Evolution 1.0 Beta 1 Released 79
battery841 writes: "Evolution 1.0 Beta 1 has been released. An announcement has been released. The RPMs and tarballs can be downloaded from Ximian. This is the first beta release, and a major step to the much awaited 1.0 release." The last time I tried Evolution it was very buggy, but that was a long time ago - time to give it another try.
Re:English please (Score:1)
Money well spent (Score:1)
Re:Why use evolution? (Score:1)
And it's much easier to work with because it is written in C++, unlike that lame ass object-styled C interface that GNOME picked up from GTK.
Re:What else is new (Score:1)
You know, you have a few options, and since you are obviously without clue as to what those are, I'll lay them out for you:
1) Don't use Alpha or Beta software.
2) Just pay Microsoft and live with the bugs and security holes while they take 3 months to release a service pack to fix them(maybe).
3) Quit using computers.
Oh yes, and there is the fourth reason I'm sure you'll opt for:
4) Keep using Alpha and Beta software and then complain about having to update them all the time, as if that somehow demonstrates a flaw in open source software. I mean, you probably won't convince anyone who understands what Alpha and Beta level software is, but if you try really hard, I'm sure you'll be able to keep believing it yourself(and any anti-open source bigots you might have around you).
Oh, and lest I forget:
EVOLUTION ROCKS!!! Talk about one hell of a shot in the arm to the Linux platform!!!
Re:Evolution may be buggy.... (Score:1)
The theory of evolution is missing millions upon millions of intermediate species from the fossil record. But I guess 200+ years of conjecture by pseduo intellectualists and bits and pieces of largely contrived(and many times, later refuted or quietly abandoned) "evidence" is good enough to convince an objective thinker like you huh?
Hehehe. The little lies we tell ourselves and the lengths of zealotry the zealots go to stamp out zealotry.
WE DON'T CARE!!! (Score:1)
None of the developers cares even a bit about it!
The fact is that the entire war was made up by trolls who have nothing else to do.
So even if KDE is better, WHO CARES? That doesn't immediately convert all GNOME users too KDE users!
So take your stupid war back to the M$ Windows world and start a war about M$IE vs MSN Explorer!
Re:Stability (Score:1)
I understand the desire to produce free software if at all possible, but there are a large number of applications that simply wouldn't be written if there wasn't commercial software. I'm sure there are thousands of verticle-market applications that have taken millions upon millions of dollars to create that simply could not be done if they weren't sold afterwards.
My problem is with saying it's "wrong" to write closed-source software altogether. Until someone can tell me how to support my family by writing open-source occupational safety and health software, I can't agree with your statement. This is important software that nobody would do unless they were paid for it.
Evolution buggy (Score:5)
Case in point: George "Dubya" Bush
*rim shot*
Debian and Questions (Score:2)
I can see the latest snapshots which are 0.10+cvsxxxx, but well, where do I download this? I run a debian system without ximian and would like to download via deb (the old spidermonkey.* sources.list is gone) without having to depend on all the ximian stuff and replace half my libs.
And I'm sure that'll get worked out relatively soon, but in the interm, where is the source!?
Re:Evolution .11 impressions (Score:2)
Evolution .11 impressions (Score:4)
First of all, the link [gnome.org] to the sources provided in the original announcement and the "latest release" page on ximian.com has the
First impression is that it looks great! Well, honestly my first impression was "fscking peice of
I'm not going to bitch at UI problems here
You have to go to your folders to get to imap mailboxes. When you click on something the mailboxes 'tab' immediately dissapears without what you clicked on highlighting, so you don't know if you mis-clicked or not (unless its showing all the time from the view menu).
I've been so looking forward to the nice integrated GUI gpg support. Sadly, my key id (which the interface for sucks btw, you are not given any idication what you're supposed to put in there or where to get the information from) is NOT SAVED when I apply the settings.
S/MIME certificate support. Oh god I thought I was going to blow a load when I saw this. I have been waiting for ages for this in something other than netscape mail (which sucks) and I was overjoyed to have this. Certificate ID? What is that? Where do I get it? The "digital ids" button does nothing. When I type in my name (no clue what else to do) it isn't saved either, so I guess it doesn't matter.
When I click on tasks I get asked to pick a time zone. When I click on calendar I get asked to pick a time zone. Shouldn't they be able to share information?
Even after picking the time zone it doesn't appear in the tools-> settings menu
Under tasks tools->tasks preferences doesn't do anything
At one point I got a 0x0 window that I couldn't get rid of. It didn't dissapear when I shut down evolution and I ended up having to killall evolution-mail to get rid of it
The "Define Views" is a neat idea, but very buggy.
If the main component crashes (which it did thanks to the above item about defining views) wouldn't it be a good idea to give the user the option to restart it?
Threaded message list option is not saved
.debs have features turned off or something.
All in all a bit dissapointing, especially for the pgp and s/mime options. Also absent were smtp/imap/pop3 over ssl (which I thought were said to be there, but maybe not). These things would be good to have, and would (IMHO) show the mark of a truely mature and advanced mail client (and would make me an instant believer!
So conclusion, much better, and probably great for day to day mail, but still has a ways to go before I'll switch. I'm going to go and file some bugs now, and maybe build from source in case the
Re:Last snapshot I have seen... (Score:3)
iirc you have to still select all mails in a folder; ctrl+y ( apply filters ) to apply filters to stored mail.
At least once it failed
Also the mailbox format is easy to remover - I corrupted my inbox several times now -- often all I have to do is remove the *.ibex for that folder and it's fixed...When pine uses imap, it doesn't use any mailboxes locally and completely relies on the server. Since I use Cyrus, it allows me to have >100000 messages in a folder without any loss of performance.
Last snapshot I have seen... (Score:4)
Looks good, needs SIMAP/SSMTP support (Score:2)
Wait a second... (Score:5)
</joke>
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:3)
Doesn't beta exactly mean the feature list is frozen?
Re:Looks good, needs SIMAP/SSMTP support (Score:1)
Jason.
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:3)
Re:Evolution .11 impressions (Score:1)
Hooray :) (Score:1)
Must admit though, I've been using version 0.9 for a few months now,
on Mandrake 8, and I've never suffered a crash or bug with that version...
perhaps I've just been lucky?
Anyhoo, download time for me
rgds.
Re:Hooray :) (Score:1)
rgds.
Re:Looks good, needs SIMAP/SSMTP support (Score:5)
The camel library from Evolution is the most advanced mail library in existance right now. The API was inspired by the JavaMail design, but it has been extended and improved to deal with many real world situations that JavaMail did not cope back in the day.
For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:5)
You can also read an functional overview [ximian.com] of Evolution and what it has to offer.
Since Evolution is not feature frozen, we are polishing the GUI and killing all bugs that we have reported so far, you can help by going to the developers [ximian.com] page and learn about how to report bugs on Evolution or how to send your favorite patch and improvement.
You can get Evolution using Red Carpet [ximian.com] (that is how I installed it myself a few minutes ago). Select the `Ximian Preview' channel and then select Evolution, all the required software will be installed for you.
Finally, now that I am pasting URLs, I would like to say that on the preview channel you can also find the latest two great contributions of Ximian to GNOME (plug, plug). The Ximian Setup Tools is there for people to test (ie, unified System Administration across Unix systems, with a nice and friendly GNOME UI). The technology behind it is extremely nice. And we are also previewing the Metatheme selector, which allows you to change all the theme setting across the board in your desktop.
Love,
Miguel.
Re:Last snapshot I have seen... (Score:1)
Also the mailbox format is easy to remover - I corrupted my inbox several times now -- often all I have to do is remove the *.ibex for that folder and it's fixed...
I have been using as my primary mailer for months now.
Re:Why use evolution? (Score:2)
No, in fact it's all up front for you to use, because you *have* to. Inheritance? Manual. Polymorphism? Manual. Overloading? Manual. Hell, why not just write an OO language in C and use that, you could still say you're programming in C (how many C apps end up implementing their own little languages after all?) Isn't the point of a high-level languge to insulate you from the low level details? God knows I certainly don't concern myself with reference locality or pointer arithmetic when I'm programming in python.
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Re:Debian and Questions (Score:1)
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:2)
Re:Debian and Questions (Score:2)
Re:Where is it? Is it "0.11-ximian.2"? (Score:2)
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:2)
This is a major feature Evolution? Sounds vaguely Microsoftian to me;}
Here's the link after its Slashdot-ectomy. [ximian.com]
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monkey (Score:2)
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:1)
Silly Miggy
Re:Outlook --> Evolution (Score:1)
Re:Outlook --> Evolution (Score:1)
Re:What About Outlook? (Score:3)
The problem with the Outlook files is that they are in a proprietry database format, and the only way to access the data stored in them is via mapi.dll. The same with Exchanges messaging, the over the wire protocol is proprietry.
Re:what Evolution needs.... (Score:3)
Re:Stability (Score:2)
One of the reasons mindless trolls have left to refuse to use QT and KDE is that QT is GPLed, not LGPLed, which makes it impossible to write closed source programs using QT without paying TrollTech a licence fee. In contrast, you are perfectly free to write a closed source application using GTK and Gnome, because they are LGPLed.
So, you are using a system which makes it easier to produce closed source programs, and you are sneering at a company which produces closed source programs. Are you feeling ok?
Re:Why use evolution? (Score:3)
There are advantages to doing OO code in C -- it shows you exactly what is going on, and doesn't hide anything from you. Most people would use lots of boiler-plate templates, and just fill in the blanks.
If you want simplicity and ease of use, try some real high-level languages. Python, for example, shows you that mixed metaphor languages don't have to be a cluttered, unreadable mess. Lisp (and its modern relatives like Scheme) is beautifully pure, with a simple specification (ignoring the abomination of CL), and is also very readable once you've hit your head against the monitor 5 or 6 times (although I wouldn't want to code it in an editor without a decent Lisp-mode).
Getting back to the main point: KDE may be more polished, but at the moment Gnome has better apps in many areas. Hopefully, Gnome will gain polish, KDE will gain applications, and in 2 years time we will have two excellent free UNIX desktops.
Re:Evolution and innovation? (Score:3)
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:2)
Re:For a list of features and a terse introduction (Score:2)
Re:Actually, No. (Score:2)
No, but perhaps I should have. I didn't know this beta was out until I saw the story on the page and started reading the comments.
Since it's a predictable genre of comment whenever software releases are mentioned on
Added to which, there's just something weirdly negative about complaining when something in the world doesn't perfectly conform to some arbitrary vision of what it *should* be based on prior experiences
that would be boring and dumb
(note -- by 'places in the world' I mean ones not under your own direct complete control -- it would be weird to come home and find Weird Al feeding your kitten anchovies from a tin, especially if you don't have a kitten already.)
Anyhow.
timothy
Actually, No. (Score:3)
In fact, relatively few software releases reach Slashdot (a few more if you count the sections, where slightly more esoteric releases might reach, say, the Apache section).
A 1.0 version (OK, a 1.0 beta in this case) of what is one of the most-awaited pieces of software in the Free software world is not the typical announcement you'd find on Freshmeat -- are you nodding along with me, or shaking your head in disagreement?
Yesterday, Freshmeat listed around 70 pieces of software, and doubtless other sites (like the apps page of KDE, or the recent software of GNOME's site) listed apps which were not also listed at freshmeat. Some of that software is probably just as interesting overall as Evolution, and a lot of smaller pieces are certainly interesting when viewed for what they might turn into (sound aps plus video aps, some cool possibilities for the near future).
Slashdot has a lot of other types of stories, but heck, since a lot of people here are interested in Free / Open Source software, is it not appropriate that occasionally we mention ... Free / Open Source software?
Also, completely serious, if you know of stories you'd rather see here, submit them :) [slashdot.org]. That's where the vast majority of stories on this site come from. A lot of people pointed out the release of Evolution, and besides, it's something that's been the topic of both excitement and criticism for a long time. Outside of mailing lists, how many other places do you get to see comments from Miguel explaining in near-real time his company's software / plans? I think that's pretty cool.
And as a last resort, you can also choose not to see the stories in categories where software might be announced or talked about; just go to your user preferences. I'm personally glad to see this announcement here (just logged in after 4 hours of driving), but tastes differ violently. If we had a "sports" section, I'd probably block that ;)
Cheers,
timothy
Re:Outlook --> Evolution (Score:1)
Couldn't you just export the mail folders to a csv flat file and slap together a little perl script to change it to mbox format?
Or is there not enough info in the export file?
-Bruce
Don't forget! (Score:5)
Re:What else is new (Score:1)
If I only had a dolphin for every CVS checkout, I'd have alot of dolphins.
Tip and Screenshot (Score:4)
Screenshot: check out the funky new (and configurable) summary page [ximian.com]!
COPYRIGHT! (Score:1)
Re:Outlook --> Evolution (Score:1)
Where is it? Is it "0.11-ximian.2"? (Score:2)
Can anybody point me at the right thing to download if this isn't it? I'm dying to see this thing. Thanks.
TomatoMan
Re:Looks good, needs SIMAP/SSMTP support (Score:1)
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Re:Evolution may be buggy.... (Score:1)
asdf (Score:1)
Re:Stability (Score:2)
Don't get me wrong - I like theKompany. Any company that released any software GPL'd is doing something right. They certainly do 'get it' more than most other companies. I just happen to believe that it's fundamentally wrong to sell closed-source software. It's nice that they're contributing to the community and all, and hey - we're not forced to use their proprietary plugins/stencils. In fact, we're free to make our own using their Open technology. But it's still wrong to write closed software:P
I've heard all the arguments about software not being politics before, and don't care to get into it here. Regardless of what the nay-sayers spout, I won't be adding non-free to my sources.list anytime soon.
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Re:Stability (Score:2)
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Stability (Score:3)
But it's a little bit discouraging when you install the binaries through red-carpet, rm -rf your existing ~/evolution directory, run oaf-slay, start evolution and then find that it crashed consistently if you try to open the 'Welcome to Evolution' email.
I'll go file a bug report now... - James
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Re:It doesn't matter anyway because... (Score:1)
Damn....Just blew my moderation of this discussion.
I really want to try this out... (Score:2)
Re:what Evolution needs.... (Score:1)
Evolution and innovation? (Score:2)
All in all, it's a very solid, feature-complete client. Especially for those with Outlook envy. But I think the GTK/GNOME community could do (and would like) something a bit more original. But hey, it's certainly a lot better than the Netscape mail client!
Re:Evolution may be buggy.... (Score:1)
-Medgur
what Evolution needs.... (Score:2)
until then, i'm stickin to good old Pine
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Re:Evolution .11 impressions (Score:2)
Major problems (Score:1)
First, the freshly-installed Ximian Red Carpet installer hung whenever I selected an unsubscribed channel. It would say "Receiving channel data..." or something like that and do nothing for many minutes. I finally installed a Red Carpet RPM that I grabbed via ftp and was then able to use Red Carpet to get Evolution Beta 0.11.
Now in Evolution Beta 0.11, with "Leave Mail on Server" and "Check for new mail every 1 minute" options set, it pulls the same mail off my server every minute. I didn't notice until I had ten copies of everything.
Finally, I tried sending mail. No matter what I select for authentication options (authentication required or not, authentication method=password/CRAM-MD5/DIGEST-MD5/NT Server) Evolution tells me my server doesn't support authentication type PLAIN.
What's up with that? Is anyone getting this to work? Seems like alpha software to me. Right in line with Taco's recent rant about Linux usability, I guess. I suppose I'll try the MonkeyTalk or Bug Buddy thing next...
Re:What else is new (Score:1)
Re:What About Outlook? (Score:1)
Re:windows port (Score:1)
This isn't as hilarious as it sounds. I'd like to have Evolution for Windows. And once (if?) a groupware back end for Evolution is developed, having clients for mulitple platforms would be great.
Outlook --> Evolution (Score:1)
Which raises the main issue (aside from overall stability) that would prevent me from switching to Evolution today: can it import the mail database from Outlook?
Q
Evolution may be buggy.... (Score:5)
Screw 3...
Need An Audio Alert When Receiving a New Message (Score:1)
Re:Why use evolution? (Score:1)
Re:oh, excuuuuuuuse me! (Score:1)
Bullshit (Score:1)
More bullshit (Score:1)
If you were a "KDE or Gnome person", you'd remember things like this [slashdot.org].
You claim to speak for both camps. Did you confer with them first, or did you just assume everyone accepted your point of view? This despite the fact that you have nothing to do with either.
If KDE people liked gnome, they'd develop for it. The fact that they don't proves that I am right.
Who's trolling? (Score:1)
Re:Who's trolling? (Score:1)
oh, excuuuuuuuse me! (Score:2)
I seem to have expressed the incorrect opinion once again. How can I make amends? Ah! Of course:
With this new release of unstoppable GNU/Linux software, Linux will surely replace Windows on the desktop. The unparalleled brilliance of the Open Source development methodology has produced another example of robust software superior in every way to the primitive and poorly written Micro$loth versions. I know we've been saying this for the last four years, but every time this happens, I feel more certain that within the next four years, Linux will rule the desktop market.
OO in C (Score:2)
It still strikes me as a very silly idea. A large part of the point of OO is supposed to be encapsulation. When working on a huge application, it is counter-productive to bombard a programmer with information. While C does give you a better idea of what's going on, it's dubious as to whether or not this is particularly useful when coding desktop apps. The argument could be made that you could use asm, and get a real good idea of what is going on.
The point of coding in languages like C++ is that the programmer sacrifices some control over his code in order to make coding faster and project management easier. Additionally, there are considerable advantages to sensible use of things like templates and the STL.
Frankly, I consider Sun's adoption of Gnome to be a kiss-of-death. They seem to have a history of adopting UIs and watching them crash and burn.
windows port (Score:1)