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Microsoft Officially Releases Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 4.6 132

rjmarvin writes: Microsoft has announced RTM of Visual Studio 2015, the latest version of its flagship IDE, along with the release of .NET 4.6. The release includes a new set of DevOps services featuring the Build vNext cross-platform build service, the IntelliTest automated unit testing tool, and a Dev/Test service delivered both via the cloud in Visual Studio Online and on-premises through Team Foundation Server. Soma Somasegar, corporate vice president of the developer division at Microsoft, highlighted three main themes Microsoft focused on with VS 2015 in an interview with SD Times: developer productivity, "a holistic set of DevOps services" and giving developers choices when it comes to tooling toward the goal of building Universal Windows Apps for Windows 10. VS 2015 and .NET 4.6 are available here.
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Microsoft Officially Releases Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 4.6

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  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @02:37PM (#50147537)
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    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The good news is you can totally continue coding your l33t scripts in Notepad, just like before, and leave the professional tools to the grownups.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Well...
      with you on the phone
      the tablet is successful and well reviewed (I'm typing from one now and love it).
      xbone makes money but I agree it hasn't been as successful as 360
      they reduced prices on visual studio.

      • by Keruo ( 771880 )

        they reduced prices on visual studio.

        Actually, they raised the price.
        Professional retail without MSDN is now gone, so say goodbye to the $299 non-msdn upgrade version. This was the most used edition for companies needing software development tools but not being software-only houses.

        Express edition? Gone. The community edition gives some leeway, but most of those companies won't be able to use it since they have turnover beyond $1mil. Meaning, no more free development for .NET 4.6 with visual studio .

        • by Dr_Barnowl ( 709838 ) on Tuesday July 21, 2015 @03:26AM (#50150815)

          > no more free development for .NET 4.6 with visual studio

          Community supports the vast majority of useful features... and really, what's the problem with it costing money if you want more than 5 developers or have a $1M+ turnover company? You're still allowed Community if you're using it for classroom learning, academic research, or open-source development.

          If you're working for a company that presumably makes money from writing software (in one way or another) is it really so bad to give some of that money to a company that helped you do that with their product? If you hire a developer, their salary is far more than the $1,119 it will cost you for VS Pro with MSDN ; do you really want to waste their time by making them write their code with a text editor and build it with just the .NET SDK tools?

          I usually prefer SharpDevelop for my .NET dev but I've not done any in a long time - I'd be inclined to give Visual Studio a go, even if I've found it's prior iterations to be far too handholding and patriarchal.

        • by skegg ( 666571 )

          Professional retail without MSDN is now gone

          Wrong. Read bullet-point "5" at the bottom of this page:

          https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-editions.aspx [visualstudio.com]

        • Meaning, no more free development for .NET 4.6 with visual studio.

          But that's rubbish, it's only "no more free development" if you are a company turning over more than $1 million dollars a year (assuming you're also not using it for academic research/teaching or OSS).

      • by Xest ( 935314 )

        "xbone makes money but I agree it hasn't been as successful as 360"

        Depends what you mean by not as successful, certainly they've sold more X1's than they had X360s at the same point in their lifecycles.

        The problem is more that the PS4 is doing even better again.

        So the X1 is doing better than the 360 did when comparing unit sales, but worse than the 360 did when compared to it's competition.

  • now, if they just know what they want to do with UniversalApps .. Will be, err, actually smartphones with Windows ? Which ones ? I want to buy, by Christmas, a Windows phone .. maybe a flagship like Lumia 940, let's say.. But is MS able to manufacture & launch such things ? A lot of strange things happen in their court.. PS I really like the MS band, I would buy one, if available
    • My roommate works for a Sprint store. They have exactly one model of Windows phone, which they keep in back and no one ever asks for. Go figure.
      • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

        There is a way they can increase adoption of the windows phone.

        1 year of free service on your contract if you will take a windows phone.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      You don't buy a Windows Phone on purpose, your clueless MS-enthralled manager sticks you with one, and you move on to something usable ASAP.
      • by KlomDark ( 6370 )

        Hmmm, I threw down $400 on a Nokia 830 (Windows 8.1) several months ago and don't regret my purchase. You can stick to your iPhone you stupid weenie.

    • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

      Windows 10 Mobile edition will be released later this year. Universal apps will run on any device that is running any flavor of Windows 10.

  • Yet another set of .NET patches that probably won't install automatically and require manual installation. Something to look forward to next Patch Tuesday. Meh...
    • Actually the strategy is go get rid of "patch Tuesday" [gizmodo.com] Now your systems will get hosed like uhm, whenever.

      • That's Windows 10 for the home user. Corporate I.T. department are still using Windows 7 and patches aren't released until two weeks after Patch Tuesday. Hosing the system whenever is not an acceptable solution.
        • Companies won't adopt 10 in large groups for quite awhile. That coupled with zero day vuln's which are bound to happen, it'll be patch Tuesday every day! Don't forget a brand new browser too.. After all today MS15-078 [microsoft.com] another zero day, critical was released out of band. Let chaos reign.

          • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

            Companies won't adopt 10 in large groups for quite awhile. That coupled with zero day vuln's which are bound to happen, it'll be patch Tuesday every day! Don't forget a brand new browser too.. After all today MS15-078 another zero day, critical was released out of band. Let chaos reign.

            Corporate PCs don't use Patch Tuesday. They get all the patches and the PCs update themselves from WSUS or other software update mechanism.

            Only home PCs update themselves willy-nilly. Corporate PCs have had the ability to sch

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Another version of .NET means update times get increased again. Christ all fucking mighty, Windows has become a dog.

  • Ages ago Microsoft and HP released a pocket PC, 8 inch screen, black and white, alpha numeric display 16 lines by 60 characters, no graphics, MS-Office built in. I think it was called the Windows CE. It crammed the full desktop (ok ok desktop of win98) UI in to that pathetic little machine. Was a fiasco, it could not do anything well.

    In Windows 8 it slapped a six inch phone UI based on touch on a full fledged 28 inch desktop/laptop screen. Again a fiasco.

    It used to talk about "multi-platform support", w

    • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

      Now it talks about Universal Apps. But it is only Universal "Windows" Apps.

      Actually they are called Universal Windows Platform apps. Everybody abbreviates it to universal apps, but at no time has Microsoft pretended to support any non-Windows OS.

      The "universal" part is describing device categories. UWP apps will run on any Windows 10 device, including Raspberry Pi and other IoT devices, phones, tablets, business desktops, gaming PCs, Xbox One, Surface Hub, and HoloLens.

      (They actually are supporting Linux and Mac with the newest ASP.NET, and even open sourced .NET Core which also

      • IoT on a Windons device? That's absurd. Well, maybe not, the IoT term is being used for all sorts of gibberish. Raspberry Pi itself is almost a bit too big for me to call it IoT even if it is a thing and networked. An IoT device is not supposed to be an interactive consumer gadget.

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        UWP apps will run on any Windows 10 device, including [...] Xbox One

        Will UWP developer licenses become available without charge for Xbox One the way they are for Windows [microsoft.com]?

        • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

          I don't think they've said, but a few articles have suggested there will be one unified store. That could indicate there will only be one developer license.

    • The story here is that most people just read the 3 words on a box and assume they understand. If a company goes out of their way to hide the truth then shame on them, but if you as a consumer don't take 5 minutes to go online and figure out if a product is fitting or delivering on the merchandise then shame on you.

      Personally, I'm far more concerned with my tax dollars being messed with (And there's a whole lot of that going on) because I can't control that. My purchasing decisions are still in my control as

  • by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @03:08PM (#50147793) Journal

    I am surprised no one has mentioned clang or Android support. If you install mobile it will even install Chrome. No you did not misread that folks

    • by Anonymous Coward

      This is the first VS I have been actually excited about since about 2002. For those very reasons. The release management stuff looks interesting. Could be interesting to see how it compares to things such as puppet. That and the free plugin for python/pypy with good popups.

      No one also mentioned pro is basically what they give away now either.

      Everyone seems to want to talk about something else these days I guess.

      This is a full featured IDE (one of the better ones out there) and they are giving it away fo

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Does it run on my Linux desktop?

    • by Creepy ( 93888 )

      Chrome offers easy android emulated device support. Press F12, choose emulation tab, and pick a device or set your own resolutions. This is likely why it is included. In fact, the project I'm working on now is exactly how we're testing our builds at the moment. Mixing in a bit of actual device testing, but until I get some new hardware that is limited.

  • by ndykman ( 659315 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @03:41PM (#50148041)

    To be honest, I'd couldn't have seen even half of the stuff that they shipped every being there when Visual Studio 2013 came out. An Android emulator? Okay. Upcoming Objective-C support? Hum.

    It's a big bet that there is enough demand for better cross-platform code sharing for people to start using the Xamarin environment, and it's even a bigger bet that mobile developers will want to bring iOS and Android applications onto Windows.

    There is some method to the madness. The Windows Runtime (the engine underneath Universal Apps) and the Core CLR have some compelling technologies that may have appeal outside the Windows ecosystem.

    The Windows Runtime is interesting. It is almost completely oriented around asynchronous APIs. Any operation that will (or can) take more than about 50-100 milliseconds will need to have an asynchronous form. Now, the trick is that async/await in C#, promises in JavaScript and Futures in C++ makes consuming that API tolerable (in C#, it's really not hard at all). It is oriented completely around try to make sure that applications can't block and become unresponsive. In short, if you make it harder to do the wrong thing, it will happen less often.

    But, the first form was oriented only towards Modern (metro) applications, and we all know how that turned out. The Universal Apps is doubling down on the underlying runtime and support and seeing if they can get better adoption. Hard to say, but it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

    The other interesting front is Android; there's a bunch of libraries that provide alternatives to core Google APIs. I'm fine with that; alternatives are always good. And the Android subsystem in Windows 10, that's interesting.

    Anyway, it may bring some hard-core Visual Studio shops into the mobile space, because you can still say "it's all VS". Lastly, it was a price drop. Ultimate doesn't exist anymore, and it's replacement is half the price. Even Premium was more expensive. I half expect more price drops and incentives to drive more people into the ecosystem.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      That async/await thing is one of those things that changes how you code. I've been fighting with threads and sync object for two decades in c++, and just love how easy it is now.

      • by mcl630 ( 1839996 )

        Agreed. Once you understand how to use async/await, you realize how much easier it is than the old ways.

  • C++11 (Score:1, Insightful)

    by loufoque ( 1400831 )

    Visual Studio is now advertising partial but significant C++11 support, and they claim only 3 minor features of C++03 are missing.
    Of course, this is quite far from the truth, as it is riddled with bugs and nothing really works, but at least they're trying.

    • If we look at the table from late last year [msdn.com], C++11 support seems quite well-rounded. If there's a bug, file a report [microsoft.com].
      • It's partial but significant, just as I said.
        I already report bugs to them regularly, but there is only so much they can do: MSVC is built on completely inadequate technology after all. I tend to contact the developers directly, going through Microsoft Connect doesn't work very well.

  • Is it 64-bit yet? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dixie_Flatline ( 5077 ) <vincent@jan@goh.gmail@com> on Monday July 20, 2015 @05:11PM (#50148675) Homepage

    I didn't see anything useful on their page--have they made the bloody application 64-bit yet? We've had tonnes of problems with it crashing with extensions like Visual Assist and a couple custom plugins. The whole environment runs out of memory and brings everything attached down with it. It's pretty ridiculous.

  • Windows updates you can time with a calender.

  • by shutdown -p now ( 807394 ) on Monday July 20, 2015 @09:18PM (#50149793) Journal

    While we're at it, Python Tools for Visual Studio 2.2 [github.com] has also been released at the same time. In addition to VS 2015 support, this is mainly a bugfix and do-small-features-that-never-make-the-bar release. If you're a Python developer on Windows, please give it a try, especially if you've never heard about it before. Feel free to tell me that we suck so long as you also file a bug in the tracker. ~

    (Full disclosure: I am a developer on the PTVS team.)

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