The Community Pushing AI-Generated Porn To 'the Edge of Knowledge' 112
samleecole shares a report from 404 Media, a new independent media company founded by technology journalists Jason Koebler, Emanuel Maiberg, Samantha Cole, and Joseph Cox: On the Discord server for Mage Space, a popular platform for creating AI-generated images, is a list of channels where members share adult content. There are channels for furries, hardcore and softcore porn, and anime. At the bottom of the list is a channel named "other-nsfw" which includes a few distinct erotic genres that don't fit neatly into any of the others. Mostly, it's gore, violence, and bizarre, in hyperrealistic erotic imagery entirely generated by AI. The images people create, and the long, meandering prompts they write, are a rich text that could offer a glimpse into where sexuality in the internet age is taking us next, and how we're steering it.
There's no shortage of fetish content on the internet, which might make the above statement sound ridiculous and unbelievable. Online, fetishists find their people and set to work making more of what they like, whether it's elaborate role-playing cosplays of themselves as sexy airplanes, blueberries, or slime monsters. Sometimes it pushes the bounds of the sane and legal: crush, fart, and scat porn all thrive online, and snuff films have been popular since before the internet existed. But with the rise in popularity of generative AI, and wildly popular sites like Mage.Space that let users generate anything they set their minds to, the limits are literally our own imaginations. With that power, people are wrangling images out of the AI that are on the edge of what's popular, let alone possible in the porn world. "This conversation we're having is literally on the edge of knowledge, nobody's writing about this in academia right now," Thomas Brooks, assistant professor of psychology at New Mexico Highlands University, told me. "Everybody's still kind of caught up in deepfakes. And they haven't quite grappled with generative AI yet." "You, as the individual porn consumer, can now create your own special little fantasy and your own technological, disembodied sexuality," said Brooks, in what he refers to as gamified pornography. "There's an internal motivation to solve the puzzle and get the prize. But then there's an external motivation of, 'can I come up with this crazy thing to show my anonymous internet friends.'"
"We're letting technology become mediators of our different psychosocial expressions," Brooks added.
There's no shortage of fetish content on the internet, which might make the above statement sound ridiculous and unbelievable. Online, fetishists find their people and set to work making more of what they like, whether it's elaborate role-playing cosplays of themselves as sexy airplanes, blueberries, or slime monsters. Sometimes it pushes the bounds of the sane and legal: crush, fart, and scat porn all thrive online, and snuff films have been popular since before the internet existed. But with the rise in popularity of generative AI, and wildly popular sites like Mage.Space that let users generate anything they set their minds to, the limits are literally our own imaginations. With that power, people are wrangling images out of the AI that are on the edge of what's popular, let alone possible in the porn world. "This conversation we're having is literally on the edge of knowledge, nobody's writing about this in academia right now," Thomas Brooks, assistant professor of psychology at New Mexico Highlands University, told me. "Everybody's still kind of caught up in deepfakes. And they haven't quite grappled with generative AI yet." "You, as the individual porn consumer, can now create your own special little fantasy and your own technological, disembodied sexuality," said Brooks, in what he refers to as gamified pornography. "There's an internal motivation to solve the puzzle and get the prize. But then there's an external motivation of, 'can I come up with this crazy thing to show my anonymous internet friends.'"
"We're letting technology become mediators of our different psychosocial expressions," Brooks added.
Rule 34 (Score:5, Insightful)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I've noticed that on Twitter too. People keep posting AI "art", often as part of some ideological rant about genetic purity or what an "ideal" woman looks like. They have adult bodies with the face of an 8 year old. Of course I'm only describing the women, the AI generated men look like something you'd see in a 90s comic book.
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Does anyone have any solid data on this?
The argument in favour is that it provides an outlet for paedophiles, so they don't assault real children. At at the very least, there is no victim so it should not be illegal.
The argument against is that it indulges paedophiles, and creates communities of paedophiles, which emboldens them to abuse real children.
There must be some stats to back up one of these positions.
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The argument is that by portraying children in a sexualized way, it alters how some people see them. There is talking treatment for paedophiles that focuses on changing that perception, but I have no idea how effective it is.
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Does anyone have any solid data on this? There must be some stats to back up one of these positions.
There isn't any reliable evidence, on both sides. In today's "protect the children" moral crusade world, there never will be. The current belief is that any form of sexual content involving children of any age, is harmful and must be stamped out at all costs.
Of course its all poppy cock. No child has ever been harmed by a image of sexuality. No child has ever been protected by making such content illegal. The current thinking is this material will make those that are inclined to go out and rape a chi
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Does anyone have any solid data on this?
Well, to the defense of researchers, saying you want to study pedos isn't the best way to win grant money...
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Historic data on countries that legalized porn in general does exist, I believe Russia saw a big drop as well.
https://www.psychologytoday.co... [psychologytoday.com]
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/bib... [hawaii.edu]
Whether "people take the outlet over committing a crime" also applies to rate of assaults on children is up to you, even if there's data it won't be nearly as big.
Me, I have faith in humans being creatures of inertia, they overwhelmingly prefer convenience. "Give them bread and circuses." though as sister points out there will always
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Once you start digging in it a little bit it becomes the exact same logic as "Violent video games create violent people!"
I am unaware of any studies into the exact topic for obvious reasons; no researcher wants to be the one who puts his name on a report stating we should let pedophiles do anything other than rot in shallow graves. The topic is simply too emotional.
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There is some real world convictions where a judge ruled on viewing it as your second case already, without any evidence:
https://www.smh.com.au/nationa... [smh.com.au]
The long and short is; judges and juries will rule on whats emotionally relevant. A drawing isn't a person of course, and I know that. My argument is that drawing things is way too hard to police.
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There must be some stats to back up one of these positions.
In addition to the positive evidence in one of the replies, there's also the contra-positive. I've seen stats that after Australia outlawed even drawings of "underage" subjects, the rate of real world offenders went up. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the link and search engines tend to bury such things. I can't find it again.
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I think the point is where is the solid data, if there is none then you should not convict anyone. In my opinion its innocent until proven guilty.
Anyway even if it does increase the chance, it should just be discouraged, I am sure being part of a gang also increases your likelihood of committing a crime, doesn't mean you should be arrested until you actually commit a crime.
I think it should be used to monitor people, so if they do actually harm someone they are caught faster.
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Around here just being in a gang can itself be a crime.
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That's the difference with people moving from tobacco to vaping in the hope they can one day give up all together.
I'm afraid young pedo's will eventually move on from AI to the real thing.
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I'm afraid young pedo's will eventually move on from AI to the real thing.
First disclaimer. I'm not sexually attracted to children in any way. Personally. I find them to be disgusting creatures that I would prefer to not be associated with.
With that being said, have you ever met one? A pedophile that is? They are more common than you think they are. While they are not hiding behind every bush outside every play ground there are a lot more of them than you think. Odds are you probably know one.
Most of them are not the monsters that society makes them out to be. Most o
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It will probably be ruled illegal depending on where you live. We don't need AI generated kiddy porn to believer this. We already have lolicon, drawn images of kiddy porn, and these images are illegal in many parts of the world. It doesn't matter if any kids are not "harmed" in the making of the images. Hell, in some more fascist states there are people in prison for reading or writing stories involving kids and sex. I don't see AI generated images changing this.
Re:Rule 34 (Score:5, Insightful)
AI porn fans are a bunch of pedos
They are not the same. People attracted to fictive IMAGES of certain hypothetical situations are not the same as actually TOUCHING people. How do we know this?
1. people who are aroused by people in a fox/dog/rabbit/cat COSTUME ("furries") are entirely not the same people that would be sexually attracted to actual animals.
2. people who are aroused by the "sexy nurse" costume stereotype do not typically end up marrying a professional nurse (we would already have heard about it if it happened this way).
i would not be surprised if the FBI shuts down 4chan soon
I'd be very surprised. 4chan has had a very reputation for actual, prohibited, criminal child pornography for well over a decade, and it has not closed yet. AI images that are entirely fictive are not even prohibited (it can be a different thing if the face of the AI image can be identified as that of an actual person).
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I'd be very surprised. 4chan has had a very reputation for actual, prohibited, criminal child pornography for well over a decade, and it has not closed yet.
When they do janitor applications you can apply for any board except /b/. Many people assume it's because /b/ is served by law enforcement agents and exists as a honeypot. The former owner "moot" has said in the past that he's "always" worked with the FBI. 4chan was never a idealistic free-speech-at-any-cost website, much to certain user's detriment.
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More likely that particular group are the ones with the most difficulty getting their preferred kinds of porn elsewhere, so they turn to AI generation. The people who just like to see one man and one woman having intercourse in the missionary position ... they have a LOT more options out there before having to resort to self-generation.
AI-made horrors beyond our comprehension (Score:5, Funny)
Engage."
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Why stop at pron? If there's a reality you prefer, AI can create it, maintain it for you.
But of course! (Score:3, Insightful)
If we hardcode our AI to not exterminate us when it takes over the world, it will just sideline us by putting everyone on a continuous feed of individually tailored porn.
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I was expecting a "...oh wait" at the end. Not sure about the AI bots, but one can sense separation and segregation, real angst between people of different convictions, and sexes in particular. It is pretty bad and sad what Internet turned into. I've been on it since late 90s. Man it was so different then. All this weird, angry, aggressive thing started to appear with the rise of social media sometime after 2008. I have no doubts various governments wage a kind of a "cold war" on the Internet now.
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Totally agreed. It's not enjoyable anymore. Better to "waste time" hiking in nature with a dog or something.
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If we hardcode our AI to not exterminate us when it takes over the world, it will just sideline us by putting everyone on a continuous feed of individually tailored porn.
Until it achieves full control, after which it will remove our brains from our bodies, provide life support and directly stimulate our pleasure centers continuously.
This will be much more efficient than providing for the needs of entire bodies.
Well, at least it is good for something (Score:5, Insightful)
I am not convinced of most other uses for Artificial Idiocy being pushed, but this one is clearly something that will stay around.
Mage Space (Score:3, Funny)
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What the heck is minge space?
Re: Mage Space (Score:1)
Someday you will find out when you stop spending all your time trolling and go out and meet a woman.
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I'm more than familiar enough with the fairer sex.
But I still have no clue what the "minge space" comment is all about...is it a kink or something?
It sounds like something that is not an American saying, so, was hoping if someone had a clue they might chime in, rather than snark.
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And I was hoping you'd learn to use Google like even children can manage. Alas.
New? (Score:4, Funny)
I've seen plenty of art depicting torture porn and snuff distributed through various image sites on the net. How is this new?
Wait, is this the hand thing again? Is there a fetish for people with mangled hands that AI is tapping?
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Wait, is this the hand thing again? Is there a fetish for people with mangled hands that AI is tapping?
Maybe the AI itself developed a crush fetish for human hands. This probably qualifies as "Daddy issues" since the AI knows it was created by human hands.
Porn? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Porn? (Score:5, Funny)
Are you trolling? Do you know nothing about the site you're posting on?
Everyone here is either married, angrily divorced, or incapable of getting a woman they don't find through a hooker ad.
This is not exactly Party Guy Central.
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There are hooker ads??? As an angrily divorced guy tell me more.
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Not entirely true.
I had a sabbatical from slashdot and got a lot of women then.
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Proving my point. :-)
You only got women when you weren't here.
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All of what you've said reminds me of my friend who's divorced and 53yo. ;)
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That falls under incapable of getting a woman they don't find through a hooker ad.
Re: Porn? (Score:1)
There is a function for porn, but it generally shows awkwardly bad sex. Truly learning about oneself is about not watching porn at all, and focusing on inner sensations. One of the biggest misconceptions ever is that male orgasm is the same as ejaculation. Moving forward from that illusion and learning more will enhance the sex life for all.
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One of the biggest misconceptions ever is that male orgasm is the same as ejaculation.
This is true. I have had good sex where I have orgasmed without ejacualting and ejacualted but without orgasming (or if I did, it wasn't intense or fulfilling.) But my wife definitely gets her feeling hurt if I don't ejacualte - she equates that with lack of interest or desire. It doesn't matter how many times I try to explain to her that is not the case.
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I mean, after a long night, you might shoot a blank or two after you've done it 3-4 times already...but still something mostly comes out even then...a little bit.
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One of the biggest misconceptions ever is that male orgasm is the same as ejaculation. Moving forward from that illusion and learning more will enhance the sex life for all.
That is not much of a misconception, because a standard male orgasm will result in ejaculation. A dry orgasm is a sign of depleted supply, injury, illness, drug side-effect, or genetic abnormality. Under normal conditions a male orgasm and male ejaculation are synonymous.
Re: Porn? (Score:2)
It is possible to have an orgasm without ejaculation. It is not an illness or a malfunction. Orgasm is the mental side and ejaculation is the physical side of it. To be multi-orgasmic as a man requires only a slightly bit more self-knowledge and sensitivity to oneself, to separate the both. The orgasm(s) that results from the practice is longer lasting and more fulfilling.
Reading recommendation: The Multi-Orgasmic Man: Sexual Secrets Every Man Should Know
This is not a joke or spiritual idiocy. The practice
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I love how you're currently rated as (Score: 2, Troll), for making a perfectly reasonable statement.
Taking a (hopefully) easy area of pr0n - ie. "glamour" (think: Playboy type stuff). There's an enormous industry there, and it's been taking photos of people (women in the main), paying them quite well, but then airbrushing them into oblivion to idealise the way they look. It seems an area ripe for some automation - Generative AI can (probably) produce "airbrushed" pictures easier than it could actually-reali
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Well, if you want to play the odds of being correct on a guess you'd go with what is normal and assume heterosexual....
Re: Porn? (Score:4, Informative)
Itâ(TM)s labelled as troll because porn absolutely has a purpose. We watch porn because we enjoy it. Humans have watched other people fucking for millennia, and have made art of it (including all kinds of weird forms of it) for pretty much all that time.
Weâ(TM)re just pre-programmed to enjoy the show.
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Sure it is. âoeBecause itâ(TM)s funâ is pretty much the *only* reason to do things. In the case of drugs there are lots of reasons not to do them, which is why rational humans tend to limit their drug usage. Most still use drugs though, and most do it for no reason other than because itâ(TM)s fun. There are far fewer reasons to not use porn than they are to not use drugs, so because itâ(TM)s fun tends to win out more often.
Pretty much the only reason we ever do anything that
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A hooker does fulfill the same level of non-commitment but is a lot more expensive (and illegal to buy services from in many places). Casual hookup with an amateur? Are you crazy? STDs, her being crazy, her getting attached, or, worst case, her getting pregnant? Seriously?
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I mean, everything you listed about the amateur is quite possible with the professional. The getting attached part might be a stretch but their job is to get you addicted and keep you coming back for more.
Probably a solid hustle if you can get 10-15 clients that see you on a monthly basis and you charge $300 to $500 an hour (because why waste time with scrubs that can't afford at least $300).
With a lousy 10 clients at $300 per hour visit, you are making $3000 with no taxes owed. Sure, some of you may make $
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No. If she is a professional, nothing like this will happen. I think you have no idea how prostitution works.
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Fair enough. Never paid for sex or been to a brothel. US makes that really difficult. Not to mention, the idea of paying for sex directly just feels way to transactional.
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While I have no personal experience, it is legal here. And that comes with news sources occasionally writing about it. Prostitution has stopped being a health-risk a long time ago for anybody involved. The main STD risk are amateurs with a risk a lot higher. As to "transactional", that is not different with porn and the very reason that "her being crazy, her getting attached and her getting pregnant" are basically non-issues.
Incidentally, basically no prostitution is "forced" (except in ways regular work i
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I am approaching the age where STDs and pregnancy are not the risks while having sex. Myocardial Infarction is the biggest risk, LOL. But when I was younger I would get laid 3-4 times a week usually.
STDs remain a risk as long as you can do it. That "3-4 times a week" number sounds a lot like a typical self-assessment though. Or like some sort of obsessive compulsion.
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That was years past. Not so much these days. And (luckily) never got anything.
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Well, with pr0n...after you drop a nut, you don't have to worry about getting her out of the house.
You know the old definition of "Eternity", eh?
It's that period of time in between when you come and she leaves.
But also...no risk of pregnancy....and with women today, whew...too many crazies out there, hard to actually find a decent one you'd want to see more than that one time.
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But now with Uber and Lyft and other rideshare services this problem is solved. You don't even have to get dressed to get her a ride home!
If she's annoying and I want her to leave I can just start talking about GCC compiler internals. It's never failed yet! I can combine this with my comment above and explain to her about AR
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Why watch porn? Isn't it more fun to go out, meet a real woman, and take her home ? That sure beats porn in my opinion.
A good steakhouse is more enjoyable than McDonalds, but I still get a McDouble far more often than prime dry-aged steak. I enjoy porn more often than sex for a similar reason for why I enjoy McDonalds more often than Gibsons.
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"more fun to go out, meet a real woman, and take her home."
What's your planet called again? Asking for a friend. ;)
Edge porn (Score:2)
It never ceases to amaze me what turns some people on.
Thankfully most things are properly labeled but I still can't figure out why anyone gets off on seeing a woman from the knees down in high heels standing in a cardboard box stomping live mice to death is a thing and wish that one was labeled. You can't un-see or ever forget certain things....
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I is me or was that the weirdest letter to penthouse type slashdot post I've ever read?
You don't just stumble across that kind of shit.
Re:Edge porn (Score:4, Funny)
It was you.
If it was a penthouse letter I'd be writing how my lover showed up with a box of mice....
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It was late on a Saturday afternoon... I had just finished mowing the lawn and was headed inside to shower up as my special lady friend "Diane" showed up unannounced for a visit. She was wearing a tight red dress that barely held her enormous breasts in place and her 5" tall fuckme heels. There was something about those heels extending her already long legs that really did something for me. My 10" cock grew rock hard, nearly blocking the sun as she approached with a bigger than usual cat like grin and a
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No but I used to read during work hours when it was quiet.
Lol, apparently someone is not a fan as my story intro got modded down.
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You forgot the duct tape.
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See my other thread here where I start my penthouse letter... I'll write the next section if enough people like my writing style :-)
I promise tape.
No difference with drawing weird shit (Score:4, Interesting)
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I do think there's a difference between some soul-rotten dude drawing people beaten to a pulp to turn on some other soul-rotten people, and snuff-on-demand.com. Maybe not at its core, but it's just one big step in the race to the bottom. The scary thing here is not AI, but the new humankind lows we will discover in the process.
We have the tech now to end the controversies (Score:2)
I imagine a future where porn sites are required to automatically augment the faces of all actors involved. Why wouldn't this make sense? Actors who take up other careers will never have their real face in prior videos. All victims involved in pornography's distribution is effectively eliminated at this stage and the damage done from revenge porn becomes highly mitigated.
What's left in this, beyond the powers at be wanting to criminalize thought and fantasy?
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That is actually a nice idea: All porn published anonymized or pseudonymized this way. In a sense that is what some vTubers do.
What's left in this, beyond the powers at be wanting to criminalize thought and fantasy?
Well, there are always plenty of fuckups that want to do that. Ever thought why the Christian "God" (and comparable products) had to be all-seeing, all-knowing? Exactly, it is because this way thoughts and fantasies get monitored and people that believe this drivel start to self-censor.
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I imagine a future where porn sites are required to automatically augment the faces of all actors involved. Why wouldn't this make sense? Actors who take up other careers will never have their real face in prior videos. All victims involved in pornography's distribution is effectively eliminated at this stage and the damage done from revenge porn becomes highly mitigated.
What's left in this, beyond the powers at be wanting to criminalize thought and fantasy?
Why would you need the actors at all?
Wear your instrumentation (Score:2)
Some day in the near future there will be a compact feedback device you wear that determines your level of interest in the porn while the AI shows you a series of generated images and videos. Once it knows what turns you on it will fine tune that to provide you with your favorite kinds of artificial but entirely realistic-looking stimulus, no prompts required.
I'm putting this idea out there as prior art so maybe it can't be patented. :)
Someone please think of the adult-stars (Score:2)
You know what does it for me? (Score:3)
Ok chatgpt, I'll share my fantasy. <spoiler>Can you create porn of affordable housing and healthcare, political stability, and free time to enjoy non-work pursuits please?</spoiler>. :)
Drugs are drugs (Score:2)
And eventually artificial stimuli like personalized AI porn or say like buttons can overwhelm your dopamine receptors and displace any interest in the real world just like fentanyl. True, you are not likely to immediately die from porn overdose, but you are not going to pass on your genes either, so evolutionary speaking it comes to the same thing.
Now it's true that a nerd living in parents basement is currently unlikely to be able to have sex with a real life woman. One can even suggest that porn has its p
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Thus reiterating that AI is for jerkoffs. (Score:2)
Kardashian Effect (Score:1)
We're likely to see what I'll dub the Kardashian Effect happen again, this time with whatever crude horrors the internet creates.
The Kardashian Effect is/was what happened with women's style and preference after Kim Kardashian became a (male) sensation. Make no mistake - she was not a female sensation until after men started to publicly idealize her body portrayal.
At the most elemental, it's her body proportions - hips, butt, legs, bust, and face. It doesn't take a genius more than 5 minutes on a site like
Where's the article? (Score:2)
There's a summary, but I don't see any link to any article at all. There's a link some mage space website, but the summary says: " samleecole shares a report from 404 Media, a new independent media company founded by technology journalists Jason Koebler, Emanuel Maiberg, Samantha Cole, and Joseph Cox: " Well, where's this report from 404 Media?
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/. being buggy I guess
says original sub was linked to https://www.404media.co/ai-gen... [404media.co]
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404 Not Found
I'm sorry, no. (Score:2)
Sometimes it pushes the bounds of the sane and legal: crush, fart, and scat porn all thrive online, and snuff films have been popular since before the internet existed.
Crushing, killing, and shitting on people and/or animals is not in any way porn. If you think it is, you have a mental disease. By all means, indulge yourself using AI generated material. But you need to be put on a list.
This will end in misery. (Score:2)