Scaling Walls With Suction Cups 124
tedtarg writes "What will those clever Germans think of next? The BBC has a story
on a cool device called a gekkomat. Basically a set of suction cups that let u crawl up the side of buildings... Definitely a good tool for Batman to emulate Spiderman." Scaling walls is a good super power. Now lets get on scaling buildings in a single bound.
It figures (Score:1)
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
Of course, you would hope they'd have a manual backup pump so you could fight the leaks until help arrived.
Floor pullers! (Score:2)
And when it's late and you start getting punchy, you really do think of things like this...
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intersting (Score:1)
a large vacume pump with large surface area plungers. I wouldnt' call it profound. my only problem is what happens when you half way up and you snag a line. thats like being 500 feet down and blowing a hose. and whats the practical use. window washing, utility work. how does it out way a ladder or a scafolding. and how high can you climb before yoru too tired. also what range of motion does it allow to do work. or is it strong enough to allow you to bring up equipment ??
Suction Cup -- the Song! (Score:2)
but now I've found a special hobby
and I'm doin' all right
Line from the song Suction Cup 6.1 [mp3.com] by Sofina [mp3s.com] on mp3.com. Great tune.
(Nope, I'm not in the band, but they're local to my area and they're pretty darn good).
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Buildings in a single bound (Score:2)
Power skip [entertainfla.com]
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Poliglut [poliglut.com]
Easy, except you die. (Score:1)
Scaling buildings in a single bound is easy, there's lots of technological solutions that can launch a 75kg mass over a large building. Surviving the impact on the other side, THAT is the hard part!
It's a bird, it's a plane, it's...
a smeared blob of flesh, bone and muscle.
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:4)
Re:Problem! (Score:2)
Now, true enough, windows have been known to pop off of highrises in strong winds (ouch!) but rarely, and that in newer buildings where installation was sloppy.
But this whole suction cup thing has been done in countless movies and old Mission: Impossible episodes using the two-suction-cups-and-a-handle device used for pulling floor tiles in raised-floor computer rooms.
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:2)
-Chris
...More Powerful than Otto Preminger...
Re: (Score:2)
Cool, but incorrectly named.... (Score:1)
A gecko does not use suction to cling to walls. Although their toes look like little suction caps, they actually cling to walls via billions of tiny hairs on the ends of their toes, not by air pressure.
--Gfunk
For just this reason... (Score:1)
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Suction cups require a pretty clean surface to work. I suppose a clever climber could carry a big vat of vaseline, and smear it over the surface to get airtight contact.
bukra fil mish mish
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suspect video (Score:1)
Their video was very suspicius. It looks to be more of a demo of what this might look like than an actual video of some guy climbing a building.
which means: vaporware
too bad.
Point and Grunt
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
as for the empire state building - you better get up there in 25 minutes. that's as long as the batteries will last
i like the "carrying capacity of 1 metric ton"...
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
If you realize you are about to run out of air pressure then you get out your mountain climbing equipement and do it the old fashion way. I.e. hammer a bolt into the surface you are climbing and hook a line into your harness. If you are climbing a building, it *might* be hard to hammer into steel - but there is almost always some thing to grab onto in bulding structures - window ledges, etc.
Direct Link to Gekkomat Video (Score:2)
It's a 4.2 MB file, which I haven't had any luck playing yet.
Alex T-B
St Andrews
Re:Could violate the DMCA. (Score:1)
Why only an electronic lock? Did mechanics suddenly stop being technology or something?
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:2)
It looks cool, but it strikes me as dangerous as hell - there's no way I'd personally try it.
Oh, the Humanity! (Score:2)
Then there's the peeping tom factor. One could scale Natalie Portman's apartment buildings, peeking through cracks in curtains...
It's a great day for the trolls, and a sad day for the Rest of Us.
Am I the only one who (Score:2)
It's "geekomatic" !
Gods. I need more coffee, methinks.
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:2)
Spy Fox (Score:2)
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Re:This is awsome... Consumer Cat Burgler Gear! (Score:1)
Other Ideas. (Score:5)
Hang from celing of womens bathroom. Find out why they always take so long.
Hide from/ambush DBA's who want to work you to death 5 minutes before you leave.
Get a extremely large set of these, attach entire desk to celing. Work inverted all day long. pass out.
attach to airplane before takeoff. Free trip, anywhere. Hint: dress warmly, carry a parachute, just in case..
Climb buildings, save kitties, become hero of many young children.
Climb kitties, save buildings, $%*@* off PETA.
paint body like lizard. spend entire day on wall, sticking tonge out at people.
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:2)
Re:The "Inaneness" of Slashdot (Score:1)
Have you been to a linux expo / tradeshow and met / walked by and laughed at these guys ?
They're geeks. They're DORKS. They don't have good haircuts, they don't shave, some might smell a little. Who doesn't ?
But -
That isn't to say they're not good people.
They are adults, but they aren't "grown ups" by a longshot.
I can see it now (Score:2)
Spectators were stunned to see the German who has been identified as Wolfgang Dirk Schmidt yelling "Arschlock!!" while falling to his death.
Investigators used shovels to scoop up his remains for analysis at Quantico VA, in efforts to present a case against the German goverment for inventing what they dub as "suction cups of mass destruction."
Stay tuned
another shameless scooby-doo rip off (Score:2)
Since Hilda used to be a circus performer, she obviously didn't need the suction cups.
Next they'll develop telepathic powers with which to communicate with Creatures of the Sea, and claim they're all innovative.
Suction? (Score:1)
Whoa Taco managed to post a story without the word "porn" inside!!
Re:Oh, the Humanity! (Score:1)
>will no longer be limited to the online world--we'll see it on the
>side of buildings, hanging from bridges, everywhere.
Just wait until Space Invader [space-invaders.com] starts distributing them to his minions...
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
Malcolm solves his problems with a chainsaw,
Re:Crouching Tiger, Hidden Mailman..... (Score:1)
When was the last time _you_ wanted to climb a building?
About 2 seconds after I saw the article ?
Who needs a real use for this thing ? It's cool as anything, and I want one now ! Hell, I want one for my cat too.
Glassier cups (Score:1)
Haven't they done this before? (Score:1)
Re:The "Inaneness" of Slashdot (Score:1)
Hmmmmmmm (Score:1)
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Re:The "Inaneness" of Slashdot (Score:2)
Seth
All your buildings are belong to us! (Score:1)
Re:Cute, for emergency rescue? I don't think so. (Score:1)
Re:Also a wall-climbing robot.... (Score:2)
As seen on last night's tommorow's world (Score:2)
A well known BBC television program....
Links
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
Re:Hmmmmmmm (Score:2)
Re:Crouching Tiger, Hidden Mailman..... (Score:1)
What about the rest? (Score:1)
One aspect of spider-man is now done. But where are the web-throwing pads at wrists, the superior strength and other features? I want them too! ;)
Computer suggestions? (Score:5)
"If irregularities should occur despite intensive safety measures
which are built into the machine, error codes are displayed and alternatives
to solve the situation are offered by the computer."
I can see it now, halfway up the Empire State Building: Poor suction detected. Please shutdown and perform a check-disk.
Seriously, when you're halfway up a building and not generating enough suction, what suggestions can the computer offer other than "pray!" ???
In other news... (Score:2)
Problem! (Score:1)
Alright, this is a kinda cool idea, and it's great that the system generates enough suction to support a metric ton...
But given that the exteriors of most modern buildings are primarily glass...it seems to limit the usability of the device.
After all, what pane of glass can support a metric ton? Hell, I weigh 180 pounds, add 50 more for the gekkopad, and that's 230. 230 pounds suspended from a pane of glass via suction on the side of a skyscraper...
Doesn't strike me as too good an idea.
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Yo soy El Fontosaurus Grande!
Helmet? (Score:1)
Could violate the DMCA. (Score:2)
Yes, I know it's far fetched....but would you not have said the same about a hyperlink being considered a violation?
It could be a burgular tool.
Just food for thought.
What about stucco? (Score:1)
Re:The "Inaneness" of Slashdot (Score:2)
So read Ars and stop complaining. Stick to sites with are concerned with presenting material in a grown up way. Read the Wall Street Journal.
Come on, you have to admit,
Ask yourself: Do nerds not have a sense of humor? Or is it just you?
I did not think it physically possible . . . (Score:1)
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Kill me now (Score:1)
Insert rimshot and rotten tomato throwing here
The "Inaneness" of Slashdot (Score:1)
Sorry, I don't mean to flame here, but this is something I've been thinking about for a while and this seems like a good time to put it into words.
Another site I enjoy reading is Ars. They don't post as many articles per day as /. and don't have as many user comments (that could be a good thing), but their articles are usually well-researched, low-hype and well-thought out comments by the poster. Contrast that with CmdrTaco's foolish statement about "Hey--let's jump over buildings now!"
Yes, this is news for nerds. And it's mostly stuff that matters. But can't it be responsible news for nerds? And how about "stuff that matters--presented in a grown up way." I wish that authors here on /. would have a little more editorial integrity, a little more displayed smarts, and and little less of the hype and misleading articles that we've been seeing lately.
Thanks,
Daniel.
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Brute Force - A Poor Subsitute For Nature (Score:2)
Re:"Hello, Human Fly here!" (Score:1)
Re:Other Ideas. (Score:1)
Pfft. BlueWave owns.
RTFA - The article *IS ABOUT* TW! (Score:1)
BIG PROBLEM not addressed (Score:1)
plop plop...ahhhhhhh (Score:1)
Re:This is awsome... Consumer Cat Burgler Gear! (Score:2)
Prior Art! (Score:2)
Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip
Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
Funny. Angelina Jolie would rock at that part....
Gekkos don't use suction. (Score:1)
Gekkos are unique in that they can cling to smooth surfaces even in a vacuum. This is because they don't use suction. Instead they have hairs on the pads of their feet which branch multiple times until they are fine enough for the Van der Waal's forces in the surface's molecules to attract them.
Although the attraction of any one hair is miniscule, they add up to enough to hold the gekko in place, even when upside-down.
-deane
Gooroos Software: plugging you in to Maya
Clever?! (Score:1)
Also a wall-climbing robot.... (Score:2)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_ 673000/673265.stm [bbc.co.uk]
Tom.
Re:Could violate the DMCA. (Score:2)
Like when the MPAA tried to stop those who were linking [slashdot.org] to DeCSS?
This is nothing new... (Score:1)
also, scaling buildings [cnn.com] isn't new either.
Getting stuck up there (Score:2)
I wonder what you start thinking when you get stuck up 5 floors high, with nobody to see you and no battery life... for the whole night!!! That would be almost like this guy from Darwin awards who went flying on the chair.
P.S. My Casio camera sucks batteries even faster than this device.
[Offtopic]Casio's technical support should receive pine-apples up their asses every hour. They are the most incompetent bunch of freaks I know. 24 hours on the phone - result 0%.
You aint missing anything.. (Score:1)
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Suction on porous surfaces? (Score:1)
Manual suction cups for climbing windows or such have been around for quite some time. I'm wondering what they've done to those pads to allow them to get suction on surfaces like concrete. Best I could pick up for the site is that there is some level of tolerance for porousness in the surface, and if it gets too bad, it won't work. Plus, it seems the suction unit on the climbers back can keep increasing the suction as air filters into the pad. So the remaining question is "What did they do to the pads themselves to make even that possible?" and, perhaps more importantly, how durable is that modification? Does it require a coating that rubs off after a while? Does it wear down quickly?
Nevermind that I've never seen a cordless vacuum cleaner that both had good suction and decent battery life...
Where are your skills? (Score:1)
(Voice dripping with contempt) - Havn't you learned to rocket jump yet. I can scale cities in a single bound.
Scale in a single bound? (Score:1)
Rimshot, please... (Score:1)
And they said the design wouldn't scale.
Re:Kill me now (Score:2)
Hmm, will they suck the chrome off of bumpers? (Score:1)
Re:Its called weight. (Score:2)
At the heart of the system are the suction cups, each of which can hold 250 kilograms (550 lbs).
The suction cups (all four will support ~one ton. Allowing for one failing to get proper suction, and one disengaged during moviement, you've still got ~ 1000lbs of support, plenty for carrying two large people and several hundred pounds of equipment.
Re: Weight supported by 'Gekkonaut'. The climber is only supporing his weight and the weight of the backpack gear (66 lbs), as the suction cups support themselves. During movement, the climber must also support the weight of one 'sucker'. Hard to operate and carry a person down? Yes. But if it's your only/best option, I could see it working.
Re: Why doesn't system auto-disengage available sucker? That sounds like a bad idea. Like rock climbing, this probably takes a bit of concentration, and you don't want a suction cup suddenly letting go of the wall when you're not expecting it (e.g. when you're planning your next move up a burning building's wall).
Ignoring that, my prediction is that this will be the hot 'must-have' toy this christmas. I know I want one!
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This was in a Superman movie (Score:1)
tilt (Score:1)
swoop, swoop
Help, I am falli...
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Excellent! Problem is tho, um, something pushing against the building would probably push me off. Better not do it... maybe a robo-pr0tman-cam!!!
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All your
Hardware? (Score:2)
-- .sig are belong to us!
All your
Tomorrows World (Score:2)
Leaping over a building in a single bound (Score:1)
Make a large pile of explosives on the sidewalk.
Place a large heavily armored box on top of the explosives
Update your last will and testament.
Crawl into the box
Close watertight lid.
Seal tightly (air holes will not be needed!)
Set off explosives.
In this case the sudden stop at the end will not kill you.
Any attempt to leap buildings in a single bound which does not involve continuous propulsion systems should have the same problem.
If you solve this problem let me know
Superman had this first (Score:1)
If I recall correctly, didn't the thief on the first Superman movie had suction cups the he used to climb up glass? His worked ok, and they were smaller! I wonder if the movie industry patented their idea...they could sue the inventor for untold hundreds.
Wow! (Score:2)
Re:Direct Link to Gekkomat Video (Score:2)
No, It isn't Sorenson, since it plays on IRIX6.5's Media Player. It's probabally just CinePak MPG3, or something equally as old. At any rate, if it players on IRIX, its an old Quicktime format and as such should play in Realplayer, MediaPlayer, Quicktime, and probabally some OSS codecs.
This was shown on UKTV (Score:1)
This is awsome... Consumer Cat Burgler Gear! (Score:2)
--CTH
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Re:Computer suggestions? (Score:1)
Er... Well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um... destroying a forest. Or something.
Security issues (Score:1)
I would be kinda scared to use something like this. You are trusting your life with something that, well...SUCKS.
Re:The "Inaneness" of Slashdot (Score:2)
(A) The word you're looking for is "inanity."
(B) Why does Slashdot need to post "responsible news for nerds" or present anything in a "grown-up manner?" If I want dry, humourless news, I read the newspaper. If I want dry, humourless, tech news, I read the tech news at the New York Times. If I want to read about new root exploits, reviews of books that only geeks would read, and other dork-related drivel, I go to /., and well I should. You don't pay for it, so don't bitch about content. Just don't read the stories that are "inane."
As for accuracy, hype, and misinformation? This is the `net, pal. Read at your own risk.
Cute, for emergency rescue? I don't think so. (Score:2)
Regardless I think they are neat, but I see a bigger use in inspection and construction than rescue.
Another point, why do they need the lcd displays at all? Why can't a processor simply determine if there are enough currently active supports to allow movement of any specific one? I think with some coaching and computer assist you could actually increase your ascent. Basically the computer would free the pad it wants you to move next, with enough practice you should be able to move quicker.
Its called weight. (Score:2)
Weight of gear, and the heat because of the gear (as in you can sweat so much you pass out) - he understands the tradeoff... cause he still has his skin.
the issue is that these pads might be able to support the weight of two humans, but the human scaling the building still has to be able to do the same. That is why all rescues involve rescurers who are not required to use their strength to support both people!. At worse their strength is needed to support the person they are rescuing.
next is the fact that he has his own weight to contend with, this is not the same as standing on the ground. I don't know about you, but I guarantee it will get tiring moving those pads, and that doesn't count fact it has ZERO backup safety that cable suspended rescue persons have or those on high extension ladders... you will still need a cable suspended from above to make this acceptable to recue people
Mirror (Score:2)
So here's my cynicism for the day... (Score:2)
I'd love to see the window cleaner using this equipment when it starts to rain and his suction cups slide down the glass from his weight. Interesting technology, I admit, but I'll stick to scaffolding and ladders for all my wall-climbing needs.
Re:Suction on porous surfaces? (Score:2)
Re:Problem! (Score:3)
Re:Brute Force - A Poor Subsitute For Nature (Score:4)
So in other words they should have used technology that doesn't suck.