OpenOffice.org Resource Kit 239
OpenOffice.org Resource Kit | |
author | Solveig Haugland, Floyd Jones |
pages | 1040 |
publisher | Prentice-Hall PTR |
rating | 9 |
reviewer | Eater |
ISBN | 0131407457 |
summary | An essential introduction to OpenOffice.org. |
With a stable 1.0 release and spectacular cross-platform functionality, it's finally time to seriously consider putting this software to work in your company. Whether you are completely new to OpenOffice.org or just moving from its predecessor StarOffice, you'll want to take a look at OpenOffice.org 1.0 Resource Kit from Prentice Hall PTR.
The "kit" consists of a well written tutorial book and a companion CD-ROM. The book's authors (Solveig Haughland and Floyd Jones) are salty veterans in the technical training field, and it shows in the quality of the text. The CD contains the OpenOffice.org release itself, as one might expect. It provides builds for every supported platform, to include the Mac OS X developer alpha version. At the time this review was written, two minor upgrades have been made available since my book's CD-ROM was pressed. These are, naturally, available for free via the OpenOffice.org web-site. In addition to the releases, the CD includes templates, macros, and examples from the developer community. The authors provide additional templates and resources at http://www.getopenoffice.org
The first five chapters of the book are devoted to basic issues such as installation, migrating existing data, printer issues, and global setup tips. Special guidance is given to users switching over from StarOffice, or even that Redmond company's office suite. Speaking of that company, OpenOffice.org is superb at converting Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files into its own open formats. The book shows how to use the handy "AutoPilot", which can perform batch conversions of your existing data for use with OpenOffice.org's equivalent applications. Originals are kept safely intact-- AutoPilot produces converted copies. This could make a large office transition much easier, if not completely seamless.
The next six chapters cover the creation of written documents in fantastic detail. The organization of this section is quite intuitive; you'll easily learn how to create a simple letter. When you're ready to write your memoirs, you won't need to buy another book--it's all there: complex formatting options, page layout functionality, object manipulation, linking cross-references, and indexing. And don't forget office goodies like mail merges, label printing, and business cards.
Chapters 13-17 focus entirely on web-page development. Serious web designers may find this section bordering on useless, but the casual user will be able to create a home page without learning a single tag of HTML.
The next several chapters deal with Calc (a spreadsheet program), Impress (for creating presentations), and Draw ("the best drawing program you've never used," say the authors). The layout of each section follows the comprehensive example from the earlier chapters detailing OpenOffice.org's word processor, Writer. Basic topics are organized neatly along with the more advanced ones, and neither seem to get in the way of the other. Both the novice and the expert will find very little lacking from this material.
Organizations who deal frequently with databases will not be disappointed with OpenOffice.org, either. The final three chapters of the book explain how to incorporate data from any flavor database you're likely to be using in your network. Throw in an appendix on macros, and you've got one very complete tutorial masquerading as an all-in-one reference. I'm very picky when it comes to my geek shelf space, and this one gets high marks in all the important areas: comprehensive, well organized, and with a great signal-to-noise ratio.
We have learned that superior open source software alone isn't always enough to supplant the existing closed source way of doing things. However, "document it, and they will come!" The OpenOffice.org 1.0 Resource Kit will go a long way toward fulfilling that prophecy.
Reader Marcus Green sent in a review of this book as well. Here are some of his thoughts:
In addition to the document management features the book covers the more "Page Layout" style features of StarOffice such as the ability to manage columns and to place vertical text running up the page. These are features I was not even aware existed in StarOffice before I read this book.The StarOffice companion has over 1030 pages, but it is really bigger than it sounds because it is very dense. Although it has many screen shots, plenty of use is made of text based instructions. Instead of repeating instructions, the text will often point you to the page where a concept was first explained. This does break up the flow of instructions but it also means that the book contains more information than if they had repeated the text every time it was needed.
I found the section on the graphics module useful because I had not realised how StarOffice has some slightly non-standard ways of working with menus and selections. For example I spent quite a bit of time trying to get the 3d shapes menu to pop out and show all the possible shape options. It was only on a closer reading of the text of this book did I appreciate that you need to click and hold down the mouse for a few seconds before the menu pops out.
The tone of the book comes across as being created by people who like the program rather than a creation of a faceless corporation. Thus in the graphics section they have included the amusing Moose with moving fly graphic that is used for the logo of the JavaRanch website. Here is an example of the text style from the section on macros. "Macros can do things like open a file when you do a particular task, process data, or take your grandmothers' credit cards and buy $3000 worth of cat toys." It also features a section titled "Turning Off Annoying Features," which of course is about the autoformatting and word completion.
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Hey this is great! (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Hey this is great! (Score:5, Insightful)
Documentation is good (Score:2)
I agree to a point-- that the *basic* functionality of the office suite should be intuitive (font selection, etc). But you have to realize that many businesses rely on the advanced features of office suites. These features need to be focused around productivity (think vim, emacs) rather than intuitiveness.
Also, look at http://www.microsoft.com/m
Too early? (Score:5, Insightful)
I wouldn't want to miss out on all the yummy 1.1 goodies and it sounds like it will be a pretty significant change.
Re:Too early? (Score:2)
Not really.
I use OOo and always upgrade to the latest beta releases. Several opinions. I think these are informed opinions of an OOo user...
I have reported a number of bugs in 1.0.x and even in 1.1 beta 1, and have watched the iss
Re:Too early? (Score:2, Insightful)
Setup (Score:4, Interesting)
Basically, scripts or config tools would be cool.
Whatever happened to REXX? (Score:2, Interesting)
Why don't we have these nowadays?!?!?!?
Then we wouldn't need entire books like this, and could get better functionality from all our programs...
Re:Whatever happened to REXX? (Score:2, Interesting)
So maybe it's time to change platforms? ;) Especially now that OpenOffice is coming to MacOS X. It will undoubtedly support AppleScript as well (heck, it probably does already).
Re:Whatever happened to REXX? (Score:3, Informative)
On Windows, you can program OOo from any application that works with automation. (i.e. Visual Basic, Delphi, MS Visual FoxPro, etc.)
OOo can be programmed from any language for which a complete UNO bridge has been written. Recently Python was just added as a first-class language.
AppleScript could have an UNO bridge written for it. (Perhaps as a scripting extension. You know what I'm talking about if you are a Mac user.) But AppleScript's typical
Re:Whatever happened to REXX? (Score:2)
I always get the feeling that people who have never used an Amiga do not fully appreciate the kind of power that ARexx offers, so let me try to provide a s
Check out Regina (Score:2)
Here we go again. (Score:5, Funny)
1) OpenOffice is slow
2) No font config support
3) Ugly paper clip clone (the lightbulb)
4) Uses a non standard printer library
5) Won't work on my 386SX running Slackware 1.0
6) I don't wan't to start a holy war here, but my linux box is taking 20 minutes to.....
7) join the GNAA
8) Mirror [goatse.cx]
9) Openoffice has no footnote support
10) My Mom says linux dosen't have any decent solitare games
11) ???
12) -12, troll.
OPEN SOURCE? MORE LIKE OPENLY RACIST (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Here we go again. (Score:3, Informative)
2) No font config support
I know you were just funning, but folks may want to know that the OOo and fontconfig developers are working together, and fontconfig [fontconfig.org] support is likely to appear shortly. This would be a Good Thing: many of my remaining problems with OOo are font-related.
Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:4, Interesting)
OpenOffice is able to inherit and use the toolkit/widget colors that I select in Linux/KDE. i.e. if my widgets are all brown in other apps, they are also brown in OpenOffice. However, when I am using WindowMaker or another simple managed environment rather than KDE, OpenOffice comes up in Windows NT gray and I can't seem to change that.
I've done an "xrdb -all -edit myrsrcs.txt" from within KDE to grab all the krdb stuff and then an "xrdb myrsrcs.txt" from within WindowMaker, but that didn't help. All of my GTK/GTK2 apps look the way I want them to at this point because my
I even tried "kfmclient file:/opt/OpenOffice.org/progrms/swriter" to see if I could get the KDE colors into OO that way without actually having to be logged in to KDE, but it didn't help.
Does anyone know how to change the widget colors in OpenOffice without having to simply log into KDE or GNOME?
P.S. final hint: using the Tools menu is not the right answer, it contains color options for a great many things, but the menu and toolbar widgets are not among them.
Re:Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:2)
I believe that OpenOffice is a java application, but I'm not going to waste too much time in verifying this. If it is JAVA, then it probably uses Swing which can be customized, but not nearly as much as say, Motif. Swing uses a pluggable look and feel, but if you wish to "roll your own" PLAF, you'd better be in it for
Re:Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:2)
Before JAVA 1.2 (AKA JAVA 2) the AWT toolkit used the underlying operating system's GUI environment to draw buttons, menus, and whatever to the screen. Eventually SUN got a lot of egg on it's face because the GUI environments for all of their supported platforms had bugs in them, and people would associate these bugs with JAVA, so JAVA seem to have a buggy GUI.
SUN's solution was to create SWING which draws all of t
Re:Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:2)
When in KDE, OpenOffice takes on the colors of the KDE environment. But outside KDE, in other Linux/X environments, this does not occur.
I am seeking to understand the mechanism that KDE uses so that I can recreate the effect myself!
Re:Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:2)
You can also run the "kcontrol" program without running KDE and mess with the color settings in there.
Re:Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:2)
When I log into kde and do "xrdb -all -edit myfile.txt" it saves all of the
Unfortunately, it doesn't help. It works on all other applications that KDE normally affects (including old X apps like xv and Athena-based
Re:Slightly OT, but related to OpenOffice: (Score:2)
That's right, you don't understand the question. His problem was already fixed by KDE. Your mom doesn't need to know anything about it if she uses a distro that defaults to KDE; it automagically sets OOo's colors. For your mom, this is a non-problem. KDE papered over th
Upgrade (Score:3, Interesting)
#include otherreview.c (Score:1)
// read this guy's
#include otherreview.c
OpenOffice writer is not ready (Score:2, Interesting)
It needs some real work.
Re:OpenOffice writer is not ready (Score:5, Insightful)
I like open source software. I like how it works. I like how I work when I'm using it. But using open source software is a bit of a social contract. Either pay back the developers with bug reports, or it shouldn't be important enough to complain about (to anyone).
Sometimes the bugs won't get fixed. Now THATS when you should REALLY complain!
One of Kraft's better-kept secrets (Score:5, Funny)
Worst snack food ever.
1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy spreadsh (Score:5, Informative)
Don't judge OpenOffice besed on 1.0.
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:2)
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:2)
Ditto of your ditto. This version starts in under two seconds on my Linux box. I no longer hesitate and ponder whether it's worth the start-up time before starting OOo.
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:2, Informative)
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:3, Funny)
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:2)
(fdisk is the tool, in case you weren't sure).
Also, make sure there are not any old, slow devices on the same IDE channel, as it will be forced to cater to the worst thing attached.
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:4, Informative)
Athlon 1400
512MB RAM
10GB Quantum Fireball IDE HD
Gentoo Linux "-march=athlon-tbird -O3 -pipe"
OOo takes about 5 or 6 seconds to load for me. It's a bit laggy if I leave it for a while, but it picks up to speed as I use it. I think that something is wrong with your configuration/setup since mine _should_ be about 20-30% SLOWER than yours and it's 900% faster.
BTW, my memory usage is about 75MB with OOo loaded, not including cache or buffers.
Abiword speed (Score:2)
Phillip.
Re:1.1 is faster; better Word import; speedy sprea (Score:2)
We use this book (Score:5, Interesting)
ER
Some solutions. (Score:5, Informative)
http://avi.alkalay.net/software/msfonts/
for a solution. Hint, just get Microsoft fontpack.
One more thing, Microsoft supplies free viewers for Word, Excel and Powerpoint. They even run inside Wine. Google for them. I run OO with Windows 2000 and have these viewers installed, plus the fonts. What can i say? It works.
Re:Some solutions. (Score:2)
Re:Some solutions. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Some solutions. (Score:2, Insightful)
OS X Final is out...CD and review out of date. (Score:4, Informative)
If you're looking to get OpenOffice.org for the Mac, you should get the GM from the official download site [openoffice.org] and not use what's on the CD with this book. As the "GM" implies, there were lots of bugs fixed between the "Final Beta" and "GM", and definitely lots of serious issues were fixed since the alpha.
If you're on another platform, you should probably check the version on the CD as well. Even though it's now being called a "legacy build", the latest stable version is 1.0.3.1 [openoffice.org] which fixes nasty printing errors in 1.0.3 on other platforms (didn't happen on the Mac! woo hoo!). The "RC" in 1.1 RC stands for "Release Candidate", so if you're thinking of going the whole way to 1.1 you may want to wait until the RC is dropped from the name.
I guess, in short, don't buy this book just to get OpenOffice.org on a CD since you'll probably have to download a newer version anyway.
Re:OS X Final is out...CD and review out of date. (Score:4, Insightful)
Remember, there's marketing, proofreading, typesetting, printing, binding, warehousing,
distribution, and shelving which all have to be done before you invest your time and money by buying it and reading it. Technology continually speeds up some of these steps, but it will never be automatic. It's just the price you pay for a printed book.
The web can provide you with the latest info, distro, whatever; however, it is a rare website which pours as much effort into one of its articles as a good author / editor / publisher is willing to put into a book.
Here at the office... (Score:5, Interesting)
Thanks to Microsoft, OpenOffice looks pretty damned good.
Re:Here at the office... (Score:2)
the newopenoffice and I was amazed at how mature the suite is.
You mentioned that you import from word and then export back to word and that
it stays fixed without any problems. Now, that sounds impressive. I couldnt figure out
how to export back to word (export doesnt have MS-format option). How do you do it?
I am using the Beta2 version
Re:Here at the office... (Score:2)
Re:Here at the office... (Score:2)
Boring, Uninformative "Review" (Score:5, Insightful)
This review, in particular, almost seems like it was copied straight off of Amazon or something. Some of the quotes seem to come from a marketing firm rather than an independent critic:
Whether you are completely new to OpenOffice.org or just moving from its predecessor StarOffice, you'll want to take a look at OpenOffice.org 1.0 Resource Kit from Prentice Hall PTR.
If only there were some sort of meta-moderation for book reviews...
OpenOffice.org Resource Kit Review (Score: -1, Uninformative)
Re:Boring, Uninformative "Review" (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Boring, Uninformative "Review" (Score:2)
OK, not everybody's cut out to be a book reviewer. But what are the Slashdot editors for if not to filter out content-free submissions? They seem less and less concerned with doing this.
Superb at conversion? (Score:2)
Superb? Uh...no. I recently built a new computer and rather than pay for (or try to bootleg) a copy of Office, I downloaded and installed OO 1.0.3.
I've since tried to open several different Word 2000 documents in OO and not one has converted properly. The worst one was a brochure I did for my wife's jewelry business--a standard two-page three-column brochure with some imbedded
Conversion Blindness (Score:2)
I'd like to see OpenOffice succeed, I really would. It's got so much about it that's cool. I'm particularly an
Re:Superb at conversion? (Score:2)
Is there any decent desktop publishing software for Windoze that doesn't cost an arm, a leg, and a testicle?
Back on OO, I don't want to be seen as slamming it. I like it. I like i
Re:Superb at conversion? (Score:2)
No subtle troll here. I WANT to see OO work and succeed. Alternatives to Office are always a good thing.
"The worst drawing program..."? (Score:2)
I feel guilty about panning this module so strongly when I'm not offering to help fix it. But my attention is elsewhere. I have, however, bought a separate machine and Deneba Canvas, so I don't have a real need for the OOo drawing module. But if I had to use this, I'd be quite desperate indeed.
Have any of you downloaded the resource kit? (Score:2)
Their is a VB like macro language and uno(unified network object )set of api's for use in OO's VB, C++, and Java. Uno is talked about most. Also com/ole is supported on the windows version and the online version of the book at openoffice.org has great detail into it.
Please Timothy! (Score:2)
Re:What's sad... (Score:3, Insightful)
Leave Norm out of this... (Score:5, Funny)
MS Word doesn't import MS Word documents properly...
Re:Leave Norm out of this... (Score:2, Informative)
There *are* issues importing Word documents written with other versions of Word, though.
Re:Leave Norm out of this... (Score:2)
Serves me right for trying ot do complicated document formatting WYSIWYG.
Re:What's sad... (Score:1, Insightful)
Microsoft Word does not import Microsoft Word correctly either
(Especially if you go from one version to another... and, in earlier versions, even if you changed from a Danish version to an English version...)
Re:What's sad... (Score:4, Interesting)
What problems have you had with opening MS Word docs? I've been using OO.o for a while, using myself as a test subject to see if we could replace all/some of our MS Office suites with something comparable. I haven't noticed any problems, but I'd like to hear what other people have issues with.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
What problems have you had with opening MS Word docs? I've been using OO.o for a while, using myself as a test subject to see if we could replace all/some of our MS Office suites with something comparable. I haven't noticed any problems, but I'd like to hear what other people have issues
Well I'm using OpenOffice 1.0.2. I understand that it's not the latest one but it is a 1.0 version.
When I'm importing MS Word docs, I'm able to read the documents but the fonts are sometime mess up. Also Printing an imp
Re:What's sad... (Score:2, Informative)
Umm... (Score:2)
How do you mean? Like Times New Roman becomes Helvetica without you changing it, or the fonts just look bad?
Printing an imported MS Word document never looks the same way as printing an original MS Word document.
Are you printing using OO.o in windows? Printing in Linux is pretty crappy over all (IMHO), so it's probably unfair to compare printing in OO.o under Linux to printing under MS Word in Windows.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Font is a four letter word, and I don't mean that in just the literal sense.
Re:What's sad... (Score:5, Insightful)
I used to work for Kinko's way back when, and companies would send us documents created in Word 97, We'd open them in Word 97, and I'll be damned if Word couldn't format the stupid thing correctly. Bottom line is that people have been joking about MS Word not opening MS Word documents correctly, and they're not joking.
My experience with OO is that it will open a good 95% of what MS Office docs I throw at it. Haven't tried pivot tables or Docs with TOC's yet, though.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
I remember reading that most of the filter improvements in the 1.1 series are also in 1.0.3.x. My few experiments seem to confirm this. For example, a word document that I opened in 1.0.2 did not look like the MS word original, but when I tried in 1.0.3, it looked identical. Now this may not be true for all documents, but upgrading to 1.0.3 may solve some of your import problems.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2, Funny)
At that price you save $121.01, 26% over list price and all the trouble of dealing with open source.
Now wasn't that easy?
Table numbering, for example (Score:3, Informative)
In the table of contents, there is a bit of space between the section number and title in MSO, but OO concatenates the number and title, which also looks ugly.
We also spotted an empty chapter 1 before the actual text started, which was not present in the MSO interpretat
Re:Table numbering, for example (Score:5, Insightful)
Most people don't notice this problem because most people never bother to change the default Word configurations. If Mary makes a Word document and sends it to Steve, and they're both using Word's defaults, it will look exactly the same when Steve opens it. However, if Mary then sends her Word document to Bob (who has spent many hours configuring Word to his liking) Bob's instance of Word will "translate" Mary's document into Bob's preferred formatting. Or rather, it will attempt to do so, with varying degrees of success.
I have personally had to tackle the problem of importing Word documents into Word more times than you can possibly imagine. I've also had to import Open Office documents into Open Office. The problem isn't that "Word sucks" or "Open Office sucks." The problem is that both programs need to find a way to properly import formatting rules on a per-document basis.
(Of course, that's easy for me to say, isn't it? I'm not the one trying to program it, am I?)
Re:Table numbering, for example (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, the parent is only part of the truth. I can say from extensive experience with Word in a legal environment that yes, in fact Word documents do blow up when opened in Word. Number formatting is a big problem, but really any time you have a document stretching over 100 pages or so you're asking for all sorts of weird problems. Not every one, but maybe 1 in a couple hundred or so. Take a library with several million documents and
Re:What's sad... (Score:5, Interesting)
So we have two choices to what we can do.
I'm not much of a defeatist, so I'm going with option 2.
Besides, it imports simple word docs fine. And really, Word is a word processor, not a page layout program. If you really want to do some fancy stuff neither word nor OOo are good. Go get pagemaker or quark.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll email my girlfriend to learn to use pagemaker if she just wants to send me her CV to print out for her. (She has no printer at home)...
I don't have a problem with the software when I'm writing a doc. It's when I'm importing a doc. i.e. I didn't write it.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Well, your girlfriend could write her document in OOo, thus eliminating compatibility problems between you. BTW, if she can't even afford a cheap printer (~$35) how in the heck can she afford MS Office? Have you tried saving Word docs in RTF, then importing this into OOo? RTF is suprisingly capable, able to keep images, tables, etc. quit
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Well, your girlfriend could write her document in OOo, thus eliminating compatibility problems between you.
My girlfriend was just an example. I'm not going to make everyone install OO.
BTW, if she can't even afford a cheap printer (~$35) how in the heck can she afford MS Office?
whatever...
Have you tried saving Word docs in RTF, then importing this into OOo? RTF is suprisingly capable, able to keep images, tables, etc. quite nicely.
Not on complexe documents.
Sometimes I feel that some of you are
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
So you think it's entirely reasonable to require everyone to purchase ~$300 software for compatibility, yet it is not reasonable to require someone to download free software?
whatever...
Wow, your awesome argumentative capabilities astound me.
Not on complexe documents.
Well, no, obviously RTF won't work on highly complex documents (I have no idea what a CV document is). That being the case, I assume you've tried it in yo
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
So you think it's entirely reasonable to require everyone to purchase ~$300 software for compatibility, yet it is not reasonable to require someone to download free software?
Most people already have Word. Not OO. I'm not requiring them to install a 300$ software. I'm the one that doesn't have Word like everyone else.
Wow, your awesome argumentative capabilities astound me.
Thank you
Well, no, obviously RTF won't work on highly complex documents (I have no idea what a CV document is).
A CV is just a
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Most people already have Word. Not OO. I'm not requiring them to install a 300$ software. I'm the one that doesn't have Word like everyone else.
You shouldn't make sweeping generalizations without backing them up. Word is the standard for business, but do you have any numbers for home users (which is what we're talking about)? How many home
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Well, you didn't really refute any of my points. Those you chose to ignore I will assume you agree with. However, despite your rudeness I'll respond one last time.
I think we both understand each other. I guess you just wanted to give me alternatives and I just wanted to say that I can't import Word documents easily without extra work.
Thank you for you suggestions. I'm sincerly sorry for the rudeness. We are both grown people.
Re:What's sad... (Score:3, Informative)
A 'CV' is just the snooty name for a résumé, especially if used outside Europe. A lot of people seem to think that using latin somehow gives them a professional highbrow edge.
--
Re:What's sad... (Score:3, Insightful)
or....
What's a résumé? Something to do with resuming a career?
It's the pretentious french name for CV, especially in the US.
In NZ, CV is the common name - hell most people probably don't realise it's short for some latin stuff.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
CV?
Sorry CV is a Curriculum Vitae.
also, why not just set up ipp on her PC? it is realy easy to do in windows. then she can print directly to your printer using your computer as a print server.
I do it over my network at home from my windows laptop to my printer connected to my Mac OS X in the basement.
and ipp was invented to go over the internet.
I print at work... free paper...
Luugi
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
So everyone "prints" the document, previews in Ghostscript, and then emails me the PS version, which I can print at work.
Works a charm for me.
Re:What's sad... (Score:3, Funny)
If you wish to gain access to this light socket, you need to give me the electrical cord of the appliance of your choice, and I will route it through the 2x2x2 iron safe that protects my newly created intellectual property. If you throw tons of cash at me, I might allow you to look at the plug directly, but only on the condition that I can prevent you from telling anyone else
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Now that would be evil
Re:What's sad... (Score:5, Insightful)
For instance, the version that was realized around the time of Windows 3.11 did not by default install the filters needed to load Word files from many other versions of word, particularly DOS and Macintosh. Even when the filters were installed, corruption of data was common.
More recently certain versions and installations of Word 2000 seemed to chew up my Word 95 files. Headers went missing, text was garbles, all sorts of stuff.
The reality is that MS is so obsessed in keeping monopoly though the closed and convoluted Word format, that they do not seem to care if inter-version file can be moved perfectly. Likewise, they are so obsessed with all user upgrading with every version, they do not seem feel responsible about full support of older formats.
What we need is a really inclusive formatted text file format. If companies like Sun, IBM, Redhat, and Thinkfree would just get together to come up with something, then there could be a competitive force. RTF just does not seem good enough. At this point MS is no longer selling the tool, but the file format. The competition needs to be on that basis.
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
What we need is a really inclusive formatted text file format. If companies like Sun, IBM, Redhat, and Thinkfree would just get together to come up with something, then there could be a competitive force.
How about this one [openoffice.org]? IBM already seems to like it [ibm.com].
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Are you trying to suggest that the creators of Microsoft Word somehow got the idea that a word processor does to documents what a food processor does to food?
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
Seriously, something has got to happen in terms of standardization. I got very strange looks when I told my office that I wasn't able to fill out the excel-embedded-in-word timesheet and the'd have to accept tab-delimited text files instead. Come to think of it, maybe that's why they put me on salary, so the HR-queen wouldn't have to transfer all my text timesheets to the company format each week.
I told them it was because I was storing my timesheet on a Palm, w
Re:What's sad... (Score:2)
No, what's sad is that this single, solitary complaint is the only negative thing I ever hear about OO, and still it gets modded up as fucking 'informative'.
It is the only negative thing about it. But's it's negative, an not everyone knows that.
Re:OS X uses beware!! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:OS X uses beware!! (Score:2)
Not that software development is any less a mystery to those outside of coding circles.
Re:OS X uses beware!! (Score:1)
You're full of shit.
Re:OS X uses beware!! (Score:2)
Truth, not troll.
Re:anti-mac posters beware!! (Score:2)
There's no "secret middle layer API" in Mac OS X. Go get an ADC account, a few books on programming for the Mac, and find out for yourself.
Re:This is patchethetic (Score:2)