US Army to Try Out New, Anime-based Uniforms 477
PenguinRadio writes "This is being reported in a few places, most notably USA Today which has an article about the US Army teaming up with MIT to develop a new nanotechnology-based outfit for our soldiers that can detect bio hazards, injury, and other funky things. The 5 year, $50 million grant also wants to look at bending light around the uniform to create some sort of invisibility." CNET has another story. The Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies has its own web page, of course.
judging from the picture... (Score:2)
Anime? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Anime? (Score:4, Funny)
But seriously, look at the gun in that picture. It's obviously a Seburo!
Re:Anime? (Score:5, Funny)
But it brings up an interesting thought sort of in-line with the last line of the C|Net article. Imagine having a troop of women wearing these things dealing with issues in the Middle East, where women are second-class citizens. "Tell me to be subservient now, willya?" blam blam blam... It's no big thing for a woman to be a good fighter to Westerners, but in the Middle East, talk about adding insult to injury... You're not only getting killed, but you're getting killed by seemingly invicible warriors protected by armor and endowed with superhuman abilities, but by squads of seemingly invincible, armored, superhuman women.
Too awesome.
Re:Anime? (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, but they won't care because they won't know because they will be invisible anyway (now if only the clothes could be invisible that may keep their mind away from the battle).
Re:Anime? (Score:2)
Well, OK, we know what the real reason is (fanboys), but just try to go with the whole suspension of disbelief thing.
re: Anime? (Score:2, Informative)
Hence, the fanboys sitting very close to the large-screen TV's with drool-sponges in front of them.
"Anime-inspired" is probably a better headline (Score:2)
Re:Anime? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Anime? (Score:5, Funny)
In the end, the reward just isn't worth the risk.
How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:3, Insightful)
Neither of the articles mentions anime either. I'm just wondering where the "anime" reference in the article title came from. Left field, apparently, unless I missed something! (which is entirely likely)
Re:How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:4, Funny)
In fact, they'd probably be pilotable ONLY by 13-year olds, as the result of some plot twist!
Re:How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:4, Funny)
But only if the suit turns out to be your enemy.
Re:How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, wait, that's how modern military actions are now. Alas.
Re:How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:2)
a BAD IDEA (Score:3, Funny)
Or worse, he will be killed and we will have to give a primitive weapon to his killer as a trophy and abandon the planet.
Re:How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:5, Informative)
Though the artist rendering does demonstrate what sorts of comic books that guy reads. At least he didn't do the female version, with breasts each bigger than the helmet. Too bad the artist missed the important point that with nano-scale materials, the suit could funtion while still being flexible enough that you wouldn't need those multi-part joints, which are only needed in bulky or rigid materials. But it looked cool.
-reemul
Re:How Are These Anime-Based? (Score:2, Informative)
Look at the picture again. It may not have helmet-size breasts, but I definately see an armored boob.
Re:Just Like the Book (Score:2)
Apes, goddammit. At least get it right. They were called apes.
old news (Score:3, Funny)
Re:old news (Score:3, Funny)
Re:old news (Score:2)
Power? (Score:4, Insightful)
Army trained hamster powered generators carried in backpacks perhaps?
Re:Power? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Power? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Power? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Power? (Score:2, Funny)
Anime-Based? (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh, it must be that Slashdot editorial style. "Well, that picture looks sort of like something vaguely reminiscent of anime. OH! I KNOW! The uniforms are ANIME-BASED!"
Sheesh. And I bet they wonder why subscriptions aren't as high as they expected.
Re:Anime-Based? (Score:2)
Of course the suits aren't based on anime... They are just a lot like what appears -in- anime. Evoking the image these DARPA researchers were sitting around in the lab watching Ghost in the Shell to get ideas for new weaponry is humor through ridiculousness. The straight-man presentation of the headline is just good delivery.
Damn. If you couldn't get that, I bet you can't -stand- someplace that does that all the time, like the Register. Bet you send them email about every headline "Hey, your headline is not a true representation of what the article is about! And what's all this about 'outing'?"
50 mil... a good start I guess (Score:4, Insightful)
over here....turn around.... (Score:2, Funny)
Finally, the goodness of a second-class Arnold movie makes it's way into the military!! Now it's just a matter of time until we're cuttin' peoples heads off with extendible boomerang blade thingies ala P2.
Bend Light (Score:2, Funny)
Not science fiction? (Score:2, Insightful)
Power Suits (Score:3, Insightful)
re: 5-year MIT program (Score:5, Funny)
Put me down for $100 on MIT for the 2007 NCAA torney.
Re: 5-year MIT program (Score:3, Funny)
or the Darwin Awards...
Light bending? (Score:2)
Comment removed (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Light bending? (Score:2)
in the series (Recluse series by LE Modersett JR) the "good guys" can magickly bend light around them so hey you can travel without being seen.... but you can't see a dang thing either
Not even close (Score:2)
Is this really a good thing (Score:5, Funny)
-What happens after the wall, is there also a parachute, or are you just supposed to land after your 20 foot fall.
Micoreactors could detect bleeding and apply pressure.
-So that the enemies crackers can cut off circulation in battle to help their side
Light-deflecting material could make the suit blend in with surroundings.
-So that the number of soilders hurt or killed by friendly fire increases.
MIT's research centers had been working on nanotechnology ideas long before getting involved with the Army, but not with military applications in mind.
-Isn't that how it always happens, soon the MIT reasercher will make a peace time achievment award.
Re:Is this really a good thing (Score:2)
I find it pretty funny that evidently the budgeteers were taken in by all of this rhetoric, but slashdot readers can spot the flaws in a matter of minutes...
Mind you, it's not ALL bad - spinoff technologies from the otherwise flashy and unlikely projects might actually turn out to be useful (presumably the idea is that the shoes would then somehow absorb the impact to "recharge" after the jump, which doesn't seem too practical on a human being, but might have applications elsewhere in mechanical engineering, and the "fake blood" they come up with to test the pressure suits might turn out to have medical uses, and so on).
This probably isn't the most cost-effective way to GET to those spinoffs, but what can you do?...
Re:Is this really a good thing (Score:2, Interesting)
Supercharged shoes could release energy when soldiers jump, propelling them over a 20-foot wall.
-What happens after the wall, is there also a parachute, or are you just supposed to land after your 20 foot fall.
A mini-parachute is a possibility, auto-deploying and auto-retracting. 20-foot falls aren't that bad, any paratrooper makes those all the time. Perhaps an auto-extending grapple-cord combo that quickly lowers you to the ground. . .
Micoreactors could detect bleeding and apply pressure.
-So that the enemies crackers can cut off circulation in battle to help their side
Assuming they CAN crack each individual suit, which would likely have its' own highly encrypted control override code. . . .can you say megabit RSA keypairs ???
Light-deflecting material could make the suit blend in with surroundings.
-So that the number of soilders hurt or killed by friendly fire increases.
Ever hear of IFF ??? Or perhaps beaconing on an obscure wavelength that is specially "watched" for and enhanced on the visor display ???
MIT's research centers had been working on nanotechnology ideas long before getting involved with the Army, but not with military applications in mind.
-Isn't that how it always happens, soon the MIT reasercher will make a peace time achievment award.
Military research often drives initial technology development. Transistors and microchips were developed for military purposes, for military satellites and suchlike... this is no different from a common pattern in research. . . .
Re:Is this really a good thing (Score:2)
Yes! Bionic Commandos, finally!
Re:Is this really a good thing (Score:3, Insightful)
2) Ummm, is it just me or is connecting the suit's pressure control just the kind of feature you store in ROM, so it can't be hacked? Also, don't connect this segment of the suit to the (heavily encrypted) wireless network that you would have (but could turn off to sneak past sensors.)
If you were in a combat situation such as the ones that the USA is likely to face in the near (50 years or so) future, the enemy will not have tech. to be able do much damage in a combat zone, and as long as you have good hackers building the systems for the US, it should be ok (randomize frequency used, use encryption, and be able to switch both in combat in case of problem)
3) With mostly tech availible off the shelf, you could build a system that pinpointed who was using your armor and who wasn't, and display this inside of the helmet that the guys are wearing. The suit could also have night vision that would find hot bodies and check if they were wearing suits (which might be able to mask heat using insulation, by the way)
These ideas are all within the range of technology availible by the time we have nanotech to build the suits. (the real assumption here is the nanotech good enough to make the suits)
Re:Is this really a good thing (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh please. Energy isn't the issue, it's acceleration. If you stiffen the armour, you just get smushed against the hard armour instead of the hard ground. In fact, stiffening is the last thing you want to do; you want as much articulation as possible to minimise the impulse. This "leap tall buildings in a single bound" claim is pure fantasy.
Re:Is this really a good thing (Score:3, Funny)
What happens after the wall, is there also a parachute, or are you just supposed to land after your 20 foot fall.
GO! GO! Gadget Pogo-Stick!
Does it include? (Score:2)
Oh and don't forget the huge eyes that are obviously being used to detect hidden dangers like IR tripwires.
And don't forget that at least 50% of the soldiers wearing this gear are going to be females with more curves than a Jan and Dean song.
Ouch. (Score:2, Interesting)
But what happens when them come back down?
Re:Ouch. (Score:2, Funny)
oh wait, that was inspector gadget..."go, go, gadget-copter!"
Don't Drink and Drive^H^H^H^H^HWatch Anime... (Score:2)
No, no, this isn't flamebait or outright dismissal, but really - a "5 year contract" to develop what their description seems to portray as super Anime' Battle Armor(tm)? Somehow, I think this will end up being a big money pit for a long time before anything that flashy comes anywhere near to reality...
On a less cynical note, though, I imagine a lot of more "down-to-earth" inventions may come out of the program (advances in polymer science, immunoassay-like tests, and so on) if the people running it can refrain from wasting the money too badly in attempts to impress clueless legislators with flashy gadgets when the 5 year budget is over...
It's a simple ploy by MIT (Score:2)
So what do you do? Tell the Army you can make soldiers invisible, especially with the war on terrorism happening, and watch the money come pouring in.
Bending light? (Score:3, Interesting)
Or am I mistaken... Soldiers will still need light to hit their eyes to be able to see.. I guess a pair of floating eyes won't raise too much suspicion.
What about infrared? Soldiers will still glow in that region.
Jumping 20 ft with some sort of exoskeleton still seems unlikely to me - remember, the landing deceleration won't be too much different than jumping off a 20 ft building without any exoskeleton (that hurts!).
It just doesn't seem plausible. The only thing useful I could see an exoskeleton useful for would be to lift/cary heavy loads. Any other ideas?
It wouldn't be their eyes you'd see (Score:2, Insightful)
What you'd end up seeing is two little spots on the back of the soldier's head where there just wasn't enough light bent around.
Anime = DBZ? (Score:5, Funny)
Why not... (Score:2, Interesting)
I mean why bother making a uniform that provides instant medical care for the soldier, when you can completely remove the soldier from the battlefield?
Some may argue, but the primary method for getting what you want in a war is to KILL, therefore people are necessary in a war.
I acknowledge this, but while someone must get killed, doesn't it make sense to let the enemy's soldiers get killed, while yours are sitting comfy drinking coca-cola and watching pr0n?
The whole premise seems like a massive waste of time.
Re:Why not... (Score:2)
old news (Score:3, Funny)
I have a shirt that can track how many days I've gone without bathing, using a "handsfree background olfactory indicator". High tech stuff, really.
Also, I haven't tried it myself, but I think past the 30-day point it is indeed actually capable of bending light waves. It could probably also melt steel. Though due to the olfactory indicator mentioned above, it isn't exactly what I'd call "invisible"...
Can I have a million dollar grant for this invention? Erm, yeah, I'll understand if you don't want to deliver the check in person.
Cool trick (Score:4, Funny)
Good news/Bad news (Score:5, Funny)
The bad news is, these suits are NOT proof against suddenly-appearing, demonic phallic tentacles.
An explanation of the "anime-based" thing (Score:3, Insightful)
One would assume that they said "anime-based" because these sorts of battle suits crop up a lot in anime (although generally without invisibility) -- take Bubblegum Crisis, for example. The suit pictured in the article--along with the drawing style and the fact that the wearer is apprently female--looks suspiciously anime-like.
Compare to this [ign.com].
Also, a little note to the humor impaired: The phrase "anime-based" in the title of the story isn't there to imply that the Pentagon is actually trying to be anime-like. It's a joke [dictionary.com].
Re:An explanation of the "anime-based" thing (Score:2)
Re:An explanation of the "anime-based" thing (Score:2)
Luddites are so cute when they're indignant, aren't they?
What's that army man holding in the picture?! (Score:3, Insightful)
He's holding a Pulse Rifle from Aliens!
I think it's really weird that a filmmaker decides to make a film that's a metaphor for Vietnam in which superior technology is beaten by an organic enemy; an obvious moral. But now the Army wants those Pulse Rifles.
Have any of you seen pictures of the OICW? It's the Army's latest attempt at a replacement infantry rifle for the aging M16 (A rifle which when first made, had a plastic stock stamped with Mattel's logo because they were manufacturing the plastic parts). I swear, the people in charge of defining the equipment a future soldier will be wearing must sit around all day and watch Aliens over and over and over...
I saw some recent footage of a new integrated networking system for mobile soldiers. All these soldiers are checking their PDAs and typing into their wristpad. In some way I can understand the advantage of having access to all that information, but time and again history has proven that soldier's overreliant on technology get their asses bit.
Re:What's that army man holding in the picture?! (Score:2)
It's only a problem if they're watching the Alien biotech more than the Marines' gear.
Marines dressing like nurses? (Score:2)
Re:Marines dressing like nurses? (Score:2)
Chris Mattern
better cause (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:better cause (Score:2)
You're missing the big picture. If we get this technology developed, we can eventually bend light around the whole planet. You have to see us to hit us!
The uniforms in "Aliens" (Score:2)
-Miko
Illustration? (Score:2)
Is it a good thing that the people desiging these suits are working from the premise that the world will be a shattered smoking dystopia? I'm not convinced they have the right frame of mind...
New dress code? (Score:3, Funny)
Invisibility (Score:2, Insightful)
Light-deflecting material could make the suit blend in with surroundings
Light deflecting? Pining for the fjords? What kind of talk is that? Perhaps:
If there is anything to this, it would seem more likely it's some kind of display camoflage, like a computer display displaying the image of the cube wall behind it...
$50 million? (Score:4, Funny)
Invisibility? Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
Simple considerations tell us that geometrical optics is an excellent approximation for any large object. The size of the object is much, much greater than a wavelength of light, so optics reduces to tracing rays from your eyeball to the source, and thence reflected or absorbed as the case may be. There is no such thing as "bending" visible light around a macroscopic object. You can make a suit which is nearly fully reflective (not a good stealth tactic -- you would appear like a nice shiny mirror), or nearly absorptive (in which case you would appear black), but there are plenty of ordinary materials that already work quite well for either purpose.
Since I presume that the nanotech folks at MIT are well aware of this fact, I doubt they proposed to "bend light" in their suits. Rather, they are probably going to implement something which Nature has long realized in chameleons and various other creatures : "invisibility" through blending in. Various miniaturized digital cameras could sense the background that a suit was in, and change the colorations on the suit (perhaps using a variation on the "digital ink" concept) accordingly. Hence, a suit could appear sandy-yellow when in the desert, white when in the desert, and camoflouge when in the jungle.
Since we all already doing essentially that when outfitting soldiers (no one wears the bright red of old British regulars anymore), it is unclear whether there is any real advantage to this concept, especially given the cost. Particularly since, to anyone equipped with infrared night vision goggles, every body temperature objects glow like a beacon.
Bob
Re:Invisibility? Huh? (Score:3, Interesting)
Indeed, when I first heard of a proposal to do this, circa 1986, it was referred to as "chameleon cloth".
With the right software, I bet you could get by with perhaps just 4 cameras. The tricky part is having the fabric be durable, and having the signals that travel to the pixels be fault tolerant. Also, it's got to be non-stick. Otherwise, any damage to the fabric, or anything stuck to it ruins the whole thing. OTOH, if the enemy delivers bright green sticky stuff that rains down on the soldiers, it will also rain down on the terrain. Another possible tactic is to fire a flare that backlights the soldiers with a strobe. Any latency in the camo system will be detectable, although cave-dwelling terrorists aren't likely to have such tech.
Re:Invisibility? Huh? (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, fiber optics can bend light. The problem is that they are highly directional -- only incoming light from a very narrow angle will be piped. If you've ever had to splice two fiber optic cables together, you know just how difficult this is. So while a very narrow cone of light could be routed in principle, most light is just going to be reflected or absorbed as usual.
Infrared camo is more interesting. Yes, you could probably arrange for something like this. You'd effectively be wearing a thermos outfit, and it could potentially get very hot inside. It's unclear to me that you could built up heat for any significant duration without forcing the soldier into heat exhaustion. Yes, you could install an air conditioner, but thermodynamics tells us that even more heat is generated in the process.
Your best bet is probably not to try to capture all of the heat, but retain it briefly in an outer suit layer, and let it equilibrate to the mean temperature of the environment before releasing it. You would still be radiating in the infrared, but you would be nearly indistinguishable from your background.
Bob
Uhh... (Score:3, Insightful)
The 5 year, $50 million grant also wants to look at bending light around the uniform to create some sort of invisibility.
IANAS (I Am Not A Scientist), so correct me if I'm wrong... But if you're bending light around a person, that means THEY can't see the light either. Right?
If so, this approach would be limited to situations where vision is not necessary, perhaps holding a hidden position until it is time to move out. Or maybe they would use some sort of devices to allow a soldier to "see" things outside the normal human visual spectrum, thus allowing them to see something despite not being able to see the normally visible light.
Just my 2 :)
Another source (Score:3, Informative)
Another reference [boston.com] with a little more material than cNet or USA Today can be found in today's Boston Globe online.
HAH! A Mental Picture (Score:4, Funny)
Then we'll send them into battle, whereupon they'll be vastly outnumbered by hoards of people carrying rocks.
Last words? "Ah... now here's a problem we didn't consider..."
Blending in (Score:2)
"You see anyone?"
"Nope. All I see is that big, large-breasted-female shaped mirror."
"Me neither. Want to go get a beer?"
"Dude!"
OFW (Score:3, Informative)
Still better than Canada (Score:2, Funny)
They're GREEN camouflage uniforms.
Just you wait. When we decide WE want anime-based uniforms you'll be seeing a bunch of Canucks running around at super-slow speeds with blue streaks blazing behind them to let the enemy know right where to shoot.
Anime based == Ghost in the shell (Score:3, Informative)
However, who ever submitted the story could have made that clearer.
Still does not mean that a dozen jokes would not have come out of the comparison. I am not sure this will happen though considering how cheap a body is next to the cost of a plane or a tank but we can hope. The American military putting its soldier's first? I hope so.
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Non-military applications (Score:5, Interesting)
-Henry
What's the difference between... (joke) (Score:5, Funny)
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Mechanical engineers build weapons, and civil engineers build targets.
Ha!
Oh my god!!! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:3 Words (Score:2)
"how little soldiers are actually used" (Score:2, Funny)
Re:"how little soldiers are actually used" (Score:4, Funny)
"Green Clovers, Purple Hearts, Black Rifles..." ("The Taliban is after me lucky charms(tm)!"...)
Re:3 Words (Score:2, Insightful)
Might not be a waste of money for Special Forces, though. Somebody extensively trained and highly motivated could use the full potential of something like this.
Then there's urban warfare, where you might be reluctant to use the full firepower of a tank or armed helicopter (if you cared about civilians). I know I'd want a suit like that if I were on occupation patrol in, say, Baghdad.
You've gotta start somewhere... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:3 Words (Score:2, Insightful)
So what's wrong with bringing stealth technology to the individual soldier?
Re:3 Words (Score:2, Interesting)
Along with that...
- Man Will never Fly
- Man will never go to the moon
- No one needs more than 640 KB of memory
- Mainframes are dead
- Unix is dead
Re:3 Words (Score:2, Interesting)
Umm...just for the record, I have some friends (one in particular i know well) that are employed in the US Special Forces...Navy SEALS to be exact, ...go have a 12-pack with him sometime, hear the stories he tells (what he can talk about, at least), and tell me the US doesnt use soldiers any more. Sure we're not storming beaches like D-Day anymore, but you cannot have a military presence in an area without soldiers. Air/sea power can have an effect on the war effort, but when it comes to capturing and holding, infantry is the only answer.
Re:Non-military Applications? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Anime...? (Score:2)
And the suit design itself bears a startling resemblance to the ORC suits, also in Shirow's Appleseed.
Re:Anime...? (Score:2)
Re:new uniform for the next Metal Gear Solid (Score:2)