Windows 10 RTM In 6 Weeks 290
Billly Gates writes: Ars Technica has the scoop on a new build with less flat icons and a confirmation of a mid July release date. While Microsoft is in a hurry to fix the damage done by the Windows 8 versions of its operating system, the next question is, is ready for prime time? On Neowin there's a list of problems already mentioned by MS and its users with this latest release, including Wi-Fi and sound not working without a reboot, and users complaining about tiles and apps not working in the new start menu.
Marketing-driven deadlines (Score:2, Interesting)
The beta should go on for at least another year.
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That's why it'll be free to upgrade to for a year.
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It's free to upgrade for a year, because they need it to become the new 'standard' - fast. They need people writing apps that'll run nicely on the mobile version. And, if the rumors are true, they're planning to make up for all those free upgrades with a hefty OEM price for new computers (isn't it nice to be able to extract Monopoly rates when you need it). $109 OEM for the home version, $149 for Pro. Makes Chromebooks look better and better - not to mention Linux loaded on your old PC.
Not to say that'll keep people from buying laptops with Win10. Unless somebody sells the same hardware with Ubuntu for $100 less...
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It's not free if you only have XP or want to build/buy a new computer.
And at 109$USD for an OS alone, it's really expensive.
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Pricing OSes is hard to do. There simply aren't very many commercial OSes out there to get a price on.
AmigaOS 4 had a price drop from 125 euro to 30 euro not long ago. Solaris is about $1000. I can't easily find the price for AIX, but several years ago it was up in Solaris territory. Apple doesn't sell OSX on its own (the price is baked into the hardware.) eComStation is $290.
Operating system prices seem to be either 'free' or 'who the hell knows'.
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$109 OEM for the home version, $149 for Pro. Makes Chromebooks look better and better - not to mention Linux loaded on your old PC.
Yikes, that's expensive. If all the Pro features were available in the base version, then maybe... but, sheesh.
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$109 OEM for the home version, $149 for Pro
Those have been the standard prices for years. Larger OEMs get big discounts, and I doubt that will change.
What will be interesting to see is if they keep the free version for small devices. Currently Windows 8 is free for most devices with a screen less than 13". There are a lot of cheap but fairly reasonable spec tablets making use of that now.
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I understand MS wants to make Windows 10 a subscription model.
I wonder if that means this free upgrade will be suddenly start asking for subscription money (i.e. turn ransomware) in a year.
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The beta should go on for at least another year.
I don't know about another year, but I do think that as of now, it's still not ready. Some apps crash a lot in my tablet, and some refuse to even start - notably Skype. Steam also crashes quite a bit. Also, in improving the desktop experience, the tablet experience has gone bad - sometimes, apps just disappear and one has to do a swipe to get the task screens. They do need to debug some of their back-ends.
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I'm going to have sooo much difficulty not auto-translating that to "RTFM" when I hear or read it...
Re:Marketing-driven deadlines (Score:5, Informative)
Speaking of marketing, what's with this "RTM" term?
RTM is Release To Manufacturing.
Why not just use "FS", as in For Sale.
Because it's Release To Manufacturing, not For Sale.
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There's no confirmation of the release date. (Score:5, Informative)
This synopsis is in error. The article linked does NOT confirm the release date, only still says it's a rumor.
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True on that. They just released 10130, but considering they're entering the tuning, tweaking, stabilizing phase, it's probably close to the final build. I'd say august-september, but july isn't unreasonable.
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Newegg has it available for pre-order and set for an August 31 release date.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/... [newegg.com]
Following Microsoft's usual pattern, you can expect RTM to be at least 6 months prior to general availability. So yeah, I think mid July is a likely time period.
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Windows Me Part 2 (Score:4, Insightful)
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Tiles and Apps don't work? (Score:3)
MS Paint (Score:5, Interesting)
I hadn't seen them laid out so clearly before, but now that I have [arstechnica.net], all I can say about the original Windows 10 icons (middle row) is oh my god.
Seriously, what happened here? When did we go completely off the rails and let pea-brained designers start throwing this kind of bullshit around, calling it "modern" and "clean". No shit it's clean -- that recycle bin probably took all of 30 seconds to draw with the Line tool. No, faster probably, since they were just pulled out of the Windows 1.0 archives.
I look at those three rows of icons and truly cannot fathom why someone would ever choose (especially) the second or third rows. They're low contrast, simpleton drivel that doesn't even do a good job of representing the objects they're trying to depict. Whoever created them should be fired, along with the manager that approved them.
In fact, Microsoft would be well-served by firing the whole damned "UX" group and replacing this new-age cargo-cult mentality of user interface design with a scientific approach of usability studies and research. You know, that thing they used to do. Let Google and Apple waste their time with that hipster crap if they want to -- normal people and business just want to get shit done and you don't get off on the right foot to do that by making all your icons indistinguishable pale pastel blobs.
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Seriously, what happened here?
What happened is that Microsoft decided to design icons which would be visible at a variety of resolutions.
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Not exactly. Microsoft's "theme" now is flat UI. A lot of people think that means it just looks clean and simple (like what Google has been doing since...forever,) which is wrong. Flat meaning there's no sense of depth. So no shadows, no overlapping, no gradients, no sense of 3d whatsoever. The only differentiation between UI objects is a solid color change.
Having a flat UI is easy to scale. But IMO it is very uninspired.
GP says it's a hipster design that Google and Apple have been doing. Apple yes, Google no. Apple did copy Microsoft, however that was after Microsoft really badly learned from (but did not copy) Google. Microsoft dropped the skeumorphs Google doesn't use flat UI's. For example, open up chrome, and notice a gradient over the button bar, notice how the tab corners overlap, etc.
Google's new Material Design specifically includes both overlapping objects and shadows. Simple in appearance? Yes. Flat? No. But it still scales to different resolutions just as easily as a flat UI.
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Oops made an editing mistake in that second paragraph. Oh well.
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Yes, exactly. They want the same UI everywhere, from a phone to a 4K display. Which is stupid, but exactly their stated plan.
If it seems uninspired to you well, that was not part of the plan.
Adding shadows and other indicators becomes tricky when scaling, given different potential backgrounds and contexts, so they went to the lowest common denominator. Obviously Google and Microsoft chose different paths, but yes exactly planning for a unified interfac is what caused Microsoft to fuck things up starting with Windows 8 and aalmost anything 2012 or later.
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What you describe is skuemorphic design which objects mimic real world objects which is the old way of doing things.
Look at the candy buttons and leather in the address bar to see why the art professors decided not to go this route anymore.
With flat the design possibilities are endless as you can make the gui in a way you want and the user can focus on content-consumption and work. Not glass and depicting what a tiny pic of something like a skuemorphic button means. Think of Stop signs? They are simple colo
Re:MS Paint (Score:5, Insightful)
art blogs
Uh huh.
Art blogs.
Pretty much do exactly the opposite of anything advocated on art blogs and you're going the right direction.
Google ... started
The latest Android has icons are so abstract they are effectively meaningless. The clock looks like a pie chart; they can't even suffer the hour tick marks that might assist in conveying "clock." The "text" app is a huge left double quote — so out-of-context that it has no association with the concept of "communication." The Google Drive icon is a three color triangle that bears zero resemblance to any sort of storage concept. Basically you must read the label of every icon and slowly try to associate these pictorial abstractions to their actual purpose. In reality users are just memorizing the locations of these meaningless icons, and if you were to rearrange their locations they'd be totally lost.
It sucks. It's stupid. And I'm 100% certain there is a cabal of "art" fucks behind it.
Think of Stop signs
No. Don't think of Stop signs. Stop signs aren't trying to convey an association to anything. You can't buy and eat a box of "stops." Many, many road signs use useful pictographs to convey things; a vehicle skidding due to ice; immigrants hand-in-hand running across a road, the silhouette of a bounding buck.... GUI icons need to convey association; storage, trash, communication, people, news, dates and times, etc.
Trying to boil all these things down to abstract vector art is idiot.
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You can't buy and eat a box of "stops."
Ha ha, loved that.
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Microsoft's Metro interface design predates Google's Holo interface design by several years. Holo was probably greatly inspired by Metro.
With that said I don't think you can blame flat user interfaces on any one particular company. It's just a fad. Microsoft's flat UI looked ugly when Microsoft unleashed it back in the 00's. Give it five more years and it will look ugly again, ugly and dated.
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What you describe is skuemorphic design which objects mimic real world objects which is the old way of doing things.
Yes and no, I think. I don't think icons generally get classified as skeuomorphic since they just represent targets or classes of entities. Another poster mentioned the Android clock icon -- I don't think the Windows 7 date/time icon [imgur.com] was made to resemble another material or object -- it's just a pictogram that clearly presents the idea of a calendar or clock. Compare that to the Android clock icon [imgur.com]. I suppose that sort of looks like a clock if you already knew what it was, but it's certainly not clear. In my view that icon has failed at expressing any clear idea and is therefor a failure. Which one do you think a new user would more quickly identify as the way to bring up a date/time widget?
Compare this to one of Apple's absurd interfaces [imgur.com]. This day calendar program is clearly trying to emulate a physical day calendar, complete with leather stitching and yellow lined legal paper. This is what the current trend has pushed back against, and that's probably not entirely a bad thing. You can take emulation like this too far, and Apple almost certainly did with their suite of apps.
But I don't think the current "UX" trend has as much to do with a severe over-correction to skeuomorphs as it has to do with flat, near monochromatic designs being a lot simpler to scale and make look uniform on a wide variety of screen sizes and pixel densities (as others said). It might be easy but it looks like shit and is about as usable.
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Perhaps normal people and businesses in general just want to get shit done... But it seems like the hipsters always end up running the show. Somehow companies like Microsoft see that as innovation. After all, trying to enforce Metro on 8 was pretty much a hipster move. Not very good for usability or familiarity in my experience. Then masses of people trying to get shit done had to inform the hipsters at Microsoft that this was a really dumb idea. It's different so it must be good!!!!!!!
Honestly I don't car
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Hotdog stand FTW
Make me nostalgic (Score:2)
For the Atari ST.
You're just not hipster enough for it.
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Most, I hate the Sparta icon... it's white, with no contrast border... which makes everything that is assigned to it being the default program, show a white globe on a white background... it's like, "way to go, Microsoft!" followed by a slow clap.
"clean" "modern" design... which will never work decently on all backgrounds... you know... like good logos, and designs...
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The design and usability field in general is going to hell. Once upon a time, people actually sat down, did usability studies, thought about how humans deal with computers, how our eyes, ears, and hands work.
There was strong science behind some of these user interfaces, how the icons were shaped, how things were worded... It wasn't perfect mind you, but people tried.
Today, so called "usability specialists" are generally only interested in how shiny and pretty things look. It sucks.
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Today, so called "usability specialists" are generally only interested in how shiny and pretty things look. It sucks.
Haven't you heard? Shiny is out, flat is in. Shiny is so old school ugly skeuomorphism bro. The new flatness is like, clean and modern. Like some wise old designer dude said, "A design is good once you've taken everything away; it's perfect." So true man, like less is more and stuff!
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Are you trying to make me laugh? Because you're doing a good job of it. Microsoft and Security hasn't gone together in... ever. Windows has more security holes in it than Swiss cheese has holes. It's only been used by the masses because they had a stranglehold on the market because of their PC monopoly.
But things are changing and not for the best in the land of Microsoft. Microsoft is quickly losing relevance in today's post-PC market in which people no longer want PCs, they want a shin
The real reason they skipped Win 9 (Score:5, Funny)
Win ME was awful. Win XP was generally considered serviceable. Vista was a disaster, even had to Microsoft execs complaining about it in public. Win 7 was OK (although no XP). Win 8 is, well, Win 8. The trend was becoming apparent and people expected Win 9 to be acceptable again. So Microsoft decided to skip Win 9 and jump to Win 10 and have a back-to-back disaster with Win 8.
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Vista was a disaster, but Win7 is basically Vista matured.
The reason Vista was a "bad" release had more to do with loopholes being plugged up (API calls that didn't care about missing security data structures suddenly needed them for example) and session separation breaking some apps that relied on multiple processes. The new signed driver architecture also made Vista seem horrible... but the same driver architecture worked fine with Windows 7, because by that time, manufacturers had caught up and were rele
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The vast majority of Vista's issues came from 3 fronts:
1) Shitty hardware that never should have been sold with Vista
2) the videocard drivers (there's stats about how nearly a majority of crashes and instability issues came from early Nvidia drivers)
3) OEMs trying to quickly patch up/upgrade XP machines to Vista, but not doing it properly. For example, Dell would sell boxes with a ton of incompatible software and Vista slapped on top. That was a nightmare. ie: machines sold with versions of Nero that hosed
Win10 is far from ready (Score:2)
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To be fair, all of those VPN softwares are pieces of shit and barely work in a perfect setup.
Yep, riding Win7 until EOL in 2020 (Score:3)
How do I XP it ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Wi-Fi and audio not working? (Score:2)
Sounds like they're damned near ready to release Windows 10.
My Surface Pro 3 (so not random OEM PoS) often needs a reboot because its sensors crapped out when the thing woke up from sleep. Wi-Fi is a semi-stable solution that could use some serious polishing. The keyboard frequently gets a key logically stuck, which isn't fixable without a reboot and precludes any productivity (try doing *anything* with CTRL held down and you'll see what I mean).
In all seriousness, I hope they decide to polish first, releas
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Windows might have a couple of years left but unless they release source code under an open/free license there's no way it will continue to be an option.
The Anonymous Coward also said there was no future for MS Office 365.
LibreOffice for the win.
Linux holds a 1.5% share of the desktop in the Net Applications stats, little changed since the dawn of time.
Win 8/Win 8.1,14%
Desktop Operating System Market Share [netmarketshare.com]
Linux Mint 13 (Maya) MATE desktop demo (Score:3, Informative)
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The correct answer is Linux is a kernel, not a distro. And distros ate getting better, and the desktop environments are getting better.
I counted two obvious bugs in that demo, one that the presenter apparently stumbled on. A single distro does not really refute a generalization, and one with obvious presentation issues definitely does not succeed.
It is progress.
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It's not their fault that I can't play GTA V either, but it's a pretty good reason to stay on Windows. I have used WINE quite a bit back when I tried to run Linux and really half the problem with it is the same as with overclocking, if it's buggy now is it the application or the emulation? And what do you do if there's a bug somewhere in the bowels of WINE that nobody will support? Playing around with it on my desktop where it's my time on the line is fine, I wouldn't rely on it in a business setting.
Same g
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It's not their fault that I can't play GTA V either, but it's a pretty good reason to stay on Windows.
I never said it wasn't, I was merely pointing out that I accurately answered the question that was asked and setting straight what I thought was the root cause of epyT-R not understanding that right out of the gate.
Playing around with it on my desktop where it's my time on the line is fine, I wouldn't rely on it in a business setting.
Me either, and I was not advocating that anyone could. The question posed was "Can I run autocad on [Linux]?" and the answer was "Yes." Nowhere was it specified that it had to run flawlessly (though that's generally what a "gold" rating means) or be suitable for business use, nor was it suggested
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Windows is a legacy platform. People write software for Linux and OSX.
...and then you woke up.
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It's not the fault of the Linux community that Autodesk does not offer a native version.
Well it's a chicken-and-egg problem: Why would Autodesk or Adobe or Dassault or whoever go to the effort of porting to a platform that has no users? And what would they get out of expending all that effort of getting their users switching from Windows to Linux? The desktop Linux community needs to make Linux a compelling alternative so it gets users, it needs to be innovative, a leader rather than a follower. People developed for the iPhone/Android platforms because they were a disruptive market-changer fro
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Well it's a chicken-and-egg problem
Indeed, it is.
Why would Autodesk or Adobe or Dassault or whoever go to the effort of porting to a platform that has no users?
I wouldn't say that desktop Linux has no users. Linux workstations are not uncommon in a multimedia (audio/video) production workflow. In Adobe's case, thousands of users have participated in threads on Adobe's own forums, asking for a Linux version, to which they replied several years ago that they were working on it, soon followed by, more or less "ha ha we lied, now fuck off". It seems that a large and vocal group of your users begging you for it is a damn good reason.
And what would they get out of expending all that effort of getting their users switching from Windows to Linux?
Who says they have to make their users switch? Autodesk, Adobe, and Dassault all develop for Windows and OSX, they didn't pick up one platform and drop the other. If they've got a large number of users asking them to support a platform, they won't have to expend any effort making any one switch; making it possible is a different story as they'd have to actually build and release for that platform, which of course is not trivial. But to insinuate that they'd have to make anyone switch is just silly.
,agree with the rest of your post, though.
I do, more or less
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I wouldn't say that desktop Linux has no users.
Ok well relatively few of their target users use Linux.
In Adobe's case, thousands of users have participated in threads on Adobe's own forums, asking for a Linux version
Well it's a cost-benefit analysis, if there are indeed thousands of users that aren't existing Windows/OSX customers then maybe it is worth it. Seems as though it isn't.
Who says they have to make their users switch?
Nobody, but obviously the reason for this supposed demand is from users wanting to use a Linux version rather than a Windows/OSX version so how does that benefit the vendors?
If they've got a large number of users asking them to support a platform, they won't have to expend any effort making any one switch
Targeting/porting to another platform is a huge expense! What do they get from their existing customers in return
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If they've got a large number of users asking them to support a platform, they won't have to expend any effort making any one switch
Targeting/porting to another platform is a huge expense!
I think you missed the second half of my sentence there, which says exactly that. That's not making the users switch, though.
But to insinuate that they'd have to make anyone switch is just silly.
I didn't
Maybe I misinterpreted, but that's how I read this:
And what would they get out of expending all that effort of getting their users switching from Windows to Linux?
obviously some of their customers will switch from one platform to the other. What do these companies get out of that?
Well, if their customers are looking to switch, it's because they've found some other tool or application on the new platform that they are wanting to use (or are already using) which, likely, means they have one machine for each platform. That means the customer now has an incentive (not needing to own and maintain two machines, or move files between them) to replace the application that does not work on the new platform. What the companies get out of developing for the new platform their users want to run on is some amount of safety against being replaced by users who no longer want to (or can) support multiple systems just to keep using an old vendor's software.
In short, yes, you may have my money already, but will you get my money for the next version?
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I think you missed the second half of my sentence there, which says exactly that. That's not making the users switch, though.
Read it instead as providing the option for users to switch, it is exactly the same amount of effort in porting the application. Or are you saying this is not about existing users and purely about new users?
Well, if their customers are looking to switch it's because they've found some other tool or application on the new platform that they are wanting to use
And this new tool obviously doesn't work on the existing platform, so the question is who feels more threatened? The user is likely to put pressure on both vendors and see who caves first.
In short, yes, you may have my money already, but will you get my money for the next version?
Well the competition is a long way from viable so the question is whether the "new tool or application" on Linux is n
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What's keeping me on OSX is Adobe Creative Cloud; taking a performance hit isn't an option for me as CC simply does not run under WINE. If Photoshop, Fireworks, and Illustrator weren't industry standard applications used by my clients, I'd use al
Re:Linux Mint 13 (Maya) MATE desktop demo (Score:5, Insightful)
They're not going to do that. Their goal is to turn out complete projects ASAP and get paid. Certified acad drafters command high premiums so companies who employ them are willing to spend thousands on workstations. No one is interested in crippling that for politics.
Re:Linux Mint 13 (Maya) MATE desktop demo (Score:4, Insightful)
You do realize that "enough AutoCAD users" just doesn't exist? Most users, especially those who are using the software for their work, don't really give a rats ass if they're using a "FOSS" system. Most of them probably don't even know what that acronym stands for never mind what it means.
Most users only care if the software works, and works with as little effort as possible. End of story. Just like most people don't really pay attention to the cleanliness of your kitchen as long as the food tastes good and doesn't make them sick.
Of course we have government food inspectors to ensure that your kitchen is clean and that your employees wash their hands and whatever. Something similar might be interesting for software development but would be a lot more challenging as there's not really any globally correct best practices like there is with food prep (and of course there's the political aspect of empowering government over business practices, which never goes over well in the US even when its demonstrably beneficial never mind a situation like this where its somewhat questionable.)
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You do realize that "enough AutoCAD users" just doesn't exist? Most users, especially those who are using the software for their work, don't really give a rats ass if they're using a "FOSS" system. Most of them probably don't even know what that acronym stands for never mind what it means.
You do realize that I'm a Mac user and not an FOSS advocate? Using your "anti-advocacy" tone with me is unnecessary and counterproductive. Additionally, I think you meant "enough AutoCAD users who can afford the temporary loss of productivity"; if a sizable percentage started using Linux, Autodesk would have to respond with a Linux version before a competitor did (or, and I know this is unlikely, but it's certainly not impossible, before a FOSS CAD application ate their lunch).
Most users only care if the software works, and works with as little effort as possible.
Which is why I'm a Mac user. F
Re:Linux Mint 13 (Maya) MATE desktop demo (Score:5, Insightful)
By that logic, nothing new should ever be successful.
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How do they do that? Have more users. How do they do that? Have more applications. How do they do that? Have more users. How do they do that? ***ERROR: Infinite loop detected. By that logic, nothing new should ever be successful.
The magic you're looking for is called "investments". I can't run an ad hoc burger shop from my home kitchen and make that a viable business by selling one burger, then two, three and so on. I'd have to find a location, get furniture and equipment, supplies, utility services, permits and staff so I can keep stable business hours and so on. On day one I'm in a net negative and I'll pretty quickly need a big turnaround to cover running costs and make a return on investment. The software business is the except
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How do they do that? Have more users. How do they do that? Have more applications. How do they do that? Have more users. How do they do that? ***ERROR: Infinite loop detected.
By that logic, nothing new should ever be successful.
No you're just not being imaginative enough. You think Apple looked at the tablet market and thought "well we could make a tablet but nobody would make applications for it because it doesn't have any users"? No they created an innovative product that appealed to end users, people started using it and developers started developing for it. People don't have to switch to Linux in one go, if Linux can offer innovation such that people justify buying a Linux system in addition to their existing computer then tha
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Jesus, you'd think I just drew a cartoon of Mohammed or something. I was just answering a simple question, not trying to start a holy way.
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You basically just made the same point I was making. It is the person I was replying to who wasn't being imaginative enough.
Well no, the person you were replying to [slashdot.org] said:
"It might be the Linux community's fault. They have not made the platform an attractive choice for Autodesk."
You introduced this loop of the need to get applications as the way to get users, whereas I think he's right that the development community needs to make it an attractive platform for developers in some way. Maybe that means ease of porting applications or some incentive to grow the userbase despite a lack of major application vendors offering their pro
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Of course, all of this ignores that the reality of this thread is that I answered "yes" to "can I run AutoCAD on Linux?" That is a factual answer and I never insinuated that it was a good idea.
Ok but surely you can see that is a pretty disingenuous answer can't you? I'll grant you the question is probably too open-ended but look at the link you posted, the most recent version it says runs is 3 years old and the most recent version it says runs better than "garbage" is from 7 years ago.
Based on that data no reasonable person is going respond with an unequivocal "yes" to that question, given there are some serious caveats and limitations.
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Why bother then? Easier to just use what came with computer which is Windows.
Mate is a fork for the now obsolete gnome 2 4 years ago. I left linux 4 years ago because of nonsense like 5 his realizing gnome 3 made it game over.
Why would someone want to be free of Microsoft? It just works and is stable now. It ain't 1998 anymore where you could make a case since Windows now has an NT kernel
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Mate is a fork for the now obsolete gnome 2 4 years ago.
Your definition of obsolete seems to ignore the part where it still works better on older hardware than Gnome 3 / Unity / etc... Not everyone needs or wants a high-end graphics card, most of which require a noisy little fan that when it fails makes your video card go "pop".
Also, newer isn't always better.
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I was answering the question that was asked (and not advocating for anything at all). Yes you can infer that I was advocating for some (maybe even most!) people to use WINE but what is the point in reading so much into a simple, one word answer when you could just use logic and know that I was only answering what was asked?
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I often run into this.
If you answer a simple question with a simple, factual answer, and someone complains that the answer isn't to their satisfaction (barring factual errors), it indicates that that person has an axe to grind. These people are clueless shits and/or trolls. Either way, it's a waste of time talking to them.
Plus, many people seem unable tell a statement of fact from one of opinion. Over the years, I've informally asked people if they ever had to do an exercise in school asking them to disting
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These people are clueless shits and/or trolls. Either way, it's a waste of time talking to them.
I'll agree that it's pointless to talk to the clueless, but the trolls can be damned entertaining at times. At any rate, the question was rhetorical; I actually quite enjoy baiting the trolls and leading them on until they tire themselves out. I actually find it quite relaxing (especially when they insist that I must be getting all worked up over things).
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Notice how all of the versions of AutoCAD listed there are ancient versions?
I'm not an AutoCAD user and have no clue what the current version is so, no, I did not notice that.
Sorry, try again
No need, the question didn't state a version, it just asked whether or not AutoCAD could run on Linux. The answer I gave was accurate.
Then afterwards, let me know if Wine can run the latest versions of Illustrator, ACDSee, Premiere, Vegas Pro, Avid Media Composer, Pro Tools, FL Studio, 3ds Max, LightWave 3D, Visual Studio, Crysis 3 and Elite: Dangerous.
Wow, it's like you think I'm advocating for Linux here. I'm really not, I was just answering a simple "yes or no" question. I answered it with a simple (and accurate) "yes". Read the rest of the thread and you'll see that I mention Adobe's tools (two of which are in your list) s
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Obviously not. Running stuff through wine is fine for casual use, but it is not good enough for performance sensitive software like autocad. I am sure that's why anon listed it.
Re:Linux Mint 13 (Maya) MATE desktop demo (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, I think autocad was used as an example and not as a complete list. The point being that most people expect to be able to run whatever software they need on their machines. Since most of their time is spent interfacing with proprietary software stacks at work/school and for hobby/entertainment use, linux is of limited utility. Sure, linux is fine for web browsing, but so is everything else. There's actually quite a bit of useful software out there in OSS land, but the unfortunate reality is that software is not usually the industry standard. It's certainly possible to use linux as a desktop for personal use and be productive, in fact, much more possible than it was a few years ago, but it does not replace systems that do run industry standard software like autocad/adobe/etc. Most users don't care what os they run, they just want access to the software they need to run.
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Most people just want to read their mail, browse the internet and write and send CVs, and for that Linux is perfect.
If that's actually all you want to do then it doesn't matter what operating system you use so people will just use the incumbent, any system is perfect for that, even a tablet with a bluetooth keyboard is perfect for that.
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"Two items are occasionally highlighted at once."
So? I still see that AND I see shit like two icons being blended together moving between windows on Windows.
Glitches happen on EVERY OS, professional or not.
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Oh please coming from a long time linux and freebsd user.
The costs to fly consultants to fix broken IE specific sites like SAP, java applets that look for XP and crap out on other platforms, wine bugs, lack of AD support for lockdowns, and help desk Temps to sort through the angry users, documents created with Libre office looking funny to potential clients with Office, are pure madness to consider! Don't give me the garbage about how users were supposed to save as .docx with no macros. Many are drooling idiots who will want to reprimand your ass for ca using this etc. Wine config? Yeah good luck with a 1,000 users including HR who have a weird java applet where people don't get paid if an error arises ;-)
I am not saying this as a troll. Linux has it's uses for specialized servers.
But if people wanted to be freed they would have last decade. Windows is reliable now since NT came and gets shit done
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Windows is reliable now since NT came and gets shit done
Other than the fact that the system contains legacy code that's chock full of security bugs dating back to the early 1990s. Supporting legacy software is why Microsoft can't change and in the end, it's going to kill them. Other companies that are smaller and more agile will kill Microsoft.
Microsoft sees the writing on the wall, they know that the end is near. You can see that in how they are making apps for the iPhone and Android devices. Things like Office, OneNote, Skype, Outlook, OneDrive, etc. They aren’t making these apps for other platforms just for the sake of making them available, they are making them available because they need to or they’re dead.
The computing industry that we have today is not a Microsoft dominated industry anymore and Microsoft knows it. They sat on their desktop monopoly for too long and the rest of the industry flew past them while they were sleeping.
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The computing industry that we have today is not a Microsoft dominated industry anymore and Microsoft knows it. They sat on their desktop monopoly for too long and the rest of the industry flew past them while they were sleeping.
They were not exactly sleeping. They saw the emergence of tablets & phones, and Windows 8 was their attempt at it. It would have been fine, had they not insisted on also forcing it on laptops and thereby forcing laptops to become touch-screen devices. By doing that, they were forced to totally revisit that w/ Windows 10. Had Microsoft left Windows 7 alone, maybe replacing only the kernel, and instead, released Windows 8 just for tablets & Windows Phone 8 just for Phones, they'd probably have had
Windows legacy 'baggage'? (Score:4, Insightful)
But one can argue that Microsoft does not fully support legacy software. For instance, I have an Adobe Acrobat 6.x that I had bought. It worked fine under XP, but never even installed under Windows 7. The argument is that one has to upgrade to Acrobat 7 or later, but why would one pay new cash for a software that they've already bought, and which works? Just b'cos the new version of the OS no longer can support it?
Those arguments aside, if Microsoft doesn't support all past software, why is it throwing the kitchen sink at legacy support? In Windows 7, they already had the right idea - Virtual PC and XP Mode. Just extend that here in Windows 10. I never saw the reason for Windows 10 to have a 32 bit version at all. There are a lot of old computers that just won't go to Windows 10 - maybe because their motherboards can't have more than 512MB of memory, maybe because their outdated peripherals manufacturers only maintain but no longer support them, etc. So Microsoft could have made Windows 10 a 64-bit only OS, and then installed on it Virtual PC, w/ free VMs for 8, 7, Vista, XP, 2000, ME, NT 4.0 and 3.5. That way, people w/ legacy needs can be supported in software, while the main OS itself would allow MS to innovate more. And somewhere down the road, they could even include a Windows 10 VM in the package.
Speaking about 32-bit Windows 10, my Winbook has 2GB of RAM and 32GB of flash storage (C:\), and doesn't come in a configuration w/ 64GB. Having a 64-bit only version would have made them support a 64-bit OS, and at the same time, avoid having any upgrade/support issues. Put the minimum requirement at 4GB of RAM, and make the basic OS recognize up to 64TB, so that manufacturers don't put stupid low limits like 32GB. That way, there would also be no question of the OS being able to upgrade from 8.x to 10. I've seen some Winbooks w/ 1GB of RAM and 16GB of storage: those will NOT be upgradable to 10. So why have them, particularly when 8 sucks?
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The only reason that the 32 bit version exists is so that people have an upgrade path for their existing XP/Vista/7/8 32 bit installation. You can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit, it has to be a re-install.
I wish they had decided to just ditch x86 as well, but at least all new machines are shipping with x64 now.
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Windows 8 and by extension Windows 10 is a last ditch effort for Microsoft to hold onto some semblance of relevance in today's post-PC world. Unfortunately for Microsoft, Windows 8 was a flop and by extension Windows 10 will be a flop because nobody w
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More and more people are choosing to dump the traditional desktop and go with mobile devices such as tablets and smartphones.
And most people don't care if they can get the source to what runs on it. You can't get all the source code to iOS either, so my point still stands. I care, but most people don't care, so it's still a dumb thing to say (AC comment above.)
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8% came from entertainment/devices so home
70% from servers and offerings only available to businesses or similar.
20% from windows and windows live so both home and business.
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