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Google's Second Generation Nexus 7 Benchmarks 205

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MojoKid writes "Google's second gen Nexus 7 tablet is a worthy successor to the original, boasting an improved design both internally and externally. It's thinner and lighter, has a faster Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro SoC, 2GB of RAM, a higher resolution 1920X1200 display and it's running the latest Android 4.3 Jelly Bean release. The display alone was a nice upgrade in a 7-inch slate that retails for well under $300. However, it turns out the new Nexus 7 is also one of the fastest tablets out there right now, with benchmark numbers that best some of the top tablets on the market, especially in graphics and gaming. From a price/performance standpoint, Google's second generation Nexus 7 seems to be the tablet to beat right now."
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Google's Second Generation Nexus 7 Benchmarks

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  • well gosh (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:19PM (#44504361)

    I better buy one quick then

    • Re:well gosh (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Deathspawner (1037894) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:23PM (#44504401) Homepage
      That's the right decision.
      • Yawn ... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Taco Cowboy (5327) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:50PM (#44504625) Journal

        No matter how thin it is, no matter how fast it is, no matter how well the display can be, it is still a tablet

        Perhaps some might be oooh and aaah over yet-another-tablet, not me

        What I am looking for - especially from tech firms such as Google - is something totally new, something that is revolutionary, not evolutionary

        Nowadays all the new smartphone and tablet offerings sound much like new cars - ooooh, model 2014 Buick is so much better than the ones in 2013, with shiny wheels, with more comfy seats, more safety features, it gonna be great, really ?

        A 2014 Buick (or Chrysler or Toyota) is a car, just like a 2013 Buick (or Chrysler or Toyota). There's nothing revolutionary anymore in cars, and unfortunately, nor for the smartphones / tablets

        • Re:Yawn ... (Score:5, Funny)

          by Tough Love (215404) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @09:09PM (#44504727)

          Tough customer. I suggest you just keep waiting until Google introduces its wearable solar powered subspace search appliance.

        • by Ami Ganguli (921)

          Yeah, I'm with on this, sadly.

          The gadget geek in me really wants this tablet. But the truth is that my year-old tablet, though not nearly as performant as this new toy, is perfectly fine for the only thing I actually use it for: reading e-books. The processor and memory don't make any difference. The screen is kind of tempting, but would mean more to me if I did real work on my tablet (I care a lot about my laptop screen resolution).

          Tablet makers are going to have to come up with something pretty innovat

          • by peragrin (659227)

            Then wait until next year for the next better model.

            I bought a nook color 2.5 years ago when they first came out. I enjoyed the 7" form factor but I couldn't find a decent replacement. when the new nexus 7's were announced I was happy. I got even happier when amazon and best buy started releasing them for sale 5 days before the official launch.

            But I plan on keeping it around for the next 2-3 years and make sure I get my money's worth out of it.

        • Re:Yawn ... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by gstoddart (321705) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @10:08PM (#44505117) Homepage

          No matter how thin it is, no matter how fast it is, no matter how well the display can be, it is still a tablet

          Well, then don't buy one, and don't bother to let us all know how underwhelmed you are -- we're underwhelmed that you're underwhelmed.

          What I am looking for - especially from tech firms such as Google - is something totally new, something that is revolutionary, not evolutionary

          But you have NO idea of what that would be, and you're going to sulk until such time as they do? Right.

          There's nothing revolutionary anymore in cars, and unfortunately, nor for the smartphones / tablets

          And for the most part, this has been true in the industry for a very long time now. The machine on my desktop now is an exceedingly boring direct descendant of the one that sat on my desk 25 years ago -- a screen, keys, and a box full of stuff to make it go.

          With a 4 digit ID, you should bloody well know that. Name 5 truly revolutionary pieces of technology in the last 25 years in the realm of computers ... anything which came from existing technology in any way doesn't count. Because, after all, that's just evolutionary which seems to make you sad.

          Tell you what, you go build something freakin' awesome, and when you get back, we'll all piss and moan about how it's not nearly cool enough.

          Your existential malaise is something best savored by yourself.

          • by bfandreas (603438)

            No matter how thin it is, no matter how fast it is, no matter how well the display can be, it is still a tablet

            Well, then don't buy one, and don't bother to let us all know how underwhelmed you are -- we're underwhelmed that you're underwhelmed.

            What I am looking for - especially from tech firms such as Google - is something totally new, something that is revolutionary, not evolutionary

            But you have NO idea of what that would be, and you're going to sulk until such time as they do? Right.

            There's nothing revolutionary anymore in cars, and unfortunately, nor for the smartphones / tablets

            And for the most part, this has been true in the industry for a very long time now. The machine on my desktop now is an exceedingly boring direct descendant of the one that sat on my desk 25 years ago -- a screen, keys, and a box full of stuff to make it go.

            With a 4 digit ID, you should bloody well know that. Name 5 truly revolutionary pieces of technology in the last 25 years in the realm of computers ... anything which came from existing technology in any way doesn't count. Because, after all, that's just evolutionary which seems to make you sad.

            Tell you what, you go build something freakin' awesome, and when you get back, we'll all piss and moan about how it's not nearly cool enough.

            Your existential malaise is something best savored by yourself.

            While everything derives from everything(standing on the shoulders of giants) there are a couple of things that absolutely spring to mind:
            -This ePaper thing. I've watched it growing from an idea to the Kindle eco system. It absolutely changed the way I consume the written word.
            -Media compression. I have ripped all my CDs which I collected since the late 80ies. I've ripped all my DVDs which I bought since the 2000s. I've rebought a lot of my comic collection in a digital format. That also absolutely chang

        • by gmuslera (3436)
          The "promise" of Ubuntu Touch is that is a tablet or phone... until you connect it a keyboard and maybe a monitor, then it becomes a desktop computer. Thats one possible new approach (but for this tablet in particular won't happen until Qualcomm open up the drivers, so for now avoid it), but probably a lot of approachs would be to have devices that gets enhanced or behaves different by what you connect to them. There are other approachs, like several kind of convertible notebooks or pluggable keyboards, but
        • by i_ate_god (899684)

          Better hardware means more interesting software...

        • Re:Yawn ... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by EEPROMS (889169) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @11:20PM (#44505401)
          Shame it has a Qualcom chipset because now for me as a hardware hacker it is off my list of toys to buy. The only thing of interest for me lately the the Ubuntu edge mobile, hopefully they avoid the qualcom mess.
        • How often do you really need a revolution? I'd say a revolution is a once in a lifetime type thing. Many people would consider the smartphone revolutionary and they didn't exist 10 years ago! In theory you should be waiting another 70 years or so for the next true revolution. Or how bout just the cell phone? That was invented 30-40 some odd years ago so we still have 40 years to go. Or the internet (about the same time). Or digital computers? Now were getting to something that happened almost a lifetime ago
        • by andydread (758754)
          I would presume that you are enjoying your shiny new Google Glass [google.com]. carry on then.
        • I bet you were the first one to buy a Segway when it came out.
          /sarcasm
        • by N1AK (864906)

          No matter how thin it is, no matter how fast it is, no matter how well the display can be, it is still a tablet

          I think that's an over simplification but ultimately we are reaching that point in the smartphone/tablet market. The very first devices were heavy, had low res screens, couldn't run or store high quality video, had shockingly bad cameras etc. Each year the new models were better in ways that were genuinely meaningful to users.

          I just upgraded from a galaxy S2 to an S4 purely because my old contra

        • by Type44Q (1233630)

          it gonna be great, really

          No, not really; it's a fucking Buick. :)

      • Re:well gosh (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Tough Love (215404) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @09:06PM (#44504703)

        I was planning to pick one up until I read this. [androidandme.com]

        • by RMingin (985478)

          I am the target market, I bought two original Nexus 7s, and later a Nexus 10, and I love them. This news is deeply distressing, I was already unhappy at the number of binary blobs needed to make the N7 and N10 go, to find out that the N7-2 won't even have public restore images as a result of them is a deal breaker.

          I've just gone from "will buy an N7-2 when the budget allows" to "totally disinterested". You can't even try out third party ROMs on your N7-2.

          You've missed the boat, Google. You forgot what it wa

    • Re:well gosh (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:25PM (#44504435)

      Yeah ... unless you're planning on modding it with AOSP [slashdot.org]

  • by tepples (727027) <tepples AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:26PM (#44504447) Homepage Journal

    My benchmark: WPM cut in half. Reason: I had to switch back to the on-screen keyboard because just as changes to Bluetooth in Android 4.2 broke support for the Wii Remote, changes to Bluetooth in Android 4.3 broke several popular Bluetooth keyboards, including the ZAGGkeys Flex that I happen to own (source [androidcentral.com]).

    • by Nerdfest (867930)

      It supports low power mode (as does the previous version as of 4.3) ... wonder if the implementation on the tablet or the keyboard is a little sloppy.

    • Fortunately my Zippy keyboard seems to work fine.

      Yeehah!

    • Am I the only one disappointed that it tops out at 32gb and has no SD card slot? Even 2012 iPad Mini offers 64gb, why isn't 64gb offered in the latest and greatest Android tablet? And isn't one of the great features of Android the fact that it can use removable storage and iOS devices can't? Why is Google removing one of the best features of Android? I know the old Nexus 7 didn't have a card slot too but a lot of people complained, I thought for sure they would offer at least micro SDXC on the next gene
  • Amazing device. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:38PM (#44504521)

    I picked one up when I found them in stock at my local $big_box_electronics_retailer. I already have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, which was a cool device when I picked it up.

    This thing, however, is a whole other universe. The UI is snappy and responsive and fast. Fastest I've ever seen on any Android device. No lag, no jitter, no stuttering while scrolling. The display is amazing. Everything is sharp. Colors are well defined and look "deep". It packs as many pixels as my 1080p HDTV in to a 7 inch display. (And people say we're not ready for 4k HDTV. Pfff)

    Android 4.3 really ups the game. All of my google services migrated over just by logging in. Most of my apps came too, but some bugged. (I suspect they were not compatible)

    I liked my galaxy tab. Nice, small, flexible tablet with lots of geeky stuff to do but I had to root it to get rid of the crapware Samsung shovles on to it. That's what I like most about this new nexus. It's a clean out of box experience loaded with core apps that really have a high quality experience. (You know, the Google apps services you're probably going to use regardless. That's really the big appeal here. Don't fool yourself)

    Yeah, it's like an ipad in that regard.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by icebike (68054)

      Reports like yours out weigh any benchmarks.

      Haven't we learned never to trust benchmarks [slashdot.org] yet?

      • by Sun (104778)

        Haven't we learned not trust anonymous coward reporting?

        Shachar

        • by PopeRatzo (965947)

          OK, then. Here's a non-AC review. Yesterday, I gave my gen 1 Nexus 7 to my wife and brought home the new model. The original has been one of the best consumer electronics experiences I've ever had. The improvements in gen 2 are incremental, but substantial. There was nothing wrong with the old model, but the new one seems even snappier, looks better, and has the same high-quality build. I gave the first model a beating and it never gave me a problem.

          I had my doubts about the usefulness of a 7" tablet

          • by Sun (104778)

            No offense intended, but this isn't a review. Come again after you've actually used it.

            Personally, I do not intend to buy the new Nexus 7 at least until it will be possible to build AOSP for it (but I might go out and buy the old one now :-). That said, I have nothing for or against it.

            All I'm saying is that your comment did not add information. The comment you'll write in 24 hours likely will, however.

            Shachar

            • by bfandreas (603438)

              No offense intended, but this isn't a review. Come again after you've actually used it.

              Personally, I do not intend to buy the new Nexus 7 at least until it will be possible to build AOSP for it (but I might go out and buy the old one now :-). That said, I have nothing for or against it.

              All I'm saying is that your comment did not add information. The comment you'll write in 24 hours likely will, however.

              Shachar

              The old Nexus 7 is an amazing thing. I had bought the 3G version on a whim and immediately regretted it. I did all my mobile computing on an Asus Transformer Prime, took it everywhere with me and really couldn't justify buying another toy. Long story short: I carry my Nexus 7 around with me all the time and my Transformer stays at home.
              I WOULD have bought the Nexus 7 if there wasn't that AOSP bruhaha. We've been warned for months and still we get a Nexus device that isn't supported by AOSP because of propr

      • by symbolset (646467) *
        When icebike endorses an AC, we need to ask if she was the AC.
    • by Nerdfest (867930)

      The Nexus 4 is the same. I have the previous Nexus 7 tablet, and the Nexus 4 is vastly faster and smoother. The N7 is apparently a very similar, slightly faster processor. Sucks about the current AOSP situation though.

    • "Android 4.3 really ups the game. All of my google services migrated over just by logging in. Most of my apps came too, but some bugged."

      Bugged I presume by a couple of three-letter agencies? Seriously, I'd stick to my generic China tab, which I can very well afford to brick and run fast enough for my browsing, ebook reading and occasional puzzle games. Here's a car analogy: Not everybody needs a Lexus to go to work.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    No open source driver, you can keep your hardware!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    It certain does not excel on the battery life metric.

    • Compared to?

      According to TFA, it's "up to 9 hours." The original Nexus 7 had 10 hours, so it's an hour less. But considering it has to drive that Retina-like display, it's pretty darn good.

      • by the computer guy nex (916959) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @09:12PM (#44504757)

        Compared to?

        According to TFA, it's "up to 9 hours." The original Nexus 7 had 10 hours, so it's an hour less. But considering it has to drive that Retina-like display, it's pretty darn good.

        Battery life as tested in a lab, rather than leaving it up to the manufacturer.

        Tablet Battery Life
        Nexus 7 (2013) 7:15
        Apple iPad mini 12:43 (WiFi)
        Apple iPad (late 2012) 11:08 (WiFi)

        http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/ [engadget.com]

        • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @11:55PM (#44505523)

          from the comments:

          "CNET, in their battery test, which plays a video at equal and measured brightness levels across devices, found the following results for the new Nexus 7 :

          Video battery life (in hours) : Google Nexus 7 (2013) 11.5, Apple iPad Mini 12, Google Nexus 7 (2012)10.1."

        • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

          The iPad Mini costs a lot more than a Nexus 7. If you really need >7 hours active use per day out of your tablet you are gonna have to pay for it. If you prefer Android there are other tablets or external battery packs.

          It's hardly surprising that the Nexus 7 has a lower run time than the iPad mini. They weigh about the same (iPad slightly heavier) but the Nexus 7 has a much better screen, which of course needs more power to run. If you plan to spend 7 hours looking at a 7" screen it might as well be a go

      • by gander666 (723553) *
        I have the original, and even brand new the battery life sucked
        • by bfandreas (603438)

          I have the original, and even brand new the battery life sucked

          ...and charging over USB takes forever. But it is quite fast when using the original docking station.

    • Mine must be a fluke then. I'm writing this response from one and haven't plugged it in in three days. Admittedly I haven't been playing movies the whole time just surfing playing YouTube videos and the like but it lasts at least twice what my galaxy s2 does for the same usage. I've had other tablets and this one needs the least charging of any I've owned. 72 he's and still a third of a battery left.
      • by N1AK (864906)
        That's exactly like my experience with both the S2 (needs charging an irritating amount) and old Nexus 7 (needs charging every 3-4 days). I think the people who are getting frustrated are probably using it to watch more video than we do.
  • In related news (Score:5, Informative)

    by e065c8515d206cb0e190 (1785896) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:44PM (#44504575)
    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/07/1930208/aosp-maintainer-quits [slashdot.org]

    I was going to buy it... now I won't
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:44PM (#44504579)

    If you give a rat's ass about open software, you'd pass up this device which was the cause for the lead of AOSP to quit in disgust, and sign up for the Edge on Indiegogo which promises to be completely unlocked.

    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      I'm not signing up for the Edge, but equally, I'm not buying this device.

      I only like to buy a product when I can walk into a store and fork over cash for it, or at least order it up and then order another one if I need to. Speculating isn't my thing.

  • Not Buying it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hackus (159037) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @08:45PM (#44504581) Homepage

    No Replaceable Battery
    No ROM possible.

    Just plain NO.

    -Hack

    • Actually battery replacement isnt impossible.

      http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+7+2nd+Generation+Teardown/16072/1 [ifixit.com]

    • Also no flash slot.

      • by bfandreas (603438)

        Also no flash slot.

        I had thought that was a huge problem when I got my old 32GB Nexus 7. I'm used to my 64GB Transformer Prime which I have fitted with a 64GB MicroSD and a 128GB SD Card. It isn't such a huge problem but I can live with that limitation on a device I mainly use when commuting. I wouldn't be able to live with it on my regular tablet.

  • Oh, sure, I only bought my last gen Nexus 7 about a month ago.

    Bastards!! ;-)

    Oh well, maybe the wife can inherit this one once I decide to splash out on the updated one in a few months or so.

    • by Hadlock (143607)

      Most/many big box stores have a 14/30 day return policy, if you're feeling exceptionally rude.

  • The iPad 3 is coming up on 2 years old. The iPad 4 was released last fall, and would be a much better test.
  • I couldn't reproduce the benchmarks

    Jean-Baptiste Quéru's release wouldn't boot on it... something about there not being any GPU support released by Qualcomm.

  • No micro SD slot? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hack slash (1064002) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @09:49PM (#44504983)
    Not interested.
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by larwe (858929)
      This. This x1000. And it's so stupid- it's Google arrogance that keeps SD expansion off Nexus devices.
      • it's Google arrogance that keeps SD expansion off Nexus devices

        How are you sure it's Google's arrogance and not Microsoft's [slashdot.org]? Perhaps Google is just trying to avoid another Microsoft v. TomTom.

  • I also ordered an OTG cable and I attached a 64 gig usb flash drive for extra storage

    also if you download ES File Explorer a free file manager you gain access to all shared computers on the LAN. And you can stream movies across the network with a single touch.

    for MKV streaming get MX Player then go to the XDA website to download the single file you have to put anywhere to enable DTS audio playback, they offered the file seperately since the codec is copyrighted and they couldn't put dts dolby in the app nat

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by larwe (858929)
      All these dangling cables are the opposite of an easily portable media consumption experience. The lack of a microSD slot (literally a few pennies in connector costs - support is built into the chipset) is a stupid omission, caused by Google politics.
      • by Cito (1725214)

        I will agree with you on that, if the nexus 7 2nd gen had a micro sd slot it would be the greatest tablet ever at this moment and no other tablets would even compare.
        Google/Asus hit it out the ballpark with the 2nd gen nexus 7. They do make 1 piece OTG adapters though if you don't want to use an OTG cable

        here is a 1 piece OTG adapter: http://amzn.com/B00BFYH11Q [amzn.com]

        it's 1 piece, gives you full usb access to add external drives, you can also use xbox 360 or ps3 controllers to play many games, the FPS is kinda fun

  • by larwe (858929) on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @10:40PM (#44505265) Homepage
    Until Google realizes that storage expansion is a MANDATORY feature of media consumption devices (Used on planes, road trips, and many other places where Internet access is unavailable), no Nexus device is a creditable replacement for anything. The Asus MemoPad HD7, which is the non-bullshit OEM version of the N7 G2, while slower, is a much better device solely for the reason that it has a microSD slot. No microSD slot = no sale.
    • by N1AK (864906) on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:55AM (#44506899) Homepage

      Until Google realizes that storage expansion is a MANDATORY feature of media consumption devices (Used on planes, road trips, and many other places where Internet access is unavailable), no Nexus device is a creditable replacement for anything.

      How the fuck does this get +5 insightful. iPad = No expansion, iPad mini = No expansion, Nexus 7 = No expansion yet they are all selling very well thank you and I bet sales of portable DVD players are looking pretty pathetic by comparison. They clearly are credible replacements, even if they don't fit some peoples use cases. How full of yourself do you have to be to believe that something not suiting you means it's not going to sell, especially when faced with a shit load of evidence that it already is.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Why is the benchmark comparing with iPad 3? Why not iPad 4 and iPad mini?

    iPad 4 has :
    Geekbench of around 1780 (vs. iPad 3 at 756).
    Sunspider at 834.7 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/4)
    Compared to the iPad 3, has a 10% higher OpenGL fill rate. Almost 50% higher OpenGL triangle performance. Double the Egypt FPS. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/4)

    It seems like the iPad 4 would beat the Nexus 7 (2013) in everything, so why did they

  • I love my Nexus, but Android devs needs to get off their asses and produce some good midi apps. Now that the IRig wirks with Android devices, we can have this. Otherwise, I'm going to have to go to the dark side and get a MacBook or Ipad to take on stage for this purpose.

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