC (yes, my preferred gaming system, of course). But if you play games on the PC with Windows, you're still sheeple...

      I guess the only way to be a 1337 d00d is to play all those amazing to notch big-budget games that are put out on the linux platform (yes, there are a bunch of linux games and many decent ones, but seriously this is not sufficient if you're an avid gamer

    • "Oh, I hate Windows 8...I'll never use that... oh? What's that? The next release of my favorite game? Only on Windows 8? I hate Windows 8... oh well... Windows 8 'just so I can play my game.'"

      Right, because that sort of thing worked so well with Vista and Halo 2.

      It doesn't work because a) computers require a significant outlay of cash, b) computers are used for things OTHER than games, and c) there are numerous alternatives available (consoles, Mac, Linux, portables, SteamBox(?)).

      Unfortunately, Microsoft se

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 29, 2013 @06:57AM (#44141103)

    Where does it say the PS4 is getting it? I saw no mention of that.

  • Playstation 4? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Paul King (2953311) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @06:58AM (#44141113)
    "...is going to be exclusive to Windows 8.1 and next generation consoles — Xbox One and Play Station 4." When did Microsoft start developing for Playstation 4?
  • by am 2k (217885) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @06:59AM (#44141119) Homepage

    What? Where did that come from?

  • by rsmith-mac (639075) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @06:59AM (#44141123)

    Undoubtedly it will make the some people angry.

    But for anyone that does Windows graphics development and knows something about the underlying system, it's not a big deal. We've known that adding some of these features to Direct3D would require making some changes to the underlying display driver stack (WDDM), which is why D3D 11.2 requires WDDM 1.3 drivers, and WDDM 1.3 requires Windows 8.1. Unless of course you want Microsoft backporting a new version of the display driver stack and breaking your old OSes...

    TL;DR: D3D 11.2 requiring Win8.1 can't be helped

  • Whatever (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sevalecan (1070490) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @07:15AM (#44141161)

    Well, it's true that I don't play a lot of games these days. I spend a lot more time pursuing my goals in life, so I don't have hours and hours to just sit down and immerse myself in all sorts of high end games. I tend to stick to a few that I like and play them from time to time, and DX 11.2 isn't required by any of them, or even the new title(s) that I'm interested in which are still WIP.

    Other than that, I spend the vast majority of my time on Linux with KDE 4. Even moreso with Minecraft working on multiple platforms due to Java. The only new title I'm currently interested in is Planetary Annihilation, which if I recall correctly, will support a Linux port. So I guess my care-o-meter about this announcement is somewhere around zero.

    I will say this, though. The user interface style that was developed, with a task bar and normal start-menu (not this metro start screen crap) was developed and refined over a period of 20+ years or so now. It's available across many operating systems and kernels. It's there because it works rather well. If you ask me, this touch-centric crap that Microsoft is pushing isn't much good beyond tablets and phones, where your primary mode of interface is your finger on a screen.

    So, tablets and phones came along and a new interface style was designed that worked better with almost-exclusively touch-screen interface devices... Then Microsoft decided that *everything* should use this interface. I'm not interested in relearning how to use my Desktop's or Laptop's interfaces. Screw Windows 8. If I found a part of my computer's user interface to be highly inefficient, requiring a redesign to solve the problem, I'd be very aware of it. I hate wasting time. But the stuff before Metro in most cases doesn't give me that impression. Metro does.

    So there's my possibly subjective rant. But hey, the article asked.

  • by bfwebster (90513) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @07:47AM (#44141237) Homepage

    I think MS is seriously underestimating the reluctance of its base to move off Win7 to Win8 (or even 8.1).

  • That's all.

  • by Secret Agent Man (915574) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @08:16AM (#44141313) Homepage
    ...that doesn't want to upgrade to 8.1? It's a free upgrade and, as far as I'm aware, doesn't make any changes for the worse. The only thing I can think of is "local searches are sent to Bing," but since that's easily disabled, I can't think of a reason not to upgrade if you're already running on 8.
    • by Skapare (16644)

      If I was on Windows 8, and needed to stay with Windows, I'd prefer to upgrade to Windows 7. Fortunately I'm already there for the corporate laptop, so nothing to do.

  • by Cyko_01 (1092499) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @08:54AM (#44141471) Homepage
    last time they pulled that stunt with DX10 and vista, game developers began switching to openGL instead of using DX10. what makes them think game devs will use the latest DX that no players are using this time around? Any serious gamer knows enough about computers to not use windows 8
  • If apps start requiring Directx 11.n and, as a result, I cannot run those apps on Windows 7; then that will be one more reason why Windows is no longer a solution for me.

    .
    First Microsoft releases an awful version of Windows (8.0), then Microsoft backtracks (temporarily?) and restores some useful functionality that was removed (emphasis on some).

    The question remains, how long before Microsoft has another dose of stupid, and re-removes the Start button and boot to desktop. Strategically, it is what the

  • Again? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by saleenS281 (859657) on Saturday June 29, 2013 @11:35AM (#44142295) Homepage
    This question has been asked on slashdot with literally every release of Windows that I can remember back to at least 95. Yes, people will complain, no it won't hurt Microsoft's sales. No, people won't stop buying their product because getting a major new feature requires you to upgrade the whole OS. I eagerly await this exact same thread two years from now.

He keeps differentiating, flying off on a tangent.

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