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The Sound of Safety? 271

Posted by michael from the chusssh-chusssh-chusssh dept.
Nostrada writes: "Gone are the days of mobile phones ringing with the latest and greatest melodies? Following this article, "A new sound that could revolutionise mobile telephones and safety alarms because it is less intrusive yet easy to pinpoint is being ordered worldwide after being developed by a British scientist." Anyone got some URLs for samples?"
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  • You kidding me? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Is anyone else taking the "virtually impossible not to turn towards the sound" argument with a few grains of salt?

    Even if it is true, what happens when everyone in a crowded area has a cellphone with this ring? I mean, if you're as compelled to look in the direction of the sound as this article makes it seem, you'll get whiplash from your head bouncing around to look at different phones going off.

    If it's too widely used, I don't see how we aren't just going to filter this effect out subconsciously, even if it's all that the article cracks it up to be.

  • psychologic of sound/acoustics (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    It is well known that the ear has difficulty resolving the directional source and distance of pure-tone sounds, such as typical beeps, sirens, alarms, etc. This is mainly the point of developing the new sound... unfortunately the author of the artical knows nothing about psycho-acoustics.

    The 'cshuush' shound would be better in this regard for alarms because you can tell exactly which direction its coming from, due to the fact that is has a broader spectrum.

  • The end of the world is coming (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I hate to sound apocalyptic, but does anyone else get the impression that the modern economic system is on the verge of collapse?

    In the old days, people used to earn a living doing things like building cars, or making clothes, or growing and harvesting food -- i.e., they would be creating physical objects or performing useful services and selling them to people.

    But the problem was that you could only make a limited amount of money doing that. After all, a person's time and energy are limited: each individual can only make a few clothes, build a few cars, or harvest a small amount of food. Sure, you can make a decent living doing those things, but you can never get really filthy rich.

    So people came up with a better way of getting filthy rich. Instead of selling a few tangible things to a small number of people, they would generate something intangible (which can be mass-produced with little or no effort), and sell that to millions of people. Sure, maybe it's too small to generate a large profit for each unit, but since you can easily sell millions of the little thingys with no expenditure of energy on your part, you can get rich pretty quickly.

    So what are the consequences of this:

    • Instead of studying for a real career, our kids are too busy fantasizing about being movie stars, athletes or rock musicians, hoping to get rich by selling millions of CD's and collecting a few pennies off each one. (All these fantasies enthusiastically encouraged by the RIAA, of course.)
    • We have people patenting little snippets of software algorithms in the hope of getting a few percent royalties every time the algorithm is included in a program.
    • And now some enterprising individual is hoping to make a fortune selling people a sound, for crying out loud.

    And what's happened to the old-fashioned practice of actually making physical objects and selling them to people? We no longer do this anymore, at least not in industrialized countries. Our clothes are made in third-world sweat shops. The manufacture of automobiles is also gradually migrating to third-world countries (part by part, so nobody really notices). We used to have family farms, but these are now run by big corporations who import migrant labor when the time comes to actually harvest the crops.

    So this is the 21st century. In industrialized countries, we are completely dependent on third world labor to provide us with the necessities of life, while we scheme to get rich marketing intangible ideas, hoping each will be "the next big thing". How long can this situation last? If the third world stays poor, how long will it be before they become resentful of providing everything for us while we play around making ring tones?

    Worse -- if the third world develops, won't they eventually get sick of making Nikes and start also trying to get rich selling ring tones? If so, then this is the future: the entire world, naked, stranded, and starving, all hopelessly trying to survive marketing ring tones to one another.

  • Re:Pink Noise. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    White noise is spectrally balanced (all frequencies have the same energy level). Pink noise is balanced to the ear. Human hearing is not linear across the spectrum. Certain frequencies require more energy to be perceived at the same "loudness" as others.

  • Re:chusssh-chusssh-chusssh, huh? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    *woman in ecstasy's voice* OOOhhhhh God. I'm sooo horny...

    Obviously this ring won't make deaf people turn towards the cell phone, but it's gotta work better than "chusssh-chusssh-chusssh".

  • People have used this idea for aeons (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    This is certainly a good thing if it helps save lives or makes life easier, but I don't know if patenting it is warranted (or responsible!).

    A psychologist pointed out to me a few years ago that an excellent way to get attention is to make a tsa tsa tsa sound (think Skippy the Bush Kangaroo). She said she has noticed mothers doing this unconsciously when they wanted to distract children. It also appears in different cultures.

    Also consider the shhh sound we make to signal "be quiet". It is also a "natural" thing people have discovered. It is effective at getting atention, and in my experience is not that annoying (compare with typical mobile phone tones). Certainly if librarians bleeted "HONK HONK" to signal "quiet" we'd find it a tad distracting!

    So if people have discovered that white noise like sounds are good attention grabbers what does this say about prior art?

  • Re:Harley-Davidson... (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Harley withdrew their application when they learned they'd have to prove that the sound of their engines was both unique to their design and repeatable (i.e. the same on every bike). When they realized it would cost a fortune to prove this and that each bike sounded different they dropped their application.

  • Here's the URL to the company (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Well, they won't provide samples, but at least this is who they are:

    http://www.soundalert.co.uk/

  • commies! (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    All I can say is that for the sake of every red-blooded 'mercan out there I hope they get this thing patented, copyrighted, and restricted post-haste! The last thing we need is for some lifesaving advance to be available free to the public, that's bloody communism!

  • Uh oh. (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    "It initiates a reaction that makes you instantly turn towards that sound"

    This sound will also be heard before TV commercials, radio commercials, it will replace the windows startup sound, and children will learn to make it when they want something or want to annoy you. Not a nice thing to grace the earth with.

  • Re:Pink Noise. (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    White noise has a linear spectral power density, Pink noise has a logrithmic spectral power density.
    White noise has the same power density from 100-200 HZ as it does from 1100-1200 HZ or any other 100 HZ segment.
    Pink noise has the same power density from 100-200 Hz as it does from 1000-2000Hz or any other 2:1 octave ratio.
  • Here are some .AU files that are supposedly examples of the use of this Localizer sound in sirens for emergency vehicles. http://www.premierhazard.co.uk/sirentnj.html [premierhazard.co.uk]
    has anyone figured out how to reproduce this sound? i'm sure that if it's just white noise then any PC could be coaxed into mixing this sound with a more pleasing sound (instead of Localizer+Siren) to get your attention for things like chat messages and alerts (would be great in a NOC environment)

  • "I believe it's not only a world-beating British invention, but it is going to save thousands of lives every year."

    Okay this is a cool idea and I can dig it, I too am sick of hearing little electronic versions of Fur Elise everywhere I go. But why in the HELL should I care if it was invented in Britan?
  • "I heard them talking about this" ... "a year ago."

    That might have been 6 mos ago... I can't remember now that I think about it.

  • These sirens are supposed to be good (Score:3)

    by Malc ( 1751 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:18PM (#2192834)
    I heard them talking about this on CBC (Canadian national radio) a year ago. They were talking about the practical uses on ambulances and other emergency vehicles. Apparently tests in the UK had shown that emergency vehicles equiped with one of these new sirens could get to their destination faster (people knew where the sound was coming from and were better at getting out the way), and the number of secondary accidents was reduced (people crashing whilst looking for the emergency vehicle, etc).

    Ironicaly, for safety reasons introduction in to Canada (and the US???) will be delayed as there are strict guidelines and tests to meet for new sirens.
  • Okay, so you've got a fire engine going down the street, making a noise that makes everyone turn and look at it. As we know for driving school, when you look somewhere, you tend to drive that way. So we'd have all of these distracted drivers crashing into emergency vehicles. Great...
  • The person seems to be promoting this as something that makes people involuntarily look in a certain direction. With your average siren, you hear it, and can react appropriately; it doesn't turn your head. If it sound actually is just really easy to locate, it would make a great siren addition, but if it works, like she seems to be saying, by having everyone who can hear it turn to face toward the sound (and then realize where they're looking), that would detract from drivers' abilities to ignore the siren for a moment while they avoid the pedestrian or look for a place to pull over.

    I mean, she's suggesting that this will get people to look at security cameras. If it does that, it'll probably force people to look at the vehicle. It's probably pretty unlikely that people really just automatically turn and stare like she suggests, but if it did work that way, it wouldn't be good for a lot of situations.
  • Yeah, this has been around for a while. The ambulances here (Bath, UK) have this white noise between siren blasts. It's pretty good as you always know where they are.
  • Just to nitpick, you're assuming the headphone sound hasn't been processed through a HRTF like most binaural recordings are. Does anyone know of a free HRTF package?

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    My God, it's full of source!
  • I saw a bit on some police camera show on TLC about a similar sound being tested by some police force in Britain. Apparently the sound is easier for people to locate, allowing drivers to get out of the way of emergency services vehicles safely. Get the ambulance, fire truck, etc. to the scene faster, lives are bound to be saved. You're also less likely to have accidents as people panic from the police car pulling up behind them "without warning" (because they couldn't tell where it was and so weren't expecting it).

    The show was first run months ago, but it was just re-run lately. Same sound? Can't tell. ;-) But the same idea - broadband white noise in whooshing patterns in between siren bursts.
  • I'm surprised your friends haven't started carrying around mallets in case your phone rings. That, or like firemen, they associate the song with the video and get excited?

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  • People still get out of the way in the UK when they hear sirens? It's sad, but true, that over the past couple years I've noticed I'm about the only driver on the road that pulls over onto the shoulder when he hears a siren. And this has been in multiple states, in both the city and suburbs, surface streets and highways.

    I wonder what that says about US drivers in general? Maybe a lack of desire to survive?

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  • Not too great on IE 5.0 when you don't let them "upgrade" Media Player to the newer, more evil version. After I set the preferences for audio only (don't want the sales pitch, just want to hear what the sound sounds like) I got a still picture and then it crashed IE. Or gave IE an excuse to self-destruct. :-)
  • Kate Bush? That *was* years ago.
  • On this side of the Atlantic, especially out West in cattle country, the phrase "rustling televisions" has quite a different meaning. :-)

    I just tried the PremierHazard link from post #79. What this sounds like is a siren run through an amp that's intermittent at about a 3 or 4 Hz rate. Think of a siren interspersed with the "microphone keying" burst of static which television has trained us to associate with police 2-way radios. It's very annoying, but doesn't seem any more directional than the siren itself. The directional cues probably come as much from the interruption of the siren by the noise (and then the noise by the siren) as from the noise itself.

  • "...people couldn't avoid emergency vehicles because they were unsure as to where the sound was coming from."

    Yeah, well that and the fact that in the unlikely event that any of the sound of the siren got through their rolled up windows, blasting stereos, and roaring air conditioners, they couldn't be bothered to turn down the radio, roll down the window, start slowing down just in case, and look around, including checking their rear-view mirrors.

  • Re:Pink Noise versus White Noise (Score:3)

    by unitron ( 5733 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @09:35PM (#2192846) Homepage Journal
    It's been years and years so I forget which is which, but one of them, as I recall, is equal energy per frequency division (for example, just as much from 1.597kHz to 2.597kHz as from 206.0312kHz to 207.0312kHz), and the other is equal energy per octave (just as much from 110Hz to 220Hz as from 220Hz to 440Hz as from 440Hz to 880Hz). If I further remember correctly the octaves had to be related, that is, the same energy in the 110Hz to 220Hz band as in the 370Hz to 740Hz band didn't count.
  • Wouldn't you associate that sound with a gas leak, thinking the last place you'd want to be is where the noise is coming from?
  • It is white noise that is being used in this case.

  • One of the licensees of the SoundAlert tones is Permier Hazard. They have a Sirens page that has several example files in .au format

    http://www.premierhazard.co.uk/siren.html

  • You know, I think that may have been the solution. I feel so stupid for forgetting the origin of this story. I'm an urban legends geek, and I'm quite certain that this isn't one of them. (That is, unless a major publication fell prey to one, which has been known to happen. Googling for the story has turned up naught, but I'll keep poking around in the morning.

    -Waldo
  • I'm sorry -- when I said "the sound," I was referring to the traditional sound of a fire engine, not The Sound that is the topic of this story. :)

    -Waldo
  • This British government site [sbs.gov.uk] has some interesting information regarding pinpointable sound.
    In principle, the alarm has to alert people and signal the direction of travel. The Localizer fulfils both these criteria. According to Deborah, 'There is only one type of sound that our brains can pinpoint, called 'white noise', like running water, the cracking of a twig or rustle of leaves. This is the sort of sound used since ancient times to pinpoint sound and avoid being eaten by prey.' So the Localizer siren uses short pulses of white noise, like radio static.
    The article is about a University of Leeds audiologist that got a "Smart award" for developing a siren that's more easily pinpointed.

    A sidenote. I read something about a year ago, but I just can't recall where. (I'll keep Googling, but I think I read it in Scientific American or something.) A fire department tested out one of these new sirens, and they worked splendidly in all the important ways...but one. Traffic could easily determine where the fire engine was coming from, the siren was easily heard, and that was all nice. The problem was that firemen have learned to associate the sound of the engine with excitement. So they arrived at fires unprepared, psychologically, and without the gusto to fight the fire. Weird, huh?

    -Waldo

  • Re:Baby's Cry (Score:4)

    by Kris_J ( 10111 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @08:34PM (#2192857) Homepage Journal
    If people start making mobile phones that sound like babies crying I am going to have to start carrying around a small mallet.

    (And I thought my Nokia singing "Oops, I did it again" every time I get a call was bad enough...)

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  • When the useless car alarms copy this,
    then everyone will ignore it.
  • "What I have done is simple: I select noises for electronic engineers, which I know the human brain will recognise and interpret within milliseconds. They then convert them into electronic noises, which, according to need, are variations on chusssh-chusssh-chusssh."

    Recognize and interpret within milliseconds...

    I don't know about the rest of you but "chusssh-chusssh-chusssh" is not a sound I hear often in my daily life.

    I know what you are thinking, I must not be getting enough "chusssh" in my life.

    Well I am getting enough "chusssh" and when I have "chusssh" it does not sound like "chusssh".

    (It sounds much more like pr0n...)

  • Re:Baby's Cry (Score:5)

    by mlc ( 16290 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @08:35PM (#2192866) Homepage
    Couldn't we make these things give a small (or large if you don't like cell phone users) electric shock to their owner? That way we wouldn't need to worry about any noise polution whatsoever.

    They have already developed a similar (though somewhat less violent) thing... it's called vibrate mode. I leave my phone on vibrate, and it has the double benefit that:

    • Other people aren't disturbed when someone calls me, and if I'm busy I can totally ignore the call without anyone else knowing.
    • When someone else's phone rings, I know it's not mine, so I don't have to run around checking my phone to see if someone's calling me or not.

    --
    // mlc, user 16290
  • There was a time when a car alarm going off caused everyone to turn and look, but now they're so commonplace that nobody turns to look at a car when the alarm is going off. If this new noise is going to be used in phones and alarms everywhere, it shouldn't be long before people become desensitized to it as well.

    Of course, that's the obvious comment (no offense). But consider: What if you're wrong? Imagine being in Times Square a few years from now, watching the crowd look around like lemmings... *chussh chussh* everyone looks at the Pepsi add *chussh chussh* everyone looks at the CBS add *chussh chussh* everyone looks at the ticker *chussh chussh* everyone looks at the Pepsi add. Repeat as desired.

    A scene that fits right into the Matrix.

    Anyhow, the humorous image merely underscores my point: While it's virtually doomed to failure in the way you describe, it would be even worse if it actually worked. This thing is violation of Jerf's Law: Never try to do something where the worst case scenario is success.

  • SBD? LBH? (Score:5)

    by Mike Schiraldi ( 18296 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:48PM (#2192872) Homepage Journal
    A new sound ... that is less intrusive yet easy to pinpoint

    Cellphones that fart. That's just great.
  • Coming from a country where headlights are compulsory at all times, I have noticed that cars without headlights (I'd say less than 1% of the cars during daytime) are a lot easier to miss; possibly because the brain subconsciously writes them off as being parked. It's really kind of spooky the way you just don't notice them until they are really close.

    So, I'd say the risk with this kind of sound might well be that people will disregard the old kind of alarms even more when we've all gotten used to this new sound.
  • Actually, they've got a feature in old TV sets that makes this noise when you disconnect the video source. It's called "snow".
  • You have to put up with a three minute interview and a horrible site design, but it's here [now.com], in RealAudio and Windows Media, along with a demonstration in a smoky room. The sound is more like a compressed air can, and I would swear it's being produced by an air compressor.

    When they say "impossible to ignore", they're not saying your head instantly turns to it - they're saying that in a smoky room, you can pretty well tell where it's coming from without having to think or concentrate on it. Believe me, my head didn't instantly gravitate toward my laptop speakers when the sound came on.

  • URL of stream (Score:5)

    by inio ( 26835 ) on Thursday July 26, 2001 @02:21AM (#2192882) Homepage
    Some spelunking through the mess of javascript turned up this:
    http://mfile.akamai.com/2611/rm/twimedia.download. akamai.com/2611/2001/06/18/0000522955.rm [akamai.com]
    It plays at ~100kbit for me.
  • All those curves and curls in your ears focus different frequencies differently according to where the noise is located. That's part of what you spend your childhood doing. When there's a noise, your eyes search for it, and your brain remembers, "that's what a sound, from that direction, sounds like." In order to determine direction, the sound needs to have frequencies that your ear can attenuate so that you can determine direction.

    That's part of why music through headphones doesn't sound like it's coming from somewhere (nothing reflects off your ears). Throw in tone purity (purer tones being directionless), and you'll see the problem. Some songbirds you really have to look for when they sing. Crows, on the other hand, with their non-pure calls, you know where they are right away.
  • 1. Binaural recording are rare.
    2. They do sound better than stereo -- through headphones.
    3. I think I'd have to record binaural with castings of my ears to make it sound the way my ears would hear it. Since everyone's ears are different.... Maybe someone can come up with a realtime filter that modifies the sound according to how each listener's ears would hear it.
  • Correct. `Vibrate then ring' is a wonderful thing: heck, it's even pretty good if the two happen simultaneously (as with my replacement for the Motorola, the Siemens SL45).

    However, I'm worried about misuse of this noise. If I'm on an oil-rig and hear some static kind of noise like this, turn to look at the mobile, think "oh, wasn't the mobile, must be an emergency then" then I've lost a few precious seconds.

    IOW, don't use it for *everything*. Work on expanding your braincell to cope with different noises for different things. (How many folks here have per-caller ringtones, but never actually *use* them preferring the visual instead??)
    ~Tim
    --
    .|` Clouds cross the black moonlight,
  • They say a mother can tell exactly what a baby wants by its whine.

    Not only the sort of cry it's using. When I was a baby for some reason or another I developed a strong liking for droning--that is, humming a single note for a prolonged period. She could tell where I was and what I was doing my the tone of the note. If the tone changed to `curious,' she knew she might need to go make sure that I wasn't getting into something I shouldn't (like Draino); if it stopped altogether, she knew I was either in trouble or asleep. Fortunately, for a baby `trouble' as often as not means `having to use brain,' as in figuring out how to climb stairs.

    Incidentally, as I wrote this I was droning to a rockabilly tune and than Also Sprach Zarathustra. You see, it's a habit I've yet to break...

  • The way the site demos (but doesn't SAY) you get around this problem is by combining sounds. For instance, let's say you have a standard "alarm Hooter" - You play the hooter to let everyone know the KIND of alarm, and the directional tone to let people know WHERE to look

    "Hoot chsssh, Hoot Chsssh"

    If you look at the streaming video, the had a standard fire alarm going off, with the EXIT marked with the "chsssh" You follow the "chsssh"

  • Company website (Score:4)

    by p3d0 ( 42270 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:56PM (#2192892)
    Here are some more details from the web site for the company that professor Withington et al have started to market this thing:

    http://www.soundalert.co.uk/research.htm [soundalert.co.uk]

    I still can't find actual audio files, though.
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  • Re:Company website (Score:5)

    by p3d0 ( 42270 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:03PM (#2192893)
    Ok, I found it. There's an interview video here, and it contains samples of the sound:

    http://www.now.com/feature.now?javascript=dhtml&fi d=1922344&cid=1023695 [now.com]
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  • Someone provide a link to the sound. Please.

    (from a user sick of his current AOL IM sounds)
  • I hope not!!! I just listened to all the MP3s - and these things sound similar to the bugs (not sure if they are cicada's or not) we have here during the monsoons in Arizona.

    Just yesterday we had a pretty humid day, and they came out in full force - I am up in an office on the fourth floor - and they were still loud!

    If this is the sound it makes - aggggh!!!

    Worldcom [worldcom.com] - Generation Duh!
  • ...so does this mean nobody will now be able to distinguish "ssssshhh! sssshhh!" among the din of "chussshh! chussshh!"...I can't wait for ringers that sound like "shudupgodamu! shudupgodamu!"....
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  • I read about this yesterday on the BBC. A much better article [bbc.co.uk].

  • Won't be long (Score:3)

    by Coward, Anonymous ( 55185 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:02PM (#2192903)
    Because hearers of the new noise are virtually unable to resist turning to face the direction from which it is coming, banks and shops are evaluating its potential for catching criminals.

    There was a time when a car alarm going off caused everyone to turn and look, but now they're so commonplace that nobody turns to look at a car when the alarm is going off. If this new noise is going to be used in phones and alarms everywhere, it shouldn't be long before people become desensitized to it as well.
  • I would have to also wonder about getting so used to the sound that it loses its meaning.

    Some time ago, I figured that I didn't need to use bookmarks since I could just commit the page number to memory. And it worked fine (I'm not particularly amnesic...) But after a while, I found it harder and harder to return to my place. Not because I could not remember the page number, but because I remembered ALL OF THEM, and didn't know which was the correct one. In other words, I had exhausted the usefullness of this memory exercise.

    I also have to question the conclusion of those "researchers" that decided that your car was safer with the headlights always on. I believe that they based their conclusion on some studies that suggested a connection between cars with headlights on and lower accident rates. AN APPARENT CONNECTION PROVES NOTHING! I have to wonder if the lower accident rate was due to the fact that it was unusual for cars to have their headlights on (during the day), and that other drivers were just paying more attention to THOSE cars...

    For all we know, if all cars had their headlights on, the accident rate might return to the same place it was beforehand.

    Anyway, I agree with you that certain stimuli may lose their advantage when they are commonly encountered.
  • I've lived in New York for 4 months now and I still can't tune out the trucks with oil-tanker fog horns installed. I'm a pacifist, but I just want to choke them when they honk at 4 AM outside my bedroom window! arrghgh

    Frogive me, but I can't imagine gridlock in New York with everyone chusssh-chussshing each other.

    LS

  • Mostly hype? (Score:4)

    by LS ( 57954 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:53PM (#2192906) Homepage
    This is a perfect example of a mostly hype-driven story. Basically, the headline should really be this: "Directional acoustics applied to alarms". Unless the article is missing something, there is really nothing new here. Directional acoustics [northwestern.edu] have been around for a while, and are used by your sound card drivers for "3D" sound. The video at the article link looks like your typical "Beyond 2000" fluff piece.

    Come on Slashdot, isn't there a more interesting technology out there being developed? Like bionics or new genetic engineering or some new materials science???

    LS
  • I hate to nitpick, but this is important. They say a wide spectrum of frequencies, which does not necessarily denote white noise. The article never mentions white noise.

    Every signal can be broken into frequency components, and each component has an amplitude *and* phase (often this is expressed by adding negative and positive frequency components). The importance of these phases cannot be overemphasized. If you "coherently" add components with the same phase, you will get a delta function: a single large crack. If you add them with random phases, you end up with white noise.

    It is quite possible that the sound they are talking about is more like a series of short, broadband "chirps" than white noise.

    I don't know enough of the physiology of hearing to know what makes things easy or difficult to locate, but I expect the incoherent nature of white noise makes localization more diffcult, not less. A chirp on the other hand, has a very steep rise that makes time-of-arrival measurements relatively easy, and improves localizability.

    What, psychologically compells one to look at the source I don't know, but I have serious doubts that it will be effective in the long term. Human brains have a remarkable ability to get used to things and start ignoring them. Only while this sound is new and rare will it excite such reactions.
  • The claim that it forces humans to turn and look is probably a little outlandish. You'll become accustomed to the sound if it becomes ubiquitous in advertising.

    It /is/ interesting, however, that the sound is far mor easily locatable than previous alarm sounds.

    Incidentally, every time I hear a siren, I tend to turn and look (even if the sound isn't as easily locatable). But I dont hear that siren sound in advertising all the time. So I'm not as fearful as others here in terms of advertisers monopolizing this sound, as the claim that you HAVE to turn towards it is probably exaggurated a little. In conjunction with noise pollution laws, I doubt you'll see a proliferation of this sound in advertising. I'd imagine emergency alarms and cellphones might make a little more use of it.

  • Re:More Information Regarding The Sound (Score:5)

    by Incongruity ( 70416 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @08:01PM (#2192911)
    This is the sort of sound used since ancient times to pinpoint sound and avoid being eaten by prey.

    Yeah, I hate it when my prey gets noisy and decides to eat me.

    Oh man. I'm sorry; that quote made me chuckle.

  • Integrating this sound into cell phones may not have as great an effect as forseen. First of all, a cell phone "feature" is being able to choose your ringer song, and on some models, write your own. Also, most cell phones have this feature called "Vibrate." Such a feature makes your phone "vibrate" letting you "feel" that it is YOUR phone that is ringing, not someone else's. Also, with vibrate on, and your "ringer" off, no one is compelled to turn and look at your crotch. On a different, note, who's to say that this urge to turn and look for the source of the "new" noise won't fade as we are immersed by it. People no longer react the same way as they used to to sirens. We don't even react as harshly to crime and death since we see it everyday. What happens when our attention is no longer captured by this sound... find another?... and another?... and another?...
  • Out of curiosity, is this just that stupid? Or have there been other sounds marketed in the past? Inquiring minds want to know...

    Only sounds I could think of that might be marketed like this are regular fire alarms or copyrighted/trademarked theme songs, which wouldn't be marketed if the sound is meant to illicit brand recognition.
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  • Some of these I was aware of...but these are the trademarked/copyrighted sounds that I was referring to. Another poster's deep, bowel-movement-inducing sound is more what I was referring to, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be very much fun to have as your own cell phone ring...unless you haven't eaten for over 24 hours, then have your friends call away! (Hilarity ensues)
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  • Chusssh Chusssh Chusssh (Score:5)

    by jhoffoss ( 73895 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:49PM (#2192915) Journal
    "hearers of the new noise are virtually unable to resist turning to face the direction from which it is coming"

    Gawd, can't wait until I can't resist turning to the prick sitting two seats down in a final exam who can't turn the ringer off.

    On the plus side, I now know how to get my /. postings read by everyone: include "chusssh chusssh chusssh" in each message, then all /.ers will be irresistably drawn to my post!
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  • When I read the article I immediately realized what that sound was, and listening to the realaudio stream confirmed my nightmare.

    This is not the first time that sound has appeared. You see, horror movie directors have hit upon it time and again.. trying to reproduce the sound that signals a fight or flight response like when you hear something (a bear, a murderer, a grue, whatever) sneaking up behind you.

    Maybe ten years ago or so we used to play with making the sound from one horror movie, which sounds like "Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah", as if you just said the Ch and the Ah into a circuit which generates reverberating echoes.

    It also sounds a lot like the sound of the daleks in Doctor Who which scared the shit out of me.. guess I'm susceptible to that kind of sound.

    But listening to the audio, it seems that they are going way overboard on their application of the sound. I think it is going to give some people heart attacks and make genuinely frantic, not simply provide directional cues but actually get people into a nervous, crowd stampede state of mind, as if one was running through a nightmare.

    Also, you usually run *away* from such sounds, not towards them. It is going to be a lot more effective if they can just add a small crackling component to ordinary rings and buzzes if necessary and forgoe a full sonic rendition of your worst childhood nightmare.

    Finally, user selection of ring tones, to the point of symphonic midi rendition of popular songs, is already big business in Japan. You can even compose your own with a system my friend made called theta, at mobile.yamaha.com. Only unimaginative people will find themselves picking up their phone at the wrong time, most people have something interesting and people around them laugh and appreciate neat, beautiful music instead of irritating rings. That "whose phone is it" thing may be true but it is also a canard, based on low tech in the U.S. and Europe in this regard.

    I think people are going to have to be very careful implementing this because it can be dangerous, in the same way that Japan Rail now has to tell people over and over again to not use their phones on the train because they interfere with pacemakers. You might get more hypertension and people with nervous conditions if such nerve- wracking sounds become prevalent. Once you open Pandora's box.. it could be like being submerged in an Indiana Jones style nightmare of endless slithering insectoid things.

  • Sorry that's http://mobile.yamaha.co.jp/ [yamaha.co.jp] which links to http://myc.thetamusic.com/framesets/myc.html [thetamusic.com]. It's a Java sheetmusic composer for 16 voice midi; most of the phones now have sophisticated midi engines and instrument libraries in them now.
  • It sounds like a TV with just static. Scientists have known since the early 80s that people are inescapably drawn to the sound of a staticy TV.

  • Baby's Cry (Score:5)

    by jackal! ( 88105 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:50PM (#2192923) Homepage
    They say a mother can tell exactly what a baby wants by it's whine. Maybe this would be a good basis for a phone ring sound. With just a peep a well trained ear can tell that marketing hit development over the head with the lego bucket again.

  • Ads (Score:5)

    by Argy ( 95352 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:58PM (#2192925)
    "Because hearers of the new noise are virtually unable to resist turning to face the direction from which it is coming, banks and shops are evaluating its potential for catching criminals."

    Oh c'mon, if this works as well as he says, you know the main application will be advertising. Beer cans will be chusshh-chuusshh-chusshing from the aisles before a bank robber is ever caught looking at a chussh-chuush-chuushing security camera.
  • Of course, that's the obvious comment (no offense). But consider: What if you're wrong?

    If he's wrong, and "hearers of the new noise are virtually unable to resist turning to face the direction from which it is coming" and they intend to use this sound in cellular phones, then I can imagine what would happen if somebody drove with a cellular on the side seat. Fortunatelly (or not), from what I heard from the video here [now.com] (this link was posted by another /. user) the sound is more annoying than anything else.

    It's just a different sound. Any strange sound calls your attention. If you're in a glass shop, and hear tires squealing, would you resist to face the direction from which it is coming? Me thinks not.
  • Well, this is exactly the same sound I've been taught my grandmother to use to turn away birds. You easily drag their attention and when they notice you, they fly away. Knowing there is such a huge market for it, I could have been rich :)

    Anyway, just wanted to say that it seems like another wheel reinvented.

  • Big improvement (Score:3)

    by Coward Anonymous ( 110649 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:58PM (#2192938)
    From the article:

    "Because hearers of the new noise are virtually unable to resist turning to face the direction from which it is coming..."

    and

    "The new sound could also rid everyday life of one of its embarrassing moments, when everyone in a room searches for their mobile phone when just one rings.

    That's right, now instead of everyone ruffling through their clothes checking their phone they will ALL look at YOU. No, not embarrasing at all...
  • That one didn't seem to work -- slashdotted, maybe? -- but a simplified one does:

    http://twimedia.download.akamai.com/2611/2001/06/1 8/0000522955.rm [akamai.com], which seems to go straight to the Akamaized content, rather than through the Akamai caching system.

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  • Haha.. My best friend used to work in a boiler factory and tested electrical ciruits in boilers all day long. In order to do that you use a small electrical current through the ciruit. When I paged him (his pager was on vibrate) he would always think he had been electrocuted, because they felt almost identical.

    I don't know which is funnier, the fact that they feel so similar, or the fact that he electrocuted himself regularly enough that the first thing he thought of when his pager went off was electrocution.

  • embarrassing? (Score:5)

    by aozilla ( 133143 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:58PM (#2192956) Homepage

    The new sound could also rid everyday life of one of its embarrassing moments, when everyone in a room searches for their mobile phone when just one rings.

    And at a new embarrassing moment, when the entire room is unable to resist turning to face your crotch.

  • Re: Benefits of vibrating phones (Score:5)

    by dazed-n-confused ( 140724 ) on Thursday July 26, 2001 @03:16AM (#2192961)
    They have already developed a similar (though somewhat less violent) thing... it's called vibrate mode. I leave my phone on vibrate, and it has the double benefit that:
    • Other people aren't disturbed when someone calls me, and if I'm busy I can totally ignore the call without anyone else knowing.
    • When someone else's phone rings, I know it's not mine, so I don't have to run around checking my phone to see if someone's calling me or not.
    There is, of course, a third benefit (for female customers), best illustrated at Jeffrey Zeldman's Ad Graveyard [zeldman.com].
    • Dog throwing up in livingroom
    • Cat caught in vehicle engine compartment when started. (*rewaoooow* *clunk*)
    • the crunching sound of breaking bones (when i broke my leg, i knew right then it was broken, and my boss didnt belive me)
    • the sound of a very strong glare (Yea you married guys know the sound of that glare)
    • For the BOFH's (you know who you are), the sound of a user's dummie mode kicking in.
    • Now this sound would be so scary, the sound of nothing. Imagine a device that could completely wipe out all sound, people would halt in complete disbelive and disorentation.
    • A good Klaxon can sure wake someone up.
    • The sound of all the trolls jumping from their windows at one time because they found slashdot was destination unreachable.
  • How long before I become acclimatized to chussssh chussssh chussssh?

    There is a link to an interview with a video clip lower on the page.

    Nice clip, educational.

    Chussssh chussssh chussssh is not really the sound. It is just pulses of white noise. Definitely less harsh than a simple buzzer. Niceties include varying the pulse speed depending on how close you are to the exit, etc.

    Pulses of white noise have a better chance of being directional and cutting through the other background noise in an emergency.

    They are really just navigational aids for humans. I do not think sirens are going to go any place for a while

  • How long before we tune this one out? (Score:5)

    by CritterNYC ( 190163 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:50PM (#2192985) Homepage
    If it is actually put in all these different devices... how long do you think it'll be before we automatically tune this one out, too? Living in New York City, we learn to tune out a lot of annoying noises... like the ubiquitous multi-tone car alarms.

  • Re:chusssh-chusssh-chusssh, huh? (Score:5)

    by grammar nazi ( 197303 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:01PM (#2192989) Journal
    Apparently this sound has some overwhelming draw to attract a human's attention and the best they can describe it is as "chusssh-chusssh-chusssh"?!

    Have you ever deer hunted or do you go on walks in the country? Often a sharp quick whistle is all it takes to stop varmin dead in their tracks.

    Although this doesn't always work for deer, it has occasionally worked for deer. It almost always stops rabbits, squirrels, and birds.

    What you do is let out a sharp whistle as soon as the said varment is spooked, as it is running away. You'd be amazed how often the creature stops in its tracks and turns to look at you. Of course it might start running again after it notices you, but try it.

    The article makes it sound like the chussh-chussh-chussh does something similar to humans. I think this might endanger more lives than it would save.

  • "Shush! shush!"

    Now what are people going to do to tell people their phone is being noisy?

  • Ok, look. I ran white [home.net] noise through a sonogram. Then pink [home.net] noise. Look at them and then tell me if I am wrong.

  • Pink Noise. (Score:3)

    by stuffman64 ( 208233 ) <stuffman@gmail.SLACKWAREcom minus distro> on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:02PM (#2193000)
    Something tells me this sound is going to, well, sound like "Pink Noise." Pink noise is spectrally-ballanced; it contains all the frequencies from about 20Hz to 20KHz (or whatever range the audio engineer chooses). Pink noise is very "ear catching" due to the fact that the sound is so broad-band. They probably just applied an envelope to the sound and said they came up with something new. We'll just have to see.

  • Re:Pink Noise. (Score:3)

    by stuffman64 ( 208233 ) <stuffman@gmail.SLACKWAREcom minus distro> on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @08:14PM (#2193001)
    actually, no. White noise is random, which makes it psuedo-spectrally ballanced. Pink noise, at any given time frame, contains all frequencies. White noise, on the other hand, is generally ballanced, but if you were to take a small slice of it, it would be rich in certain frequencies only. Download a small sample of each, then run it through a sonogram, and see how the pink noise is much more consistant.
  • Now as opposed to them just disturbing your listening to the movie, you'll be forced to look away from the screen too.
  • The science behind this has actually been known for quite some time, so it's amazing that no one thought of this application until now. I'm kicking myself for not having thought of it myself!

    Anyways, here's an explanation [stanford.edu] of how their new sound works.

  • According to The CSound Book (http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/csound/fpage/pub/ csbook/csbook.html), pink noise is noise in which the power density decreases 3 dB per octave with increasing frequency (density proportional to 1/f) over a finite frequency range. Each octave contains the same amount of power.
  • http://www.premierhazard.co.uk/sirent.html [premierhazard.co.uk](Java version) http://www.premierhazard.co.uk/sirentnj.html [premierhazard.co.uk]> (non-Java version) The sounds are from Premier Hazard, a licensee of the sound.

  • I'm a bit confused about this.

    My phone rings chussssh chussssh chussssh

    Someone's car backs up chussssh chussssh chussssh

    A fire engine goes past chussssh chussssh chussssh

    An elevator is available chussssh chussssh chussssh

    Some idiot with a chussssh chussssh chussssh-sound maker goes chussssh chussssh chussssh

    How long before I become acclimatized to chussssh chussssh chussssh?

  • Eep. (Score:3)

    by acrhemeied ( 316269 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @06:50PM (#2193043) Journal
    The article says that the sound "initiates a reaction that makes you instantly turn towards [it]". If this is true (which I doubt) and the sound forces its way out of your cell phone while in heavy highway traffic, what happens to you and your vehicle when you turn your head from the road to the phone?

  • Anyone got some URLs for samples? (Score:4)

    by NaturePhotog ( 317732 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2001 @07:14PM (#2193046) Homepage

    "Anyone hearing the broad-band sound should immediately know the precise location of its source"

    Yeah, the URL is right over here.
    No, wait, here.
    Oh, hell...I don't know.

    Hmmm...I guess it doesn't work so well at providing its location as they think :-)

  • It's at uspto.gov; yes, they do talk about white noise, among other "embodiments". The claims are pretty broad. Of course, sounds like these have been used before in alarm clocks, signals, and horns; giving a scientific explanation for its utility doesn't warrant a new patent.
  • It increases your sex appeal! Yes, all you Slashdotters can now have women feel irresistably drawn to your presence! Just set your pager to "chush", give yourself a page when your signifigant-other-to-be is around, and watch what happens ;)
  • Since apparently "it is impossible for people who hear the sound not to turn and face" this sound; if two or more of these phones go off simultaneously, your head will just tear clean off.
  • I wonder if this is our innate reaction to the hissing sound of a snake ?
  • -People still get out of the way in the UK when they hear sirens?

    Oh yes - every time. Oops - here comes an ambulance... Better mount the kerb without looking - SQUIK!

    Seriously... All emergency vehicles used to use the old 2-tone air horns in the UK. Determining direction was easy - air horns produce a number of harmonics.

    Then they changed to electronic sounders so
    a) I have to look around for about 30 seconds (SQUIK) to work out where the noise is coming from;
    b) It sounds like a bloody car alarm so half the road users don't notice until all they can see is AMBULANCE in their rear mirror.

    Technology is great. Replace something that works with something complex and then need more complexity to make it work half as well as the thing you first replaced.

  • Seen in action (Score:3)

    by t0sher ( 470052 ) on Thursday July 26, 2001 @02:39AM (#2193079)
    I'm sorry if this has been posted before, but i'm tired and there is a *lot* of nested posts on this topic, too many to read through at work :)

    Anyway, a UK TV programme showed footage of this "new sound" in action. They stuck a speaker on a security camera and got people to walk past it without knowing the location of the CCTV or anything about the test. Every time a PIR detected a person walking by it played the sound and everyone instinctively looked in the general direction of the camera, catching a good image of their face. They then tested people who were aware of the system and told them not to look up no matter what - and still the same knee-jerk response to the sound.

    They then got some people to watch a horror/action film and do the same walk to try to emulate the sense of apprehension that store thieves may be feeling while stealing. Response to the sound was even greater and a better image was captured.

    Finally they put the same set-up "in situ" in a shop and got a policeman who specialised in catching shoplifters and the techniques they use to avoid being caught. He had no idea about the speaker, and successfully avoided getting a good face image from any conventional cameras, but *still* got caught out by the new camera.

    It all comes down primitive parts of the human brain interpreting the sound as a threat, making them turn to face the danger. This is similar to being in a wood at night and hearing a twig snap.

    Oh, and a lot of ambulances around where I live use the broadband sound to allow you to pinpoint where they are - it really works
  • The sound is just an up to date application of the sharp hissing sound used almost universally by people to attract attention. Here in the UK it is not unknown (though considered pretty rude) to make a "psst" noise with the lips, tongue and teeth to make someone look your way (think secret agents in dark doorways!). I spent 3 years installing science equipment and PCs in Ghana and found that the commonest way to get peoples attention (and considered perfectly acceptable) was to make a similar "tss" noise, then beckon to the person you want when everyone looks your way. All these sounds share the broadband hiss that through a variety of mechanisms, presumably to do with the shape and dimensions of the outer ear, and the fact that some frequencies are attenuated more by passing through the head than others, are highly directional. It can't just be attenuation through the head though, since (as the Tomorrow's World episode referred to elsewhere) it is also directional in the vertical direction - i.e. if the sound is coming from above you, you'll look up.

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