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Internet Access in Gaza is Collapsing as ISPs Fall Offline (techcrunch.com) 446

As the conflict between Israel and Hamas reaches its third week, internet connectivity in Gaza is getting worse. From a report: On Thursday, internet monitoring firm NetBlocks wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that the Palestinian internet service provider NetStream "has collapsed days after the operator notified subscribers that service would end due to a severe shortage of fuel supplies." According to Doug Madory, an expert who for years has worked at various companies that monitor networks across the world, internet connectivity in Gaza is dramatically worsening.

"The evidence of the crippled internet in Gaza is not hard to find. By every metric of internet connectivity, things are in bad shape," Madory, who is now the director of internet analysis at Kentik, told TechCrunch. Madory said that he monitored internet connectivity in Gaza during the 2014 war. At the time, despite some outages, "the ISPs were able to keep their connections to the outside world up using backup power, etc, even if many people were unable to access service due to power outages and infrastructure failures."

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  • When you pick a fight.
    • Hamas did. And not with Israel either. But with Israel's far right government, which the people of Israel were in the process of getting rid of (it's remarkably difficult to rid yourself of a far right government once you have one).

      Israel's far right government has consistently supported Hamas over the years while attacking any moderate force in the region. They do this because they know the frequent attacks mean the Israeli people will be in a constant state of fear and prone to electing far right gove
      • Pretty sure ISIS didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by kenh ( 9056 )

        Hamas did. And not with Israel either. But with Israel's far right government

        Israel left Gaza some 20 years ago, and the locals voted in HAMAS as their government.

        Pretty sure Hamas has been attacking the Israeli citizens, not just the "far right government" - was the music festival where paratrooper terrorists killed 260 attendees really just a cover for a "far right government" gathering?

        Gaza has fuel - lots of it, but dropping bombs on Israel is more important to Hamas than letting locals update their Facebook pages.

        Please, stop apologizing for Hamas, and by extension the Gaza's t

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by rlwinm ( 6158720 )
        You have no clue about the middle east and especially there. You just babble leftist nonsense. This has nothing to do with governments and politics. This has to do with one religious group (Muslims) wanting to eradicate the people of another ethno--religious group (Jews). The terrorists in Gaza hide behind civilian shields because they figure that propagandists like you will somehow turn it around.

        If there was an award for the most clueless poster to Slashdot, it would be yours.
      • I like you guys. Whenever I'm feeling down, I can always count on your kind to lift my spirits and tell me I'm on the winning team. Since apparently us righties/Jews/whatever are all one big world-straddling colossus, capable of shaping world events, starting wars and revolutions, and lining our pockets in the process.

        One thing though. I think I lost my instructions. Could you tell me where I go to collect my cut?

  • Anyway...

  • by Joey Vegetables ( 686525 ) on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:50PM (#63958711) Journal

    I'm informed enough to understand that this is not between the people of Gaza/West Bank/etc. versus the people of Israel.

    It's between the evil, evil, evil leaders of both Hamas and the government of Israel on one hand, versus the PEOPLE living under both of them.

    And understanding that this is the fundamental nature of this and most other conflicts, I take the side, which I am willing to defend with my own life as well as the lives of the wicked if necessary, that INNOCENT CIVILIANS MUST NOT BE HARMED, and oppose the side of those who would harm them regardless of the reason.

    When more people start to take this side, they will be able to save countless precious lives that otherwise would be lost.

    • by HBI ( 10338492 )

      Both sides are not going to change their points of view and the revanchist fighting will continue until one side has no one left. It's a war that has never ended. Would that it were amenable to some kind of a compromise solution (like the IRA thing in Ireland) but neither side will compromise meaningfully so it's a fight to the death. I can't even think of a meaningful compromise.

      Let it not be the death of the rest of us.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Everyone thinks they're informed.
    • I'm informed enough to understand that this is not between the people of Gaza/West Bank/etc. versus the people of Israel.
      It's between the evil, evil, evil leaders of both Hamas and the government of Israel on one hand,

      They're the same picture [theguardian.com]. (In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.")

    • What you're describing isn't a "side", it's a moral viewpoint. The "sides" in any conflict are the parties fighting, so here there are only two. If you actually took up arms to save civilians, then there would be another "side", fighting both of the others. You'd be shooting down Israeli jets and going house to house rooting out Hamas, effectively making you the worst "side" of the three, because now you're doing the evil that BOTH sides are doing.

      Your idea is only have a moral concept, one that sounds fine

    • War is always the old sending the young off to die; but that dynamic is particularly strong in Gaza. I'm given to understand the demographics are such that since Hamas was voted in, something like half the current population was born. Factor in the number who were too young to vote, the fact that they were born in to an indoctrination/prison camp where Hamas seized power and hasn't held an election since. Now go back and factor in that a bunch of puppet masters in Qatar are pulling the strings on Hamas,

    • Yes it is, both governments, but especially Hamas, has reasonably strong popular support. You are virtue signalling.
  • Hamas did what they always do, something horrific to provoke a response so they can complain about Israeli atrocities. But what country would ignore such a massive attack that killed so many?

    If they'd taken my family hostage or killed them, I'd be calling for flattening the whole strip, men women, and children alike (if they decided not to flee). "Us vs them" is really dumb up, right up until the killing starts at which point it becomes mandatory. That's why it's so easy to escalate and so difficult to d

    • by HBI ( 10338492 )

      That's the point, both sides suck. Hence, the overheated propaganda. No one who was actually in the right would have to argue this hard.

      One thing i'm sure of is that I don't want myself and my family snuffed out because of these assholes in the Middle East and their endless war on each other. The US is going to wise up sooner or later, hopefully before we end up getting nuked over this. Which is why the neocons are pushing this so hard now, they know they won't have another chance to 'settle' the whole

  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:29PM (#63958885) Homepage Journal

    Fall offline? It didn't happen spontaneously. An accurate headline would say something like "as Israel bombs Gaza flat". Passive voice is always a sign of intended deception.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:38PM (#63958921)
    there's now around 1 million homeless in the Palestine. It's a miracle that any of their ISPs survived that. I can't even imagine the scale of air strikes that would make that many homeless. The high density of Palestine after years of being pushed into smaller and smaller land means it's easy enough I suppose, but the numbers are insane. Just, how do you even think about rebuilding after that?

    Part of me worries that's the point. Israel demanded those people flee in the face of a ground assault. I can't see any reason to do what they did except for an occupation. It looks like what Russia is doing in Ukraine honestly. I mentioned this elsewhere but the Israeli people aren't terribly interested in the land, it's their far right government that wants it.

    I suspect this was a last ditch effort to take the land before public sentiment changed so much that it wasn't practical anymore. We know that the Israeli people have been trying to rid themselves of their far right government, so much so that Netanyahu tried to seize their Supreme Court. And we know he was thwarted by protests.

    As right wing governments & organizations lose power to changing times and a better educated population I think we'll see more and more insane things from them. Both from organizations like Hamas (who started this mess with a large attack) and from the Israeli government (who've been propping up Hamas for years).
    • Even Naftali Bennett's ultra-right-wing fantasy about fully annexing the West Bank has Egypt taking Gaza back. They could never be sure they cleared out all the tunnels. Any new building could be on top of a degrading ordinance cache or supply depot.

      If the tunnel network is anywhere near as expansive as they claim, then between airstrikes to damage key nodes and the underground fighting that's going to come, there may be nowhere safe and stable on the surface.
      • if their own people die? As for those tunnels, the far right wing in Israel would *love* for there to be continued terrorist attacks. Nothing keeps incompetent politicians in power like constant fear and threats of violence.
    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      If you look at the aerial maps of some of the bombing the devastation is pretty appalling. Looking at many of them it looks pretty clear that Israel's claims that they are only targeting Hamas arent accurate as they shouldnt need to destroy entire neighborhoods to do so. The Israelis are clearly out to hurt the Palestinians in Gaza as a whole for the actions of Hamas and given the death counts so far to a degree far greater than Hamas hurt them.

    • "there's now around 1 million homeless in the Palestine." According to who? "The high density of Palestine after years of being pushed into smaller and smaller land" You mean "after years of breeding like rabbits"?
  • by a5y ( 938871 ) on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:39PM (#63958925)

    Every dead Palestinian kid just gets a "fuck them, they elected terrorists" and "I'd sooner weep for the Hitler youth than palestinians" in the Slashdot comment section. The bombs just keep coming until the death count can never be accurately estimated.

    Can't wait for someone to express outrage that one dead Jewish girl who didn't deserve to die is getting compared to an unknown amount of Palestinians of the same age. Take a break from playing PR useful idiot for those killing civilians because you hate those playing PR useful idiots for the other side killing civilians.

    • How do you think Isreal should have responded?

    • by kenh ( 9056 )

      You do realize the Palestinians/Hamas are still sending bombs into Israel, right?

      Hamas uses families as human shields, that doesn't mean Israel can't take out the military targets in Gaza.

    • Such moral equivalence bullshit.

      If Hamas never attacked, there would be no fight. Remember who STARTED this, and who started it by deciding in 1947 a 2-state solution WASN'T preferable to attempted genocide.

      If Hamas stopped fucking killing people, there would be peace.
      If the IDF stopped fighting, all of Israel would be dead. *It's in Hamas' CHARTER.*

  • No more war. No more bloodshed.
  • Israel has a fertility rate just under 3 AND inflow from immigration. The country population has been growing at the same rate since the 60s. https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info] No wonder settlers are spilling into the West Bank.
    Come on Israel, the rest of the developed world is at replacement level fertility of 2 or below.
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