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Tesla Vehicles Can Now Recognize and Respond To Traffic Lights, Stop Signs (techcrunch.com) 96

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Properly equipped Tesla vehicles can now recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs thanks to a software update the company started pushing out to owners over the weekend. The software update had been available to a sliver of Tesla owners, some of whom had posted videos of the new capability. Now, the automaker is pushing the software update (2020.12.6) to the broader fleet. The feature isn't available in every Tesla vehicle on the road today. The vehicles must be equipped with the most recent Hardware 3 package and the fully optioned Autopilot package that the company has marketed as "full self-driving." The feature, called Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control, is designed to allow the vehicles to recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.

To be clear, Tesla vehicles are not self-driving and this feature has its limits. The feature slows properly equipped Tesla vehicles to a stop when using "traffic-aware cruise control" or "Autosteer." The vehicle will slow for all detected traffic lights, including green, blinking yellow and off lights, according to the software release notes. As the vehicle approaches an intersection, a notification will indicate the intention to slow down. The vehicle will then begin to slow down and stop at the red line shown on the driving visualization, which is on the center display. Owners must pull the Autopilot stalk once or manually press the accelerator pedal to continue through the stop line. Tesla said the feature is designed to be conservative at first. Owners will notice that it will slow down often and will not attempt to turn through intersections. "Over time, as we learn from the fleet, the feature will control more naturally," the company wrote in the release notes.
You can watch a demo of the new feature here.
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Tesla Vehicles Can Now Recognize and Respond To Traffic Lights, Stop Signs

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  • by ELCouz ( 1338259 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:34PM (#59998600)
    Dupe from last week
  • Oh, noes! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by msauve ( 701917 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:35PM (#59998602)
    It's been over 24 hours since a Tesla story!!! What to do? Re-use the last one [slashdot.org], obviously.
  • idiotic decision (Score:3, Interesting)

    by serbanp ( 139486 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:38PM (#59998610)

    The vehicle will slow for all detected traffic lights, including green

    Not even the Waymo cars are doing that.

    Braking without reason for a green light should be illegal. It's certainly unexpected and will result in rear-ending accidents, with the poor schmucks hitting these Teslas being left on the hook for the extortion-like costs to repair them.

    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:54PM (#59998648) Journal

      It's certainly unexpected and will result in rear-ending accidents, with the poor schmucks hitting these Teslas being left on the hook for the extortion-like costs to repair them.

      It's their fault. Leave adequate following distance.

      • by serbanp ( 139486 )

        I challenge you to be able to safely brake 100% on time when the car ahead of you keeps braking randomly, without any reason.

        But maybe drivers will bake in time into their reflexes to expect that Teslas will act stupidly whenever they're approaching an intersection.

        • If you follow standard safe driving leaving a 3-6 second gap between you and the car in front of you. Yes you can be safe.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            3-6 second gap between you and the car in front of you

            Riiiiiiight. Then anyone and everyone just pulls in front of you, killing your gap. Then you slow down to restore your gap, pissing off the people behind you, who honk and flip you off. Then someone pulls in front of you again because there's a gap.. rinse, repeat infinitely, until you either get where you're going, get pulled over and ticketed for driving erratically, or just give up and stay home.

            • You're not going to get pulled over and ticketed for that.
              • At least in California, it is illegal to drive too slow or stop randomly [shouselaw.com]. I wonder if Tesla will pay your $238 ticket for randomly slowing down/stopping at times that will impede traffic (slowing down for a green light, for instance)...
                • Nothing in your post is in context, it doesn't relate to the post you replied to. Maybe you meant to reply to a different post.
                  • by Khyber ( 864651 )

                    The entire post is in context and I understood it just fine as such. Are you just forgetting how to read and comprehend?

                    • He's one of my trolls. They don't like my politics, so they attack and downmod every post possible. It's the modern SJW way...
                    • I'm sorry you can't follow a thread? Rick Schumann described a specific style of driving [slashdot.org], that has nothing to do with driving erratically or too slowly. LynwoodRooster said it is illegal to drive too slow or stop randomly. OK, but Rick Schumann didn't say anything about driving too slow or stopping randomly. Off topic, and you don't understand.
                    • Please see my post. If you are driving too slow, lots of people (at least here in California) will continue to go around you. If you're getting "cut off" all the time for leaving a huge 3-6 second space between you and the car in front - that's an indication you're probably driving too slow. How slow is too slow? In California, not keeping up with traffic is considered too slow. That would also lead to the situation of always being passed and "cut off". That's a ticketable offense. Sorry if you canno
                    • If you're leaving a 3-6 second space between you and the car in front, you are driving the same speed as the car in front of you.
                    • Until someone safely occupies that space (cutting a long 4 second gap to 2). Now you slow down. And then the cut again. And again.
                    • Oh for fuck's sake.. do you not drive at all? Chauffered or something? Just call Uber? Not own a car?
                      Or maybe you just don't drive in California therefore you don't understand how it is *here*.
                      IDGAF what driving is wherever the hell it is *you* are, that's how it is *here*: unless there is NO TRAFFIC, you can't leave a '3-6 second gap' in front of you, someone will take advantage of it and pull in front of you. Then what I said completely applies. [slashdot.org]

                      It's not like that where *I* live, therefore it has to be that way *everywhere* too!

                      Nope. Try getting out of your own state once in a while, I

              • Oh I dunno, if you get a cop at exactly the wrong time and place, and he's annoyed about your speed varying constantly and/or braking constantly, he'll find a reason to pull you over, and he'll find a reason to ticket you. Might even give you a drunk test. Why? Because you're not driving like everyone else. I have a name for people who drive totally differently than everyone else and stand out in the crowd: 'Bait'.
                • A cop can pull you over for whatever when they feel like that.
                  Your car is too nice for the neighborhood they will pull you over.

                  I once got pulled over because the cop explained that my Plate number was reported stolen (but from a different State) but a New York cop can't tell the difference of a New York Plate vs another state is really pushing it. It was a boring night, he decided to pull me over to see if I was drunk. Then let me go after finding I was sober.

                  However normal people stop at Greenlights as

            • by mu22le ( 766735 )

              3-6 second gap between you and the car in front of you

              Riiiiiiight. Then anyone and everyone just pulls in front of you, killing your gap. Then you slow down to restore your gap, pissing off the people behind you, who honk and flip you off. Then someone pulls in front of you again because there's a gap.. rinse, repeat infinitely, until you either get where you're going, get pulled over and ticketed for driving erratically, or just give up and stay home.

              Yes, humans are idiots, and that is exactly the reason why I can't wait for self driving cars :)

              • Suuuuure. Your shitty so-called 'self driving car' will get pulled over constantly for clogging up traffic, because it will insist on driving no faster than the posted speed limit, regardless of the actual traffic flow, and people will be piling up behind you, passing you constantly, and you'll stick out like a sore thumb to the cops, who will pull you over and ticket you anyway.

                Oh but Rick we'll BAN all human driven cars and make everyone have SDCs with no controls for them to use!

                Keep dreaming, that's all that will ever be is some weird dream. No one is giving up driving, SDCs will never catch on, and I gues

          • Three to six seconds? Two seconds [wikipedia.org] is about what you need. Unless you want to cut traffic density by a factor of 3...
            • I would preference that this is based on the weather. I find that I tend to do two seconds myself, however with hills and another road conditions I find 3 seconds good. Rain, Snow, Fog and Ice really makes my gap much further.

          • If you are unexpectedly slowly moving or decelerating under a green light that hasn't recently changed from red, you are greatly increasing your chances of getting rear ended.

            That's almost up there with speeding past a lane of slower moving traffic. You can do that. You can say the accident wasn't your fault until you're blue in the face and it won't undo the accident. You can come back here and cry about your insurance rate going up when you "didn't do it" too.

            • Rear ending is the responsibility of the driver behind you, unless there is some particular circumstances. Such as passing a car, cutting them off then slamming your breaks. But for most driving condiions if there is a rearend it is your fault.

              I had rear-ended a car once, this was because there was an other car tailgating me, so I was trying to get some speed and the car in front of me stopped really fast. So I was responsible. After that I will rather be a jerk to the guy tailgating me, and keep my dista

        • by fred911 ( 83970 )

          " bake in time into their reflexes to expect that Teslas will act stupidly"

          Why assume or expect for a given. Know that every vehicle sharing the road, is either drunk, aggressive or distracted. It makes it so much easier to operate in a safe and defensive manner.

          Otherwise, it's quite the possibility that your placing trust in a human you don't know won't cause you harm. Until it does, and your method of operation causes property or personal harm. At that point you may understand my thought process.

        • It's a non-fucking-issue if you're not out-driving your stopping distance and your reaction times.

          Fact is, most who have driver's licenses shouldn't, and you're clearly no exception.

        • I challenge you to be able to safely brake 100% on time when the car ahead of you keeps braking randomly, without any reason.

          If that sounds like a difficult challenge to you, then increase your following distance. Or else you have a rear-end accident in your future.

        • I would have absolutely no problem with braking in time 100% of the time. If you have a problem with that it means you are driving too close to the car in front, and yes most people do drive way to close to the car in front. bad drivers are everywhere sadly and most think it is not them that is the bad driver.
        • That's when you just pull over and let them get a good mile ahead of you -- right after you get the license plate number. Then when you're pulled over safely you call the cops and report the drunk driver.
          ..oh, it's a 'self driving car'? Well there's your problem! *arrest the driver for operating an unsafe vehicle* problem solved!
      • by Livius ( 318358 )

        It's their fault. Leave adequate following distance.

        In legal jurisdictions I am familiar with, the driver in the rear vehicle will be at fault.

        However, it's still an error to stop inappropriately - any accident where the Tesla misinterprets a green light will be terrible publicity.

        • If the driver is approaching an intersection and is not cognizant enough to notice and counteract the slow braking of the car as well as any additional internal alerts, I'm pretty sure the shouldnt be driving anyway.

          • by Livius ( 318358 )

            If the driver is approaching an intersection and is not cognizant enough to notice and counteract the slow braking of the car as well as any additional internal alerts, I'm pretty sure the shouldnt be driving anyway.

            My point is the car in front shouldn't be driving either. And not all braking is slow.

      • No. In some states, like California where Tesla is HQ'd, intentionally hitting your brakes with a car behind you in a non-braking situation is an offense. And if anyone gets hurt badly or it was determined to be malicious then it can be charged as a felony.

        Nice try blaming the victim behind the badly programmed Tesla but the law and the insurance companies both say you're dead wrong and so is Tesla.
        • No. In some states, like California where Tesla is HQ'd, intentionally hitting your brakes with a car behind you in a non-braking situation is an offense. And if anyone gets hurt badly or it was determined to be malicious then it can be charged as a felony.

          Oh yeah? You're going to prove that the car was malicious?

          • Welcome to /. home of the ocd basement dwellers who think they're clever when clearly totally missing the point.

            I shall explain s-l-o-w-o-l-y.

            The poster I replied to said it is the responsibility of the driver in back to not hit the driver in front.

            I corrected that by explaining what the law is in the home state where Tesla is head quartered and does their build and design work.

            This means the poster was wrong.

            No one said the car was committing a malicious act.

            I can't explain any slower if you still don't ge
            • by jbengt ( 874751 )

              The poster I replied to said it is the responsibility of the driver in back to not hit the driver in front.

              I corrected that by explaining what the law is in the home state where Tesla is head quartered and does their build and design work.

              You may have pointed out the law in the state Tesla is headquartered (I don't know, citation needed) but you did not correct the statement that it is the responsibility of the driver in back to not hit the driver in front. The poster you tried to correct was not wrong

              • By definition, as decided by the people who have determined what correct driving is and who is at fault, namely the law and the insurance companies, in Tesla's home state, if the driving in front inappropriately hits their brakes cruising and accident the driving at front is at fault. Period. There is no simpler way to put it.

                You may -feel- otherwise but the facts are different than your feelings. I have now explained this several times. Feel free to google for California law if you still care. I'm not
            • The poster I replied to said it is the responsibility of the driver in back to not hit the driver in front.

              This is 100% true.

              I corrected that by explaining what the law is in the home state where Tesla is head quartered and does their build and design work.

              Do you have a legal citation? We can look at it and investigate how it might apply in this situation.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        In the UK it will go 50/50 at best if someone brakes for no reason, at worst they could be entirely liable.

    • by fred911 ( 83970 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:56PM (#59998658) Journal

      "with the poor schmucks hitting these Teslas being left on the hook"

      Except, one is required operate a vehicle at an appropriate speed and distance. If you rear end a vehicle, you are 100 percent responsible for the damage you cause to the vehicle you damaged due to not operating your vehicle in a safe manner.

      He stopped too quickly, breaked for no reason, doesn't cut it. Even if the driver in front of you breaked for what you think is no reason, you're still 100% responsable.

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      • entirely true. But completely unrealistic. The reality is bad drivers cause accidents, doing unexpected things makes it far more likely that a bad or distracted driver will cause an accident. I always use my mother as an example, she always follows the road rules yet is miraculously in a huge amount of accidents, it isn't bad luck it is because she does unexpected things like give way when she has right of way or breaking at intersections unexpectedly, she is completely legally in the right, but that doesn'
      • by msauve ( 701917 )
        >you're still 100% responsable.

        "Brake checking" has been prosecuted (typically as reckless driving or similar).
      • No, wrong, not in California, Tesla's home state. Braking like that is chargeable and if anyone is hurt the driver in front can be hit with a felony charge.
      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        "If you rear end a vehicle, you are 100 percent responsible for the damage you cause"

        Nope. Hooray dashcams. I've caught a dickhead pulling in front of me and slamming on their brakes. When they pulled in front of me, there might have been three inches of space between my bumper and theirs.

        Court ruled the dickhead driver to be at fault and also filed charges of reckless endangerment against him.

        And I get a 'new' Saab out of the deal from the dickhead's insurance company.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Rear end collisions are not always the car behind's fault, at least not in the UK. If they brake for no good reason they are at least partially liable. If they reverse they are liable. If they cut you off and then brake they are liable.

        The video is pretty scary. See how the car doesn't notice cyclists? And around the 6 minute mark it starts to glitch out really badly, with the autopilot icon flickering as it drops in and out. Then it doesn't seem to recognize the traffic lights at all and the display stars

    • At this point this feature is in beta. So stopping (or require manual intervention) is a safer method then just driving pas a light it thinks is green.

      Self driving isn’t 100% set your destination and go to sleep. It still requires intervention and attention. Consider auto pilot is like teaching a teen ager to drive a car. They can rather quickly stay on the road, but they will freak out at different points. Where the adult will need to provide instruction or tell them to stop.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It's not really beta, it's making their customers do free work training their AI for them. They obviously failed to come up with decent training data any other way so are now trying to get drivers to provide it for them.

        • How is this different from any other Beta public releases.

          Beta Testers normally want to see the latest and greatest. Often the software company will either sell it to them at a reduced cost or sometimes for free. With the idea that they will provide bugs and suggestions to the product.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Main difference is that usually beta software at worst will format your hard drive by mistake, where as Tesla beta software can cause a deadly crash and kill other people.

            Uber demonstrated that a while back. Tesla has so far only managed to kill its own customers.

    • Good thing you:
      1. have to opt in to turning this on
      2. are told in no uncertain terms that it will do this, and you have to press the autopilot stalk to cancel the slowing

      So guess what, nobody is turning this on that doesn't want to help collect data.

    • by AvitarX ( 172628 )
      Does it brake, or does it coast?

      It seems to me a slight coast with an indication the driver needs to assess the situation and verify continuing through the light makes sense.

      I know in drivers ed and defensive driving that's basically what we were taught.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Remember that sometimes the driver will be asleep. Since Tesla refuse to make the driver attention more sensitive they have to make the feature fail-safe, which apparently means stopping in the middle of the road waiting to be read-ended at high speed.

        • by AvitarX ( 172628 )
          That's what I was thinking.

          But also, I can see how an indication of upcoming intersection, and an easy intervention after double checking safety is a nice feature.

          It doesn't lull into false safety, and it allows for one to be more alert for cross traffic, and if the light is red, to allow it to stop.

          It's like the ACC in my current car (generally needs intervention to start after a stop), but treats all intersections as slowing/stopped traffic.
    • by uncqual ( 836337 )

      Slowing for green lights shouldn't cause accidents directly (but, yes, it may because of inattentive drivers). However, doing so will delay traffic and create traffic congestion when the road is near capacity. This will increase CO2 emissions, waste time, etc. I would consider such unnecessary braking to be in the same category as impeding traffic or not keeping in the right lane if going slower than others in your lane or just jamming on one's brakes when driving down the freeway at 75MPH for no reason.

      In

    • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

      The reason is it's a traffic light and it may change. But I do feel that braking is going too far unless it was driving at an inappropriate speed already. Sometimes for traffic lights I coast in anticipation of the lights possibly changing but braking for a green light is a step too far.

      TBH I think Tesla owners are fools for believing the hype about self-driving and paying for it years before it is ready or proven possible with the cars that were sold. Tesla has done an amazing job of going from nothing to

    • The rule of the road is that if you hit the car in front of you, it's your fault; you were too close, going to fast, or not paying attention. It can't be illegal to use your goddamn brakes, for fuck's sake.

  • Can it recognize when it sees the same traffic light twice in a row?

  • Fixing the /. dupe issue!
  • The vehicle will slow for all detected traffic lights, including green

    Elon Tusk does not understand traffic lights.

  • Perhaps a bad confluence of words?

  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday April 27, 2020 @08:32PM (#59998744)

    I thinks Tesla method towards self driving is probably the best we can do. Give partial self driving where there is a benefit. Use it to record results and improve and release a better partial self driving.

    The Google and Uber self driving has little to show for over the past few years. Just more tests.
    Tesla is at least giving us progress that we can digest.

    • In a note sent to a group of Tesla owners who were chosen to test the red light recognition function and stop signs, the company noted that it can be used with Autosteer or Traffic Aware Cruise Control systems. 123movies free [upenn.edu]
    • Five years ago Google was ahead of where Tesla is now.

      As for Uber, let's just hope they don't kill more people.
      • Where can I buy my google car?
        Oh I cant. Because it isn't ready for consumer use yet.

        Google is relying on high-quality maps and lidar. These high-quality maps are in essence GPS based rails. However, when roads change and there are additional concerns the software may not be as flexible.
        Tesla's design is far more flexible and adaptable to different problems. And I can buy technology where it is today.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      That's not true. Waymo just completed a "1000 mile challenge" where they car did it entirely autonomously without any human intervention.

      Waymo has a live taxi service and is now rolling out the latest version of their driver software and vehicles that will let them expand it. They are way, way ahead of Tesla with a reliable, safe level 4 system. Tesla is stuck on level 2 and even than isn't very reliable.

      • That's not true. Waymo just completed a "1000 mile challenge" where they car did it entirely autonomously without any human intervention.

        I think you're referring to the recent blog post about the series of 1000-mile challenges that Waymo (then Google) completed in 2009-2010.

        Waymo has a live taxi service and is now rolling out the latest version of their driver software and vehicles that will let them expand it. They are way, way ahead of Tesla with a reliable, safe level 4 system. Tesla is stuck on level 2 and even than isn't very reliable.

        Agreed. Tesla makes great cars (I own one and am contemplating buying another), but I think they're overly optimistic about AutoPilot.

  • What can they stop the signs from doing?
  • I am not that interested in the simple intersection places. I am pretty sure it would work pretty reliably with that.

    I would like to see how it works when you have a 5-street intersection where one approach has 4 possible independent green/red lights: left, shallow left, straight, and right. And then for the fun of it another 4-way intersection less than 50 feet after the first. A RR grade crossing separates those two intersections.

    I am describing intersections I have driven. Yet I don't see Tesla

    • by radoni ( 267396 )

      This first beta (wide release not early access) is about 50%/50% whether it will stop for flashing caution "Be ready, be alert, traffic pattern changing ahead!" signs ahead of actual intersections or merely detect them and slow for a non-descript traffic control device.

      The reason of making this wide release is to train the computational model for those kinds of oddball circumstances.

      Driving with the feature enabled takes some adjustment from the driver. It feels more like a video game at every intersection.

  • So all those traffic light CAPTCHA images I've been clicking are finally being used?

    • by gavron ( 1300111 )

      Man, I was just going to post that!

      Yes now they know what
      - crosswalks
      - traffic lights
      - pedestrians
      - bicycles
      are. Now if only they'd have CAPTCHAS with pictures of famous political figures (choose your country and figures) and we could put big target signs on them... that would be awesome.

      E

  • "Tesla Vehicles Can Now Recognize and Respond To Traffic Lights, Stop Signs"

    This puts Tesla's machines ahead of about half of the 80-and-over human drivers I know.

  • by fintux ( 798480 ) on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @03:13AM (#59999380)

    How can something be marketed as "full self-driving" when stopping at traffic lights and stop lights comes later as an experimental software update? Unlike "autopilot" or "cruise control", this cannot be interpreted as "full self-driving (note: not actually fully self-driving)". So what else is missing? This is begging for accidents and lawsuits.

  • Tesla Vehicles Can Now Recognize and Respond To Traffic Lights, Stop Signs

    Uh, what the hell were they doing before this update?

    The vehicles must be equipped with the most recent Hardware 3 package

    So if you have an older vehicle you'll never have a fully self-driving car? Hasn't Musk been telling us all these years that your car will increase in value because of his software updates to make it fully driving?

  • ... when all vehicles are fully autonomous, and there are no lights (at non-pedestrian intersections). Just vehicles flying through the intersection at silly speeds, all carefully coordinated by our AI overlord(s).

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