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Intel Linux Driver Now Nearly As Fast As Windows OpenGL Driver 113

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An anonymous reader writes "Intel's open-source Linux graphics driver is now running neck-and-neck with the Windows 8.1 driver for OpenGL performance between the competing platforms when using the latest drivers for each platform. The NVIDIA driver has long been able to run at similar speeds between Windows and Linux given the common code-base, but the Intel Linux driver is completely separate from their Windows driver due to being open-source and complying with the Linux DRM and Mesa infrastructure. The Intel Linux driver is still trailing the Windows OpenGL driver in supporting OpenGL4."
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Intel Linux Driver Now Nearly As Fast As Windows OpenGL Driver

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  • woo (Score:4, Funny)

    by nomadic (141991) <nomadicworld@NOSpam.gmail.com> on Saturday November 30, 2013 @03:10PM (#45562913) Homepage
    This should convince anyone that open source linux software can compete with windows, given 22 years.
    • Re:woo (Score:5, Insightful)

      by epyT-R (613989) on Saturday November 30, 2013 @03:21PM (#45562967)

      This has little to do with the architecture and mostly to do with vendor support. This has always been a problem for non-windows OSes. Even apple's opengl isn't exactly the best in terms of performance. Linux easily outperforms it when using nvidia's driver.

      • Re: woo (Score:4, Insightful)

        by tysonedwards (969693) on Saturday November 30, 2013 @03:27PM (#45563005)
        Microsoft blew its right foot off with Windows 8.
        They went to the doctor to get it reattached with Windows 8.1 only to wake up to find out that a second left foot was attached in place.
        • Let's hope they get their right left foot replaced with a right foot in Windows 8.2.

          • Re: woo (Score:4, Funny)

            by TheGratefulNet (143330) on Saturday November 30, 2013 @04:10PM (#45563203)

            maybe windows 8.11, 'windows for podgroups'. not sure if that's an official project name or not...

          • Let's hope they get their right left foot replaced with a right foot in Windows 8.2.

            There are some interesting rumors [notebookcheck.net] that 8.2 would actually bring the Start Menu back. Those might not mean anything of course, but it's nice to dream.

            • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

              by Hamsterdan (815291)

              Microsoft is probably the only company able to make so many mistakes & blunders without going out of business (thanks to their hold on the corporate market & large cash reserves).

              MS Bob, Clippy, ME, Zune, Windows phone, Vista, Win RT, Win 8. Let's see what someone else than Ballmer will be able to do.

              • Re: woo (Score:4, Insightful)

                by mewsenews (251487) on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:02PM (#45564403) Homepage

                How does microsoft do so much user testing and have no idea these products are going to be colossal flops?

                I can't imagine the reasoning that went on behind the push for Windows 8:

                "Let's unify our mobile and desktop interfaces, because we have a stranglehold on the desktop, people will gravitate towards our mobile offerings"

                The public responds "we hate this" and they choose to do it anyway? Don't they do focus groups? Didn't they anticipate that people are disgusted by a touch interface on their keyboard+mouse system?

                I'm fascinated and horrified but I'm also pleased because I am not fond of Microsoft, but what the hell do they think they are doing?

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  by 0123456 (636235)

                  I'm fascinated and horrified but I'm also pleased because I am not fond of Microsoft, but what the hell do they think they are doing?

                  Surviving. They don't believe the desktop will exist in a few years, so owning it won't matter.

                  Of course, if you go out of your way to destroy desktop Windows in pursuit of tablet market share, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

                  • Of course, if you go out of your way to destroy desktop Windows in pursuit of tablet market share, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

                    NO executive management with the high-quality management training that is standard within MS would do anything at all like make statements to destroy the market share of their current market-leading product line! Isn't that called the Ratner Effect? The only thing even comparable would be for someone to fall prey to the Osborne Effect, and of course no one with a background in management at Microsoft would ever ... oh wait a minute ...

                • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

                  by ultranova (717540)

                  How does microsoft do so much user testing and have no idea these products are going to be colossal flops?

                  They knew, they simply ignored that and went with wistful thinking instead.

                  I guess it's not any easier admitting you're past your prime for corporations than it's for humans...

                • by jthill (303417)
                  People don't know what they want until you show it to them [goodreads.com], and Microsoft's marketers can't imagine what that could mean beyond anything they show people, people can be made to want.
                • by Rob Y. (110975)

                  They don't care if it 'fails'. After a year or two and the fuss starts dying down, machines start breaking and needing to be replaced, and voila - the desktop monopoly kicks in, and windows 8.whatever is a smashing success (regardless of how many users want to smash their computers). Meanwhile, Windows Phone garners whatever market share it can manage based on a trickle of developers starting to code to the Metro UI. May not be enough to make WP a success, but without it, WP would've been a complete non-

          • by rvw (755107)

            Let's hope they get their right left foot replaced with a right foot in Windows 8.2.

            You mean they should replace the right left foot with the left right foot?

        • I'd suggest attaching a different foot [sourceforge.net], but I don't know how mature that is. So I'll just name-drop the prosthetic I use on a Windows 8 PC at work: Classic Shell.
        • Microsoft blew its right foot off with Windows 8. They went to the doctor to get it reattached with Windows 8.1 only to wake up to find out that a second left foot was attached in place.

          Unfortunately, Win7's dual-left-foot support was actually pretty good; but was removed because you can't operate the imaginary ipad-killing tablet that Balmer dreams about with two left feet...

          That's the weird thing about Win8: Vista, while a failure, at least had the decency to founder largely because everything kept from XP was antique and everything scrapped and rebuilt was immature. Win8 started out as a product that people (at least the Windows-using ones) mostly liked, and then was systematically m

    • by Anonymous Coward

      So how come the new hotness of the Windows video system is only as good as this apparently old and knackered XWindows system, how does that reflect on Windows?

  • Intel (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Frosty Piss (770223) * on Saturday November 30, 2013 @03:10PM (#45562915)

    Someone smells a game plaform....

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      oh they've been wanting to get into the game for a loong time now. pick any time between this and 10 years ago and they've always been one year from releasing a chip that could compete with atiamd/nvidia.

      • True although look at the game console situations. In past generations the consoles used some PowerPC variant from IBM.

        This time they're using x86 but not Intel. Intel has made a mint off the PC platform and now Valve is going to PCize the game console industry with SteamOS.

        What do you think Intel's next move is going to be? What did they do when Microsoft did this to the PC market?

  • by Dega704 (1454673) on Saturday November 30, 2013 @03:45PM (#45563107)
    Hence why even non-gamers were so excited about Valve's gambit. Even with the few games released so far, it has brought tons of much-needed development effort to the areas GNU/Linux was lacking in. Imagine how things will be if SteamOS & Co. succeed and it becomes a major gaming platform. Free software purist or not, everyone is going to benefit.
    • Pah! Intel has already a steady history of making very good Linux display drivers. The Intel GMA hardware has had more featureful Linux OpenGL support for a long time when compared to other platforms. For example, the GMA X3100 (GM965 chipset) has OpenGL 1.5 support under Windows and OS X, but OpenGL 2.1 support under Linux.
    • I'm just as happy as very other Linux user out there about the Intel drivers starting to get competitive... but I'm pretty sure the reason Intel's management is dropping big bucks on Linux graphics driver development is Andriod not SteamOS. SteamOS is probably a pleasant nice to have they they get without any large amount of extra investment.
  • complying with the Linux DRM and Mesa infrastructure.

    I guess it was only a matter of time, before the media companies got DRM implemented in Linux media players and system software.

    NOT. This is the problem with using DRM and other 3-letter acronyms in the article body; they become quite ambiguous.

    The Intel Linux driver is still trailing the Windows OpenGL driver in supporting OpenGL4."

    Sigh.... matters have improved, but it's still the same old story --- Windows is the only first-class citi

  • Not to turn this into a "why Linux isn't main stream" thread. But I see the 2 biggest road blocks for Linux adoption as lack of support for Gaming and MS Office. I know you can run them in wine/VM etc. But an easy installation, at least currently, of Office is needed. So many Schools and businesses require it. Also a lot of people who would love to run exclusive Linux, are also gamers. I had my wife running on Linux, but she would get Office files for her Girl-scout troop and School (she was in college at
    • Yep, to stay relevant Microsoft will need someone extremely talented.

      If they choose an Elop, they're doomed. Which is the scenario I'm hoping for.

    • by Lennie (16154)

      You probably want LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice.

  • NOT neck and neck (Score:4, Informative)

    by Sits (117492) on Sunday December 01, 2013 @03:31AM (#45566607) Homepage Journal

    The headline is bad/misleading - many of those benchmarks are showing a disparity of more than 10% between the drivers. Using the numbers from the Phoronix article, Linux results are the highest number from any Linux driver (there are many cases where the most recent driver was not the best) to try and prove headline:

    Linux = [35.88, 140.90, 43.37, 23.5, 32.23, 19.17, 25.17, 16.68, 99.24, 63.94, 46.80, 29.46]
    Windows = [41.47, 162.88, 36.57, 27.0, 31.46, 19.37, 24.47, 16.85, 104.04, 65.15, 55.05, 36.63]
    for i in range(len(Linux)):
      diff = abs(round((1 - Linux[i]/Windows[i])*100, 1))
      "Windows win by %d.1%%" % (diff) if Linux[i] < Windows[i] else "Linux . win by %d.1%%" % (diff)

    'Windows win by 13.1%'
    'Windows win by 13.1%'
    'Linux . win by 18.1%'
    'Windows win by 13.1%'
    'Linux . win by 2.1%'
    'Windows win by 1.1%'
    'Linux . win by 2.1%'
    'Windows win by 1.1%'
    'Windows win by 4.1%'
    'Windows win by 1.1%'
    'Windows win by 15.1%'
    'Windows win by 19.1%'

    So out of 12 results, 5 showed a 10%+ difference between Linux and Windows Intel drivers in favour of Windows and 1 showed a 10%+ difference in favour of Linux. The conclusion that the drivers are neck and neck does not follow from the premise for around 40% of the results and that's when being unfairly generous to Linux!

    • by Lennie (16154)

      Sure, but did you also see this ?:

      "The Windows driver also had much larger spikes in the frame latency than the Intel Linux driver."

      http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1311280-SO-INTELWIN869&sha=869d65c&p=2 [openbenchmarking.org]

      Do you remember the days when Linux didn't perform well in this area ?

      • The Windows driver also had much larger spikes in the frame latency than the Intel Linux driver.

        That sounds true looking at the summary statistics of the graph but the question is at what frequency and by how much when compared to Linux on the same frames? We know the Linux statistics have at least one peak (of 45) but none are visible on that graph because the Windows values have been drawn over the top of of the other values. It's a bad visualisation of the data and it's hard to learn all that much from it...

        Do you remember the days when Linux didn't perform well in this area ?

        In all honesty I don't (I remember tearing being more common which is a slightly different i

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