Bloomberg Predicts EVs Cheaper than IC Engine Cars Within 10 Years (computerworld.com) 266
Lucas123 writes: With the price of lithium-ion batteries continuing to plummet, already dropping 65% since 2010, electric vehicles will become cheaper to own by the mid-2020s, according to a new report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance. The report also forecasts that sales of EVs will hit 41 million by 2040, up from 462,000 in 2015. By 2040, EVs will make up 35% of new light-duty vehicle sales, even if the price of crude oil goes back up from $33 today to $70 in the future. The adoption of EVs will displace about 13 million barrels of oil per day by 2040, when the clean-energy cars represent about one-quarter of cars on the road.
Peak battery (Score:3, Insightful)
So instead of eating into the world's supply of hydrocarbons we're eating into the world's supply of Lithium and a couple of other elements that there isn't all that much of once you start producing 10s of millions of cars. Great progress.
Of course there are ways of getting these metals in plentiful supply from seawater, asteroids and other sources but as with super-efficient solar panels, they're always 10 years away.
Re:Peak battery (Score:5, Interesting)
Ummm the Lithium is recycled. It comes down to the economics between cost of cycling compared to cost of getting it out of the ground.
Tesla seem adamant that recycling will end up cheaper source of lithium than mining will.
Also Lithium isn't the cost inhibitor and never has been. Lithium has gotten way more expensive in recent years, while lithium batteries have dropped massively in price. The lithium itself is a very minor part of the cost.
There are only 10kg of lithium in a big car battery, there are 22 million kg's of known lithium reserves. I doupt there will be a problem with lithium shortage for a long time.
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Above number, 22 million kg's of known lithium reserves is off.
According to the USGS, there are 13 million tonnes of known lithium reserves.
Note a tonne is a thousand kg, so...
Re:Peak battery (Score:5, Funny)
So you'll limit the car pool to 2 millions car ?
No. GP is mistaken. There are not 22 million kg, there are ~22 million metric tons, or a thousand times as much. So the limit would be 2 billion cars. But there is an additional 230 billion metric tons of lithium in the ocean, enough for 20 trillion cars.
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The amount of lithium available isn't the problem at all - it's more like the will to use it.
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Third most common element in the universe ?
No. Not even close. Oxygen is the 3rd most common element in the universe. Lithium is not even in the top twenty.
Citation: Abundance of elements [wikipedia.org]
Re:Peak battery (Score:4, Informative)
Huh, never realised Li was so rare. That "not made directly by stars" line in the wiki entry seems a bit suspect, though. Strains belief that at no point in the core of a star, a He ever captures a neutron or proton or deuteron.
The problem is that lithium is both rarely produced, and rapidly consumed. Lithium can absorb neutrons, and can also absorb protons (Li7 + H = 2He4). Lithium reacts so easily that it is used as a major component in thermonuclear weapons. When a star forms, Lithium is one of the first elements consumed and depleted from the core. Citation: Lithium burning [wikipedia.org].
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"EV batteries last a couple of thousand cycles at the most. Which might be 5 or 10 years worth of driving. After that they are recycled into stainless steel pans and other items that aren't batteries."
Actually, EV batteries that are replaced still have about 70% capacity and move onto productive lives as solar storage batteries which doesn't need anything like the capacity a car does. For example, Tesla sells their powerwall which has a capacity of 7kWh but a typical spent car battery is still going to have
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That's going to take a while:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salar_de_Uyuni
Re:Peak battery (Score:5, Interesting)
Maths fail.
The Panasonic cells used in Tesla batteries are rated for 3000 cycles (80% capacity remaining). A full charge gives you 300 miles range. 3000x300 = 900,000 miles, or about 3x what a modern petrol engine can do before it needs replacing.
Tesla have actually tested up to 750,000 miles with 86% capacity remaining, as you would expect based on the maths. Similarly, taxi companies running Nissan Leafs at 150,000 miles are seeing >90% capacity remaining, as expected.
Chances are that most EV batteries will outlast the car by a long way, and find use as home backup/solar smoothing packs or replacements in other vehicles. Eventually they will be recycled, because they are very recyclable.
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3000x300 = 900,000 miles, or about 3x what a modern petrol engine can do before it needs replacing.
A modern petrol engine will do a million miles, but only if you actually properly maintain it throughout its lifecycle. It will require a lot more maintenance than an electric, obviously. Most people don't even change their oil frequently enough, let alone their coolant. Doing both is critical to engine longevity. You also have to stay on top of chain guides, pulleys, tensioners and what have you. People mostly don't.
What the ever-living fuck is this more-than-one-minute posting delay about? I can never fig
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The lithium battery, and the car's electric motor for that matter, require zero maintenance or parts replacement for that lifetime. The money you'll spend on oil, belts, coolant, timing belt, gaskets, plugs,.... etc to achieve that mythical million-mile "life" is the reason that EVs are much cheaper over their lifecycle, aka TCO.
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You can keep anything going forever with enough maintenance. I agree, the delay is insufferable.
Scary Lithium-Ion batteries! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Scary Lithium-Ion batteries! (Score:4, Insightful)
The energy storage they talk about with these batteries is not what you think. The batteries are expected to have 80% of their capacity remaining, and they are typically placed in shipping containers and hooked up to large industrial or commercial buildings. There is NO company planning to recycle batteries into consumer homes. Your information is very faulty.
Already cheaper, if you like fast cars. . . (Score:5, Interesting)
If your commute involves stop lights and changing lanes, it is super fun to drive and a bargain. The general public still seems oblivious to its acceleration, which adds to the fun when you quietly blow past them when they try to cut you off in a "funny looking car" (while their ICE wails in futile protest. .
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... Leaf ... that can blow away ...
i see what you did there lol
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One thing you're missing: For any of those cars to make those 0-30 times as posted they will be making rather aggressive "why yes, Mr. Cop, I'm flooring it!" acceleration sounds. One must be a little judicious in deciding when and where to do those jackrabbit starts. With an EV you can accelerate like that every single time and Officer Friendly won't even bat an eyebrow (unless you're on wet or poor-traction surface and squeak your tires a bit during takeoff).
It's nice being able to use all the torque e
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One thing you're missing: For any of those cars to make those 0-30 times as posted they will be making rather aggressive "why yes, Mr. Cop, I'm flooring it!" acceleration sounds.
Not only does the cop not care, but there are some notable exceptions on that list. The WRX won't make much noise at all. Nor will the GTI. Nor will my 1997 Audi A8 Quattro which is rated to make 0-60 in 6.7... but motorweek did it in 6.4.
Hilariously, the 2000 Chevy Astro does 0-60 in 9 seconds, which is almost Leaf-speed. But my $3000 A8 will shit all over it. (A $5000 A8 would do it with less rattling)
Bloomberg predicts (Score:2)
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I predict that in ten years half the cars on the road today will still be on the road. I recall reading that the half life of a typical automobile is ten years or so, maybe as low as eight. So, even if the only factor in buying an electric car for the public was price we'd still be a long way from moving our national vehicle fleet off of fossil fuels.
I predict that in ten years the price of gasoline will be within 10% of what it costs now, not in dollars but in hours per day that the average working perso
Show me the road-,maps (Score:2)
We can only squeeze so much from a battery (Score:2)
The gains we've made in battery technology have been to improve on the cost, size, and weight of pretty much the same chemical reactions. At some point this technology will hit some very real limitations on improvements that can be made to battery technology. I wonder if we have not met those limitations already.
Like many technologies humans have made and improved upon over time the limits of physics start to come into play. At that point any gains start to come at a cost somewhere else. We might be ab
More corporate welfare? (Score:2)
"In the next few years, the total-cost-of-ownership advantage will continue to lie with conventional cars, and we therefore do not expect EVs to exceed 5% of light-duty vehicle sales in most markets -- except where subsidies make up the difference," Morsy said. "However, that cost comparison is set to change radically in the 2020s."
Subsidizing the dinosaur burning car industry is "corporate welfare" but subsidizing EV ownership is... what exactly?
I had my liberal friends tell me that the big automakers in the USA had to be bailed out years ago because those companies were "too big to fail". Now we have to subsidize EVs to compete with these companies. I say we would have had a lot more EVs on the market if we allowed the dinosaur burners to go out of business so that the EV makers could have bought up the factories at fire sale pric
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Giving someone other than an incumbent a chance. Not doing it results in things like Ford and GM sitting around until the Japanese and Europeans showed the consequences of having nothing but complacent incumbents run by trust fund babies.
The question is do we try to have a local industry or do we just wait until China owns the market and sells EVs to us.
IC Engine (Score:2)
I think it's doable actually, wrap the "rails" from a maglev train around the inside of the wheels. Use SCRs to electronically control the electro-magnetic field for propulsion... and there you go, and integrated circuit engine with no moving parts except the wheels.
Re: IC Engine (Score:2)
The usual abbreviation for Internal Combustion Engine is ICE.
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Won't Electron Volt cars still have Integrated Circuits ?
Faster Transition (Score:2)
Come see me when the tech is REALLY ready (Score:2)
Come see me when I get the same range as a gas-powered car, I can charge it relatively quickly (15 mins, tops), the number of publicly available charging stations is within a reasonable parity with gas stations, and desert heat won't destroy the life of the storage medium.
Until then, it'll take a hell of a lot more than price parity to get me in an EV... Like a Tesla Roadster fo
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Why would you need to have both the same range as a gas-powered car *and* fast recharge times? An electric car does something a gas-powered car doesn't: home charging. Do you routinely and frequently drive 500 miles, refill, and drive a further several hundred miles? What other circumstances require both long range and swift recharge when the car can be charged overnight and have its full range available in the morning? (Similar question applies to charging stations)
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I have to admit that I've warmed to the idea of an electric car, but it's not really ready for prime time (i.e. the 99%) yet.
Neither are cars. That's why we have vans, lorries and motorbikes.
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The car companies will switch to renting the batteries, like Renault for example does it with the Twizy car.
Somebody crashed my Smart car (2. car in the family) and I wanted to buy a Twizy, but 50€ a month is too much, with my Smart I put gas for 25€ in it and I drive for 5-6 weeks, so this would cost me more than double the amount. So I bought another Smart.
I wait for the day that they claim that building your own battery will violate their 'copyright'.
This seems to get more common, I just read a
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The problem there is shit motor controllers, not the battery chemistry.
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I'm not all that big a fan of EVs, but I feel compelled to mention that gasoline and diesel powered cars have been known to catch on fire as well.
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Why not? Winters can be a bit nippy up here in Vermont and the prospect of freezing my derierre off for hours while I nurse the battery (which produces no waste heat and doesn't work so well in really cold weather anyway) on my occasional visits to civilization doesn't appeal. Might consider a hybrid when and if my 17 year old Camry dies.
Re: Li-On batteries (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm just glad a petrol powered car has never caught fire before.
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To be fair, it's possible to put out a petrol fire. A lithium battery fire on the other hand, there's pretty much fuck all you can do about it.
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Have you ever tried to put out a carbequeue?
I don't think you've even seen a car on fire to think you can put it out - fire departments don't even try. If there is somebody inside the car, they'll work at getting them out, but they generally just keep people back and wait for the fire to go out.
Re: Li-On batteries (Score:4, Informative)
They absolutely do try to put petrol car fires out, because they melt the tarmac underneath, and end up needing the road to be resurfaced if they don't get put out. They're relatively easy to put out - just need to throw foam at it.
Meanwhile, with lithium:
1) The fire burns hotter (around 600C rather than 450-500ish for petrol)
2) There's basically nothing you *can* put on it to put it out. Water will react with it, nitrogen will react with it, CO2 won't smother it, foam will react with it, dry powder can't smother it. About the only way you can put out a lithium fire is to bury it in sand, and that requires several dump trucks to somehow get near a 600C fire, and even then, you get a big blob of glass to clear up off a highway.
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Wrong. Class D extinguishers are meant specifically for metal fires like thermite.
Re: Li-On batteries (Score:4, Interesting)
Class D fire extinguishers are holy shit toxic and very expensive.
So are standard hydrocarbon extinguishing foams. The ones that work anyway. The synthetic shit can't handle any level of alcohol including the 10% ethanol in your fuel tank.
Re: Li-On batteries (Score:4, Interesting)
They're relatively easy to put out - just need to throw foam at it.
I see you've never put out a car fire before. The wonderful thing about car fires is that a car is a very three dimensional object. Foam's use case is to smother a fire and prevent oxygen which makes a car pretty much the worst case scenario for a foam extinguisher. Also given the length of time and amount of foam a typical extinguisher can expel you're left with only one choice in a fully engulfed car fire scenario: Call the fire brigade and have them bring foam injecting branches and them cover the car in a metric shitton of foam. Real bonus points if the mag wheels catch fire in the process.
The idea that a lithium battery with it's VERY limited amount of fuel is harder to put out than the petrol car fire is absurd. Lithium actually has the nice benefit that by the time the fire department shows up they can just put water on it. It burns very bloody quickly and while a litre of fuel in a softdrink bottle can burn for a good hour a lithium battery pack the same size will vapourise itself within a minute or two.
Oh and lithium can be put out with Class-D, but it has the same problem in a car as foam does. It doesn't work very well on 3D surfaces, and doesn't provide any cooling so fires will re-ignite themselves after you put them out when they come in contact with air again.
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Also, what will television shows do with electric vehicles? They can't very well have them go up in a fireball like gasoline ones. Maybe an electrical storm?
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Also, what will television shows do with electric vehicles? They can't very well have them go up in a fireball like gasoline ones. Maybe an electrical storm?
Rather like the control panels on the U.S.S. Enterprise, etc.
Despite the fact that primitive 20th Century control circuitry generally operates off low power levels, leaving the heavy lifting (sparky) stuff down in the Engine Room.
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> Also, what will television shows do with electric vehicles?
I imagine that for the first three or four decades of general EV use, "Hollywood" will do exactly what it does with conventional vehicles. Load the vehicle up with pyrotechnics and touch them off at the dramatically appropriate moment. Eventually, they may work out something else, maybe even something more realistic. But we're talking entertainment here, not reality.
Re:Li-On batteries (Score:5, Funny)
Lot's of Li-powered cars already have. I don't understand why you Republicans hide the truth about how dangerous they are. Your kind puts profit ahead of people.
Okay, as a Republican, I'm sort of torn on this. Yes, I want the environment to be destroyed and for the world to choke in smog, but I also want to lovingly protect our billionaire businessmen and cartels who are producing these ultra-dangerous battery powered cars that may catch on fire. (nice!) The probably is that these things might inadvertently save the environment. (noooooooo!)
Maybe we can figure out a way for these electric cars to burn oil in some secondary capacity... Then they'd be perfect!
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Don't be upset. It's absolutely essential to burn petrochemicals. It is a well-known fact that only petrochemicals create jobs.
And we wouldn't want to interfere with job creation, would we? Where would American business be if it couldn't export jobs to China and India?
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The Saudis have won.
The attempt at energy independence via shale etc failing due to the Saudis dumping oil has resulted in a lot of people getting driven out of business and a lot of jobs lost because they cannot compete against a cartel that has already paid for a lot of infrastructure and could afford to drive the oil price down to rock bottom for a while. It's a kingdom showing that an e
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The attempt at energy independence ... jobs lost because they cannot compete ... can tell capitalism to fuck off and die ...
I think you're confusing some goals. Energy independence isn't very capitalistic. The market pricing out a subset of competitors IS very capitalistic.
That doesn't mean I think any of that is "right", but that's a different matter. We, the people, have allowed this to happen.
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The Saudis won today sure but oil is a long term thing and the price of it ever creeps up above $50 a barrel means that those shale reserves can be reopened. Saudi doomed itself to long term failure its oil reserves won't last another 30 years as long as Saudi is the dominant producer. Once those reserves run dry they have nothing else to fall back on. Where as the USA us lots of things to fall back on and once the price goes up we have reserves.
Same goes for all sorts of rare earth metals. We use things
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Saudi Arabia thus has complete control about the oil price because they can sell at prices that would bankrupt everyone else and still make a profit. And Saudi Arabia waited long enough
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We are. But then there are alternatives - there is oil and there is "oil".
The "peak oil" projection is based on the observations of M. King Hubbert showing a characteristic production curve of most any limited resource under intensive extraction, most particularly (but not exclusively) oil.
It is a near-universal production curve he found for oil wells, oil fields, and oil districts. At every level on the scale of production (which is the sum of all the production curves of its components) the same productio
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Gasoline was $4.40 in 2008 and I just paid $1.65...what part don't you get?
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That's the free market for you. Or don't you believe that a supplier has the right to sell their product at whatever price they wish, even if it is just to drive a competitor out of business? Business is business, right?
"Dumping" is just another way to say, "cut prices".
Or maybe you believe there should be laws regulating the price at whic
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"Dumping" is just another way to say, "cut prices".
If the price of electric vehicles falls below that of dinosaur burners is this "dumping" or a "price cut"?
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"Dumping" is just another way to say, "cut prices".
"Dumping" means selling below the cost of production, usually with the aim of driving competitors out of the market.
Dumping is hard to prove, and most accusations of dumping are just whining about competition. Saudi Arabia is NOT dumping because their cost of production is extremely low. They are still making a profit on every barrel they sell. Their objectives are more geopolitical than economic anyway, aimed at Iran and Russia, with Venezuela and American frackers as collateral damage.
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There is another term for that: "loss leaders".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Whether you use the term "dumping" or "loss leader" to describe what is basically the same exact thing depends entirely on your perspective. We were told that "global markets" were the solution to all our problems. Now that those same markets come back to bite us in the ass, there is a scramble to change the fra
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There is another term for that: "loss leaders".
No. As your own citation explains, a "loss leader" means something different. A loss leader is an item priced low to draw customers to your business, so that you can sell them additional or alternative products. Example: Razor blade companies price the razor low to make money on blades, not to drive razor companies out of the market.
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Look again. This is what my citation explains:
"ONE use of a loss leader is..."
That means there are others. Again, the difference is entirely in perspective. You're cutting prices in order to cause
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Nobody believes that Saudi Arabia is selling below cost. They can make money on their oil at 1/4 the current market price. The reason OPEC exists is to control production and increase prices - thereby increasing profits. This is a cartel and would be illegal if these were companies and not nations.
I don't know what you think is "biting us in the ass" - unless you were investing in shale oil in the Dakotas. Lots of people are losing their shirts because they need to make more than $65 per barrel to make
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Globalism. That's what's biting us in the ass.
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No, that's just a symptom. A competitor selling a product for prices lower than you are (due to better technology or malice or whatever) so you don't have any sales is only a problem if you need sales to survive. I would say the real problem is that we are stuck in a system where most people are required to trade goods or services in order to obtain their basic necessities. That is, even if you've obtained the basics, you can't usually keep them unless you tra
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You raise interesting points. I'll have to think about this a little while.
If it's the guy next door, I can walk over and talk to him about it. If it's globalism, I can only slide downhill. Because there will always be someone in worse shape than you who will undercut your price.
I'm really starting to believe that we've reached peak uregulated capitalism some years ago. At least
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What becomes of an abandoned frack well?
The frack wells are not being abandoned. The price of oil is still above the marginal cost of pumping from an existing well. Some frackers are even continuing to drill new wells. The technology is advancing rapidly, and the breakeven price is falling. Cheap oil is here to stay.
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There is no such thing as a free market. There has never been a free market. The free market is a fairy tale used to keep people in economic bondage.
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Typically the entire point is to not have the pollution in mid-city so that's not considered anything other than a triviality for better or worse. You do have a point but it will usually be dismissed as irrelevant or scraping the barrel to find something wrong somewhere. It's better to argue on cost versus performance or other things that people consider more
Re:I hope so (Score:5, Insightful)
Fuck you, asshole.
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Fuck you, asshole.
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Fascinating!
Re:what point? Libertarians vote fasist (Score:5, Funny)
You've gotta admit, people who will blame absolutely anything and everything wrong in their lives on Obama and the SJWs are nothing if not consistent.
"I have to vote for the fascist flim-flam man, because Obama and the SJWs have just pushed me too far"
There must be some small part of you that feels ashamed.
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I think it's ridiculous that people have to worry about somebody policing who they can and can't marry; I think the war on drugs has ruined many more lives than it could ever hope to save and should be stopped; I think the death penalty is wrong. Point in fact, on most issues, I lean left. However, with the constant childish name-calling, spite-filled, intolerant, unadulterated hate that comes from the extreme left-wing in this country, I would never ever identify myself as a "progressive". What the left ha
Re:what point? Libertarians vote fasist (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a difference between those excellent points and blaming "Obama and the SJWs" for the milk going bad.
Donald Trump is not the outcome of leftist policies. He's the result of a major political party riding the tiger of talk radio shock jocks who are all trying to be more horrible than the next one and calling it "talking tough". It's the result of the Southern Strategy, it's the result of creating a victim mentality among white working class people, convincing them that they're being oppressed. It's the result of a cheapening of discourse and the stoking of irrational fears - of xenophobia and plain, old bigotry. It's the result of the "bully effect", where weak-minded people feel empathy toward the strong papa-figure, as long as he sounds sufficiently like a hard-ass. It's the result of a fascism that's been dormant in the US for over a century and a half and really started to flower in 1980. The 20th century was stained with rivers of blood from what happens when that sort of ugliness takes hold in a portion of a society.
Don't blame some stupid college kids or feminists for the rise of the first candidate in decades that's been embraced by actual white supremacists and Nazis.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-... [theguardian.com]
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it's the result of creating a victim mentality among white working class people, convincing them that they're being oppressed
Between the war on drugs, the socialisation of risk and privatisation of profit, uncapping of political donationa and corporate protectionism masquerading as free trade, working class people are pretty much being oppressed.
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And the oppressing class is convincing them that they're really being oppressed by those dark-complexioned people over there. And feminists, of course, because nothing says "jack-booted oppressor" like some college girl who doesn't shave her armpits.
When Donald Trump says, "I love the po
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As you can all see, I didn't imagine this mentality. Obama caused Trump by exhorting people to hope. Oh, and Reverend Wright, who is his chief of staff.
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Re:what point? Libertarians vote fasist (Score:4, Interesting)
You Hundred Percent Red Blood Americans have an entire cable news network dedicated to spreading your bullshit, and here you are upset about a few mouthy "SJWs"? How about you turn off Fox Propaganda and listen to what some actual "SJWs" have to say, instead of what Fox Propaganda says about them.
One, it *is* bullshit. If hard work got you ahead, then everyone who toils behind a McDonald's counter would be a millionaire. And these days, studying and bettering yourself may only get you four years older and deeper in debt, assuming you can find the time after working two jobs for bullshit pay. Donald Trump got four bankruptcies. Many a former student would like just one.
Two, they're *tenets*, unless they're paying rent. And if you have to call something a tenet, it's probably bullshit.
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Think about how cheap electronic stuff from China can be. Take out the shock absorbers and replace them with electromagnetic devices. Take out the brakes (apart from maybe a single use emergency brake) and use regenerative braking with reverse power for low speed braking. You are left with the most reliable moving parts, which cuts down on costs. The determinant is cheap battery manufacture at high economies of scale.
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You know we have a libertarian candidate [garyjohnson2016.com] to vote for, right?
The longer that people pretend that elections are a choice between "two people" despite numerous candidates, the longer those two people's parties will have a stranglehold on our politics.
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Maybe $30k is expensive for a new car in the States but $30k in Australia for a new car is quite cheap. As an easy comparison for you a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Diesel is $68,000 drive away.
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This may well be true in 10 years. Predictions like these have a bad habit of failing. Will it be true forever? Maybe not. It depends on whether the economics work out. Currently the total efficiency just isn't favorable. The range isn't there and may never be there. My VW TDI (Yes, I know.) goes over 500 miles on one 14.5 gallon tank. Show me any EV that will go 500 miles on one charge and sells for under $30K. BTW I can do that and still have all of the power at the end of the tank as I had at the beginni
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EV's market share will remain marginal until a recharging infrastructure is built. People will need to see that they have a reliable means of charging their vehicles when they want to take any trip that is over 300 miles away from home.
Re: Will EVs be popular in 10 years? (Score:4, Interesting)
I've taken a few multi thousand mile trips in my Tesla at a total cost of $4 for electricity. Are you telling me that this was all a dream and the thousands of worldwide Supercharger stations don't exist?
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I've taken a few multi thousand mile trips in my Tesla at a total cost of $4 for electricity. Are you telling me that this was all a dream and the thousands of worldwide Supercharger stations don't exist?
It's more dream then reality. You are ignoring one, very important point: Most EV's can't use that Supercharger network
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I've taken a few multi thousand mile trips in my Tesla at a total cost of $4 for electricity. Are you telling me that this was all a dream and the thousands of worldwide Supercharger stations don't exist?
It will be wonderful if it all comes true some day, but for now it is an expensive dream...
A car that doesn't make money, being sold for crazy high luxury prices, being recharged on "free" superchargers that future cars won't get for "free", yea, it is a dream for now...
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We are a 2 car family. As I expect most families are. For me that means I can have the best of both worlds. I can have an ICE which I do longer trips in and an electric for the high frequency short trip.
When I compare the annual mileage of my two vehicles currently one averages about 22,500 km per year and the other only about 3000km. Of those 22,500km most are short trips, home to school, school to shops, home to saturday activity etc. Very few trips come close to more than 100km in any one go. Now t
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I shouldn't need an overhaul for at least 500,000 miles. When I bought the car I asked the service manager how far the VW TDI would go before it needed an overhaul. He said, "I don't know. We've never had to overhaul one."
Electric cars shouldn't need 'overhauls' either. We've had electric motors, individual ones, that use the same basic technology as is in an EV engine, running for darn near a century without needing major repair. You might need to open one up every few hundred thousand miles to replace the bearings and/or grease, but that should be about it. The drive train, minus the battery, should long outlast the interior.
As for the AC calling EVs a fad and Tesla disappearing, I figure that the worst we'll see for Te
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Above post is better if read out loud in the pregnant cop from the movie Fargo's voice.
dontyouknow.
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That was about the time engineers from Kodak started jumping ship.
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