Mobile Phone in Your Teeth! 437
thumbtack writes "News.com is running a story that reports that British researchers claim to have developed an implant that could be placed in a tooth and used as a mobile phone. According to the article, the sound would be transferred to the inner ear by bone resonance, and could be listened too anytime anywhere, with complete privacy." This is awesome. Course it would kinda suck if your phone rang when you were asleep.
Bad idea (Score:2, Informative)
dont worry (Score:2)
nukes in your mouth
or
drink lots of vodka (fuel cells work off methnol)
the health implications of both are bad but I know what I would do
regards
john jones
p.s. redhat knifed the ecos product(and GPL'd it) and a bunch of employee's dont see that in the news
Re:Bad idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, but then they've been reported to not be a health risk, and then they were a health risk, and then they weren't, and so on and so on and so on for a couple years now. Considering the amount of "health risk" the average person endures on a daily basis I think that it's silly to split hairs over mobile phones. Could they give you cancer? Possibly. But so does half the stuff I eat, secondhand smoke from bars, and electromagnetic radiation from any of a dozen other possible sources in my environment. Can they prove that my use of a cellphone will take a year off my life? 5 years? 10 years? If not, what's the point? I could use a cellphone for four hours a day every day and die in a car wreck at age 35.
Re:Bad idea (Score:2)
Upgrades? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Upgrades? (Score:2)
Re:Upgrades? (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sure they could put a little GPS transmitter in there too.
;-)
Great idea, but use as a general-pupose tranceiver (Score:4, Insightful)
Benefits to using it as a dumb device would include allowing audio communication with any device that communicates in that protocol (laptops, PDAs, cell phones, pagers, portable audio devices, or even cordless adapters to work with an existing device that has an existing stereo headphone or line-in/out jack.
While the article is low on details, I would guess that it would be possible to implant multiple devices that are tuned to the user's individul characteristics to provide high fidelity, stereo sound.
I hesitate at using any previously mentioned technology implanted in your body other than for medical reasons, but this sounds really cool. Depending on price (and the results of safety studies), I would sign up for this one.
Re:Great idea, but use as a general-pupose trancei (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great idea, but use as a general-pupose trancei (Score:3, Interesting)
Benefits to using it as a dumb device would include allowing audio communication with any device that communicates in that protocol (laptops, PDAs, cell phones, pagers, portable audio devices, or even cordless adapters to work with an existing device that has an existing stereo headphone or line-in/out jack.
While the article is low on details, I would guess that it would be possible to implant multiple devices that are tuned to the user's individul characteristics to provide high fidelity, stereo sound.
I hesitate at using any previously mentioned technology implanted in your body other than for medical reasons, but this sounds really cool. Depending on price (and the results of safety studies), I would sign up for this one.
One thing REALLY bugs me about this.
How do you charge the battery?
Seriously, the only easy way is a magnetic inductance charger. But then who wants to have a jaw recharger hanging from their lips for 3 hours or more? Contact charging is even worse with conductive saliva. It would be like having a 9-volt battery under your tongue all day. And how long can a battery that small hold a charge? Even if it just transmits to a signal booster on the belt a few feet away that will still suck down the juice on the battery constantly.
The concept is silly and pointless.
If we could have radioactive plutonium batteries that small it MIGHT work, but there is no room for adequate rad shielding in a tooth-sized area.
Re:Upgrades? (Score:3, Funny)
Hearing aid technology? (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know much about this or related technologies. Is there any substance to my gussing above?
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:2)
No. The tooth speaker sends vibrations through your bones to your ear. The ear is still hearing the sound. Try this as an experiment: press your chinbone firmly onto something that is vibrating, like a piano or an air conditioner, or your favorite "personal massager." You can then hear the pitch of the vibration as it is conducted through the bones in your head.
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:2)
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:5, Informative)
On the other hand, I know my father (who is significantly hearing impaired) absolutely hates many aspects of his hearing aids. He has to deal with fit, visibility, feedback from the compact size that places the mic near the speaker, etc. Sounds like this sort of thing could make one heck of a stealth-device for people like him.
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:3, Informative)
This is my very not-a-doctor recollection of it. Here's some pages on cochlear implants [google.com] from Google that would give more info.
I think this is related to the idea you're getting at, though it's a different technology.
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:5, Interesting)
Normally, I don't get so upset at this sort of thing, but for some reason, idiocy like this has pissed me off today. No, the eardrum does NOT translate vibrations to sound, or any other such nonsense.What the eardrum (or timpanum) does is to act as the first step in hearing something.
Sound waves travel through the air, striking the eardrum. The eardrum vibrates, causing the bones of the middle ear to vibrate as well. Now, I can't remember the order of vibration, but I can tell you that one of those three bones is attached directly to the eardrum, and it, in turn, causes the other two to vibrate. Finally (and I'll admit that my knowledge becomes more hazy here), the third bone is attached directly to the cochlea (or inner ear), which translates those vibrations from the third bone directly into nerve impulses, which are sent to the brain.
The eardrum itself is nothing more than the starting point for the whole sequence. If you can directly vibrate the bones correctly, you can create a sound which nobody else can hear.
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Hearing aid technology? (Score:3, Informative)
Which is good, because you don't know much about how the ear works either. It works like this:
Sound waves travel through the air and into your ear. The pressure from the waves causes a flap of skin to vibrate back and forth due to the difference of pressure between one side and another of the flap. That flap is called your ear drum.
The vibrations cause the pressure inside the ear to change also, and cause the tiny bones in the ear to vibrate. Those bones transfer the vibrationss to the cochlea, a hollow tube-shaped spiral like thing with fluid inside.
On the inside of the cochlea, there are tiny hairs attached to nerve endings, kind of like the flagella of organisms, except when they move they generate an electrical charge that is picked up on the nerves. The cochlea has a tube that is at first large and goes down in size. As it does so, the resonant frequency also does and that's how we can perceive different frequencies. That's why a lot of times people compare the ear's function to that of a Fourier transform, because it is able to take a sound of many frequencies and break it down into each frequency and determine the relative amplitude of each one using the hairs and different sized tubes.
The nerves carry the electrical charges to the auditory center of the brain where they are processed in a very advanced way that even includes how your ear is shaped and depends on it to tune the directional mechanism. There was actually an experiment that changed the shape of the outer ear and as a result the brain had to relearn the new shape and during this process the subject couldn't tell where sounds were coming from. So there is a significant amount of critical engineering here and as you can imagine the human ear is a complex work of art and technically advanced.
Now what is interesting about this tooth speaker (what I call it) is that somehow they are using the skull to transfer the pressure waves (sounds) to the cochlea. There's nothing wrong with that -- actually you can even hear your own body's noises by covering your ears and those are transmitted largely by bone and tissue. You can even hear a very high frequency noise that your nervous system produces when neurons produce a certain response every 1.5 seconds.
My question is that the ear has evolved to be designed so well and so intricately and is a better design than any sound engineer could come up with. Obviously the quality and frequency range of sounds depends on its transfer medium -- for example you can hear many low frequency sounds through wood and all sorts of materials but high frequency doesn't travel well over tighly packed materials, such as solids. The last time I checked bone was pretty solid.
So how are they getting pased that fact, and will it sound like listening to a loud speaker pressed up against wood? I'll bet they have a frequency model of how sound is carried from the tooth to the skull and then to the inner ear, and dynamically adjust the frequencies to represent that model. I'd better hope so or it won't sound too good.
Still though, I can see where this could have applications for those who have had accidents and have problems with their ear drum, etc. Of course there is surgery but in the mean time you can stick one of these things in your mouth and be back to normal (or at least something like it). For the rest of us if the sound quality is good enough it could be the ultimate headphone, but that's really all I see it as being marketed as in the commercial, consumer world.
Microwave exposure? (Score:5, Funny)
For those worried about microwave exposure .. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:For those worried about microwave exposure .. (Score:2)
If so, will it also be available to install into any part of the body by customers choice?
Web browsing? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Web browsing? (Score:3, Funny)
I wonder what the regulations would be like about using one of these while you are driving...
Oh yes, and of course, we could now have no idea whether or not the crazy people walking down the street ranting, mumbling, or screaming were crazy, or talking on a brand new tooth-phone!
Oh yes, and then of course people would be hanging their heads out windows and opening up their mouths to the sky to try to get better reception
E-911 anybody? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:E-911 anybody? (Score:2)
Although bad dentistry will become a new torture method... ouch.
Also i wouldnt want this *ever* because I hardly like answering the phone to begin with... let alone having it as a part of my anatomy as it were.
This brings to mid the quote from the matrix:
"Pure 100% home grown human, born free - right here"
Re:E-911 anybody? (Score:2)
Is it safe? IS IT SAFE?
[allusion [imdb.com]]
Jane... (Score:2, Insightful)
And imagine the advertisements... (Score:4, Funny)
And just imagine the new acronyms they'd be coming out with. Portable Lightweight Audible Query Using Electronics, voice activated to!
Get PLAQUE implanted and never miss a phonecall again!
Re:And imagine the advertisements... (Score:2)
Wouldn't your saliva constitute liquid cooling? And if so, could I overclock it?
Re:And imagine the advertisements... (Score:2)
caller ID (Score:2)
Power? (Score:2, Insightful)
Big Brother is Tracking You (Score:2)
First hacks (Score:2)
* Transmit directly to opposing cousel's head an ongoing stream of distracting nonsense during your testimony.
* Intercept a security trader's inbound buy/sell instructions and anticipate all his moves.
Hell no! (Score:2, Redundant)
No thanks! I want technology that seperates me from my fellow human beings. All this technology that tries to bring us together ends up biting us in the collective ass.
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
And now with a cell phone in your teeth, you can REALLY bite someone in the collective ass with this technology!
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
When I am away from home they can't reach me. It's an incredible invention, if only they had this 25 years ago. Oh wait.
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
Same here. I stopped using cell phones in the late 90s and never felt better. Interesting enough, it has improved my work not using one.
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
If your # comes up UNAVAILABLE you weren't worth talking to anyway.
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
Ditto! I do the exact same thing. And here I was thinking I was the only person doing this. There are just too people out there and too few of me to deal with them. :)
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
More importantly, I have mastered two nuances of it's use:
The off button
Turning off the ringer(so I can still see who called...)
So in the end, I only talk to who I want to talk to, it's just that I get to do it from whereever I want.
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
get the same kinds of calls. Now, I can look at
the caller id and see if I want to answer it. If I
don't answer, I can always say the phone was turned
off, or I simply left it at home. A phone in my teeth
pretty much invalidates either of those excuses. No
thanks, I'll keep my option of not answering.
Re:Hell no! (Score:2)
BTW, It's illegal in the US for telemarketers to call cell phones. If it happens to you, get the company name, and report them to the proper authorities. The offense carries a stiff fine, I believe.
Top 5 reasons against telephones in your teeth (Score:3, Funny)
Where's the Mike? Telepathy? (Score:3, Informative)
Pretty wicked though.
Once the work out the mike issue this could mean *apparent* telepathy. Remember, "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
I can think of a dozen ethically iffy uses. Think: two people collaborating in a poker game, getting answers to questions on the SAT, a Miss Universe contestant could hear the question from a spy in the audience, even though she's in the isolation booth, etc.
Re:Where's the Mike? Telepathy? (Score:2)
Re:Where's the Mike? Telepathy? (Score:2, Informative)
Basically, it's an ear piece that fits in your ear, and the mike is built in. Somehow (don't know how) it picks up the vibration of your jaw.
So, if you can buy this tech for cheap at radio shack, then someone, somewhere has to have miniturized it to fit on the rest of the piece.
And, as an added bonus, it doesn't pick up background noise, so you can mumble under your breath in a crowded club, and the people at the other end can hear you fine.
Re:Where's the Mike? Telepathy? (Score:2, Funny)
Psychiatrist: Why do you say that?
Patient: Lately, I think I've been hearing voices in my head.
Psychiatrist: And what do these... voices say?
Patient: "You can save up to $200 if you switch to the AT&T premium long distance plan." Please make it stop!
Psychiatrist: Now I see what the problem is. What you need is to see a dentist.
Great! (Score:2)
How about a boob phone? (Score:4, Funny)
I do hope their not serious (Score:2)
nothing strange about that...
then I often see a man walking toward me and he's talking to someone...
he's not using a phone...
and no one is listening to him...
freaky?
well, this in-the-tooth stuff is gonna make it much much worse than just the hands free personal kits
Kinda sucks (Score:3, Insightful)
Or having sex, or eating, or exercising, or talking on another phone
And we thought carnivore has scary implications now
-Sean
Sounds bad for safety and privacy (Score:2)
Not only does this sound like a pretty bad idea from the radiation/cancer standpoint, but think of the privacy problems here also.
Sure it's nice because nobody can overhear your conversation because the conversation is in your head. What about tracking you though? It's getting easier and easier for the cell phone companies and government agencies to track and triangulate the position of cell phones. It's not a big deal right now because if you don't want to be tracked, just don't bring your cell phone, or turn it off.
Now if the cell phone is implanted in your teeth or jaw, you can't just leave it behind, and what sort of switch mechanism are they going to have for this so you can turn it off? I may not be doing anything illegal or even be giving anyone a reason to track my where-abouts, but do I really want people to be able to do so?
Also it's still really not all that hard to intercept cell phone conversations [spybusters.com] if you have the proper equipment and the knowledge to use it. Even digital calls can be intercepted. Now if some flaw existed in the firmware on the implanted phone, a spy could turn your microphone on remotely and listen to everything you say and hear.
I know I for one won't be getting any electronics implanted inside my person anytime soon, unless someone invents a miniturized beer distillery that replenishes itself automatically and constantly keeps me supplied with a beer.
Bluetooth? (Score:5, Funny)
Presumably, a filling in the space vacated by cavities. Should be the best use of bluetooth we'll see...
Re:Bluetooth? (Score:2)
Very limited uses.. (Score:4, Funny)
1) I have two phones - one personal, the other for work. Would I have to get two implants? Then, how would I answer one, but not the other? OTOH - If I did this, a conference call would be a cinch.
2) What happens when I need to change from Sprint to AT&T? Do I have to go back to the dentist? Can I sell my old Sprint implant?
3) So how would I surf the wireless web? (Very big lately)
4) What about programming my phone book?
5) Wouldn't getting screwed by your telco now REALLY leave a bad taste in your mouth?
6) If I set the phone to ring "silently", it might just kick loose a filling or to.
7) I don't think anyone I want to talk to would appreciate me snacking down on a hoagie while I'm talking to them, which is almost the only time I get lunch.
8) I'd have to change toothpaste. I'm sure my Colgate Total isn't supposed to be used on electronics.
9) I don't think anyone would buy it, because then they wouldn't be able to say "I wasn't by the phone." Also, can you imagine some of the phone calls? Phone calls in the bathroom, in the shower, while -um- massaging yourself?
and finally...
10) I wouldn't be able to tell between the lunatics talking to God and a Fortune 500 CEO in a conference call. Particularly with the number of well dressed wackos in the world.
This is by far the worst idea I've heard yet.
And those telemarketers... (Score:2)
Don't forget:
11) Never miss a telemarketing phone call again (shudder!)
GMD
Use up those holes (Score:2)
In goes the cell phone.
Finally a quick way to fill up those holes.
i want a digital camera in my head (Score:2)
I think I got the idea from George R R Martin's Tuf Voyaging [amazon.com], with people who got the things installed in the position of a "third eye"
My Grill Be Slugged Up (Score:2)
This is cool and all, but I wonder if those people with platinum teeth would buy into this. I can just see MasterP with one of these.
Of course, these things might provide cover for people who simply talk to themselves...
Sound through bones. (Score:2)
Real Genius (Score:2)
I can see it now - a call from your boss while you're at work:
Boss (in deep voice): "IT drone, this is god!"
You (groggy from all night gaming session): "Huh?"
Boss: "From now on, stop reading Slashdot instead of working!"
You: "It *is* God!"
Warwick? (Score:2)
Why do I get the feeling that Professor Warwick [slashdot.org] is behind this or will at least be the first person to sign up.
Wake up kent! (Score:4, Funny)
Real Genius comes to life! (Score:2)
Re:Real Genius comes to life! (Score:2)
I was just thinking about that!
(Real Genius, not playing with myself)
It's a good movie.
Testing has already begun in metro areas... (Score:2)
It's a secret message... from my TEETH! (Score:2)
I had a prototype (Score:3, Funny)
Back to the drawing board.
Sounds like a good idea (Score:3, Funny)
"Honey, why are you eating the extension cord?"
"I'm meephrbing muh foofphnd!"
"What?"
"I'm meephrbing muh foofphnd, hammt!!"
"I can't understand you."
"I'm recharging my tooth phone, damn it! Now go out to the garage and get me some electrical tape and a case of Bactine."
awesome! (Score:2)
Now I could finally have connectivity for my RectumPad (actually the unintended result of a freak accident involving a Palm IIIe, but let's not go there....)
So .... does it have Bluetooth? *rimshot*
Every 6 months is enough for me. (Score:2)
no thanks.
You have been slightly mislead... (Score:5, Informative)
"Essentially the futuristic tooth would use wireless technology, such as 802.11 or bluetooth, to take signals from audio devices such as mobile phones, radios, stereos or computers, Auger [one of the two main researchers] explained to ElectricNews.Net. These signals would be changed into vibrations that would travel from the tooth, to the skull, eventually creating audible sound in the user's inner ear. No one but the user would be able to hear the sounds."
A more accurate story from ElectricNews [electricnews.net]
Also of interest is this site [augerment.com]. It is James Auger's personal site about his research. It was up before, but I was having some problems with it moments ago.
Tempest (Score:2)
Using a small laser they'll pick up the vibration of your cheek to get the signal... I can see it now
a clue please (Score:2)
It's for you... (Score:2)
When I am angry (Score:2)
(I have to remember to spit it out though, I don't think cell phone is in any food group.)
Warning! (Score:2)
obvious question --- (Score:2)
What the president needs (Score:2)
something worn on the body.
It would be great, if you were a politician, to have your staff able to secretly say something to you as you work a crowd or a room. You could seem like a total genius, remember everybody's name, have every fact at the ready.
BAD Idea. Really, really, BAD idea. (Score:2)
Or worse, you mother picks up the line and you've left your tooth "off the hook."
Or worse, your "significant other" calls.
Just because you can do something, like jerking yourself off with sand-paper, doesn't mean its a good idea.
And this is NOT a good idea. In fact this, class, is an example of a BAD idea.
messages (Score:2)
insanity vs cellphones (Score:2)
The transition for me personally started to happen when hands free phones started becoming common & the hardware was a bit less obvious. I'm curious to see what we'll start assuming about people who are 'talking to themselves' with no visible hardware when this kind of thing gets common..
Consider the source... (Score:2)
In Like Flint (Score:2)
filtering... (Score:2)
Walk by a store and get beamed in advertising, right to your tooth-phone.
Inside a Tooth? Right... Where's the Power Source (Score:2)
Nothing New (Score:2)
Luckily my tin foil hat stops them from picking up any signals from mine.
Dial-by-chewing... (Score:2)
I can picture it now... Some poor slob is in the middle of a hot dream, their teeth are going like millstones, and they suddenly manage to call Zimbabwe at zero-dark-four local time.
The person at the other end picks up their phone, gives the bleary Zimbabwean equivalent of 'Hello,' an incoherent curse or whatever, and their only response is a loud snore.
Don't even get me started on where your calls might go if you started chowing down on saltwater taffy.
Reminds me of an old joke (Score:2)
The jerrys' mobile start's ringing. He starts talking to his pinky. The others are puzzled. The german replies that thanks to MEMS and microtechnology he has a microphone embedded in his pinky and a the receiver in his thumb.
A few minutes later, the yanks' cel goes off. He just starts talking. The others are puzzled. He replied that he has the transmitter implanted in his molar and the receiver in his ear canal. He's got a cel phone in his head.
A little later there's another call. The jap excuses himself and goes behind a bush. There's some whirring going on puzzled, the yank and the jerry peer into the bushes only to find the jap squatting with his pants off. He replies, "I am receiving a fax"
wireless technology (Score:2)
I can see it now... (Score:2)
Would you have to use your tongue to dial it, though?
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Re:Right... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Right... (Score:2)
Ah, so should we give homeless people our non-working junk cell phones so they can retain a measure of dignity while they converse with the voices in their head? Fascinating concept.
Re:President's Analyist (Score:2, Informative)
Re:waiting (Score:2)
"Real Genius" (Score:5, Funny)
Kent.
This is God.
You've been a very naughty boy.
...
I want you to think about what you've done. And until then, STOP PLAYING WITH YOURSELF.
:-)
Re:It'll cost you +2 karma points. (Score:2)
The Love Boat imitates Gilligan (Score:2)
-c