Single-Atom Transistor 95
zarsky99 writes: "EETimes is reporting that Japanese researchers are close to creating the world's first single-atom transistor. This could be a boon to power problems and Moore's Law. The article is here, and please enjoy. Now if they could only get a single girl to date me." OK, you take the transistor, I'll take the girl ;)
J adds: For those of you graphing Moore's Wacky Law:
November1999, 50nm;
November1999, 18nm;
October2000, 1nm;
December2000, 30nm;
five days ago, 30nm.
We don't make the semiconductors, we just report 'em.
Single electron, not single atom (Score:4)
What atom would that be? (Score:5)
Oh hell! This can't possibly be right. Not even Japan can alter the laws of physics. Let me read the article to see what the truth of the matter is...
The transistor Aono is developing makes a switch circuit consisting of
and
"We can make an atomic switch in a cluster of silver atoms"
Very amazing. But it's not a "Single-Atom Transistor" like Slashdot says. The key component in the transistor may be a single atom, but the transistor itself is not.
An interesting post, but (Score:3)
Re:single atom AND / OR gates (Score:1)
Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
nope (Score:1)
isn't it (Score:1)
Re:Massive acceleration of Moore's Law (Score:2)
Still without dates, most of us.
Re:Consequences of Moore's Law (Score:1)
If we can get a single atom acting like 1 transistor, perhaps the next step is to get a single atom acting like 2 transistors in some configuration. Then I think we could say we have half-atom transistors.
Re:non-sequitor (Score:1)
There's more to it than just speed. (Score:1)
As others have pointed out, this is basic research which can be applied to all kinds of circuitry, not just CPUs.
However, even applied to CPU development, decreasing feature size means more than just faster processors. It also means that you can create a processor of similar speed to what we have today, but with lower power consumption and better chip yields.
-deane
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Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
The thing is, each of the groups needs to keep on working, and getting a single-atom transistor in the lab is a far cry from getting one in your grandma's new computer from CompUSA. You've gotta lay the research groundwork, then maybe get some standards, and only then start worrying about actually producing something to sell. All of the things in the first paragraph are pretty much pie-in-the-sky at this point, but so are single atom transistors.
Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
Re:All us techies could learn something from this (Score:1)
Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
Not quite, because Athlon bus is dual-pumped, it moves data twice for every clock cycle, which means that for a 1200 Mhz CPU with 12x multiplier you have a 200 Mhz equivalent bus - the CPU is really only 6 times faster than the bus.
As for the Pentium 4 and its 100 Mhzquad-pumped bus, it is 1500/(100x4) = 3,75 multiplier, which is even lower (and explain why this CPU is a screamer when it comes to bandwidth apps
Although I agree with you that other components need more improvement than the CPU, I still wish my box could uncompress 50 JPEG at 2048x536 res. in less than a second (speed required to browse my picture library with ACDSee
Re:Massive acceleration of Moore's Law (Score:1)
Perhaps next we'll enjoy the single-quark transistor.
NOT a single atom transistor (Score:2)
Its not a single atom transistor, its a transistor switched on or off by a single electron.
All your base/collector/emitter belongs to us.
Zapped by cosmic rays (Score:1)
So, you are going to need very clever circuits to detect errors and switch-in replacements, which makes the thing bigger.
Re:Consequences of Moore's Law (Score:4)
Naah, they start with Lawrencium 262, then in a few months they kick out a few neutrons and protons to make Fermium 256 (just to make these calculations easier). Then, with 18 month steps: Xenon 128, Zirconium 64, Sulphur 32, Oxygen 16, Beryllium 8 (9 is more stable though), Helium 4, Hydrogen 2, and finally Hydrogen 1 (ehm...a single proton).
Thus, it takes 12 years before they have to go to subatomics!
pico-wires (Score:4)
What I want to know is, how will they connect this with normal electronics? They'd probably need 5 or 6 buffers in between to step down the current so as not to fry the tiny wires. Also, wouldn't a chip made with this technology be super-sensitive to interference? If a random cosmic ray hit it, it would probably be fried.
Hope they can solve all the problems. This sounds like really cool technology.
[me@localhost]$ prolog
| ?- god.
! Existence error in god/0
single atom AND / OR gates (Score:4)
Anyway it is a step, now we need the leap. What would really be neat is to see smaller PC parts today. A 2" network card and a 2" modem connecting to an 8"x6" MB would be sweet. Then my pc would be cut down to about 1/3 its current size. A cdrom drive that only 1/2 the cd went it rather than a drawer. Hmmm
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
capitalization (Score:1)
Massive acceleration of Moore's Law (Score:3)
Sunday March 04, @08:37AM - Transistors 3 atoms wide [slashdot.org]
Thursday March 08, @08:08PM - Transistors 1 atom wide [slashdot.org]
So where will we be next Monday?
Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
I Agree, but the "BetaMax Effect" is in play here.
The "BetaMax Effect" is when we stupid Americans buy anything labeled "Bigger This, Faster That or Better Something" without regard to the whole picture.
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
Re:What atom would that be? (Score:1)
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Not small enough... (Score:1)
Someday, if I'm lucky, I will be able to see the look of glee on my children's face as I help them upgrade from a red CPU to a blue one.
I Sure Hope... (Score:4)
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Re:What atom would that be? (Score:2)
That single atom may be the key component, but it's useless without all the other atoms around it. Try building a lightswitch with just a single unbroken copper strip, and you'll see what I mean.
What do women and transistors have in common (Score:5)
- They often amplify things out of proportion
- They can switch their minds in an instant
- They are often non-linear
- They consume energy
non-sequitor (Score:2)
Better fab processes improve all the microcircuitry, not just the main processor.
Incidentally, the old modular tech you can snap together with thick, clumsy fingers can't be improved much further, which is why it's lagging. There's no sense bitching about your cheap swappable DIMMs when you won't shell out for faster RAM or buy a non-expandable machine. There is faster RAM available, it's just more expensive and needs a special set-up. Same thing for hard drives; people buy gigs, not MB/s. The market's producing what people want: layered caching of inexpensive, immense data stores.
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Limits of this process? (Score:1)
Re:What atom would that be? -- Transitium. Z=451 (Score:1)
It produced in fusion reactors. It is remarkably stable given its proton number. KGB physics developed it in the cold war in the hope of out developing the Western silicon chip. Only recently have they been able to produce it in crystals large enought to use in full comercial products.
Expect to see Russian Trn-451 PCs hitting the market this christmas.
Re:single atom AND / OR gates (Score:1)
Wow! This new device would be so small and conveinent we could call it a laptop computer!
What do you think memory is made out of? (Score:1)
Obviously you didn't spend hours looking at them (Score:1)
Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
why so big? (Score:2)
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Power Density (Score:2)
There is a thing about Moore's Law and Power density. power density keeps going up with increasing density of computational activity. At some point it gets so dense that we need insane cooling, or else we are using warp cores for computational exercises. [perks up at the thought]
Now there is a idea. Subatomic quantum computing using a warp core. That should keep Moore's law going for a while.
Read the article! (Score:1)
Also, if someone made one-atom think walls on a transister, that could be taken one better by having one transister on each side of that wall, in effect, your 1/2 atom idea.
By the way, did you note the way he is planning to test this? Building a carbon nanotube onto the end of the probe to use as a circuit tester. I think those nanotubes will become more important in the future than anybody can guess.
Re:what does boon mean ??? (Score:1)
Re:Consequences of Moore's Law (Score:1)
nano-money (Score:2)
Re:single atom AND / OR gates (Score:1)
Quantum computers (Score:1)
18 months later (Score:3)
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Re:or multiple transisters per atom (Score:1)
This has been another useless post from....
Re:single atom AND / OR gates (Score:1)
Re:Consequences of Moore's Law (Score:1)
I can see it now - a chip composed entirely of neutrinos, which upon being released from its containment field (i.e. manufacturing) will instantaneously take off at the speed of light, (since you need about 3 light-years worth of lead to even have a chance of slowing a neutrino down.) So the neutrino chip is flying through space and with random interactions with other particles eventually becomes self-aware. Haven't seen that in a sci-fi novel. Whoever writes it, you're welcome to it. Send me a free copy, why don't you.
Higgs-Boson chips competing with photonic chips, competing with qubit chips. And all in my lifetime. Interesting times, indeed.
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Question... (Score:3)
So basically... (Score:2)
And people call _ME_ a nerd...
Consequences of Moore's Law (Score:4)
Speaking of Moore's Law, does this mean that in 18 months we'll have scientists promising half-atom transistors? Now that'll be really interesting . . .
(Disclaimer: don't bother flame^H^H^H^H^Hcorrecting me about Moore's Law not really being a law. I know that; I'm just joking.)
Re:That's gonna be hell on DIYers (Score:2)
Nanotechnology (Score:1)
Re:That's gonna be hell on DIYers (Score:2)
Basically, all the angels dancing on the head of a pin, keeping it cool.
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Re:Question... (Score:1)
(and, if it was in the article, what was it??)
Re:Question... (Score:1)
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Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
Single girl to date you? (Score:2)
<joke>
Now, if they created multiple-atom transitors, and you couldn't get multiple girls to date you, what makes you think that a single atom transitor is going to get you a single girl to date you?
</joke-cuz-ive-been-there-too>
overseas interest (Score:1)
Any guesses as to who those semiconducter makers might be? (All right, all right, I realize there are more like 3 or 4 for whom something like this could be CRITICAL...but we at least know ONE, right?)
Re:All us techies could learn something from this (Score:1)
Oh, good! (Score:2)
(What was the title of that story, by the way?)
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You could also demonstrate: (Score:2)
See? It works like that.
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Easy, if not cheap solution (Score:2)
Have you considered calling an outcall (escort) service?
An atomic computer (Score:1)
Re:Half-Decayed Answer... (Score:1)
Re:An interesting post, but (Score:1)
I don't see the contextual relevance...
I think the point was "wow, if they could overcome the huge odds of doing this, maybe they could overcome the huge odds of getting me a date" or something. Along those same lines, maybe they should take over slashdot, after all, if they could make a single atom transistor, maybe they could post an article with correct grammar.. (ducking)
Shayne
Re:Massive acceleration of Moore's Law (Score:1)
Why have offchip DRAM at all? (Score:2)
1 transistor per bit (pessimistic).
That's 1 x 10^11 transistors on a cm^2 die.
Do you realize how much SRAM memory that translates into? Roughly 2GB, with
enough transistors left over to have a CPU on the same die.
WITH A CPU LIKE THAT...
WHO NEEDS A MEMORY SUBSYSTEM?
Just give the thing some I/O pins to talk
to a bus!
PeterM
Re:pico-wires (Score:1)
This transistor technology (Single Electron Transistors [sunysb.edu]) cannot be used to make large circuits, because it is extremely sensitive to spurious charges in its surroundings. It does have its special uses, though, e.g. ultra-precise current measurements, standards calibration, and that sort of thing.
What is more interesting is that this type of controlled manufacturing of quantum dots opens up the possibility of making quantum computers.
from the what-can-i-get-away-with dept (Score:1)
With the extensive probing into quantum machinery**, the question is, "How soon will it be that processors create their own dimension to perform advanced mathematical calculations. The question is, "When will be using planck's width to record data rather than Fe-Si combinates?" The question is, "Will the term 'wireless' come to mean that a small quantum bridge is created by the computer to read the data on another computer atoms?"
Or, one of my friend's favourite questions: Will a molecule count as a network?
You can keep your one atom transistors, I'm waiting for the chance to upgrade to a 2 1 H isotope!***
*No replies on the one-sided Fox special, please
**This has actually been around for a few years already, and has been mentioned on slashdot a few times, as well as making it to Michael Crichton's "Timeline", as a background to the ideas conveyed in the story.
***Don't tell me not to hold my breath, that, too, is another AnonCow-esk comment
Timmy, now would be a good time to SLEEP
I always thought it was obvious (Score:1)
either that, or it's a "clever" way to say surpass or "move beyond the logic of"
Who's up for volleyball?
Re:Ohm's law, and other kvetches (Score:1)
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Obfuscated e-mail addresses won't stop sadistic 12-year-old ACs.
Re:single atom AND / OR gates (Score:2)
So tell me why does a PCI scsi card have to be 4" or so wide when the chips on it only take uyp about an inch? The fact is that many PCI and AGP cards today could be 2" wide. Also laptops either have a cdrom or floppy else everything is external. I want the computer to have a zip, floppy, 52x or greater cdrom and cdburner INSIDE the machine.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
All us techies could learn something from this guy (Score:3)
Researcher: We can pick up a grain of rice when we wet the tip of our finger. That force is some kind of tool.
Now that is the way to dumb things down for management and VIPs.
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Magnitudes of Order (Score:1)
Could someone please tell me what a "magnitude of order" is?
An order of magnitude would be equivalent in this context to a "power of 10", however, a magnitude of order seems more like a description of the Supreme Court.
no more woes (Score:1)
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Re:Question... (Score:1)
J/K.
Actually, the title IS kind of misleading... It's only one atom that does the switching-- but there are still a bunch of other atoms that control it. The single atom switches energy levels, so technically it's only one atom doing the switching.
It's still a huge quantum leap ahead of everything, though. I can't wait for these guys, assuming they're not vapor, which would be surprising.
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That's gonna be hell on DIYers (Score:1)
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Non-meta-modded "Overrated" mods are killing Slashdot
Boggles the mind... (Score:1)
PROCESS vs PROTOTYPE (Score:2)
A PROCESS is a way of actually manufacturing the transistor, a PROTOTYPE is simply the EXISTENCE of a transistor.
Intel could manufacture the 30nm transistor, however the 1nm transistor is merely a lab toy.
There is a HUGE distinction, get it straight.
or multiple transisters per atom (Score:1)
chris
Re:It won't do any good (Score:1)
1- the CPU needs to let the rest of the sytem catch up, because it's now everything else that's bottlenecking
2- let each team reasearching each theory keep going because sooner or later people who are researching other methods will help the rest of the computer catch up.
but regardless they are talking about making really small transistors... these could be concieably used to make all kinds of chips not just cpus (someone correct me if i'm wrong)
we could have nao-northbridges, nano-memory, yada, yada...
News: Intel releases revolutionary processor! (Score:1)
Re:What atom would that be? -- Transitium. Z=451 (Score:2)
smoke crack much?
You people are whiney and ill informed (Score:1)
Whoever marked you a troll should be dragged out to MIT and forced to sit in on a semester of Quantum Theory: Engineering for the Future
No, I don't know who comes up with these 1940's titles, but I'm willing bet it's been the same guy coming up with this stuff for the past 60 years. He's probably eight or ninety and a millionare with his own naming firm that now caetors to those disk-hogging power-point presentations.
Not physically possible (Score:1)
Though, I'm sure you only meant that as a joke, I just thought I'd throw in some momentary thought. I'm having a good day for a troll.
Ohm's law, and other kvetches (Score:1)
This is why the field of superconductors is so much more interesting--perhaps, one day, it will only require a single electron, but you'll still be measuring atomic thickness.
*New abbreviation for
RTFA and other whines (Score:1)
Normally, the atom chain would be guessed at Si, silicon, but it sounds like it will be Ag, silver.
200-250 is not a bad guess...for the number of pokemon. 124 would be more accurate by ways of the atomic table, including the undeclareds, the unnamed and the unstable.
Now that we've had a jausle into the world of chemistry, can we play a game of chartuse camerrida?
Rumors, lies, and Rob (Score:1)
With the extensive probing into quantum machinery**, the question is, "How soon will it be that processors create their own dimension to perform advanced mathematical calculations. The question is, "When will be using planck's width to record data rather than Fe-Si combinates?" The question is, "Will the term 'wireless' come to mean that a small quantum bridge is created by the computer to read the data on another computer atoms?"
Or, one of my friend's favourite questions: Will a molecule count as a network?
You can keep your one atom transistors, I'm waiting for the chance to upgrade to a 2 1 H isotope!***
*No replies on the one-sided Fox special, please
**This has actually been around for a few years already, and has been mentioned on slashdot a few times, as well as making it to Michael Crichton's "Timeline", as a background to the ideas conveyed in the story.
***Don't tell me not to hold my breath, that, too, is another AnonCow-esk comment
**Disclaimer: Opinions cited by me are not necessarily my opinions. Facts cited by me are not necessarily facts.
Beyond 2000 (Score:1)
KaBoom??? (Score:1)
It won't do any good (Score:5)
Just look at some of the benchmarks on Tom'sHardware [tomshardware.com]. The majority of them are all dead even after processor speeds hit 8 or 9 hundred Mhz.
Some of the newer Athlon processors have 12x multipliers. That means the processor is working 12 times as fast as the rest of the system. This is wasteful, and you end up with a lot of dead processor cycles because the RAM/system bus can't provide enough data for processing. Manufacturer's need to stop throwing money at superfast processor development, and work on improving system bus speeds, and latency/throughput of RAM.
Half-Decayed Answer... (Score:2)
You call that small? (Score:1)
Getting Closer ... (Score:1)
Terra-Transistor Processors + Terra-Terra-byte Storage + IBM's Quantum Teleportation [ibm.com] = "Beam Me Up Scotty"
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --