GNOME 3.14 Released 250
An anonymous reader writes "GNOME 3.14 was released today and it includes some interesting changes such as re-worked default theme, multi-touch gestures for both the system and applications, and new animations. Information including details on all the new features can be found here."
Not cool enough (Score:2)
It looks soo old and dated with shadows and 3rd effects like lines and colors and text smaller than 72 pixels.
I want my flat non color all white interface. I want to go to the coffee hipster stop with my tablet with just shades of gray or pastel colors with no lines separatin elements. My art professors and chicken will drool at this as this is the ultimate consumption is for servers
Useless Elements and Padding. (Score:3, Insightful)
On top of that, gnome have an activity bar and each application a window decoration bar and then a menu bar. When running a maximized program, the bars are placed directly under each other and good chunk of the upper screen is wasted.
The activity bar still does nothing and the window decoration bar typically has a single close button. It's a gigantic waste of space.
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Because -clutter-. I never maximise any windows, thats such a huge waste of screen space, even on a smaller laptop screen i still have some shells open in the background with logs and chat sessions etc in them. the main working window takes maybe 70% of the screen, and everything not in use right now, like email clients, browser, etc are minimised so they dont produce visual clutter.
Re:Useless Elements and Padding. (Score:4, Insightful)
Minimizing in GNOME would be useless. Have you even looked at the ideas behind it?
I am sure the ideas behind it are absolutely awesome. All I can say is, "Thank you for determining my workflow for me. I had no idea at all that I was doing everything all wrong. I will immediately begin unlearning all of the habits that I have learned over the decades so that I can become slightly more efficient according to someone elses metrics. I am VERY VERY glad that there is no way to alter the workflow because then I might be tempted to stay with my old bad habits while the rest of the world moved on without me! I am sure they would all miss me... so again, thank you."
I just don't know what I would do without Microsoft, Gnome, and Apple all forcing me to change my workflow and habits to be better. God. Can you imagine that a looooong loooooong time ago we were all actually forced to use terminals? No GUI at all! I just wished they would make it impossible to use terminals at all anymore so we would never be bothered by such garbage again. I guess Gnome is not as awesome as they thought they were since it is still (technically) possible to fire up a terminal and start, EGAD!, typing. What an archaic concept.
Speaking of which, why doesn't Slashdot just make us record what we want to say and when you go through the comments, you listen to them instead of read them. Reading is so archaic. I am unsure why anyone does it anymore. It is certainly not useful to ME.
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At least with terminals you could arrange them how you like. Ah, the joys of 3 VT100s on your desk.
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I just wished they would make it impossible to use terminals at all anymore so we would never be bothered by such garbage again. I guess Gnome is not as awesome as they thought they were since it is still (technically) possible to fire up a terminal and start, EGAD!, typing. What an archaic concept.
Don't worry. In Gnome 3.swipeup.swipeleft, the terminal will be replaced by a multitouch paint program where you enter all of your commands from an arcane collection of gestures! Four-finger-left, three-finger-pinch, tap for the win!
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Nautilus? Isn't it called Files now?
Anyway, it sucks beyond belief now, use the Nemo fork of the old Nautilus. It supports SSH, FTP and such (I really hate using scp through the command line).
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Depends on the App. I know some applications have the integration bits where it merges the menu bar with the top bar in GNOME so that it takes up less space. The theming could be a little smaller I agree....
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GNOME list of former features (Score:5, Funny)
Since this is GNOME, does anybody have a link to the official list of features that have been removed from this version?
Re:GNOME list of former features (Score:5, Funny)
Since this is GNOME, does anybody have a link to the official list of features that have been removed from this version?
The version feature removal list feature has been removed in this version in order to better serve the Gnome users.
All 6 of them that are left.
6 months early? (Score:2)
did nobody think to release it on the proper date or just skip that version number? No wonder so many people hate on Gnome
is evince sandboxed now? (Score:2)
Does it at least attempt /a bit/ to protect me from the dangers of the internet?
http://www.mupuf.org/blog/2014... [mupuf.org]
Release the Gnomes (Score:2)
Just sayin...
Gnome, a fundamental desktop requirement of sorts (Score:2)
And the first thing I see when clicking the link is "Weather, redesigned"???
So does it work w/.... (Score:2)
3.14 sounds like a pi-in-the-sky release (Score:4, Funny)
3.14 sounds like a pi-in-the-sky release.
"Re-worked default theme" sounds like they're just going 'round in circles.
"New animations" are hardly a sine of great progress, 'cos they sound tangential to real progress, which really hertz.
I'll wait for 6.28.
Let's be honest (Score:2)
2.14 was way better.
what's the bets... (Score:3)
everytime a new version of Gnome comes out, you find even more things are forced upon you that you can't change... I got pissed off when the screensaver wouldn't let me change the directory path for my screensaver images that I wanted it to automatically use...
Have they fixed the invisible file mgr borders? (Score:2)
It's only on the file manager (that I've found) but you can click OUTSIDE the window and still interact with the window. For example if you have two file-managers close to each other with another window below them both and visible in the gap then you can't click the lower window directly even though you can see it and put your mouse over the visible part of it. All you do is focus one or the other of the file manager windows.
You can also hold down the windows key and click outside the file manager window an
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Yes, they have fixed that problem; at least if we're thinking about the same problem.
The list of features is quite telling... (Score:4, Insightful)
The Gnome environment has a direction. One that does not interest me. Things like "multitouch" are clearly not important to me, but all three users using Gnome on their tablets might care. I am even more surprised to see the new "Weather app" up in the list of exciting new features. The hours I spend daily looking at the weather forecast will now be much more pleasurable.
Anyway, I really want to like Gnome but don't see anything that matters to me. Linux Mint and the Cinnamon environment seem more suited to my needs and, I suspect, to the needs of the "typical" linux user. In a parallel universe where Apple fans decide to use Linux, Gnome will be there for them.
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Things like "multitouch" are clearly not important to me, but all three users using Gnome on their tablets might care.
It's not really intended for tablets, AFAIK the primary target is the touch screens you can buy these days and which some laptops come equipped with. Without some help from the desktop environment and applets, the touch aspect of those screens is more or less completely useless. Maybe you don't care, but the people who buy those screens probably do.
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MATE is still far more advanced in usability (Score:3)
Especially when you have a lot of virtual desktops and a lot of windows. I use a fixed array of 8*6 virtual desktop where I statically organize the multiple projects I work on. Very easy to setup with MATE. Same goal impossible to archive with Gnome because the virtual desktops are organized dynamically. With MATE I can switch very quickly to the virtual desktop I want because there position are fixed and my brain can learn a corresponding map of them. I don't even have to think about how to go to the right virtual desktop, it's so easy that it's almost a reflex. No animation make the switch fast and without visual fatigue.
The whole Gnome3 UI concept look completely ridicule on a 4K screen. It wast all the space so efficiently that it make my new 4K screen look like the old 1080p one. Whit MATE you really enjoy more available space.
Finally a strongly hate the upper corner hook trick that wast time to randomly move all windows out there in a unpredictable position. It broke the static mapping I have in my brain and distract me from my work. On a 4K screen the MATE the top and bottom tiny bars take almost no place and provides direct access to applications menu and windows list without useless animation that broke the actual layout.
I don't need a UI for a smartphone on my desktop as I don't need a UI for a desktop on a smartphone !
Please help MATE to integrate systemd so I can be the default desktop on Debian.
Just turn off dynamic workspaces (Score:2)
I agree the gnome3 dynamic workspaces are annoying, but fortunately there's an option to turn them off. You can turn off the top-left-corner gesture too. I use ctrl-f1 - f8 to switch workspaces, it's nice.
I suppose you could argue that the defaults are not great for experienced users, but most experienced users would expect to have to customise their desktop a bit, I think.
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I just tried Gnome 3.12.2 from a freshly updated Debian jessie and no, there is still nothing configurable at all on that desktop. This is the big major difference from MATE and XFCE4 where everything is configurable by just a right click on the widget you want to change. On Gnome 3, even after years of complain, there is still absolutely nothing configurable at all.
So sorry, your claim is false: there is no option to disable dynamic workspaces and there is no option to disable top-left corner gesture. I ha
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I build Linux embedded systems since 15 years ago, and in each single project there was an specifically developed application to start, monitor, spread events, and stop applications in an dependencies scheduled timing when different events occurs (like electrical signal change, device detection or removal, etc...). Init V design can't be used to do that without a incredibly hard work, and a complete nightmare regarding maintenance.
Systemd solve in an acceptable (and now accepted) way a lot of basic but hard
Gnome Needs a Rethink (Score:2)
Okay, it was a cool idea to make sometime that works on tablets too, but for a desktop power user Gnome 3 is an utter failure.
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Is it a failure, or is it just that you don't like it? A lot of people use Gnome 3 every day on all kinds of desktops and laptops. Yes it's different and if you want Gnome 2 you will have to look at something like Mate or Xfce. But a lot of people use it and like it.
"Multi-touch" tells me all I need to know (Score:3)
The comment on "multi-touch" tells me all I need to know about this release: it's targetted at touch screens.
Not "normal" desktops.
No wonder Gnome 3 sucks so heinously. It's the Linux version of Windows 8.
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As it happens GNOME 3 is perfectly usable for someone with a mouse and keyboard. It's also discoverable, forgiving, easy to use and simple to learn which are the main goals of it.
Feel free to install Cinnamon or an entirely different desktop if you don't like it.
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Feel free to install Cinnamon
Mod parent up: informative.
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Window decorations don't suck! (Score:2)
I've been complaining for years that the default KDE window manager not only looks ugly but also clashes with the rest of the theme. If they made windows look like plasma widgets, then they would look sleek, and they would look like they were designed to fit with the rest of the theme. But KDE devs seem to have no idea what I'm talking about. How can thing go so right in so many ways and then fall apart in one so conspicuous area?
On first glance, the new Gnome window decorations actually look pretty good
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If you're going to "change the runlevel to a non graphical startup", you probably know already to hit ctrl-alt-f1 to switch to a VT console, or maybe alt-f2 (then launch xterm) as somewhat of a standard in older gnome and other desktop environments?
That'd be easier than finding the terminal in Mac OS X.
By the way, I once had trouble finding the terminal in Unity. I don't know what the executable's name is. But xterm is always there, so I could type "xterm" somewhere and have it launched.
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but my terminal says :
No command 'term' found, did you mean:
Command 'aterm' from package 'aterm' (universe)
Command 'aterm' from package 'aterm-ml' (universe)
Command 'bterm' from package 'bogl-bterm' (main)
Command 'terd' from package 'tcm' (universe)
Command 'kterm' from package 'kterm' (universe)
Command 'xterm' from package 'xterm' (main)
Command 'ferm' from package 'ferm' (universe)
Command 'pterm' from package 'pterm' (universe)
Command '
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Or press the Windows key and start typing "cmd"
Does that make Windows more awesome than OS X? It's one less key press.
GNOME is the same (Score:5, Informative)
"Super" key then type ter and hit enter. Exactly same number of keys and no mouse required.
Recent GNOME 3.xx are actually quite accessible and keyboard friendly. Most haters here hate just to ride on the 'leet bandwagon.
GNOME suffers from the same affliction as systemd and pulse audio before it...lots of prejudice because it was too crappy or weird when they first came out but are much improved over time. Kind of like people who still think Hyundai cars are junk because their 1985 Pony died on the road all the time, but nowadays Hyundai is as good or better than Toyota.
Some people will never like GNOME 3.xx that's OK, just a matter of taste really. Power users obviously frustrated at lack of tweakability and advanced stuff being hidden, But in my experience it is presently the best desktop by far for beginner and casual computer users. Mum and Dad learned their way around it faster than Windows or Mas OS X, seriously!
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Interestingly enough, it's only one keystroke more on a mac: Cmd-Space, ter, Enter.
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That has nothing whatsoever to do with Gnome and everything to do with your DISTRO.
Also most (all) distro's have a single user mode that runs graphics free, login to that and configure to your hearts content.
Your comment seems to be fishing for a +5 Insightful but you're -1 Troll.
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It's so easy to use, no wonder it's number 1! You just point....and click! No wait..that's not it! damn!
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Re:Commands lines (Score:5, Insightful)
What about SUPER t, e, r, ENTER?
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You just don't get it. You can't expect him to use an obscure text-based interface to run programs. He wants a simple, easy to use graphical interface that's purely mouse driven to accomplish all of his tasks. But he's a power user, so he doesn't want any of that graphical stuff, he just wants easy access to the terminal.
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4 keys too many
ctrl alt t
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press superkey.
type "terminal"
press enter.
Keyboard-free.
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I think you meant "GUI free" there.
Q. What's the fastest way to open the terminal program using the GNOME GUI?
A. Not use the GUI.
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press superkey. type "terminal" press enter.
Keyboard-free.
My keyboards don't have those (used to be) OS-specific keys on them.
Yes, they're still around and yes, they are still very popular [clickykeyboards.com].
Re:Commands lines (Score:5, Informative)
OR, you could:
1) move mouse to upper left corner
2) click the thingy
3) type "ter"
4) hit enter
You can even skip 1 and 2 by pushing your windows (or whatever you want to call it) button, which acts like the upper corner thingy.
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You can even skip 1 and 2 by pushing your windows (or whatever you want to call it) button, which acts like the upper corner thingy.
The "Windows" key is called the "meta key" on all platforms that I'm aware of.
"Now you know, and knowing is half the battle." -- Sgt. Slaughter (Sorry, but that GI Joe quote was too tempting)
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I like it too
D'oh! (Score:2)
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I have not used Gnome for a LONG while, but did CTRL+F2 die?
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I hate Gnome 3 as much as anyone, but I once used it on a computer which I assume was probably just debian wheezy (when wheezy was still late testing). It seemed decent at showing one or two windows seemingly guessing where I wanted them to be moved to.. Maybe I can't explain myself about it. It seemed very good at managing a handful terminal and browser windows. While not providing something like a taskbar. Kind of an OpenGL accelerated, black-themed Windows 3.1.
It's not a real desktop environment, but if
Re:The hipsters need to go! (Score:4, Interesting)
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1. argument from authority. Just because redhat is doing it doesn't mean it's the best solution.
2. argument from popularity. Doing what the bonobos do isn't necessarily the best choice just because they make up the majority, especially when they didn't choose at all. They just use what they're given.
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Bonobos spend most of their time fucking. Do you have a problem with tbat?
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I guess.. I mean today's welfare state is a large negative consequence of too much fucking. The overpopulation of the planet is another, bigger one.
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Well, no. Todays welfare state is a large positive consequence of Count Otto von Bismark being one smart fucker.
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Citation Needed (Score:2)
GNOME most popular desktop, needs a citation. GNOME marketshare _really_ needs a citation as I am guessing that there is no dominant desktop on Linux at the moment.
I don't care if it is designed by Hipsters or not. Minimize no longer moves a window to the back of alt-tab, a blocker issue. And anyone with a hint of ADHD can't use a desktop with an overview mode. Sequence of flashes is seriously distracting. Closing my two monitor, large tower in order to suspend is also fricking hilarious (albite not a block
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Because more people are using GNOME than KDE. Here is something else, according to some folks within suse, opensuse also has more GNOME 3 users than other DEs
Where are you getting these statistics from? Are you just extrapolating from assumptions like: Will not change the default desktop?
I would be more interested in seeing what the repositories are reporting concerning updates... but even that will not be accurate because sometimes I leave stuff installed for testing purposes... and I am sure others, for their own reasons, leave stuff installed too despite using something else.
For myself, I consider Gnome to be of the same type of evil as SystemD. The developer
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I know I'm feeding a troll, but systemd is quite likable, and I like it better than launchd. I'm looking into getting rid of launchd on my OS X box and adding a launchd-compatibility layer into systemd so that the rest of the system would be happy in its ignorance about not talking to a real launchd...
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no, cowpie (ie meadow muffin, pasture patty)
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My first thought as well. I was dissapointed, the pi release comes only once in a product's lifespan and not one single reference on the release page. Of course I didn't watch the video, maybe they slipped something in there, but I can't help feeling that Gnome has abandoned it's geeky roots.
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Sometimes 3.14 is just the number 3.14, and not a reference to the ratio of a circle's curcumference to diameter...
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Not sure what the new wifi feature really is, but if it can automatically log in to the wifi network instead of you doing it with a browser that's a mildly useful and convenient feature.
For such a feature to be robust there would be a need for the user to set up that automatic login though (e.g. using epiphany-browser). Some will just require username/password (first form entry/second form entry) but others have a "I agree to terms of service" checkbox and some others might be different still.
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IOW, they've reinvented NetworkManager/nw-applet?
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Re:oh yeah, GNOME3 (Score:4, Insightful)
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does anyone even use that rubbish? Did they all of a sudden start listening to what users wanted and needed?
Yes. A lot of people use Gnome. Maybe not all of /. readers, but we are hardly representative.
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That's my question. I've wound up with it installed plenty of times because it's the default on too many distributions but use?
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Oh noes, Gnome is losing the ever important "So alcoholic they have always have a beer and bottle opener within seconds reach" market.
If you're such a slow typist, perhaps a terminal is not for you.
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The complaint is not that it's hard to find. It's that it takes forever to launch. It's a valid complaint, because it does that. I could open a terminal faster in 1992
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searching a path is still a lot faster, and, typically, application icons refer to the full path of the executable anyway. Isn't the point of guis to avoid typing? What's the point of your pretty gui if people have to type into it all the time in order to accomplish remedial tasks? Search does not make up for inflexible, unintuitive guis.
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I bet I could open it faster than fvwm or twm
I bet you couldn't. You don't even know what we're talking about.
GNOME 3.14 is even faster now than 3.12 when it comes to doing those overview searches.
One more time, this is not about finding the icon. Please try to keep up, or butt out as you are not advancing the conversation. This is about how long it takes for the terminal app to launch, not about how long it takes you to find the button. And frankly, if you can't find xterm in the context menu, then you're an asshole. And double-frankly, if you don't pin it to the taskbar or launch bar or whatever GNOME has now, you're a double asshole.
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It has a time-of-the-day-and-application-name bar. No pinning to it.
Well, fuck it sideways. GNOME has truly gone to total shit, which is why I haven't used it in years. Can you still copy .desktop files to a desktop?
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If only you had some kind of pointing device for your desktop...
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It's certainly made for both desktops and laptops. That's how most people use it, claiming anything else is just ridiculous. I'm sure a lot of people would love to see Gnome running on a tablet, but we're not there yet in terms of hardware.
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Then why are lusers told to shut the lid to their monitor to suspend? I know that isn't going to work on my workstation.
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Where does it say that? I'm running it on a laptop and it doesn't say anything about that in the power settings at least.
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In forums and bug reports people have asked how to suspend and are always told that the preferred way is to close the lid. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh... [redhat.com] for one example. But GNOME developers have said the primary target is laptops so I guess I should be surprised.
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So Intel controls the Gnome project now? This is news to me.
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Yes, after all, costtarded OS's have excellent track records.
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It's 'do you HAVE...' get it right bungwipe.. huhuhuh
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Unfortunately, no.