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New Ford Mustang May Have Electronic "Burnout" Button 290

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cartechboy writes "Ford has decided to take the burnout into the 21st century for the new 2015 Mustang. The Mustang's new 'electronic' burnout system is intended to enable perfect burnouts every time, much like launch control has made it easier to accelerate quickly from a stop. So think of every new Mustang with a bright red 'burnout' button. While the details on how the burnout control system will work remain secret, it's possible that a combination of the features used in a typical launch control system, including traction and rev-limiting controls, together with a front brake locking system, could enable Ford to pull together existing technology in a completely new way. So far Ford has no comment."
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New Ford Mustang May Have Electronic "Burnout" Button

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  • You have this low-tech piece of equipment that brakes the non-drive wheels while spinning the drive wheels (called a "line lock"), problem solved. I guess they are going to do that, but with some electronics?

    • More to the point, I think: where's the fun?

      IIRC, when the guys did this when I was a kid, it was about the fun of managing to do it properly yourself.

      Of course there was also the bit about having enough of the manhood-substitute horsepower to do it. But the point remains: it was something the guys did to show off. With this, what's to show off? "Look folks! I can push a button!"

      Meh.
      • by iamhassi (659463) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:20PM (#45645133) Journal
        Show off? It's a mustang. Last mustang worthy of showing off was built 50 years ago
        • by JustNiz (692889)

          Quite agree. Its also why Ford and Mustang owners feel the need to resort to this kind of shit to get their new cars noticed. Except they clearly don't understand the "not in a good way" thing.

          • by bmimatt (1021295)
            Apples to oranges maybe, but: It's been called the 'M' button for quite a while now and installed in certain 'M-class' automobiles. The Ford version will probably end up being a toy version of it - you can do a burnout once you engage, but for the front brakes to release you'll have to disengage the 'B' button. You know, the 'safe' way.
            • by rtb61 (674572)

              Shouldn't it be the 'P' as in P for poseur or P for pollute, hell it could even be a really tiny 'p' and we all know exactly what that represents, at least it would be accurate.

            • by PNutts (199112)

              Apples to oranges maybe, but:
              It's been called the 'M' button for quite a while now and installed in certain 'M-class' automobiles.
              The Ford version will probably end up being a toy version of it - you can do a burnout once you engage, but for the front brakes to release you'll have to disengage the 'B' button. You know, the 'safe' way.

              Goddam lead fingered drivers. Get off my lawn.

        • by msauve (701917) on Monday December 09, 2013 @08:13PM (#45645647)
          "Last mustang worthy of showing off was built 50 years ago"

          There were no 1963 Mustangs.
    • by Charliemopps (1157495) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:24PM (#45645173)

      Cars are so fly by wire now it becomes difficult to do things like a burnout. You can argue the need for such a thing but some people do value it. Basically the only reason there's a button to turn off your traction control is because some people wouldn't buy the car because they couldn't do a burnout. Then, once they've disabled it and have done the burnout they are now driving around without traction control on. Solution? A button that controls the burnout, does it better than the human ever could, and then automatically re-activates safety systems. Maybe they can even keep control of the car, detect if somethings gone wrong and fail out of the burnout.

      • by Dare nMc (468959)

        >. the only reason there's a button to turn off your traction control is

        Not true, every car has times it needs to be off. Drive you car home on a spare without burning up brakes. Not to mention most suck at things like going through mud holes, deep snow. Even the really good factory systems when turned off allow pro drivers to go faster. I understand a race system in a race environment is a winner, but has nothing to do with need to disable the production systems in intense driving (but not while co

        • As someone who's built a mud truck/rock crawler from the ground up, I can tell you that traction control cause me any problems on the trail. My truck has a 5 point long arm suspension, 6" lift, etc... etc... and I rarely turn the traction control off. About the only time I can remember doing it was when I broke a drive shaft, I was able to lock up my diff to drive away but the traction control went nuts because it thought the right tire was in a skid. I doubt the average public would ever have such a proble

          • by lgw (121541)

            Most cars can't get out of a snow drift with the traction control on. Sometimes you need wheelspin.

          • by Dare nMc (468959)

            I guess it wasn't traction controll, but stabilty controll that causes me problems. The switch only says traction. The problem is if I try to maintain speed through a hole, it sees the rear end slide... and reduces throttle and pulls on the brake to go straight, more important to maintain speed than be perfectly straight but stuck in the mud usualy.

      • Fly by wire? I could have sworn it was drive by wire seeing as, ya know, it's a car.
      • People don't want to turn off traction control to do a burnout, they also probably want to slide around corners.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Try driving a 4WD Honda Pilot across deep, slushy snow or through a mudhole with traction control on...you'll end up stuck. Turn it off, gun it, sail free.

      • by cyn1c77 (928549)

        Cars are so fly by wire now it becomes difficult to do things like a burnout. You can argue the need for such a thing but some people do value it. Basically the only reason there's a button to turn off your traction control is because some people wouldn't buy the car because they couldn't do a burnout. Then, once they've disabled it and have done the burnout they are now driving around without traction control on. Solution? A button that controls the burnout, does it better than the human ever could, and then automatically re-activates safety systems. Maybe they can even keep control of the car, detect if somethings gone wrong and fail out of the burnout.

        The thing is, an auto-burnout button defeats the purpose of actually doing a burnout. It's like driving a paddle-shifter at the track or offroading the Ford Raptor's pathfinding guideline feature with hill descent control.

        Basically, you are using a computer to remove all skill from the activity. Which, in turn, removes most of the fun from it... unless you like being a poser.

        That's why many people insist on high-performance vehicles with the rudimentary control input option. We have computers manage most

    • A better question is this: what is this article from the transportation age doing here in the information age?

      • by couchslug (175151)

        "A better question is this: what is this article from the transportation age doing here in the information age?"

        One word: Dicedot.

  • by SuperKendall (25149) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:07PM (#45644953)

    "Press this button to receive citation"

    • by gman003 (1693318) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:30PM (#45645229)

      Excellent! Somebody buy a dozen of these for Wikipedia, I've heard they need citations.

      • by Trogre (513942)

        Stick beneath the licence plate of a known boy-racer in your neighbourhood:

        [Citation needed]

    • Because there's a legal reason to want to keep your wheels spinning while you drive off, it'll be labeled "Snow and Ice". Try driving away on a slippery surface on a slight inclination with a car with traction control. You'll never get anywhere, unless you can disable it.
      • Pretty sure maxxing out the rear wheel spin with the front brakes locked in a RWD on ice/snow is a REALLY BAD idea, unless the car is parked in the middle of a bunch of pillow factories with no walls.

        Since that is what the button does and all. We already have traction buttons...

      • Re:"Snow and Ice" (Score:5, Informative)

        by timeOday (582209) on Monday December 09, 2013 @08:56PM (#45646013)

        Try driving away on a slippery surface on a slight inclination with a car with traction control. You'll never get anywhere, unless you can disable it.

        Where did you get that idea? Watch this video [youtube.com], starting 34 seconds in.

  • I guess I'm underwhelmed. I never realized people were that into destroying tires.

    • Re:Um, why? (Score:5, Funny)

      by LunaticTippy (872397) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:16PM (#45645071)
      The button is for thrifty people who want to get their moneys worth out of their tires. When you're about to get a new set of tires you do burnouts in the tire store parking lot until metal is showing, rotate the tires and repeat. Then proudly pull in to the service bay with absolutely no tread left on any of your tires.
    • Re:Um, why? (Score:5, Funny)

      by hey! (33014) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:18PM (#45645105) Homepage Journal

      When I was a teenager back in the 70s I knew a kid who put a solenoid controlled bleach dispenser over his rear tires to achieve that truly obnoxious white smoke burnout.

      Why, do you ask? What possible purpose could that serve? Well, when his girlfriend dumped him, he backed up into her parent's driveway and blanketed their house in smoke for ten minutes.

      This pretty much shows the level of mentality involved.

    • Re:Um, why? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:29PM (#45645225)

      I guess I'm underwhelmed. I never realized people were that into destroying tires.

      Mustang Cobras are bought as cars you can bring to the drag strip and maintain a factory warranty.

      That said:
      At a drag strip, generally before your run, you are sitting in line waiting, and waiting, and waiting, allowing enough time for your tires to cool off to ambient temperature. This is terrible for grip off the line. So generally, you'll roll into the burnout box (a small lowered area in the tarmac containing a little water) and perform a burnout. This does 2 things:
      1) Warms up the tires to about 120-170 degrees, an ideal temperature for a powerful grip when the light goes green.
      2) Clears off any debris you may have picked up travelling in the pit lanes or at the end of the track.

      Both of these are for obtaining maximum traction. Traction generally equals safety (unless you're running a twin-turbo or heavily supercharged engine capable of lifting the front wheels off the ground, then you're asking for trouble on a whole new level and will likely never make use of the burnout button.) Considering how many people out there buy a 400+ horsepower Mustang without knowing the slightest thing about drag racing, expecting to show up at the track, put their pedal to the floor and go without so much a thought, this can prevent many trackday injuries caused by people who can't hold a proper burnout.

    • by Virtucon (127420)

      Consider it a Chinese tire torture test.

      If the tire fails after a minute then it's bad, if it lasts 3 minutes it's safe.

  • New low (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JustNiz (692889)

    Wow, this button is a new low both for Ford and for the Mustang.
    Burnouts are for morons in the first place, but If you can't do one without a button you shouldn't even be behind the wheel.

  • A skill (Score:5, Funny)

    by MrKaos (858439) on Monday December 09, 2013 @07:19PM (#45645117) Journal

    Burnouts are a skill acquired when a Bogan (White trash or whatever) is finally able to purchase a vehicle capable of breaking traction on dry ground. After this qualification they are ready for a doughnut (or Dohhy) usually in a carpark where there are plenty of victi^h^h^h^h^honlookers present to qualify you as a full on dickhead.

    Like much automation these days, such a feature would automate the process of becoming a dickhead, allowing many more dickheads because, as you are probably aware, what the world needs is more dickheads.

    • by Virtucon (127420)

      hey, dickheads keep the economy going by supplying customers and cash to, not in any particular order: bars - dickheads need to buy lots of beer, auto performance shops - hi-performance parts cost money and there's a huge aftermarket for everything to go fast (think SEMA [sema.org]), hospitals because dickheads get injured when their car hits a telephone pole and when they knock up every unwed teenage mother within a 20 mile radius, they buy DVDs of Fast and Furious movies to hear Vin Diesel say something, fast food

      • by Jeremi (14640)

        hey, dickheads keep the economy going by supplying customers and cash to

        Sure, but I don't think this particular invention is going to help -- the moment a burnout becomes easy for anyone to do, it will cease being useful as a way to impress anyone.

        In fact, this may poison the dickhead well, as now whenever someone does a burnout they will be under suspicion of being the dickhead equivalent of a script kiddie.

    • because, as you are probably aware, what the world needs is more dickheads.

      Is that you, Shaft?

      • by MrKaos (858439)

        because, as you are probably aware, what the world needs is more dickheads.

        Is that you, Shaft?

        Damn Right!

        • Is that you, Shaft?

          Damn Right!

          Shut yo' mouth!

          • by MrKaos (858439)

            Is that you, Shaft?

            Damn Right!

            Shut yo' mouth!

            That's no way to talk to the man who protects his brother man.

            • by PNutts (199112)

              Is that you, Shaft?

              Damn Right!

              Shut yo' mouth!

              That's no way to talk to the man who protects his brother man.

              Burma-Shave!

    • by mdielmann (514750)

      TV Advertizer: "Always wanted to be a dickhead, but were never good enough to do it on your own? Well, have we got a product for you! Just push this big red button and everyone around will know you're a dickhead! It's that simple! Order now and an inflatable floozy will be included at NO CHARGE! (Male floozies not available.)"

  • You need a button for this? For me it's apply the right foot to the floor at any speed. You can do this while stopped as well to make the tires break loose and smoke. It's all about applying more force than the mechanical traction of the tires will allow on the road surface. It seems nowadays these kids need a button for everything. I'm sure if they could wire it into an iPhone or Android app it would be even better.

  • Does it have DJ Atomika on the radio?

  • Wonder how much the tire companies paid Ford to put this in.

    Also, if you need a button to do a burnout...

  • I'd prefer a turbo boost button ala Knight Rider's KITT

    (but can only be used once per episode)

    • by turp182 (1020263)

      The AC button was the Turbo button in my CRV, basically allowing the vehicle to hit 75 on an open highway...

      The proposition to my wife was "speed or comfort", so we lumbered slowly down the road in a nice cool vehicle environment.

    • KITT's turbo boost button was my first thought too. You beat me to it. So instead, this link. [youtube.com]

  • by Ungrounded Lightning (62228) on Monday December 09, 2013 @08:03PM (#45645581) Journal

    Burnouts may be showy. But you get better acceleration from a standing start if you DON'T break traction.

    What I'd find more useful is a "button" for automatic maximum-traction acceleration (to a presetable speed or until you let off the gas). Think "anti-lock brakes" but in acceleration.

    (Though what I'd find FAR more useful is integrating "tow-haul" mode with the speed control.)

    • by maz2331 (1104901) on Monday December 09, 2013 @08:57PM (#45646027)

      BMW has that. It's called launch control.

      • by mjwx (966435)

        BMW has that. It's called launch control.

        Renault developed it in the 80's for F1 but these days even Subaru, Mitsubishi and Nissan have launch control on their rally and track cars.

    • I've made some decent bets about whether or not someone can do a donut as well as my 96 Cougar...

      Cars with always-on traction control can't do a donut or burnout, no matter how much horsepower they have.

      It really pisses them off when you can do a kille,r around-the-front-wheels donut; and they can't even break it loose. :)

      One of my coworkers has a newish Mustang with a blower, and it won't but barely squeak the tires. It won't do anything showy, unless you want to go 100mph in a parking lot. :facepalm:

      I'm s

  • Oh, I thought it was the new Ford Taurus.

  • Reading the comments I eventually got enough context to track down the Wikipedia entry, which says: "drag racing tires perform better at higher temperatures, and a burnout is the quickest way to raise tire temperature immediately prior to a race. They also clean the tire of any debris and lay down a layer of rubber by the starting line for better traction."

    So... is this just for drag racing? Or is there some other point to this?

  • There is nothing cool about a factory button that shows off for you.

    What "skill" and motor head credibility does a big black button give you?

    The button should just cause a speaker to blare out "WANKER!" it would have the same effect.

    • by Grog6 (85859)

      Agreed. :)

    • by mjwx (966435)

      There is nothing cool about a factory button that shows off for you.

      What "skill" and motor head credibility does a big black button give you?

      The button should just cause a speaker to blare out "WANKER!" it would have the same effect.

      Lets face it,

      People these days cant drive a manual, need electronic sensors to tell them if there's a car next to them or if they dont have their seatbelt on and assistance to brake or even stay in their lane.

      Pressing a button is a big ask given the skill level of the average motorist these days.

  • Completely dumb feature... but who wouldn't actually want it? You might not ever press it. But its there...calling to you... and one drunken night... magic will happen... and automotive landscaping.

  • So I can do a "showtime" down the main street during rush hour. I'd like to hit that 25X multiplier and chalk up 30 or 40 million points.

  • If you can afford a Mustang GT, and need a button to do a burnout, you're probably a complete wanker who can't actually drive it.

    Just sayin'. This is technology to compensate for lack of skill in middle-aged men.

  • by PPH (736903)

    Tesla already has one.

  • Ford's shitty Mustang has so little power it needs electronic help with doing a burnout? That's pretty sad considering real men only need a good manual transmission to do real burnouts, and I was doing burnouts in an 87 Tercel hatchback equipped with a shitty 4 cylinder engine, and killing the tires or rims every time. Once I killed the pressure pate, that was fun to replace.

  • It probably works exactly like a line lock - locks up the front brakes without applying any pressure to the rears. It can be found in pretty much every car built for drag racing in the last 60 years (aftermarket). The only thing that would be innovative is the fact it's done from the factory in a car intended for the street.

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