Road Rage Linked To Automobile Bumper Stickers 1065
Ponca City, We Love You sends news of a study by Colorado State University psychologist William Szlemko that recorded whether people had added seat covers, bumper stickers, special paint jobs, stereos, or plastic dashboard toys to their cars. Szlemko found a link between road rage and the number of personalized items on or in people's vehicles. "The number of territory markers predicted road rage better than vehicle value, condition, or any of the things that we normally associate with aggressive driving,' says Szlemko. What's more, only the number of bumper stickers, and not their content, predicted road rage... Szlemko suggests that this territoriality may encourage road rage because drivers are simultaneously in a private space (their car) and a public one (the road). 'We think they are forgetting that the public road is not theirs, and are exhibiting territorial behavior that normally would only be acceptable in personal space,' the researcher says.
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I think I saw that phrase on a bumper sticker....
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Seriously, though, I have no bumper stickers, seat covers, personalized anything on my car. However, I'm prone to curse at idiots in traffic (they can't hear me, of course) especially when they threaten my life.
Tami always bitches about my "road rage" even though it has no effect except to let me let off steam. Is this road rage, or do you have to do something like zoom around someone and cut them off, flip them the bird, or otherwise let them know that they have annoyed you for it to be road rage?
I think Tami doesn't know the difference between rage and annoyance.
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I have no bumper stickers. After having been on the receiving end of three road rage attacks/incidents, involving people following me and physically threatening violence, I now carry a
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Action is not the defining characteristic of road rage. Action is the end result regarding road rage. Long before Johnny decides he's had enough and he's gonna take what he deems to be appropriate action for his emotional state on the road, he's been yelling, swerving, swearing, and in general expressing his displeasure at not getting his way on the road. People experience and express road rage long before they ever take any "action".
Of course, "action" can be defined as many different things. Is waving a gun at you through my driver's side window considered to be an action? I'm not leaving my personal space, I'm not driving erratically, I'm not swearing or cursing you out, and I'm not tailgating you. I'm just pissed that you passed me on the right and swerved in front of me. So I decide to remind you that this kind of activity might get you shot if it continues, by waving my gun at you. Is what I have done road rage? You bet. I can even get arrested for it.
If you have been on the receiving end of three road rage attacks/incidents... you need to reexamine how you drive. I always drive the speed limit, and although I'm usually the only one on the road doing so, I've never in my 39 years (23 on the road) been on the receiving end of a road rage attack. Sure, people might have gotten angry at me driving 55 or 65 or 35, etc... but nobody honked or yelled or shook a fist. You are apparently driving in a manner that not only pisses people off, but is annoying enough to prompt people into taking action against you. But just be aware. If three people ACTUALLY took action against you, how many more WANTED to take action against you?
Road "ragers" say it is the fault of the morons on the road who can't drive properly. Victims of road rage blame it on the person expressing the rage. Neither party realizes that they are both at fault and both need fix their attitudes and actions while on the road. The rest of us are tired of the nonsense.
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Also, you wouldn't happen to be carrying the Taurus PT-92 in
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Maybe in the land of swine, that is true. In California (you know, the most populous state with the most cars... not that either is a badge of honor really) the slowpoke most certainly does have a legal obligation to let you ahead of him. It's in the California Vehicle Code in the 20,000s someplace. Five people behind you? You are legally obligated to pull the fuck over at the earliest safe opportunity. I HAVE seen someone pulled over for this, dunno if they actually got written.
Also, it's specifically illegal to drive in the passing lane on the freeway when not passing if there is someone behind you. It doesn't matter if you're going five under the limit, or fifty over; the law does not specify such a thing. You must get the fuck out of the way.
Also, by any fucking civilized standard, they have an obligation to treat you as they would have you treat them.
I am pretty much always the fastest thing going around where I live. (Not a record-setter or anything, I like to stay in my lane... But when I've been driving alone (e.g. not with my girlfriend who dislikes "spirited" driving) I've only had to pull over for one person in the last three years or so, and he wasn't staying in the lane. Stupid fucker. I'm all too happy to let those people go because I don't want them driving up my asshole.
Put simply, if you are holding people up when it is safe to pull over and let them pass, you are the asshole. Even if you were right about the law (which you might be in whatever sheepfucking state you live in) not being considerate enough to let people pass is rude.
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Actually, I thought we were talking about road rage and got off on this tangent.
And I kind of assumed road rage was caused by assholes and had nothing to do with spinning wheel covers (or whatever they're called), etc. Granted the two seem to go together, but I'm not sure it's cause-and-effect.
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I assumed it was cause most often, by idiots going too slow in the left lane...the passing lane.
I've never understood that mentality really, heck, while I drive pretty fast, if I see someone wanting to pass me...more power to them!! I happily pull to the right (if in the left lane) and let t
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Here's some anecdotal evidence from my life yesterday. I'm traveling home along the Interstate at 5pm. The speed limit is 65. The traffic is pretty thick, but most of it is doing 60 in the right lane and 65 in the center lane, while I'm cruising at about 70. So I'm passing the 65 traffic in the left lane, when some POS blue car comes up behind me and starts tailgating. Because of the traffic, there's no safe place for me to pull over (the people here generally travel about 1 second behind each other which is not safe to merge into). Anyway, this POS is tailgating me so close that I can't even see his headlights, which is a huge safety issue, since that also means I can't see his turn signal (not that he would probably use it, but it's the principle, and I couldn't know for sure). So I tap my brakes to get him to back off, he doesn't. By the time I reach a gap to my right where I could merge over, the guy whips around me into the middle lane, preventing me from merging over to let him and possibly other traffic pass me.
I saw him merge in front of a semi before some construction and hoped he had been rear ended by the truck, alas it did not happen.
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Here's some anecdotal evidence from my life yesterday. "
Well, for the most part...I say it is generally safer to go the speed of surrounding traffic...and
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Who said we were talking about curing the patient? Or what was good for the individual? The species' survival is more important than the survival of any single individual.
Why ?
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Suddenly, it is not a big deal to have hemophilia or cancer prone genes. Most often, when you see a dangerous gene in fairly large numbers in a population, it also conveys a benefit. For instance, the genes linked to sickle cell anemia also provide resistance to malaria.
So you can shut up about natural selection. You have unnatural ideas about it, based on wrong headed 'genetic superiority' arguments. You have no idea what good effects those negative genes might also be providing, but you'd gladly do away with them rather than do away with the conditions that make them a liability.
Do you like playing god because you feel inherently superior?
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Actually, I'm surprised how many people go ahead and have disfigured and crippled children even after pre-natal testing shows the fetuses aren't normal.
I don't have any kids (that I know of), but, I've long thought that if I found out an embryo of mine was something like down's syndrome,horribly retarded or missing limbs, etc....I'd opt for aborting the pregnancy, and trying again later
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Special Olympics kids would be way down on my list. First, I'd kill that sorry bitch that cut me off in traffic this morning, then that asshole that flipped me off b/c I merged into his lane right in front of him, then that sorry sack that was going 2 mph under the speed limit in the middle lane...
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There *IS* one uber-predator. Look in the mirror.
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The problem, at least in the US, is that there are enough people who will still tailgate you in the right lane if the left lane is empty. And when you slow down, they'll get mad. What are you going to do then, pull over into the emergency lane ?
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WTF?
Why would you let someone get away with menacing you?
Call the police [911dispatch.com]
Tell them the mile marker + color/make/model/license plate number and that he flashed a gun at you.
He will get pulled over, his car will get searched, and you won't be involved.
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Slower traffic should keep right. if you are doing 50 on an interstate, you are slower traffic (slowest traffic.) I can understand wanting to go slow, but if there's one thing I hate it's some "hall monitor" who decides that since the speed limit is 60mph, he has the right to do 50 in the far left lane (because, as he reasons, 60 is the *limit* ). I usually run into this guy in the passing lane when I am late for something and need to do 70. Of course, I wouldn't tailgate him, I'd just go around and sneer at him.
Please tell me you aren't *that* guy.
I'll make one exception: those semi trucks that do like 80mph. They need the stinking hall monitors to band together and stop them. The police sure aren't.
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Will they be able to prove it? Maybe not, but that doesn't make it legal.
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Heaven forbid they saw something you didn't while you were doing your asinine maneuvers? It's a good thing that both police and insurance would put you at fault. Maybe one day after you go to jail for involuntary manslaughter you will realize you are just being a giant douche.
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Is this a troll? Self-righteous prick? You be the judge.
If you're not passing someone (and you're not, if you're going 64) then don't drive in the leftmost lane. Period.
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And for societal win,
To irresponsible retard:
A safe, simple Schwinn
Burma Shave
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Seriously, though - cycling is safe if you follow the Highway Code and take sensible precautions, like: not running red lights, looking behind you before passing parked cars, remembering that people in cars aren't that bothered about your safety, etc., etc.
As a car driver, I can't see that it's my responsibility to anticipate that a cyclist will pull out to pass a parked car without looking to see if I'm approaching at 18 mph faster than him - it's your life, and your safety.
Oh, and
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If a bicycle proves too great a burden, then let a man walk.
And if he can't walk without being a menace, let him sit in the corner.
I'm speaking in hyperbole, but the whole dependent mentality of no-one being accountable for crappy behavior is one of the more destructive threads in society.
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Personally, I practice 'defensive driving', but that should not be interpreted as 'meek' - in a lot of situations, being assertive actually prevents other road users from entering a potentially dangerous situation.
I do still wish that cyclists were taught to ride as I was in the '70s - the roads would be much safer for all.
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They pull out in front of you, drive at <speed limit> - 5 mph, and wonder why you're driving up their sanctimonious arse honking and flashing!
Bastards, the lot of them.
And they always double park on a Sunday when they get their weekly dose of self-flagellation.
Did Jesus say 'Pick up thy bed and drive'? I think not :P
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Re:No stickers in the UK (Score:5, Informative)
You do realise that what you're doing is qualified as "road rage", don't you? At least a light form. You're trying to teach them a lesson, by annoying them even more.
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Being tailgated is a dangerous situation - if you're forced to brake for any reason they will cause a nasty accident. The average tailgater is also a speeder, so even putting your foot down isn't going to shake them. Your only other choice is to slow down - not to force them to stop tailgating, but to improve your reaction time and lessen the chance you'll have to break suddenly and kill them.
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Yes, it is: the correct method dealing with them is to encourage them to overtake you. Slowing down, keeping right (okay, left in the UK), etc.... What VoidCrow does after that is roadrage. He overtakes them, and gives them the taste of their behaviour. I doubt that such behaviour is encouraged in driving schools. In mine it wasn't: letting them pass, yes. Giving them a taste oof their own medicine is self-justice and a driving school advocating such things isn't doing you any good.
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The hint? do they mod you 'troll' or 'flamebait'?
Either your cruising speed is faster than theirs in which case you won't have the tailgating problem, or their speed is faster than yours in which case you should just let them past instead of being a prick about it. Maybe you haven't been driving long enough or maybe you're just a slow learner, but tailgaters simply don't 'get it', and you can't teach 'it' to them. The best you can do is make sure that you're not the one they run up the rear of when you have to brake for a hazard. And one day, when you pull over to let them past, you'll pass them again when they are at the side of the road explaining to a police officer why they were in such a hurry, and nothing will get the smile off your face for the rest of the day!
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Whenever I see the Jesus fish on the back of a car, I do want to run it off the road on general principle
If you can catch one parked up I find it much more satisfying to draw little legs under it with a dry marker and give it a "Darwin is right!" caption. Sometimes you'll see the same car going around for *weeks* before they notice and clean it off.Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
You know, It's very, very rare that a religious person (Chrustian, Jew, Hindu, whatever) tries to shove his beliefs down my throat. For instance, I don't believe I've ever had a Catholic berate me for using birth control, never had a Jew or Muslim tell me I was going to hell for eating a ham sandwich, never had a Bhuddist curse me for swatting a fly, in fact seldom do I ever hear religious people talk of
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I seem to miss the group hate email every week. Are we hating everything we interpret as meaning "im better than you?" or is there a specific interpretation?
I know last month was hate all hybrid drivers and drivers who drove at or a tiny bit over the speed limit, and the month before that was hate stinky cab drivers, but I dont get who we need to hate
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So sez this here heathen.
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Other people's stickers? (Score:4, Funny)
Not everyone can control their impulses.
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except you miss.
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Well, that about sums it up, doesn't it? Your actual desire, when someone else expresses their opinion, is to be violent. My desire, when I see a car loaded up with "random acts of beauty," "peace happens," and "war is not the answer" stickers is to actually talk to the platitude-dealing pollyanna involved and get a sense of how they think, for exmaple, that their random acts of beauty and kindness might change a local Taliban franchise's boss into someone who no longer likes to kill women showing up to work as a teacher and showing young girls how to read. How was "war not the answer" when Germany was rolling over Europe? How exactly was peace going to "happen" in the Balkans as Muslims were being ethnically "cleansed" from their villages with Serbian machine guns?
Unlike you, whose first instinct - however well reigned in for fear of being caught - is to vandalize the property of someone you hate, I'm more inclined to either roll my eyes, or actually communicate. I do appreciate your so nicely illustrating the shrill, tantrum-like thought process that drives so much of the politics on the left. It's entirely about rudderless emotions, drama, and cheap, sophomoric, fair-weather outrage that's anything but constructive... and shows that the pretense of disliking partisanship is completely disengenuous. It's true of you, and it's true of the current presidential candidate from the left. Hot air. It's not about getting anything done, it's entirely about how much you don't like someone else. "Change We Can Believe In" is the most empty bit of meaningless rhetoric I've ever heard, since it avoids, at all costs, any actual specificity lest the people that utter it get caught showing the real foundation of their idealogy. No need to of course, since the portrait you painted of how your brain works when exposed to nothing more than the name of a political opponent handily demonstrates the actual nature of most political thinking on the left: it's about actual hate, or about craven pandering to that hate as a way to power.
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Unlike you, whose first instinct - however well reigned in for fear of being caught - is to vandalize the property of someone you hate, I'm more inclined to either roll my eyes, or actually communicate.
Really? Let's see...
...platitude-dealing pollyanna... change a local Taliban franchise's boss... Germany was rolling over Europe? ... ethnically "cleansed"... roll my eyes... shrill, tantrum-like thought process... rudderless emotions, drama, and cheap, sophomoric, fair-weather outrage that's anything but constructive... disengenuous... Hot air... empty bit of meaningless rhetoric... get caught... how your brain works... actual hate... craven pandering
So, it appears that your "actual communication" is nothing more than ad hominems and strawmen. You didn't say a single word of substance in that entire paragraph.
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Asking a person how their espoused philosophy would deal with thugs and tyrants in the real world is not a strawman.
And so forth and so on.
Oh, and you should look up ad logicam sometime.
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Calling someone a "platitude-dealing pollyanna" is not an ad hominem when it's true.
Was the great-grandparent poster actually spouting platitudes?
No. Only the grandparent, who was putting words in the other's mouth and then denigrating him for them.
Was the great-grandparent poster a Pollyanna? Either a small teenage girl, or the colloquial form as a blind optimist?
No.
So, what about it was "true", as you so nicely put it?
And so forth and so on.
Pot to kettle: stfu.
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And I appreciate your so nicely illustrating the propensity of both your sides to equate everyone with beliefs different than yours as being the same as all others in their camp. The fact is that a lot of people on both sides want to kill anyone with differring opinions, and other people on both sides would rather have reasonable discourse.
Don't judge all liberals (or all conse
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Indeed. Nothing says "peace" and "harmony" and "can't we all just get along" like smashing the windows of a local retail shop during your anti-war rally, and burning giant puppet effigies to show what you'd really do to people you hate if you could get away with it. Yes, hate is tolerated and even encouraged, as long as it's in the name of warm, fuzzy, friendly political correctness anchored in leftist, populist platitudes. Why these idiots - so often theoretically college educated - can't see the fantastic irony of hating in the name of tolerance, and being randomly violent in the name of peace, I'll never know. Unless it's because, most of the time, they're just muddle-headed poseurs with no critical thinking skills and they're actually attending protests to get dates, shock their parents, and come up with something new for MySpace because people are getting tired of just looking at pictures of them being drunk at parties.
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Idiot.
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I see, because the local coffee shop is an agent of foreign colonial tyrrany, being run in a country in which you have no representative democracy or constitional checks and balances. Yes, nothing has changed since the founding of our nation! We must still destroy the property and livelihoods of our neighbors in order to show how we must sever ties with the overseas monarchy that sets taxes on which we have no voice, stations troops in our homes, and prevents us from manufacturing goods on our own shores. Yes, I see now that you have a keen grasp on it.
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Doesn't matter. The people who do that crap, and those that chain themselves across public roads to deny their use to as many people as possible and busy up as many police and rescue people as possible are all of a stripe... because if there were indeed massive numbers of non-thug, thug-disliking throngs at such protests, then they'd go to enormous lengths to not have their events become hosts to such BS. But through the "enemy of my enemy is my friend, or least someone we should tolerate" line of thinking, the groups that organize specifically to disrupt streets and cause some mayhem - who announce themselves in advance, and crow about it on a thousand blogs after the fact! - show up like clockwork and do exactly what's expected. It's not exactly mysterious.
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"The size of ones genitals is inversely proportional to the size of ones vehicle"
The best part is that SUV drivers would run out of fuel before they could even catch up!
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George Bush Stickers..... (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, that's why I don't put political bumper stickers on my car. Obama, Hillary, or McCain, I don't care. I don't need some nut-job running me down because he doesn't like my choice of candidate.
(Plus, it'll spoil the purdy paint.)
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i'm talking about the people with 4-5 bumper stickers, all stridently ideological
of course you are entitled to be proud of your beliefs, but if you are radioactively evangelical about them, then i am 100% certain that your mind is completely closed and your brain dead hack partisanship is total
on the other hand, you can be assured no one will want to borrow or steal your car... although these bumper sticker hordes are usually stuck on a 15 year old rust eaten subcompact
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that doesn't really bother me, nor do the bumper stickers. the point isn't about my aversion to someone else's personal info, the point is someone who aggressively puts their personal issues and beliefs out there for all too see. people can handle this sort of thing, this isn't about strangers being exposed to personal beliefs being somehow damaged or discomforted
the issue are those who have the need to aggressively get their deeply personal beliefs and feelings out there in front of strangers. it belies large psychological blind spots. its healthy to not want random strangers to know deeply personal things about yourself. to invert that simple protection mechanism isn't about a surfeit of confidence, it is about a surfeit of lack of self-awareness
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so stand in line, i'm not interested. my usage of the word is perfectly reasonable. feel free to petition the UN, or perhaps, swallow a shotgun
xoxoxoxox
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The Hummer covered in American flags and ribbon magnets for every armed service (because, y'know, the driver was in the Army, Marines and Air Force simultaneously) and the Forester with the "SMASH FAITH-BASED FASCISM" and "HOW MANY IRAQIS PER GALLON" stickers (because, y'know, Subarus burn rage, not gasoline like those awful SUVs) are equally likely to make a right turn through the bike lane without looking.
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Did they study the effects of drifting along and not passing while in the passing lane on a limited access highway (a 2 point ticket, called disrupting the flow of traffic, in most states)?
I mean, really, if you did these things on foot you'd get, "Um, excuse me" and "right behindja," and "sorry there, ah, commin through."
The real source of road rage is not being able to say, "excuse me." It frustrates humans because we need to be able to express ourselves. We're pack animals and the cars isolate us.
My hunch is that inconsiderate behavior is a better predictor than bumper stickers. I haven't done a study though. Could be wrong. (Ignore my sig it's a joke.)
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You can sort of test this yourself while walking. While walking down the street, step in front of another pedestrian (cut them off) and then keep walking, you'll hear negative comments. Do the same thing, but then apologize and the person you cut off will act like it was their fault.
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I think cars should come with a purple light(since it's not used for anything else) for exactly that purpose.
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- Move over you spineless git!
- hey dickwad, you almost hit me
- Hi there
- careful, you're about to hit something
- I just passed out and slumped into my steering wheel
You try talking for a while with just a mono-tone "Hey" you'll find it's very difficult to be understood
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Driving a white Buick 25mph under the speed limit.
Slowing down when I'm behind you and speeding up when I try to pass.
Being shorter than the dashboard.
Zoning out at a green light.
Goosing the throttle on your Harley you fat fuck.
A ricer wing bigger than Mexico.
Passing me on a one lane highway ramp.
Stopping, yes stopping at the end of a merge ramp on to the highway you redneck motherfucker.
Waiting for a half mile of no traffic in both directions to make a left turn.
Green light, asshole, it's not getting any greener.
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I also have a severe problem with the definition of road rage too. A while back, I had my 4 year old nephew in the car and some jack ass thought that the speed limit (45, on a 2 lane residential area) was too slow and passed me on the double yellow line going around a curve. At the time I noticed him over taking me another car was coming around the corner and he shot back into my lane forcing me to slam on the brakes and run onto the shoulder in order to avoid an accident. Well, that cause me to fish tail a little but the car remained under control and no accident occurred.
Up the road, was an intersection with a 4 way stop. I jumped out of the car and proceeded to ask him what the hell was going on and we started arguing when I told him how to drive and where to pull he head from. A cop was sitting at the cross intersection and turn on his lights and all. He was saying I was having a problem with road rage when he was radioing in for backup. About that time, a car came up behind us and the driver walked up to talk to the cop. I was handcuffed and told to stand by my car. The car going to other direction thought I actually had an accident and turned around for fear of being hit with a leaving the scene of an accident. When he saw us talking to the cop, he gave them his side of events and the cop had me write a statement then let me go. I assume they cited the other guy. But I was going to be hit with some road rage charge for telling a person who almost killed me (and my nephew) to watch what the hell they were doing. Had that third car not turned around, I would have been screwed and another meaningless state for this meaningless result in this study.
I'm confident that the parent was correct in his assessment of the usefulness of this study and results. Not necessarily because they did something wrong, but with the inherent flaws in the data collection itself. To me, road rage is aggressive driving but evidently, it can be a number of things depending on who writes it up and so on. And the question of some kids putting bumper stickers on a car verses the current owner willfully doing it is skewing things a bit too.
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Insightful)
It works for me - I never, ever have road rage (though I do swear at cyclists a lot).
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Informative)
In Ohio, it is actually part of the law that the vehicle being overtaken is to maintain a constant speed [ohio.gov] (PDF warning, see the page marked as 36 if you had the book, it should be somewhere on page 42 according to the PDF). It is possible for you to be cited if you don't as well as become partially at fault if an accident occurs. Missouri and TX have the same laws. or at least they did when I was there.
But this is all pointless in this particular situation because the guy was behind me, then I saw his hood out of me left eye, he seemed to be going about 15 mph faster then me, and he came into my lane at that time. If I hadn't reacted, we should have hit somewhere with his front door at my my front tire. I moved over and saw him continuing into my lane and passing then I saw the other car and hit the brakes. By the time he was clear of me enough that I could come back into my lane, the oncoming car had already passed. It all happened faster then it would take you to read this, literally a matter of seconds. I'm serious, it was so close that a half second off for either of us could have resulted in either him hitting me or the oncoming car. It was that close.
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Informative)
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On a related note, I was once riding at about 30 to 35mph down a VERY steep hill. Single lane each way, with a gravel shoulder and a 4" to 6" drop-off from road to
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Insightful)
I am guessing that you do this because you feel that you own the road, and don't agree to sharing it with cyclists. Ill admit that you see cyclists doing stupid things sometimes, but nowhere near as stupid as car drivers, and a cyclist isn't likely to ram into you adn kill you.
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's the cyclists who act as if they own the road, not the drivers. Oddly, it's only bicycles that act like this, motorcycle drivers are probably the most polite people out there.
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I worry much more about someone that jumps out of a car than someone that cuts me off. The one that cuts me off will continue on his way; the one that jumps out may assalt me. He shouldn't have passed, but once he did perhaps you sh
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I also have a severe problem with the definition of road rage too. A while back, I had my 4 year old nephew in the car and some jack ass thought that the speed limit (45, on a 2 lane residential area) was too slow and passed me on the double yellow line going around a curve. At the time I noticed him over taking me another car was coming around the corner and he shot back into my lane forcing me to slam on the brakes and run onto the shoulder in order to avoid an accident. Well, that cause me to fish tail a little but the car remained under control and no accident occurred.
Up the road, was an intersection with a 4 way stop. I jumped out of the car and proceeded to ask him what the hell was going on and we started arguing when I told him how to drive and where to pull he head from. A cop was sitting at the cross intersection and turn on his lights and all. He was saying I was having a problem with road rage when he was radioing in for backup. About that time, a car came up behind us and the driver walked up to talk to the cop. I was handcuffed and told to stand by my car. The car going to other direction thought I actually had an accident and turned around for fear of being hit with a leaving the scene of an accident. When he saw us talking to the cop, he gave them his side of events and the cop had me write a statement then let me go. I assume they cited the other guy. But I was going to be hit with some road rage charge for telling a person who almost killed me (and my nephew) to watch what the hell they were doing. Had that third car not turned around, I would have been screwed and another meaningless state for this meaningless result in this study.
Not only is the majority of your post off-topic to the study in TFA, you got out of the vehicle --with your 4 year old nephew in the car-- to argue with a total stranger who could have been: a criminal, fugitive, armed and dangerous, or just plain deranged? And arguing with this knucklehead produced what long term solution to his bad driving? Nada...
Who modded this guy +5 Interesting?
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:5, Insightful)
These researchers found a correlation, and made a further testable (falsifiable) hypothesis based on it. That's science. Only idiots who tag stories like this with correlationisnotcausation think science is causation studies. It's not.
Re:what about the obvious ? (Score:4, Insightful)
And no, he's not "perfectly valid" in any way, as he's totally unaware of how the actual scientific process works, and delimits "science" as something that wouldn't even include the work of Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein (or at least, they would be deemed highly "irresponsible"). His definition of science doesn't encompass half of the so-called "hard" sciences, and very little of importance.
And "true facts"? Experimental methods and controlled experiments guarantee nothing in and of themselves. In fact, any controlled experiment begs a whole host of questions, beginning with: do you measure what you think you're measuring.
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Measuring the degree of car territorialisation to predict road rage? Seems like a damn roundabout way of doing it...
That wasn't what they were doing. Are you sure you read the article?
I suspect analyzing drivers' I.Q would make a simpler, better job at predicting stupid road behaviour.
Why should anyone care what you "suspect"? Unlike you, these guys actually did a study and found something that actually predicts road rage (or at least correlates with it).
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In other words: "Nevermind the facts! MY opinion is
Nuts to that.
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I suspect analyzing drivers' I.Q would make a simpler, better job at predicting stupid road behaviour.
I know some very high IQ people who are stupid drivers. I believe it comes down to how much you care about other people. If you value other's lives, you will act in a way that respects other people...like using your turn signal to warn people behind you that you are about to change lanes...or not stealing someone's safety buffer that your car just happens to fit. Simply put, if you wouldn't want someone doing it to you, then why the heck are you doing it to them?
Re:We'll see what later studies show. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:No brains? (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Correlation != Causation (Score:5, Insightful)
And they never claimed causation, did they? (Score:5, Insightful)
Basically that:
1. being territorial makes you mark your car. Sorta like dogs piss on trees and hydrants. Except smell markings don't work well with humans, so we use visible cues instead.
2. being territorial makes you act like the road is yours, or that everyone within X metres is in your personal space and should play by your rules. And when they don't, you might take it upon you to teach them a lesson or flex your muscles otherwise.
So they don't even seem to contradict your assessment much.
Look, I'll be the first to join in the "correlation != causation" chorus when it's warranted. But some people seen to have a knee jerk reaction to post it, even when nobody claimed causation in the first place.
Or was balking at "researchers" the whole purpose of that exercise?
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FBonus touch...a special handicapped sticker on your GIANT SUV. If you are so damned handicapped that you need close up parking, then why in the hell are you driving a giant vehicle?
Maybe because that "GIANT SUV" has the capability to hold a wheelchair, a walker and other devices more easily, and (more likely) it is a hell of a lot easier to get in and out of for someone whose legs and back no longer work so well, than your standard econobox.
Try engaging your brain instead of your pinheaded hatred and bias.