Notorious 8chan Board Has History Wiped After Federal Judge's Doxing 240
AmiMoJo writes On Monday, imageboard site 8chan's "baphomet" subboard, an Internet destination known for hosting aggressive "doxing" posts, received a major history wipe the day after one of its users posted the personal information of a federal judge in the Silk Road case. A follow-up post by baphomet's "Board Owner" account stated that "HW," a reference to site founder Frederick "hotwheels" Brennan, deleted "the SSN posts" and told the baphomet board founder, previously identified via an associated Twitter handle as Benjamin Biddix, to "lay low." The same day baphomet's "Board Owner" announced a "doxing for hire" service due to "running low on funds."
Don't worry (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure the guy who posted was behind 7 proxies.
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8chan castrates itself? (Score:1)
8chan supposed to be for free speech, but then they have the proviso
"Do not post, request, or link to any content illegal in the United States of America. Do not create boards with the sole purpose of posting or spreading such content"
8chan users always castigate 4chan as halfchan, but now itself is becoming 1/4chan
Re: Don't worry (Score:1)
...says the AC
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Don't make assumptions (Score:1)
Why does it matter? It's not illegal to post name, addresses, SSN, etc... and you don't have to do anything illegal to get them. There are plenty 'background checks' companies. Doxing is the crowd source version of such companies like Uber is to taxis.
I would suggest that you ask a lawyer about this as it applies to a federal judge. You might get a surprising answer, for free even.
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I would have posted first but I'm behind 8 proxies. So slow!
Lucky you. I'm behind 8 proxies AND my hotelier is jamming my personal wifi access point.
Ok? (Score:1)
What's the story here?
A user of a board posted info on someone, gets the attention of law enforcement and is probably going to see jailtime in the future.
The administrator deletes and removes said offending post.
What am I missing here or is this newsworthy?
translation (Score:3, Informative)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doxing (from dox, abbreviation of documents),[1] or doxxing,[2][3] is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting personally identifiable information about an individual.[3][4][5][6] The methods employed to acquire this information include searching publicly available databases and social media websites (like Facebook), hacking, and social engineering. It is closely related to cyber-vigilantism, hacktivism and cyber-bullying.
Doxing may be carried out to aid law enforcement, business analysis, extortion, coercion, harassment, public shaming and other forms of vigilante justice.[7][8]
Re: further translation needed (Score:1)
I always assumed 4chan means "fortune." Is that right?
So then does 8chan mean "Asian?"
I've never been to either site. Can someone please explain the logic behind #chan?
Re: further translation needed (Score:5, Informative)
8chan was basically what happened when moot (who was 4chan's admin until his retirement a few weeks ago) banned #gamergate and fucked with /pol/. (Translation: Even he got sick of the gamergaters, and the fact that none of the political whackjobs could keep their shit in the /pol/itics containment board, so he fucked with 'em for the lulz. I thought it was funny as fuck.)
tl;dr: 8ch exists because there are people for whom 4chan is too polite.
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I think you mean: moot was cosying up to Gawker and his brand new SJW buddies to get some money. GamerGate was busy attacking Gawker. So moot did what he was told like a little bitch.
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8chan was basically what happened when moot (who was 4chan's admin until his retirement a few weeks ago) banned #gamergate and fucked with /pol/
No, only the /gg/ board, and later /gamergate/ board came to be as you have described. 8chan itself (or infinitechan, the 8 representing a lemniscate) started over a year ago, which was many months before gamergate, when Brennan, having seen the many other *chans sprout up over the years in the aftermath of repeated censorship on 4chan, decided to create a hybrid of Reddit and 4chan.
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it's just a new word for "doing private detective stuff".
really, his doxing for hire service is identical to what most private detectives do... well apart from being in the bushes and shooting pictures of people having sex.
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Its called karma prostitution.
Don't post judges stuff (Score:3)
Doxxing is an act of intimidation (Score:5, Insightful)
Trying to intimidate a federal judge is both a criminal act and a VERY bad idea.
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The fact that a federal judge would have their personal information hidden is telling indeed.
If they don't trust the law enforcement system, then who the fuck can?
Re:Doxxing is an act of intimidation (Score:5, Insightful)
A federal judge will have a list of enemies a mile long, many violent offenders like to blame anyone but themselves for the mess they are in and police, judges, prosecutors etc are all high on their target list.
Re:Doxxing is an act of intimidation (Score:4, Insightful)
Doxxing is an act of intimidation (Score:3, Interesting)
Posting *publicly available* information of a **public servant** is illegal?
Re:Doxxing is an act of intimidation (Score:5, Insightful)
You have to question why this information was posted in the first place. Was it so people on the internet could invite the judge to a party or be invited to the judge's social gatherings? No, it was expressly done by malicious people (eg: silk road users) to inform other malicious people about one of their prime enemies. This was done so they could discriminate, harass or harm the judge in the future for taking away their prized illegal goods/services web store.
So, yes, it's illegal to post this kind of info. The private lives of public servants should not be invaded in the same way as private life of an ordinary citizen should not.
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Re:Doxxing is an act of intimidation (Score:5, Insightful)
He signed up to do something he believes is good. Generally the majority of the society it is good too.
He didn't ask for this case, it was assigned to him. His decision to be a Judge was likely made decades before this case, so I am having a very hard time understanding your rational of "he asked for it."
People sign up in the military to defend their country. They realize that it involves a risk of killing others and perhaps being killed. The government changes over time, and you find a lot of people in the military with personal reservations about the willingness of the current administration to do what they would personally prefer not be done.
In both cases, just skipping town is not an option. If it were ever permitted, then we would never have Judges presiding over any cases were someone might get pissed off, nor servicemen fighting in any places where they could find some point of disagreement as to why they are there.
You stated that "They do not care about your rights." which is wholly untrue to a Judge. The only thing a Judge cares about is your rights; but, your rights do not extend so far as to see you never get punished. Watch a Judge in action some time (not on TV). The first hint of circumstantial evidence, and they wake up an put an end to it immediately. Yes, they only will focus on the case at hand, and no they won't pander to emotion because they're not mental health counselors.
You seem to be mad about bankers destroying the economy. I fail to see how attacking Judges solves your problem.
You seem to be mad about unelected people in power. I fail to see how attacking Judges (who are elected) solves your problem.
You seem to be upset about the simplistic focus on "good" and "evil". I fail to see how attacking a person dedicated to making sure people follow a set of rules (as opposed to consulting a good vs evil chart), aka a Judge solves your problem.
I can hear your pain and rage. I just think that you don't see Judges for what they are. They are far less than what you esteem them to be.
Circumstantial evidence. (Score:2)
The first hint of circumstantial evidence, and [judges] wake up and put an end to it immediately.
It seems like every time a geek goes on trial he makes the same mistake.
Eyewitness testimony is direct evidence.
Circumstantial evidence is used in criminal courts to establish guilt or innocence through reasoning.
University of Michigan law professor Robert Precht [once] said, ''Circumstantial evidence can be, and often is much more powerful than direct evidence.''
The common metaphor for the strongest possible evidence in any case ---the ''smoking gun'' --- is an example of proof based on circumstantial evidence. Similarly, fingerprint evidence, videotapes, sound recordings, photographs, and many other examples of physical evidence that support the drawing of an inference, i.e., circumstantial evidence, are considered very strong possible evidence.
In practice, circumstantial evidence can have an advantage over direct evidence in that it can come from multiple sources that check and reinforce each.
Circumstantial evidence [wikipedia.org]
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Intent does matter. Posting "publicly available information" for the purposes of intimidation or harassment or to aid identity theft is illegal,
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Don't mess with Federal Judges.
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I get the impression that it's more about the judge being likely to respond, where as many other people feel like they can't even approach the police with "someone posted my personal information on the internet!"
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Re:Don't be a dick (Score:5, Insightful)
People don't like being doxed. Judges are people too.
Well, you don't get it, do you? Of course "People don't like being doxed", neither you, nor me. The thing is, being a judge changes dramatically the way "doxing" is dealt with. Double standard...
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Except law enforcement has made it de facto practice to comb through anyone's public information under the guise that it is fair game. They can't be so incredulous as to think that the same wouldn't be applied to themselves? They set the standard.
If not 8chan, there are more than enough other places for said info to be posted on the deep web, and being a judge just means even greater luls for pulling it off.
Certainly law enforcement has the power to make any individual's life hell, but when the attacks are
Re:Don't be a dick (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't be so fucking naive. An ill-tempered judge is the most dangerous enemy you can possibly make. Once you are presented to them in hand-cuffs you are as fucked as a quarterback who pisses off a referee.
BONUS: the person who has discretion over who to deliver in handcuffs plays poker with the Judge!
Piss off a politician, piss off a cop, piss off the DAs office, or even a surgeon.
NEVER piss off a judge, especially not the type who can deny appeals without a hearing. Good luck writing a writ of habeus corpus that motivates a District Supreme Court to intervene on your behalf! You threaten a judge and expect another judge to have your back? Lol, you think Cops are the only one with a secret squirrel club? https://www.pinterest.com/pin/260997740877062065/
They are accountable only to themselves and the special investigators who can shake them down for corruption. Once they're on the bench, they're virtually impossible to remove as one of the tenants of the separation of powers. Absolute power does LOTS of things "absolutely". The guardians of "The Republic" have been bought and paid for by the prison industrial complex. Same as it ever was. Feel free to piss in the wind and try to change the system from the inside.
Where do you think disillusioned old men come from if not young idealists with experience?
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"Don't be so fucking naive. An ill-tempered judge is the most dangerous enemy you can possibly make. Once you are presented to them in hand-cuffs you are as fucked as a quarterback who pisses off a referee."
Don't be so fucking naive. An ill-tempered criminal is the most dangerous enemy you can possibly make. Once they know where you and your loved ones live, you are as fucked as a quarterback who pisses off a referee.
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Don't be so fucking naive. An ill-tempered criminal is the most dangerous enemy you can possibly make. Once they know where you and your loved ones live, you are as fucked as a quarterback who pisses off a referee.
What nonsense. A criminal who attacks your house can be shot, either by you, or police who show up, and you won't even be in legal hot water afterwards.
Try that with a cop who comes to arrest you for attacking a judge. Your life will be over. Over, full-stop.
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Except you can be protected against the criminal.
You can't be protected against the judge unless you have equal or greater captialism power.
You can't be protected against a criminal. These days, if you protect yourself from a criminal, it's a tossup whether you will end up in jail. At least, you should make sure to have the criminal remove their mask first and make sure of their race. Defending yourself from a minority criminal is a jailable offense now.
Still that is better than not defending yourself at all, because if you comply 100%, the criminals will still often kill you.
The criminals have the law on their sides these days. A normal law
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Re:Don't be a dick (Score:4, Insightful)
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The legal system gives a lot of leeway for those who want to be dicks. It just doesn't abide those who are conspiring to break laws.
To back up my first point the video game scourge of a lawyer, Jack Thompson, generally made an ass of himself for over a decade before he managed to finally commit acts so horrible he was disbarred.
Judges are the symbolic head of our legal system, but the Juries make the decisions. So outing a Judge is just a way to symbolically strike back at the court system. It doesn't ac
Re:Don't be a dick (Score:4, Insightful)
the greatest enemy to freedom is cynicism like yours
vile evil people can do many things to remove your freedom. but it's quite hilarious that some people, like you, roll over in quivering fear and give it up on your own. because you perceive the enemies of freedom to be so potent. they aren't. they are in your cowardly mind. not reality
reality:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]
if you think justice doesn't prevail, then whose side are you on in the end?
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It is not "an acceptable kind of vigilate justice". It is the kind of behaviour you expect from badly brought up brats with personality disorders so severe they have to be kept locked up.
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Just because the government is scum, does not mean you should attempt to "out-scum" them. That is the work of ISIS and Beaucoup Haram, etc.
Being more evil than someone else is not how you get to be good.
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People don't like being doxed. Judges are people too.
Well, you don't get it, do you? Of course "People don't like being doxed", neither you, nor me. The thing is, being a judge changes dramatically the way "doxing" is dealt with. Double standard...
Being a Judge changes a lot of things. For example, there are plenty of people who after hearing the "wrong" verdict who lack the scruples to abide by the law and might be willing to actually kill a Judge.
So we have extra laws to protect Judges from those who are willing to assist in Judge revenge. Otherwise, being the good-old-USA, we would have people selling maps to the Judge's home just outside the courtroom.
The Judge in the case didn't perform misconduct, and he ran a fair courtroom. The defense had
Re:Don't be a dick (Score:5, Insightful)
the double standard is that your occupation doesn't involve passing judgment on murders, rapists, mafia, and other assorted shitbags who have, and would, given the chance, engage in violent retribution on the judge or their family simply for doing his or her job
so yeah, double standard
a completely 100% appropriate double standard
directly reflecting the nature of their work, compared to the nature of your work
your "double standard" complaint is similar to complaining that a nuclear missile silo gets more protection than an outhouse
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you can't respond to someone's argument by misunderstanding it
try again and maybe i'll reply to you. first, try to read what i am actually saying, and actually respond to that. rather than making bullshit up in your head that has nothing to do with what i am saying
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I don't think deleting the board's history is gonna help, as their are multiple archives of the board right now. I think Hotwheels' life is about too become an objective lesson in why you don't fuck with the law.
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The founding fathers were terrorists, you fucking twat. You're "against terrorism" because you're too scared to fuck with society, you hypocritical coward.
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the american revolution wasn't actually a revolution, it was a war of independence
independence movements always existed, and always will
many factors go into whether or not they succeed
the most important factor is the cohesive quality of the idea a group is fighting for
some may go nowhere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... [wikipedia.org]
even with interesting backing
http://www.washingtontimes.com... [washingtontimes.com]
other movements may ignite convulsive earthquakes of power balances into orgies of death and destruction
http://en.wikipedia.org/w [wikipedia.org]
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Besides which, what purpose does it serve to publish personal information of a judge? The only reason you'd do it is to encourage others to harass her. If you don't like the laws then you should be lobbying the politicians that create them, or taking protesting actions to highlight them, not fucking
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Let's not compare the colonial revolutionaries being willing to fight for what they wanted _against the King's men_ (and they were no innocent maidens so far as this went) with violent fanatics who want to force a change in US government policies by the threatened and attempted _mass murder of civilians_
Is it ok if the mass murder of civilians was essentially successful and the few survivors have their lands confiscated and are locked away in reservations?
There is just a small difference in those things, "you fucking twat."
The main difference is success. Any means are justified by success.
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Let's not compare the colonial revolutionaries being willing to fight for what they wanted _against the King's men_
Pfft... it's not particularly brave when you're fighting against a bunch of guys who couldn't even put Humpty together again (and so stupid that they even thought roping in the kings horses would somehow help in that endeavour, for whatever reason).
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i.e. traitors
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The tactics used by those rebels is currently called illegal by the US government - hence their need to place "enemy combatants" in concentration camps* without juridical oversight...
(* using the proper definition)
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You need to look up how the conservative part of the population was treated during the American war of secession. Hint, painting someone with boiling tar can be quite terrorizing as well as being hung without even a trial.
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The Once and Mighty Slashdot (Score:4, Insightful)
Jesus Fucking Christ.
It's obvious to everyone by now that the Slashdot editors have taken a passive aggressive stance towards Gamergate stories and submissions, using every opportunity to smear gamers and generally ignoring just about every even slightly neutral or nuanced aspect of the internet's biggest ever flamewar. Holy shit, News for Nerds, if ever there was news for nerds, it was Gamergate. Holy Fuck. The least the editors could have done was joked about it all.
But this shit? This is just straight up Propaganda, with a capital P. This obvious fucking bait that even the gamers and SJWs have almost completely ignored, ending up unironically on the front page. Propaganda for the New Age Fascists who have been shitting on both gamers and the entire tech sector for the last three years and who are fucking notorious for getting their SJW cult members to pull this false flag shit to try and get sites shut down.
I don't know what disgusts me more. Slashdot, the site that stood against censorship and SOPA, coming down on the site of the Moral Panic 2.0 hipsters calling for the internet wide censorship and controls. Or Slashdot, the site made by nerds, for nerds, coming down on the side of a transparent high school clique of social justice bullies who are ripping the tech sector apart at the seams.
Because for all their hysteria and anti-intellectualism, the SJWs are at the end of the day, fakers and posers who never cared about geeks, tech, or hobbies. But you guys, Slashdot eds and the shills in these threads, you were nerds once, and somewhere behind all the shame and self-loathing you've self-indoctrinated yourselves with, you know how wrong all this is. You know how hollow and hypocritical people like Shanley and Sarkeesian are, and you know that nerds, geeks, and techies are being bullied into submission by these people. You could have simply done nothing, but instead you've sided with some of the worst, most vicious, and most destructive trolls in the history of the internet. Shame on you. Shame on you all.
Thought For The Day: A heretic may see the truth and seek redemption. He may be forgiven his past and be absolved in death. A Traitor can never be forgiven. A Traitor can never find peace in this world or the next. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor.
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Wow. You managed to say everything I wished I had said, only you said it before I did and probably much better than I would have.
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Jesus Fucking Christ
Again.. Cut the guy some slack already!
Mod parent up! (Score:2)
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Because for all their hysteria and anti-intellectualism, the SJWs are at the end of the day, fakers and posers who never cared about geeks, tech, or hobbies.
Let's be fair here: they also don't care about social justice, minorities, or women.
They're just a band of trolls who use "social justice" causes as justifications for trolling. And they've been trying to get 8-chan shut down for the past six months. Looks like they may have found a tactic that works.
And don't get me wrong, GamerGate is one of the silliest things I've heard about in a while. But no matter how pointless and silly I find the "gamer" outrage, the SJW side is terrifying and the women who the
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And don't get me wrong, GamerGate is one of the silliest things I've heard about in a while.
It's only silly until you realize exactly how corrupt "gaming journalism" actually is. After all, who would want the media to not be full of people who are shilling for people they're banging/living with/or are friends with. Even the MSM has long figured out how to recuse themselves from topics they're too close to.
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It's only silly until you realize exactly how corrupt "gaming journalism" actually is.
It's still amusing given how pointless and little-read "gaming journalism" really is. The GGers, the anti-GGers, and the gaming journalists all think that anything other than a small percentage of people who play games actually listens to any of their nonsense.
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It's still amusing given how pointless and little-read "gaming journalism" really is. The GGers, the anti-GGers, and the gaming journalists all think that anything other than a small percentage of people who play games actually listens to any of their nonsense.
Considering that GG has done nothing but expand over the last 6mo, it does seem that people are listening to and paying attention to it. Then again, if you have any passing desire for people who report on things, to act in a ethical and objective manner it matters to you. Otherwise I'm sure you're quite happy with kotaku or gawker brand click-bait telling you how you're a terrorist for playing video games.
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No, GG has died down. Seriously - the news on it has waned and the general public probably only saw it
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Gamergate supporters are the neo-nazis of the tech world. 8chan is a hive of actual neo-nazis, pedophiles and other undesirables.
Nice misdirection there newfriend, your sjw is showing.
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Actually, you're the one engaging in misdirection. All it takes is a few minutes of reading pol on either chan site to see that the boards are primarily made up of white supremacist posters, and it only takes a glance at the board listing of 8chan to see that they harbour actual pedophiles as well.
The /pol/s are troll boards and if you spent anytime there you would know it. It's not fucking stormfront.
However, do keep calling people "sjw" when they spout the truth -it helps people to realize that you GG scum lie to yourselves as well as to the rest of us.
I call you sjw when you conspire to flagrantly slander others using an "us" vs "them" approach just to justify your ego. That's what makes the ANTI-GG people the real fascists.
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The /pol/s are troll boards and if you spent anytime there you would know it. It's not fucking stormfront.
Bullshit.
I call you sjw when you conspire to flagrantly slander others using an "us" vs "them" approach just to justify your ego. That's what makes the ANTI-GG people the real fascists.
Non-nonsensical bullshit.
Sorry, GG'ers engage in real world harassment, GG frequent forums that spouse racist and anti-semitic rhetoric. ..if not present... stormfronters; IE NAZIS.
In short, GG'ers are future
Proof for anyone who needs it:
boards.4chan.org/pol/
8chan.co/pol
8chan.co/gg/
Read and follow the shit for yourself.
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8chan.co/gg/ that's a anti-gg board new friend.
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Actually we're Luchadores. And we just.... Leveled Up!
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And so...? (Score:3)
I want to live in two out of three worlds (Score:2)
1) a world where everyone knows how to dox, teaches how to dox, and uses it all the time as appropriate.
2) a world where nobody uses doxing and doxing is frowned upon everywhere and under all circumstances
3) a world where people don't do doxing, and it is frowned upon for people, but the NSA, CIA and law enforcement uses doxing internally, and it is accepted that they should do this.
I want to live in 1) or 2), but I do not want to live in 3).
Personally... (Score:2)
I'd rather focus on fixing the problems with using real names than "doxing" anonymous posters, for example.
I'd rather piss on Satan's Hoof (Score:2)
I'm not saying judges are or should be untouchables. Not at all. Uncover and post every academic, financial, and personal acquiantance or interaction they've had since pre-school. That's useful and necessary oversight. But you do **NOT** post how to physically find them, interfere
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Is it illegal to use SSNs as ID numbers outside of the intended purpose of Social Security accounting? It's not really the government's fault that so many companies are so fucking stupid.
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Maybe the GP should copyright his SSN, so if he gets doxxed he can post a takedown notice!
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Nope.
If you have $50.00 and the name and address of a person or even just the License plate number you can contact NexisLexis and buy all their information including the SSN number.
This is the United States largest information broker for businesses, they will gladly sell it to most anyone that at least tries to look legit.
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An SSN is only valuable in that it's a number used to identify you for financial reports. If another number was used, it would be the one to be valuable, and be just as vulnerable.
Re:Papers, please (Score:5, Insightful)
You're living in the land of don't fuck with Federal Judges.
Re:Papers, please (Score:4, Insightful)
There was a time when it was America.
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Now now, of course
But actually there was one ... way back in 1776
After Lincoln was elected as the POTUS, all changed
The Alien and Sedition Acts may disagree with you.
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Exactly what time in America was it appropriate to go vigilante against the government? I'm not talking "fixing it" by formally fighting it. I'm asking when it was appropriate to slander, wrap houses, slash tires, egg people in the streets, call them in the middle of the night with death threats, etc.
Americans have abused their freedoms to the point that any indication they shouldn't be assholes is an affront to their beliefs.
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Yes, of course, that would be soooo much better... having well armed local militias. A whole bunch of them. Along with a weak central government. That works so well in Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, ...
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Nobody said lynch mob. That term has a connotation of violence without cause.
No, it doesn't. At all. It means exactly what you are talking about.
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There was a time when it was America.
There was a time when the geek had more political sense than a baked potato. There isn't a secure and functional democracy on this planet that allows its judges to be threatened or harassed.
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there's two concepts of freedom
1. the teenager's conception: "i can do whatever i want, damn the consequences." this is immaturity (not to denigrate actual chronological teenagers, only to denigrate psychological teenagers, who could be 47 years old. plenty of actual teenagers are more mature than many "adults")
2. the adult's conception: "i can do whatever i want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." freedom, and responsibility. in fact, there is no no such thing as freedom in this world without also re
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And I would add:
3. The reality: "I can do whatever I want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, and there isn't someone out there that doesn't like it.*"
* Someone being any church, organization of mothers, organization of minority groups, or the most pure of puritans.
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how can a SJW silence you?
i don't like SJWs but i also dislike the douchebag blowback against them
all you assholes, SJWs, and people like you so so butthurt by SJWs, poor baby, you can all swallow a shotgun as far as i am concerned
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You'd know it if you were older than 14.
quite the opposite...
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