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Chinese President Xi Jinping Says Internet Must Be 'Clean and Righteous' (reuters.com) 325

The internet must be "clean and righteous" and vulgar content must be resisted in the field of culture, Chinese President Xi Jinping told a meeting of senior propaganda officials, state media said on Wednesday. From a report: The government has been tightening controls over internet content as part of what it says are efforts to maintain social stability, taking on "vulgar" and pornographic content as well as the unauthorised dissemination of news. The moves come amid a broader clamp-down targeting online content from livestreams and blogs to mobile gaming, as the country's leaders look to tighten their grip over a huge and diverse cultural scene online popular with China's youth. Speaking at a two-day meeting, attended by officials from major state media outlets and the internet regulator, Xi said propaganda efforts needed to be put front and centre, the official Xinhua news agency said. "Uphold a clean and righteous internet space," the report cited Xi as saying. China shut as many as 128,000 websites that contained obscene and other "harmful" information in 2017, Xinhua reported in January, citing government data.
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  • by llamalad ( 12917 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:32AM (#57174228)

    Now, what's his email address?

    And does anyone know a good goatse mirror?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Come to think about it, most Europeans and most Americans do wish for that.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by KiloByte ( 825081 )

      So do bible-thumpers. There's no meaningful difference between left-nazis and right-nazis here.

      In the US, far left is currently mainstream while far right is not (Unite the Right 2018 had ~20 participants, most of the hype came from Russian trolls), while eg. in Poland the left is nearly non-existent while far right is everywhere, but that's just a matter of different colors of the same. Just note the name: national socialism.

      Their policies are very alike. This includes censorship.

      • by citylivin ( 1250770 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:18PM (#57175478)

        "In the US, far left is currently mainstream"

        bwahaha...

        Left:
        - universal healthcare
        - environmental protections
        - marijuana legal
        - hate speech outlawed
        - no coal plants

        FAR left, is above plus
        - universal income
        - 50%-90% corporate tax rate
        - all drugs legal
        - proportional representation
        - nationalized critical industries (energy, water, internet) and some too big to fail businesses or businesses in the national interest
        - no more nukes, nuke plants or any polluting power plant. renewables only.
        - cap higher end wages

        So I very much doubt that the "mainstream" in the USA is "far left". I think you guys can barely get to the centrist position.

        I know its said time and time again, but the USA version of "left" is considered center or center right by other 1st world democracies.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          The US only has right and far-right.

        • "In the US, far left is currently mainstream"

          bwahaha...

          Left: - universal healthcare - environmental protections - marijuana legal - hate speech outlawed - no coal plants

          FAR left, is above plus - universal income - 50%-90% corporate tax rate - all drugs legal - proportional representation - nationalized critical industries (energy, water, internet) and some too big to fail businesses or businesses in the national interest - no more nukes, nuke plants or any polluting power plant. renewables only. - cap higher end wages

          So I very much doubt that the "mainstream" in the USA is "far left". I think you guys can barely get to the centrist position.

          I know its said time and time again, but the USA version of "left" is considered center or center right by other 1st world democracies.

          You left out their most extreme positions and you know it. For example:

          Left:

          - general disdain for white people and favor affirmative action type programs. I think this is unique to the US. - OK to openly fly job ads that specify no white males unless they are gay - general disdain for Christians as a group - general disdain for anyone from "fly over" states, the south, or just not from a city - amnesty for all illegal immigrants is acceptable. Multiple times is fine too. - Abolish ICE so that enforceme

      • Although I agree with you that both far left and far right want censorship. In many respects the USA main stream is anything from left. The USA cannot even provide free hospitals (which every other country in the world provides) or add a background check for owning an automatic rifle. The far left would be advocating communism that is definitely not mainstream in the USA. Although the left in terms of feminism is mainstream (in the media at least, talking to real women it isn't the case), you are not even
        • or add a background check for owning an automatic rifle.

          no issue with most of your post, but throwing this in (being that it is 100% false) could undermine peoples perception of the rest of it, as you appear to be outraged by things you don't understand.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        I still have not found any meaning full difference between any xyz-nazis. Left/right/religio/etc.-nazis. Extremist minded-people that feel entitled to push their ideologies on everybody. All the same scum, with a bit of different imagery and catch-phrases. At least in the end all willing to kill anybody who disagrees.

      • National Socialism was very much not socialist in any way. The name was used to attract people. On the other hand, it wasn't very right wing either. But everyone insists it must be one or the other and it's used as a way to tarnish the reputation of the side that they disagree with. Politics these days is just stupid, I'd rather people get along as opposed to parties which claim that the othesr are traitors (not just the US, this is everywhere). Political parties are one of the worst ideas invented in

      • Is all censorship the same?

        The Left wants to censor incorrect political opinions, claiming that Ideas are harmful because they have the power to change someone's mind and make them believe something you do not want to believe. Please, if you believe their is a better or more less partisan way of putting this, please help me come up with a better one.

        While the Right wants to ban content they believe is unsavoury or harmful.

        Banning pornography is definitely not the exact same thing as banning all opinions dif

      • Are you talking about literal Nazis here?

        The 1942 Berlin diversity and Gay pride parade was quite a show. People came in droves, from many different nationalities. The military turned up too, on account of the huge social welfare projects created by the newly expanded funding. Controling the executive, legislative and parliamentary branches of government created a utopia, with one man in charge.

        The only part which sucked was when the German military forced the racially impure, the Jews, Roma, sexual de

      • Indeed. It's pretty terrible. Amongst the bible thumpers I know (I'm not one of them) they DO respect the first amendment and whilst they'd LIKE to see things censored they are also aware that freedom is important. I know no SJWs so I can't speak on them. Whether or not ALL bible thumpers respect the constitution, I can't say.
      • Just note the name: national socialism.

        Well you just fell for a big pile of Nazi propaganda. Tell me, if you think the Nazis were actually socialists, then why did they throw socialists in concentration camps?

  • by olsmeister ( 1488789 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:39AM (#57174282)
    Scary phrase, there. I knew there was a Trump liked this guy Xi.
  • Interesting. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:39AM (#57174284)

    Who knew that Winnie the Pooh [bbc.com] was so dirty and unrighteous.

    Fuck Xi Jinping, fuck him up his stupid cartoon bear ass. (we both know the internet has images of that)

  • Says who? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by StandardCell ( 589682 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:42AM (#57174308)
    This from a guy whose party has sanitized the killing of tens of millions of its own people, is now ruler for life, has a social credit score to force people to behave according to the CCP's wishes, could care less about the 300 million people in abject poverty without regular access to clean water, and won't acknowledge the Tiananmen Square massacre to the point of banning the term "63+1", or 6/4 [businessinsider.com].

    Yeah, you can go fuck yourself Xi Jinping. We'll keep trying to show your people how the rest of the world works and hopefully they'll finish what was started in 1989.
    • And anyway... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:35PM (#57174742)

      Sex is righteous. Sex is how our species survives. It is the reason everyone of us exists. And so on.

      Sex is not dirty. It is perfectly natural and clean. Sexual desire is not dirty. It is an instinct that our species relies on for continuance.

      Pornography is not dirty. It is the most automatic expression of our sexual instincts, given the tech available. It plays its part in assisting the entire enterprise of keeping our species alive.

      People who want to block pornography usually have an ulterior motive. Either they actually want to block a whole bunch of other things and are just using a widespread cultural discomfort with our own survival instincts to get the necessary approval, or they are threatened by the fact that standards of beauty actually exist and aren't always trivially easy to achieve. Or they are just under-developed and hence erroneously believe their own sexual instincts are dirty. In any case, they insist that pornography is dirty, when it is not.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Rolgar ( 556636 )

        Or perhaps you should study what science has to say: https://fightthenewdrug.org/ [fightthenewdrug.org]

        Porn makes people stupid. Science FTW.

        • I've tried to see what science has to say. But once you discount all organisations that are misrepresenting scientific studies to push a political agenda, all the personal anecdotes, and all the sensationalist reports just trying to get some views, science doesn't actually have much to say. There are studies that give contradictory results, but it's not an easy area to study. For one, good luck getting ethical approval for a controlled study.

          Fight the New Drug looks superficially respectable. They don't hav

      • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:54PM (#57176778) Journal

        Pornography is not dirty.

        Dude, you need to find better porn.

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    • > to the point of banning the term "63+1", or 6/4.

      Wow, that's a new low for China.

      What's that quote?

      "You can tell how advanced a society is by what they censor."

      --
      Only children censor.
      Adults communicate and even laugh at taboo subjects.

    • but America won't be taking away their most favorite nation status anytime soon. Meanwhile our close allies the Saudis are seeking the death penalty for a peaceful protestor who demanded women's rights. Last I checked we're still selling them bombs and they're still dropping them on school buses in Yemen.

      It's all well and good to say "Fuck so and so" but until you vote people into office who will actually get tough on human rights abuses it's pissing in the wind.
  • by davek ( 18465 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:46AM (#57174338) Homepage Journal

    It's about time communism got with the program.

  • But there's still a KTV every few blocks in every Chinese city.

  • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:49AM (#57174368)

    that Tibet belongs to the Tibetans and that the Chinese project of replacing the Tibetans with Han Chinese will be reversed. And, Taiwan can now be considered an independent country of 23 million Chinese and can determine their own future with full recognition from Beijing.

    Hope springs eternal...and in Xi's China, goes there to die.

    • I heard he was going to announce he was relinquishing claims on the South China Sea, after looking at a map and deciding that China was clearly wrong.

  • This is why (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tokolosh ( 1256448 )

    China will have periodic revolutions and will never be a front-rank country, Western angst notwithstanding.

    • revolutions

      The ruling Communist party makes that much more difficult, but yeah, I've been kinda waiting for that to happen for quite some time now. It's hard to suppress unrest when you have over a billion people in your country. Imagine what Bashir al-Assad has done to the people of Syria, but on the scale of China. It might just plunge the rest of the world into World War III along with it, as it polarized every other nation on Earth, one by one.

      • As long as the economy kept cranking along, no problems. I'm worried where they'll go once they realize you can't grow forever. People put up with dictators as long as their situation is improving enormously. when that stops...

        • As long as the economy kept cranking along, no problems. I'm worried where they'll go once they realize you can't grow forever. People put up with dictators as long as their situation is improving enormously. when that stops...

          See 1984. Control thought, language, and news. Then create alternate enemies for would-be disgruntled people. Punish the disobedient as enemies of the people. Economic turmoil is only a challenge for governments who care about human rights. In fact, the Chinese government is concerned about the possibility of the challenge to their tight-fisted control that economic turmoil might present. Therefore, it believes it needs to double down on the Orwellian strategies.

      • China has never been able to control that many. That's part of the irony here, they have a centralized party that claims to control everything, but it is so weak that it has very little actual control over the regions. So the regional party bosses very often end up corrupt and abusing power without getting punished for it (or at least not until a school falls down).

  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:11PM (#57174544) Journal
    Know what this fuckwad communist dictator sounds like? The Puritans. Remember them? They were at least as corrupted as anyone else, all the while pretending to pure and 'righteous'. Of course in this case it's an order of magnitude worse: this jackass includes things like 'freedom of speech', 'freedom of expression', 'criticizing the communist party', 'criticizing the government', and of course 'criticizing him' among the things he considers 'vulgar' and 'pornographic' content.

    As an aside to all this: know what I think is really ironically funny about this? For a country that has recorded history going back, what, 3000 years at least? They still fail to learn from their own history. This guy has set himself up as Emperor of China for all intents and purposes. How's that worked out for you in the past, China? Do you even remember? Or has the Communist party removed your access to (or worse, rewritten) your own history, too? Sad, sad, sad. I actually feel bad for the average Chinese citizen.
    • They still fail to learn from their own history. This guy has set himself up as Emperor of China for all intents and purposes. How's that worked out for you in the past, China? Do you even remember?

      Yes, he certainly does know and remember. For the vast majority of Chinese emperors, being emperor totally kicked ass.

    • You don't know much history, "Puritans" weren't a denomination just a blanket term. they're still around in the USA, didn't go away at all. I'd argue they're holding power right now.

      • Where precisely did I say 'Puritans were a religious denomination'? Stop making shit up, don't put words in my mouth.
        That being said: yeah, the GOP sounds and acts an awful lot like them don't they?
        • Only that they were protestants that then went into various denominations that are still around. Would include Trump's main power blocks.

      • Not a denomination but they were still a clear sect with teachings and beliefs setting them distinctly apart from other Protestant churches. And they were relatively few. History makes them see more populous than they really were. What people today call "puritan" has only marginal relationship to the actual Puritans.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      While I don't disagree with what you said, I don't know if the average person feels that much difference between the one Party and the one Emperor. I mean China has been cracking down on freedom of speech for 30 years if not longer, how much is really new and worse now?

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      For a country that has recorded history going back, what, 3000 years

      Don't give them that! Its Chinese propaganda. The Chinese nation as it exists today dates to October 1, 1949. In fact as far a "developed" they are whippersnappers. There is no meaningful connection to the China that came before. They ensure that themselves with the 'great leap forward'

    • Indeed. BTW the Puritans were also socialist.
  • ... they're still blocking Tienanmen square. Because, remembering the tyranny of their own government is lacking in righteousness?... or cleanliness?

  • Sanitizing of all media was a primary goal of Adolf. However I can understand this move from a perspective of historic Chinese social and their moral history. Mao was no saint but he did finally endorse a state set of morals largely based upon a Taoist cultural society. Thus todays leadership must bow to the will of the Chinese people in regard to social interaction morals. Amoral bureaucrats and political figures are a huge problem when a political system allows them to wield power over information, thus t
    • Sanitizing of all media was a primary goal of Adolf. However I can understand this move from a perspective of historic Chinese social and their moral history. Mao was no saint but he did finally endorse a state set of morals largely based upon a Taoist cultural society. Thus todays leadership must bow to the will of the Chinese people in regard to social interaction morals. Amoral bureaucrats and political figures are a huge problem when a political system allows them to wield power over information, thus the people they are claiming to serve.

      Correction and post edit...sorry if that is not possible. change "social and their moral history" to just "social and moral history" to avoid the grammar police coming to my door step. WHICH CAN BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM ON THE NET if is policed for moral correctness!!!

    • So pretty much how Facebook/Twitter/Google are policing undesirable thoughts off the internet? Only Xi is using the same methods but has different outcomes in mind (e.g. continuous communist party control, forever).
      • Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!

        No argument there, that is why eventually reason will prevail because the bigotry, hatred and prejudice that we see from the alt right can shout louder but those who have real intellect can write much more effectively. The pen is much mightier than the sword and must never be silenced!

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Trying to make sense out of Nazi actions and ideology is a fool's errand, but it's quite a stretch to imply that sanitizing the media of sex was a "primary" goal. The media was used to serve the regime in any way it could, on an opportunistic basis.

      While pornography was officially frowned on, it was really pornography produced by people who weren't in the party. The Schutzstaffel "Hygeine Institute" actually produced pornographic films for use by party members, and titillating images of naked "Aryan" wome

      • Trying to make sense out of Nazi actions and ideology is a fool's errand, but it's quite a stretch to imply that sanitizing the media of sex was a "primary" goal. The media was used to serve the regime in any way it could, on an opportunistic basis.

        While pornography was officially frowned on, it was really pornography produced by people who weren't in the party. The Schutzstaffel "Hygeine Institute" actually produced pornographic films for use by party members, and titillating images of naked "Aryan" women were common. For the vulgar masses, material that was pornographic by the standards of the day was printed in Der Sturmer -- if often depicted the violation of young Aryan women by Jews, skillfully blending sexual arousal and hate.

        It wasn't porn they objected to, it was porn that didn't serve their political ends.

        Precisely the point I was getting at and thank you. I was certainly not trying to justify the actions of an obvious dictator which is what the poor unfortunate masses have. China now must endure dictatorship again because in truth there is no real democratic system there to keep the assholes in check. There are only bullets not ballots. I just wonder if the central committee votes with a bowl and black and white balls the same way as the Greeks did. This is the problem with too much centralization of power

    • Mao was no saint...

      Now there's the understatement of the day. Being responsible for ~45 million deaths is more than just not being a saint.

  • by pacija ( 2566467 )

    I was born in "communist" Yugoslavia, and lived there through my early childhood in the 80s. There was no Internet, but the only three national TV programs were what you could call "Clean and Righteous". Lots of educational stuff through the morning, classic Disney or Fleischer cartoons before bedtime, movie classics, both domestic and foreign in the evening.

    Yugoslavia was torn down in early 90s by "western democracies", split to smaller, weaker countries, and one of them - Serbia, where I live now - was fi

  • I bet he has no idea how much he has in common with Facebook, Twitter, and Google.
    • I bet he has no idea how much he has in common with Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

      Indeed. One has a social credit score and the other has a trustworthiness rating.

  • And a dictator consolidating his power as we speak wants this massive censorsjip wave for purely coincidental reasons.

  • The planet must be clean and righteous and Communists must be destroyed. Xi first.

    Nazis get bayonets, Communists get helicopter rides, humans get freedom.

  • I saw just an epic speech by Dr. Jordan Peterson on free speech. It's about a half hour long but worth every minute.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    Dr. Peterson explains how vital it is to speak freely to develop one's thoughts. If people are not able to say anything that isn't "righteous" then nothing of importance can be discussed. And who is to be the arbiter of what is righteous? To have a functioning society one needs to be able to say uncomfortable things. That includes "hate speech". Most anyt

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      It's gotten bad enough here ta]hat Tom Sawyer is getting pulled from libraries because, in order to learn that slavery and racism are bad, Tom meets racists and interacts with them. Now that must be banned, as it's presenting racist views. FFS.

  • We'd already settle for a clean and righteous Xi Jinping.

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