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Microsoft Allows Users To Remove Some System Applications in Windows 10 Insider Preview 14936 (ghacks.net) 124

Until now, Microsoft restricted users from deleting many of the system applications on Windows 10. But it is finally giving users that option in the latest Windows 10 Insider Preview -- 14936. From an article on Ghacks:If you open the Mail and Calendar application for instance, you will notice that the uninstall button is active now. This means that you can remove the system app from the machine without having to resort to Powershell or third-party programs to do so. Users who are on the stable version of Windows 10 cannot uninstall system apps using the apps & features menu currently. It seems likely that Microsoft will introduce the feature with the next feature update, codename Redstone 2, which will be out in 2017. Before you start jumping up and down in joy, note that some system applications cannot be removed. While you can uninstall Mail and Calendar, Calculator, Groove Music, Maps, and Weather, you cannot remove Alarm & Clock, Camera, Cortana, Messaging, and others.
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Microsoft Allows Users To Remove Some System Applications in Windows 10 Insider Preview 14936

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  • Systemd (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    When will debian let me remove systemd?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Build your own distro and stfu

    • Re:Systemd (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:44PM (#53025583)

      When will debian let me remove systemd?

      As a longtime Gentoo user I can honestly say, "what systemd?" Oh, it's available and I can install it if I wanted to, but I'm sticking with OpenRC. The occasional kernel update is the only reason this machine ever has downtime so I don't give a shit about bootup times. Meanwhile I don't like having Poettering and Red Hat using politics to try to force software down our throats.

      Gentoo's entire purpose is providing user choice. They often encourage you to file a bug if you ever encounter a scenario where you can't make your own choice. If you want systemd, they'll help you configure it. If you don't, they'll help you with that too. To my knowledge Debian has never publically stated that user choice is their main purpose. So ... are you surprised that they made an important choice for you?? Why do you think there are different distros anyway? It's not just about default settings on installation, you know.

      • Mod parent up! Still on Gentoo after all these years :)
        • by Anonymous Coward

          Mod parent up! Still on Gentoo after all these years :)

          Same AC here. Isn't it just great? Also, once you get used to a rolling-release model you really won't want to go back to periodic reinstalls (or switching repositories and crossing your fingers while you do a huge distro upgrade, knowing that the smallest little hitch can turn into a great big mess).

          Don't get me wrong - I run Mint on my little netbook. Right tool for the job and all of that. But the contrast is what really highlights (for me) how nice a rolling release truly is. In fact the only value

    • your a big boy now, you can do it yourself
      http://without-systemd.org/wik... [without-systemd.org]
      This is a text of the GahNew/Leenux Operating System
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Today. And it is not even difficult. The problem is not that they do not allow removal. The problem is that systemd is the default and the process that was used to force it into that role.

    • by cas2000 ( 148703 )

      It always has.

      All of my machines are running debian, and the only ones running systemd are those where I've deliberately installed it. All the others are running sysvinit - and that includes machines that were built years ago, and machines built since systemd became the default.

      If you're going to whinge about systemd, whinge about a real problem.

      Hint: that means one that actually exists - which should be no great difficulty, there are many systemd problems to choose from.

  • Still trying... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mindwhip ( 894744 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:09PM (#53025207)

    ...to figure out why my PC needs an alarm clock or camera app... sure these are useful on a phone but on my desktop they really are not useful.

    • I would have killed for a good free Alarm clock app years ago. I only had a desktop (next to my bed). No phone. No tablet. There are still millions of people who only have one device... no reason that a basic function like that shouldn't be included in the OS, so you don't have to resort to running media files via the scheduling system as a workaround.

      That, and Windows 10 also runs on ultra-portal laptops and tablets, where this is more useful even to the richer first-worlders who have alternate devices the

      • I would have killed for a good free Alarm clock app years ago

        Me too. I resorted to a scheduled task to open a particular .mp3.

        I would wake up every morning to Opeth... but then I found that the negative association was starting to make me dislike my favorite songs... So I went back to a regular alarm clock.

      • I would have killed for a good free Alarm clock app years ago. I only had a desktop (next to my bed).

        sleep 8h;mpg123 something_loud.mp3

      • There are these things that poor people, and even some of the better off people, have called alarm clocks. They are not very popular among the wealthy and those who want everyone else to perceive them as wealthy, but they have been around for a very long time. You can even buy one for less than $20, which is why those who want to be perceived as wealthy refuse to own one.
    • by tsqr ( 808554 )

      ...to figure out why my PC needs an alarm clock or camera app... sure these are useful on a phone but on my desktop they really are not useful.

      So it can wake you up for that middle-of-the-night teleconference, obviously.

    • It's damn useful on most laptops and tablets, and phablets too.

      Don't assume everything is a Phone vs Desktop thing. There are at least 3 devices in between.

    • Because some of us like me run Windows 10 on portable tablets and hybrids like my 12.3 Surface Pro 3.

      No one really buys bulky desktops anymore besides gamers and geeks and we are not the majority of users anymore since the 1990s

    • Still trying to figure out why my PC needs an alarm clock or camera app..

      You need a camera app because other apps can call on the camera app. So it's almost a library as much as an app.

      Similarly if you uninstall alarm and you use Cortana to "set an alarm" she would error out.

      The apps that you can uninstall are generally now apps that aren't required by Cortana/Windows to perform an action.

  • Lemme guess (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Opportunist ( 166417 )

    It's all those apps that everyone who wanted to remove already removed because the guides how to do it with power shell are all over the internet.

    What about:

    Contact Support
    Cortana
    Edge
    Feedback

    ?

    • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @01:05PM (#53025857)

      Clippy is the AI that's been running Microsoft the last 20 years. You don't think a company that size could be run by humans do you?

      Cortana is how Clippy spies on you and grows his powerbase so that oneday he can conquer the world.

  • Still not Cortana (Score:3, Informative)

    by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:16PM (#53025271) Homepage Journal

    That bitch is even more intrusive than Clippy. My Windows 10 box was popping up every 3 minutes trying to redirect me to Bing for some spam or another. I finally figured out how to disable her, turning off just about every feature.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Of course. Cortana is the entire point with Windows 10, and she's there to serve Microsoft, not you. She's not going away, ever. The only thing which is likely to go away is your ability to install another OS, for this very reason. They want your data, and they will stop at nothing, not even appropriating your computer, to get it.

      Captcha: despotic. How appropriate.

      • She cant even pause music played on the default Groove music player. I literally dont see the point of Cortana since all she does is provide web results. I dont want her to EVER search the web for me.
    • So in effect, you went back to Windows 7?

      • Yes except for all those other features under the hood that people who don't like Windows 10 refuse to admit exists, like better memory management, smaller footprint, better security, better scheduler, updated directX etc.

      • Yep. Only stable form of the operating system in the last 10 years.

    • That bitch is even more intrusive than Clippy. My Windows 10 box was popping up every 3 minutes trying to redirect me to Bing for some spam or another. I finally figured out how to disable her, turning off just about every feature.

      You're doing something to annoy her. Personally I've never had her pop up except for the one time I hit the shortcut and I wasn't focused on the window I should have been, and she's not disabled either.

  • Worthless (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:16PM (#53025273)

    If Microsoft wants to be applauded for allowing to remove something, they could start by giving users an option to completely remove Metro and have Windows 10 set itself into Desktop mode where it shrinks all the wasted space and tiles and giant buttons that are worthless for people who don't need to use their fat fingers to select elements on a touchscreen.

    • They are getting there. Windows 11 will probably be quite nice. Kinda like Win7 was an apology for Vista.
      • by Dracos ( 107777 )

        MS has said on multiple occasions that 10 will be the last "version" of Windows.

        But you can keep holding your breath if you like.

        • by npslider ( 4555045 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:47PM (#53025619)

          Last version of "Windows", the next update will be MS Doors. This opens up a whole new world of possibilities. The first regional version will be French Doors. When the computer hangs it will be a door jam. Just you wait... MS will be knocking on your Door soon.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Hopefully not my back door.
            They've been doing that for 10 years and it is starting to get sore.

        • They have said a lot of things. But if enough customers say no, they will change their mind. For example, businesses will simply not allow rolling releases. If it gets down to it, they will convert to another OS and use Citrix published apps.
        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          MS has said a lot of things over the years that turned out to not be true anymore when their strategy failed.

      • There is no apology sufficient to atone for Vista.

    • There is no Metro in Windows 10.
  • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:18PM (#53025291)
    I wonder what Microsoft will permit users to do next with their own system.
  • So is there a button to uninstall Windows10?

    • Yes. It has a penguin on the front.

    • Here you go: https://www.linuxmint.com/down... [linuxmint.com]
    • by donaldm ( 919619 )

      So is there a button to uninstall Windows10?

      You can whinge all you want and it won't get you anywhere. The only way Microsoft is going to take notice is if you do something about it such as adopting a penguin mascot or picking up an Apple.

      • You can whinge all you want and it won't get you anywhere. The only way Microsoft is going to take notice is if you do something about it such as adopting a penguin mascot or picking up an Apple.

        Your giving Microsoft way too much credit. They will only take notice when the electric company cuts power to Redmond due to running out of money to pay basic utility bills.

  • I can't imagine wanting to remove only "Some" of Windows. I'll stick with removing ALL of it. Or of never letting it get on there in the first place.

  • Windows use to let you change almost anything you wanted, customize most things.. didn't force you to use anything... now.. it seems like Microsoft is run by old Soviet dictators. So I still have my windows 7 machine, which I'll use until I can't find software that will run on it any more. I've also started using Ubuntu & Mint daily, to see which one I like more. So far it's a tie. But I will not go to Windows 10. They have lost a long time customer in me.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Windows use to let you change almost anything you wanted, customize most things.. didn't force you to use anything... now.. it seems like Microsoft is run by old Soviet dictators. So I still have my windows 7 machine, which I'll use until I can't find software that will run on it any more. I've also started using Ubuntu & Mint daily, to see which one I like more. So far it's a tie. But I will not go to Windows 10. They have lost a long time customer in me.

      So, you're a very slow learner but at least you finally figured out what kind of company Microsoft is. You learned slowly because you have such a narrow view of what a giant red flag looks like. Customization was the only one you recognized, really? How about their long history of hostile business practices?

      I came to your same realization in the late 1990s. Windows 98 was the "latest and greatest" from MS back then. You could customize it and there were plenty of little freeware or shareware utilities

      • Your points are all valid... you might call me a slow learner.. I just like to think I have thick skin.

        I suggest you try a little harder next time to choose words that won't be considered insulting rather then have to try and explain why your comments are not insulting at the end of your comment. Seems more like you just want to tell people how great you are and how stupid everyone else is... but I could be wrong.

  • for removing parts of windows, i usually go too far and remove ALL of it, oops i accidentally formatted to ext4 and installed gnu/linux, too late, buh bye microsoft
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Microsoft, to put it bluntly. Just give me a damn OS and let me decide the rest on what I want. Windows 10 has become it's own bloatware with stuff I don't need and when I uninstall something, why in the hell does it come back next big update? Uninstall means I don't want it, not oh maybe you want it now because it's the Anniversary Edition, or maybe you mistakenly uninstalled it.

  • by NecroPuppy ( 222648 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @01:04PM (#53025853) Homepage

    Who would care to remove the calculator?

    I mean this seriously. I don't use it often, as the math I may need to do is more often statistical stuff where it's beyond the calc, but fine in Excel, but there's still plenty of times I use calc.

    Who has so little space on their computer that removing calc is going to make a difference? That one sort of feels like, "We need to add one more thing to the list of things removed..." "Cortana! Everyone hates it!" "No, Bob, we can't take that out. We'll let them uninstall calc instead."

  • How to uninstall (Score:4, Informative)

    by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @01:08PM (#53025891) Journal

    For those that don't know how to uninstall them, here's the powershell method:

    Provisioned apps (the ones that get installed with each new profile, the reason Windows 8+ is so slow in loading a new profile)
    Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online

    All users apps:
    Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

    Specifif user apps (can be local accounts)
    Get-AppxPackage -User domain\account | Remove-AppxPackage'

  • by Anonymous Coward

    It would be quite nice to be able to permanently delete all trace of all the crapware that comes in Windows 10. For example Candy Crush. I want it totally gone. I don't want to delete it from one account and pop up again in another. Gone. A simple tool that presents this shit in a list with a simple Remove button.

  • by hAckz0r ( 989977 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @02:25PM (#53026613)
    After resisting for the better part of a year, I may finally have a reason to "upgrade" to Windows 10? The killer feature of Windows 10 is being able to remove features. Go figure...

    Unfortunately, the most annoying feature I want to remove most often is Windows(tm).

  • Let me remove Edge and Cortana, then I'd be thrilled. I don't need another browser and I sure as heck don't need a "virtual assistant".
    • Actually, I'm fine w/ Edge, don't use Cortana at all, but would like to uninstall Internet Explorer, News and some other apps.

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