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GNOME 3.10 Released 218

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kthreadd writes "Version 3.10 of the GNOME software collection has been released. New in this release is improved support for Wayland, the upcoming X replacement. The system status menus have been consolidated into one single menu. Many of the applications in GNOME now features header bars instead of title bars, which merges the titlebar and toolbar into a single element and allows applications to offer more dynamic user interfaces. GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software. Several other new applications have also been added to GNOME including Music, Photos, Notes and Maps."
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  • Software (Score:5, Funny)

    by geek (5680) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:23PM (#44964271) Homepage

    "GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software"

    I had to read that like 4 or 5 times before it clicked that the name of the application is "Software"

    • Re:Software (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Mike Frett (2811077) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:26PM (#44964313)

      While I don't really like Gnome 3, that new Software Center looks nice and clean. Not bad.

    • Re:Software (Score:4, Interesting)

      by magic maverick (2615475) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @05:13PM (#44964787) Homepage Journal

      And they call their browser "Web". Yeah, I've got some troubles with accessing the web. What browser am I using? Eh, it says Web. Yeah, Web... No not Firefox, Web.
      Or searching for how to do something or fix something...

      This is actually a stupid thing, calling their software after generic terms related to the function. Epiphany is a much better web browser name than Web. Synaptic is a much better name for a software install than Software. Etc. Next they'll be re-badging Abiword as Word Processor.

      (I am using a Gnome 3 as I type this. I understand later versions (like 3.8) are better. But I mostly cope with this version, because Ubuntu 12.04 actually works for now, and I don't want to break shit by upgrading.)

      • by WebCowboy (196209) on Friday September 27, 2013 @12:12AM (#44967539)

        You know, I remember, many years ago now, an article that got posted on /. about usability of the Linux desktop for casual/beginner/"regualr people" users. GNOME and KDE were examined. At the time Gnome 2.x was fairly new.

        One of the prominent complaints (one that got MSFT and AAPL fanbois gloating) was how people struggled with the exotic names for everyday applications.

        So...you have to click this GIMP thingy to edit pictures? To go ont he web you need to clock "Konqueror" or "Galeon" (the latter of which morphed into "Epiphany"--so much more clear what it does eh?). To burn a CD I need "Brasero", etc.

        The user had to rely on icons--sometimes they were not so useful either.

        So the GNOME people have finally done something about it and name the app that helps you install software "Software", and call the web browser "web" instead of "Epihpany"...makes sense considering the feedback right? Well, now they are being mocked by experienced users for the unimaginative names. It's not like a computer literate person can't figure out what "WEB" does (oh gee, that must be the GNOME web browser...well isn't that more boring than Epiphany, but I guess now Aunt Martha will know how to get on the web).

        By the way--"WEB" is just Epiphany renamed--the GNOM browser. Firefox/Iceweasel or Chromium still appear with their respective names/icons, so you can relax unlessyou are among the 1% of GNOME users who just use the GNOME Web browser and nothing else.

        (As I type this I use GNOME 3.8 from Debian unstable and experimental packages--'tis a great improvement over 3.4 and earlier that so many still use or base their first impressions on--hopefully 3.10 will be packaged for Debian in due time--pwehaps a couple weeks before 3.12 comes out ;-)

        • by magic maverick (2615475) on Friday September 27, 2013 @03:25AM (#44968161) Homepage Journal

          What's wrong with Epiphany Web Browser then? But to call the software simply "Web" is crazy. The idiots who went on, and still go on about, names being hard, are just idiots. When I look for GIMP, in my menu I get GIMP Image Editor. Whoa, so hard to work out what that does! What does Powerpoint do? What does FrameMaker do? What did ClarisWorks do?

          And, you didn't address the point that by using generic names, it makes it much much harder to search for information about the software.

        • by jez9999 (618189)

          so you can relax unlessyou are among the 1% of GNOME users who just use the GNOME Web browser and nothing else

          How can half a user use a web browser?

        • by ultranova (717540)

          So the GNOME people have finally done something about it and name the app that helps you install software "Software", and call the web browser "web" instead of "Epihpany"...makes sense considering the feedback right?

          Ubuntu has a video editor called "lives". It's completely useless, because it crashes constantly. Why? I have no idea; googling either "lives crashes" or "lives problem" gets nothing useful, since "lives" is such a common word.

          So no, renaming Epiphany into Web doesn't make sense. Renaming it to

      • Re:Software (Score:5, Funny)

        by u99119 (938436) on Friday September 27, 2013 @01:00AM (#44967677)
        And Gnome 3.10 should be called Graphical User Interface
        • Well it is due for a rename since it's not exactly an Object Model Environment anymore, but let's call it "Desktop". As a bonus, the market share of linux on Desktop PCs will skyrocket.
          • Yeah, whenever they dropped the objective of being a Network Object Model Environment, they should have changed the name to something else, be it MATE or whatever.
        • Graphical User Interface

          POS is probably nearer the mark. I am busy migrating our machines to LXDE.

          If you use text menus, only literate people can use the computer. If you use Icons, only illiterates can use it.

          (IME people who use an app less than once in a couple month are unlikely to recognise most icons. Some people use an app only once a year, but have done for 20 years*. Changing the icon annually is a disaster for the support team. Also note than when you mobile had piss-poor resolution and only ha

        • by greg1104 (461138)

          Next GNOME is going politically correct as Magical Little Person.

      • by polyp2000 (444682)

        Are you for real or just being sarcastic ?

      • If Gnome has a word processor they should call it Word.
    • by foxx1337 (1292800)

      I can already see myself googling around "Files crashing", "Software command line", "troubleshoot Disks" and finding immediately what I was looking for. These guys with Gnome really mean business. I bet their names are something like "Dude Johnson", "Nobody Smith", "Programmer Williams", "Name Thorne" or "Guy Pearce" (ok, not the last one).

    • If you give software names, users get confused, so they just stuck with Software.

  • New Applications (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lavamind (1111431) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:24PM (#44964295)

    Several other new applications have also been added to GNOME including Music, Photos, Notes and Maps.

    Is it just me, or is GNOME picking a completely new default multimedia applications every other release or so? Why can't they run with something for a few years, for a change?

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      With every iteration of each Linux flavor, it gets harder and harder to install XMMS.

      And I mean the late 90's XMMS that just works, not the completely different and unusable client-server XMMS2. Or any of the other multimedia disasters that attempt to deliver every imaginable feature - except a basic equalizer and an MP3 codec.

      • Sadface.jpg (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        WinAmp (except for an awkward period) still looks like it did fourteen years ago, and it's still whipping llama asses.

        I'll pour a 40 out for my dead homie, XMMS - it was truly a worthy counterpart.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Not to sound like a smart ass, but you really shouldn't be using XMMS anymore. They split up into "fancy" folk who created XMMS2 and "traditional" people who created Audacious. I'm using Audacious right now with one of the XMMS skins, it just has newer codecs and more advanced features, and works way better with modern systems.

    • by WebCowboy (196209) on Friday September 27, 2013 @01:06AM (#44967707)

      There is some confusion about what is a GNOME-based application and what is part of the GNOME environment itself.

      For example Shotwell is a third-party GNOME based application. It has never been part of the GNOME project--not a GNOME component. Rather, it has merely been the most commonly used app for photo management and viewing as packaged by distributions. Shotwell supplanted F-Spot becaus the latter was built with .NET/Mono and many had concerns about potential MSFT-interference.

      GNOME did not have final say on either F-Spot OR Shotwell given they weren't GNOME desktop components--just apps designed to work on GNOME. Until now there WAS no official default app. Now there is:: GNOME Photos.

      As such, I expect that GNOME Photos, Music, Notes, Maps, etc. will continue for the long term as the "defaults" as they are new official GNOME components. Furthermore I suspect Shotwell, Rythmbox, etc will continue on as alternatives, likely with some enhanced capabilites, different feature sets, etc. just as WEB (aka epiphany) is the "official" GNOME browser client it is still commonly (or even normally) supplanted by a 3rd party browser.

  • Integrating everything one way that powers on high say it should be done isn't why I run Linux.

  • M.E.H. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Frosty Piss (770223) * on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:28PM (#44964339)

    Gnome and KDE went through similar histories. The maintainers (for some unkown reason) decided they had to radically change their product - just as Ubuntu decided to introduce a totally new gui a few years ago. The verdict with Gnome is almost universal - the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately) stinks and isn't getting any better. Nevertheless, those who offer Gnome - e.g., Redhat, SUSE, others - offer only the latest version. Redhat has made it the default. Their motto is "just get used to it". But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2. Mint offers 2 versions of Gnome 2: the Cinamon gui and the Mate gui (pronounced matey, a type of tea). I have no experience with Cinamon but love Mate. I am using it on my main computer. I noticed recently that Fedora also offers a Mate variant. My guess is that eventually most of the distros will; they will offer their main gui, whatever it is, plus Mate, XFCE, LXDE, etc. I am guessing that Gnome 3 will eventually go away.

    KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed. One of its peculiarities is that it offers 5 (I think) different ways of laying out and using the desktop. One of them - called Folder View - makes it quite similar to the discontinued KDE3. I have instances of folder view KDE4 in my PCLinuxOS and Mepis setups, and like it. Be aware, however, that KDE3, like Gnome 2, has been forked. If you go to the Trinity Linux website you will find that there are people who have rejiggered Debian, Ubuntu, and PCLOS with the KDE3 gui. In fact, one of my partitions is running Debian Wheezy with KDE3. One of the best things about KDE4 is the Dolphin file manager which I have imported into all of my non-KDE setups. It is far, far superior to every other file manager, including the old Konqueror, which Trinity KDE3 still has.

    • Re:M.E.H. (Score:5, Informative)

      by geek (5680) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:35PM (#44964407) Homepage

      the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately)

      Centos 6 is using gnome 2 still. Not sure wtf you are on about.

      Their motto is "just get used to it".

      That's GNOME's position. Red Hat will direct you to other DE's if GNOME 3 isnt your cup of tea.

      But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2.

      Again, wtf are you on about? Mint didn't fork GNOME 2. They forked GNOME 3 and created a new DE based on GTK3. The GNOME 2 fork is called Mate and is independent of Linux Mint.

      Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.

      • Re:M.E.H. (Score:5, Funny)

        by Nimey (114278) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @05:08PM (#44964733) Homepage Journal

        Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.

        You must be new here.

      • Again, wtf are you on about? Mint didn't fork GNOME 2. They forked GNOME 3 and created a new DE based on GTK3. The GNOME 2 fork is called Mate and is independent of Linux Mint.

        Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.

        Lots of pot calling the kettle black. Mint has two DEs, GTK3 (but not really a Gnome3 fork) based Cinnamon, and Gnome2 fork MATE. While Cinnamon is GTK 3 based and certainly uses Gnome 3 code, it has very little similarity to Gnome3, retaining the configurability of Gnome2 rather then shoving someone's idea of how you should work down your throat.

    • Re:M.E.H. (Score:5, Funny)

      by ifiwereasculptor (1870574) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @05:01PM (#44964671)

      KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed.

      Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass.

      • by Arker (91948)

        "Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass."

        Aptly put. Sad to say, though, as a result of the excessive attention paid to these projects and their anatomical difficulties, the state of the UI on Gnu/Linux and related systems has arguably degraded. The only consolation is that competing options from MS and Apple have seen the same thing happ

        • Has it really degraded? Thanks to Gnome Shell we now have Cinnamon. It's better than Gnome 2 ever was and is making its way to other distributions. Coupled with KDE 4.10 (when properly configured to avoid some pesky bugs), I'd say we still have two good options in the "full Linux DE" field.

      • by greg1104 (461138)

        Ooh, can we do car analogies next? GNOME3 routes the exhaust pipe into the ventilation system based on the fact that it's a superior design for a bike.

    • Their motto is "just get used to it".

      I did get used to it, and now I find I like it...With the extensions.gnome.org set of extensions, I find that I can customize it to my liking, and get back some of the old things I like, while keeping a lot of the new.

      FWIW, I am sticking with GNOME3, and I am guessing I am not the only one.

      • by 0123456 (636235)

        I did get used to it, and now I find I like it...With the extensions.gnome.org set of extensions, I find that I can customize it to my liking, and get back some of the old things I like, while keeping a lot of the new.

        So you, you know, 'got used to it', by rewriting it with extensions.

        FWIW, I am sticking with GNOME3, and I am guessing I am not the only one.

        So, what do you when you're put in front of someone else's Gnome 3 machine, which doesn't have your magic 'makes it not suck' extensions installed?

        Or when the next release breaks all your extensions?

        • So, what do you when you're put in front of someone else's Gnome 3 machine, which doesn't have your magic 'makes it not suck' extensions installed?

          Same thing I do when end up in front of someones Mac which I am not used to....or in front of someone's "themed" Firefox which doesn't have all my bookmarks...or someone else's Windows box that doesn't have all the applications I am used to. I figure it out with the tools I have at hand.

          GNOME3 works for me, and I am not the only one who likes it.

          If you don't like it, by all means find something you do like....but you will need a better argument than "what do you do when you encounter something different".

          • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

            by 0123456 (636235)

            GNOME3 works for me, and I am not the only one who likes it.

            GNOME3 doesn't work for you, or you wouldn't have to rewrite it to make it usable.

      • by doti (966971)

        It's not that I can't get used and customize it so I can like and use it.

        It's that I'm not into (and don't have the time to) customizing my desktop *again*. Not only I had Gnome2 already customized, but it required very little customization, as the defaults are mostly ok.

        Thanks MATE!

    • Just out of curiosity, why do you like Dolphin? I've always found it irritatingly limiting and use konqueror instead.
  • Does the new Gnome have a FVWM mode, so I can use it without going postal?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:28PM (#44964345)

    Gnome for Workgroups!

  • by thule (9041) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:39PM (#44964451) Homepage
    I understand some of the complaints. It get it. But, wow, Gnome is looking really good! It will be interesting to see how this new menu layout works. So far I haven't had any complaints in Gnome 3. I've been using Gnome everyday since it was initially released in the RedHat/Fedora distros. I've had more complaints with the bumps in the road with Fedora over the years than Gnome itself.
  • by Imagix (695350) on Thursday September 26, 2013 @04:57PM (#44964627)
    Please skip making a 3.11 version... just to avoid another flood of ".. for Workgroups" jokes.
    • by KugelKurt (908765)

      Please skip making a 3.11 version... just to avoid another flood of ".. for Workgroups" jokes.

      Uneven version numbers are development releases. It's never been any different in Gnome.

  • Both remaining users are said to slightly care.

  • The mind just boggles at how incredibly futile it is going to be googling for help on an app called 'Software'. I think the gnome guys have gone from mild contempt for the user to rabid hate and fury.

    Amazing.

  • by jcdr (178250) on Friday September 27, 2013 @08:19AM (#44969265)

    * You must own a 3D licence to drive it, witch cost you money and time to earn.
    * The instrument panel (because it's ugly to have useful information displayed all the time) will be replaced by a projection on the windshield with information placed everywhere on it as soon a you do an action, hiding the road.
    * And because there is too much informations there, there kill almost all of them as you should known yourself your actual speed (cpu load), energy reserve level (free memory), etc...
    * The commands around the steering wheel (because it's way too complicated for users) will be replaced by a touchpad on the center of the steering wheel: you have to swipe up to the extreme upper left corner to display the possible action catalog on the extreme right of the windshield projected screen and then swipe from the extreme left to the extreme right to select the action like turning on the light. Touchpad is the future, period. Commands are for the elders that can no longer adapt there brain to the modern evolution.
    * The navigation system (virtual desktop map) basically choose a random direction just second before intersection until it find the destination completely by luck. The map data randomly swap towns (desktop) location so you have to manually maintain a translation index in your head. You cannot program more than a few destinations.
    * There is no way to carry something other than a standardized adult on the car. Who would like to have children anyway ? And a car is only there for the joy of driving, so there is absolutely no need to have place for baggage or anything special to transport. Car have is not designed to transport something.
    * The car is only adapted to special roads made for them. Using it with previous generation of roads is completely unsupported can raise unexpected results.
    * All the accessories actually on the market are completely incompatible with this car. You have to use only the accessories provided by the manufacturer, but the catalog is very short and the quality is bad.
    * Sometime it cash for no reason.
    * The manufacturer of the car ignore any complain from there customers, telling to them that there are not using the car the way it was designed to be used.

    • by greg1104 (461138)

      If the GNOME 3 team designed a car, they'd build a moped and say simpler designs are preferred by walkers.

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