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After Prolonged Service Outage, Petnet Shuts Down, Citing Coronavirus (arstechnica.com) 66

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Cloud-connected, "smart" automated pet-feeder system Petnet has had a rough spring. The service not only went offline in February, but all its customer service vanished, too, leaving users in the dark until the company apologized and pushed a patch more than a week later. The service briefly returned for some users but fell off again in March. Now, after weeks of silence, the company is blaming COVID-19 for driving it offline for good -- even though its problems started weeks or months before the novel coronavirus became a significant concern.

Several Petnet customers began reaching out to Ars during the second and third weeks of April to report that, once again, not only were their feeders not working, but also they couldn't reach anyone at Petnet about it. Everyone's feeders didn't go offline at the same time but seemed to fail in slow sequence over the period between March 26 and April 13. The company emailed its customers on March 26, blaming the novel coronavirus for outages and delays. The message to customers listed the same email (support@petnet.io) and Twitter (@petnetiosupport) handles the company has always used, but every reader who wrote to Ars said they were unable to receive support through either.

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After Prolonged Service Outage, Petnet Shuts Down, Citing Coronavirus

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  • by magarity ( 164372 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:34PM (#59998188)

    If you feed your pet via cloud server then you're doing it wrong.

    • If you feed your pet via cloud server then you're doing it wrong.

      If your "companion" insists on getting food at 5am every morning, you too will quickly desire to find some way to feed them that does not require you to be awake.

      Myself, I solved that with a dirt-simple physical timer box that opens when a timer runs down.

      When we travel we hire a cat sitter to come by a few times a day to feed the cats, but I can see where someone could maybe not afford that and if they were going to be gone longer than a day

      • Comment removed based on user account deletion
        • As an example of a computerised pet feeder that doens't rely on the cloud, there's a vast number of Chinese clones of a design branded in the US as Wopet that connect to your local WiFi and don't need cloud anything. Some also have pushbutton controls for programming, but they're a bit more of a pain to use. In all cases though it's exactly what you describe, an automatic timer and, since the comparison is specifically with the Petnet feeder, all the functionality of Petnet without being entirely dependen
      • Myself, I solved that with a dirt-simple physical timer box that opens when a timer runs down.

        I think (hope) that that was what the OP was saying, not "don't feed your pet via automation" but "don't rely on a cloud-based service to feed your pet". WTF do you need cloud access for to feed a pet when you're out? Sure, use it as an optional extra so you can monitor when your pet has been fed, but there's absolutely no reason whatsoever that a box with a timer and an electromagnetically-activated catch needs an Internet connection, let alone being entirely dependent on it in order to function.

      • Cats are not idiots like dogs and will self regulate their food. We have a gravity feeder for our cats, it just constantly has good dropping, the thing is loaded with enough food for 1.5-2 weeks. I hardly ever have to load it. When we leave for the long weekend, we leave out a few large bowls of water and forget about it. Our cats can be alone 3-4 days easily.

      • by gl4ss ( 559668 )

        you could companion train them to not ask food at 5 am.

        but yea you could have a cat sitter. thing is you have to have that anyways even if you had a cloud connected thing. and then you need a video feed anyways.

        our older cats are happy enough to eat from the perpetually filling thing for a day at a time anyway (no they're not fat).

        they just ran out of money I guess. why they would need to blame covid for that I dunno though.

    • There are too many services the needlessly need the cloud.
      Many “smart” systems can be smart on very cheap hardware without going online to send data.

      • Many “smart” systems can be smart on very cheap hardware without going online to send data.

        Ahh yes the original IoT. Surely that wasn't popularised by misconfigured devices punching nothing but endless holes in networks via UPnP and then proceeding to have their data gobbled up by any script kiddy who is bored.

        The "Cloud" is actually a dramatic improvement over any smart consumer toy of the past. You just have your rose coloured glasses on, either that or you've forgotten that we live in a world that no long has end to end connectivity on the internet, that CGNAT is a thing that prevents people a

    • If you feed your pet via cloud server then you're doing it wrong.

      They are great companions when you're home with them. Not so fun to take on a holiday.

    • If you do anything via cloud server then you're doing it wrong.

      FTFY.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    that sends a tweet to all my followers when my toast is ready. coolest thing EVAR!
    • If only it could tell me what type of bread you used an how dark you like your toast.. It would really help my marketing data earn more.

    • I've got a toilet that sends a tweet every time I take a dump.

      Well, not really a tweet, more like a prolonged "braaarrrpp!!!!" than a tweet. If you have a smell-o-vision attachment you can experience it even if you're deaf.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They are still for sale on Amazon with no warning. And you can't warn others, as reviews are limited to purchasers.

  • Right To Repair is an critical component in not only making branded e-crap that can never be used again without its Brand Masters, but our own survival. In a crisis, DRM could be the death of us all.

  • Time for a remake of Old Yeller?

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:48PM (#59998234)

    If you rely on a service that is not under your control and you have no SLA that basically ensures you will get continued service, what exactly is my incentive to give you continued service after you have paid?

    I get reminded of those "lifetime membership" porn sites of the 1990 where I always wondered what lifetime they meant, because they probably didn't mean mine.

    • I get reminded of those "lifetime membership" porn sites of the 1990 where I always wondered what lifetime they meant, because they probably didn't mean mine.

      How did your brain get beyond "This is the internet, why the hell would I pay for porn?" to begin with?

      • Beats me, I just saw the ads when watching my free porn. Why they'd advertise for-pay porn on free porn sites is beyond me.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:20PM (#59998344)
      the goal is for everything in your life to have a subscription with it. Groceries delivery, your home (e.g. no owning homes, gotta rent everywhere, preferable by the day ala AirBnB), your OS, your movies & TV, hell they're trying it with cars with a kind of never ending lease.

      There's no end to rent seeking. It's why you would see laws about it. If you don't legislate it (either directly or indirectly) sooner or later somebody just buys everything up and skims 20-30% off everything you do.
      • You can't collecting recurring revenue if you stop running the service.

      • There's no end to rent seeking.

        Providing a service to a customer is not rent seeking and doesn't even remotely fall under the laws banning rent seeking. Many people are happy to outsource their pain for a few dollars.

        Hell I suggest you buy a smart but non cloud connected pet feeder and then talk your parents through setting up a secure forwarded port through their NAT, along with DynDNS because their IP keeps changing all so they can monitor that the pet cat is actually eating those 5 days while they are on holiday. By about 1/3rd of the

        • or they're so weakly enforced that they do not exist. AirBnB wasn't just illegal because Hotels didn't like the competition, zoning laws existed to prevent rich folk from buying up all the houses and renting them out, trapping Americans in a spiral of increasing rent for housing.

          This Pet thing is an extreme and silly example, but it's still part of a broader trend away from ownership and towards rent.
  • These connected toys should not be relied on for anything important and it's not Luddite to point that out.
    I understand people really want them to work but part of leading a resilient lifestyle is not seeking additional dependencies.

  • its good for you.
  • by imperious_rex ( 845595 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:18PM (#59998338)

    Remember when 9/11 was used as a lame excuse [ucomics.com]? Well, now we can blame all sorts of stuff on the virus!

    * "Sorry officer, I guess COVID-19 caused me to drive while intoxicated!"
    * "I didn't know COVID-19 could get me pregnant!"
    * "One of our third party vendors has notified us that due to COVID-19 their operations are experiencing an adverse effect."

    COVID-19 – The Swiss Army Knife® of excuses! Use it often!

  • There's no reason in the world a device should need the cloud in order to dispense pet food at a pre-determined time. And there's no reason the device should need the cloud in order to support configuration, there are plenty of inexpensive embedded SOCs supporting WiFi that are quite capable of hosting a mini web server for that locally.

    The only reason these things could need the cloud would be they wanted tto grab some sort of data from their sucjers^Wcustomers or they're drooling idiots with a whiz-bang d

    • There's no reason in the world a device should need the cloud in order to dispense pet food at a pre-determined time. And there's no reason the device should need the cloud in order to support configuration, there are plenty of inexpensive embedded SOCs supporting WiFi that are quite capable of hosting a mini web server for that locally.

      Why limit it to 'locally'? There's no reason your home server couldn't be accessed remotely anywhere there's an Internet connection. ISP's don't like people running their own servers; but if there's enough pushback I can see them allowing it, especially with outbound data and speed caps to prevent people running their own music, movie, or porn servers.

      I think there's a market for IOT appliances which DON'T rely on transient subscription services that can turn expensive hardware into paperweights on a whim.

      • by sjames ( 1099 )

        I meant locally as in local to the device rather than cloud hosted. Accessibility outside the local LAN is an individual decision controlled by the firewall/router.

    • You can build a pet feeder with a Raspberry Pi Zero, servos, buckets and some python code.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

  • I thought it said:

    After Prolonged Service Outage, Planet Shuts Down, Citing Coronavirus.

  • I need an meat slicer to feed the cat under the door.

    • I need an meat slicer to feed the cat under the door.

      Install a pet door instead - no need to feed the poor creature under the door, and no slicing required. Just make sure the pet door doesn't rely on a Cloud service...

    • But how do you get the cat to stay in the meat slicer without it scratching you all up? And you must use a pretty thin setting to get the cat pieces small enough to fit under the door, does that take a while?

  • Same story (minus covid-19 angle) with the Feed and Go feeder. They suddenly shut down the cloud server that the app needed for scheduling.

Waste not, get your budget cut next year.

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