

China, Russia, U.S. To Build 100MBps Network 213
prostoalex writes "Gloriad (Global Ring Network for Advanced Applications Development), a scientific data network, will unite academic institutions in China, Russia and the United States with a 100 MBps link. National Center for Supercomputing Applications received a $2.8 mln grant from NSF, and both Russia and China will match this amount to contribute to network build-up. Later this year, as the Associated Press article notes, a new plan will be launched to move the international network to 10 GBps capacity."
Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
"B" means "bytes," at least in this case. Though it would've been nice for a Slashdot editor to clear this ambiguity.
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:3, Informative)
But what's an order of magnitude between friends?
- Peter
Does it really matter? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:5, Informative)
Of course capital B is a standard for Bytes. People are just ignorant to the fact. It doesn't make it any less true.
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2, Informative)
Capital B is not necessarily a standard for "Bytes".. people just like to pretend it is.
Capital B is entirely a standard for bytes. I buy a 256MB DIMM, not a 2048Mb DIMM.
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
Random side-note about lower and upper-case meaning distinctions: the proper spelling of what North Americans call "calories" is "Calories", and, when spoken aloud, is pronounced "kilo-calories". A calorie is the energy needed to raise 1 ml of water 1 degree centigrade. That's pretty much nothing when it comes to food, so kilo-calories are used. However, consistent sloppy handling of the "calorie" "Calorie" distinction (plus a pretty silly orthographic approach in the first place) has resulted in people
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
Re:Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2)
As an aside, I wonder how many slashdot users realize that the only other countries in t
hmpf (Score:1)
Fast Porn, thanks (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Fast Porn, thanks (Score:2)
100 MBPS... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:1)
And we are firewalled from the rest of the organisation (~1990 others) through a 1MBps connection! With an independent external connection it is quicker to connect to them externally than internally (traversing the internal email firewall, for example, takes minimum 15 mins)!
Networking at its greatest is my employer!!!
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:3, Informative)
MBps == MegaBytes per second
Mbps == Megabits per second.
100BASE-T ethernet is 100Mbps. Note the small "b".
- Peter
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:2)
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:2)
All your base are belong to us...
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:5, Insightful)
Wow, stunning. You don't know what you're talking about.
The "B" is capitalized here for a reason. It's Bytes, not bits.
And if you were to RTFA, you'd find: (emphasis mine)
A wide-area-network at well over 1Gbps (that's bits) is nothing to sneeze at.
From the same article:
Once you start talking about DVD-per-second rates of data, you've got something.
- Peter
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:1)
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Re:100 MBPS... (Score:2)
On this ship, you're to call me idiot, not you captain.
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:5, Informative)
Stupid, stupid article. Stupider
The network is just a 155Mbps -- that's Megabits per second -- network. That's just an OC3.
Look at the google cache of a powerpoint [216.239.37.104] discussing this network.
So this breaks no speed records -- but it is a nice fat pipe into some places that have very limited bandwidth to the outside world.
- Peter
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:2)
Here is the very basic details on GLORIAD from the presentation:
10 Gbps Lambda ring across Russia, China, US (and the oceans between) (likely access point in Amsterdam also)
There is a lot of interesting stuff in that powerpoint presentation, the google cache makes it nearly unreadable thoug
Re:100 MBPS... (Score:2)
Would.you.like.to.play.a.game? (Score:3, Funny)
It would be interesting to learn some Russian and Chinese swear words.
Re:Would.you.like.to.play.a.game? (Score:5, Funny)
Screw that, I wanna play Red Alert!
Re:Would.you.like.to.play.a.game? (Score:2)
On the CHINUSRUSNET? You got it! Hmm, shit, what did I did with my Soviet Disc??
Re:Would.you.like.to.play.a.game? (Score:2)
Just one more thing, (Score:2)
Damon,
Too slow, too late? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Too slow, too late? (Score:1)
If they're just going to be establishing something like this, shouldn't they shoot for the high end and avoid immediate obsolecence?
Somehow, this seems only logical to me, to have our significant and maj
We have a winner (Score:1, Funny)
Viagra spam routed through China.
Hot Russian women.
All at 100MBps.
pre-emptive post (Score:2)
Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:1)
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:2)
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:5, Insightful)
Close, but it is a country ruled by the military backed elite for the corporations with no rights given to the individual. We have a word for this merging of totalitarianism and corporatism: fascism. The only deviation from the standard definition of fascism is the absence of a single, demigod-like leader (ie. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin). Though it could be argued that the memory of Mao serves this purpose.
Regardless, the person who compared China to Europe is spectacularly stupid. Unless they meant Europe of the 1930s.
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:2)
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/23/international
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:2, Insightful)
Cuba also grow sugar.
Protecting the US sugar farmers is also a reason for keeping the embargo.
Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:2)
You can't carry refugees/drugs/weapons/money/cigars with fibre. If you considered the fact that there's no need for data to go through customs, you wouldn't find this so 'odd'.
Mirror, just in case (Score:2, Informative)
Dec 23, 10:10 AM (ET)
By JIM PAUL
CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (AP) - Soon scientists in the United States, China and Russia will be able to collaborate in cyberspace over a new high-speed computer network that includes the first direct computer link across the Russia-China border, developers say.
The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting computers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong
what's your problem, dude? (Score:3, Funny)
DWDM & OTDM (Score:5, Informative)
speads of 40 Giga-bits per second if they wanted, most
likely faster as my knowledge is somewhat dated, ie. 2001
I know Nortel was working on sending 160 Tera-bits down a
single strand of fiber, and I have seen working gear that
pushes 40 Giga-bits 2 years ago
Here is a article from 1999 that said they hit 1.6 Tera
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0CGC/19_25/
There is now 10 Giga-bit Ethernet
www.10gea.org
The Telecom links always outpace the current Ethernet high end
by usually a sizeable amount
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Re:DWDM & OTDM (Score:3, Insightful)
before needing a inline amplifying module
Speeds verified here as well
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber
Before they went bankrupt Global Crossing strung undersea
cable over most of the earth that did not have fiber, but
did have major technologically advanced cities
Here is some good info on Under Sea cables, and speeds that
were higher than 100 Mbps a LONG time ago
http://telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_cables_se a
Here is a sample
Re:DWDM & OTDM (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.eurescom.de/~public-seminars/1998/OA D M/ Proceedings/Paper16.html
See "Section 4.0 : Conclusions" at the bottom of the above
mentioned webpage
Routing can be done electrically in the SDH path layers, or optically in the OC layer. Electrical routing is a logical operation, while optical routing is physically implemented.
Optical routing provides flexibility. It has a coarse granularity (e.g.: STM-16) and avoids using huge DXCs in high-capacity networks.
I
Re:DWDM & OTDM (Score:2)
pre-planned, but here of late some can be signalled out of
band remotely to change their traffic patterns
It is not routing in the electrical sense, but at least it is
zero latency, LOL
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
That's nice, but what about a link to Nigeria? (Score:2, Funny)
Please forgive me. (Score:2)
Yeah but does China REALLY need it? (Score:1, Interesting)
What do they need with 100 Mbps? Ways to send elaborate communist propoganda?
There is the idea that the more you bring them into the world community the more they have to play by the rules. Witness their growing pains regarding the WTO. Gotta respect
Re:Yeah but does China REALLY need it? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Yeah but does China REALLY need it? (Score:1)
But, from the article:
while Russia and China often exchanged scientific information by meeting in Chicago
It looks like Russia and China have bigger problems, like meeting in Chicago instead of, say, Russia or China? Silly Easterners.
"Ring"? (Score:2)
Re:"Ring"? ... Series of Rings (Score:2)
most likely be a series of rings, so that is a line is
cut at one point the ring will automatically reroute
the other direct
So called "Sonet Rings" are becoming common here in the US because
ppl like to employ the fiber seeking backhoe
Will have to wait for the second announcement (Score:2, Interesting)
Why build a network then plan to replace the whole
Re:Will have to wait for the second announcement (Score:2)
Would it be easier for you guys to understand if they had said that this is a high speed research network starting at 1 Gbps and eventually topping out at 100 Gbps? Because, that's what they're saying.
Re:Will have to wait for the second announcement (Score:2)
It is the same reason why the 802.11b WAP you bought a couple years ago can't magically do
Re:Will have to wait for the second announcement (Score:2)
The same strand of fiber should be able to handle up to terabit/byte speeds with the right hardware, assuming its backwards compatible, etc.
But building a whole new network every year when you need to upgrade would be good for the economy. It would make more jobs. So perhaps we should since we're obviously too lazy to figure out why we shouldn't.
The reason not to rebuild everything over and over agai
Re:Will have to wait for the second announcement (Score:2)
Sigh, they never learn..... (Score:1)
nice change (Score:1)
I hope it continues and more of this cooperation amoung countries continues to expand. MAYBE someday we will work as one planet instead of individual countries. Maybe......
Private worldwide networks. (Score:5, Insightful)
Meanwhile, many companies, from small businesses to worldwide corporations, are spending a lot of money to fight spam and other problems. I see a need for many large businesses to get together and build their own network, an "Internet-3" so to speak. They would still have security concerns, but because most of the network's traffic will be business related, the signal to noise ratio will be much better.
With wireless access becoming more popular, I even see the normal consumer providing pieces of the Internet. This network, the original Internet, might eventually become the place where a lot of garbage goes around, while private worldwide networks might eventually keep things clean.
Of course, once all these networks become large, I can see connections made between them, and that will defeat the whole purpose.
Re:Private worldwide networks. (Score:2)
Not if it will be a DIFFERENT network... (Score:3, Interesting)
I am wondering how much spam is going between banks on the SWIFT network (or whatever the proper name for that thing they use to move big $$ around). let me remind you, banks ARE businesses, but they have a bit more at stake than a chance to sell a $10 bottle of Viagra.
Paul B.
Is SWIFT fun? (Score:2)
As far as I am concerned, using SWIFT would be even less fun than using the internet behind the Great Firewall of China.
Re:Is SWIFT fun? (Score:2)
Maybe it would be better to separate two of my statements into two separate posts. In no way I was in favor of making Internet the likes of SWIFT, the latter was just an example that a (semi-)secure network can be built.
Strong crypto being a foundation of any information exchange on the Internet-X does not necessarily contradict the free
maybe...cultural contamination (Score:1)
Please, RTA (Score:3, Informative)
This is not a 100 Mbps (or MBps) connection to the internet. This is a private WAN between the connected institutions.
That means, unless you work or attend one of those institutions, no spam, no mp3s, no pron, no blocking of websites, nothing.
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Three-Ring Circus (Score:1, Funny)
Yeah, sweet.. (Score:1)
Seriously, if those two countries just dropped off the entire Internet, the quality of online life would increase dramatically.
(In case you can't tell, I'm angry. I've currently got some spammer over there forging my email domain RIGHT NOW and I'm dealing with thousands of bounces from everwhere.. and nobody involved giv
where's the EU and other Euro nations? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:where's the EU and other Euro nations? (Score:2, Informative)
Check out nordunet:
http://www.nordu.net/map_nordunet.png
All universities (and many museums and institutions) in sweden has a dual redundant 2.5 Gbit/s (10 Gbit/s) connection to SUNET which connect to NORDUnet
Translation... (Score:3, Funny)
The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting spammers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong before hooking up with Chicago again, said Alan Ralsky of the National Center for Bulk Email Advertising, one of the leaders of the Little CHINANET project. Spam will flow at 155 million bytes per second.
"This new network permits us to learn more from each other in areas where we have not worked together in the past," Ralsky said Monday.
[...]
Spammers have always chosen black-hat ISPs that assure them the capacity to send huge volumes of emails at speeds much faster than typical deliveries and for real-time bargains on high-tech penis enlargements, Ralsky said.
Little CHINANET - an acronym for Common Harbor for Incredibly Nasty Advertising Networks Exceeding Tolerance - will allow spammers and bulk hosters to work together on such issues as ignoring complaints, safeguarding spamvertised sites, monitoring server performance or joint open proxy exploration.
[...]
Little CHINANET is a "first big step" toward development of the higher-speed CHINANET, Ralsky said. That effort, expected to be launched later this year, will send spam at 10 gigabytes per second, 60 times faster than the Little CHINANET.
Computer connections have fostered spam collaborations that otherwise might not have happened, Ralsky said.
"There's some advantage to having people being able to talk more regularly," he said. "There are fewer misunderstandings. I think these networks are going to be more important to the more critical issues that we're all addressing together."
Re:Translation... (Score:2)
How about a nice hot cup of RTFA.
How Convenient (Score:2)
Maybe instead of diplomatic missions we're going to start settling trade disputes in a Quake arena.
Not so squeezy. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Not so squeezy. (Score:2)
Idea (Score:5, Funny)
Internet2? (Score:2)
this is so NORAD (Score:2)
100 MBps (soon 10 GBps) to Chinese students? (Score:2)
Great! (Score:2)
Re:OT, I know (Score:1, Funny)
Re:OT, I know (Score:2)
Re:OT, I know (Score:3, Funny)
seeks same in a man. ps: must be into marathon sex.
Re:OT, I know (Score:2)
Re:OT, I know (Score:2)
Re:Russia/China and not Europe? (Score:1)
"The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting computers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow..."
Re:Russia/China and not Europe? (Score:2)
at kicking off a project like this with the backing of all
the Euro-Telco Corporations
If they could get them to cooperate, current in the ground
dark fiber could be lit end to end and plug into Trans-Atlantic
cable, and a fiber bundle leading into Russia
100 Mbps is really slow, a OC-3 is 155 Mbps, and 40Gbps links
are now in service in the US and elsewhere
In Europe I think they are rated as STM-x
Sonet lines already cross europe with speeds
Re:Russia/China and not Europe? (Score:2)
Re:Russia/China and not Europe? (Score:2)
Did not notice they were using bytes versus bits
If they can get it to 10 Giga-Bytes per sec, they will
have one helluva link
Re:Only 100MBps? (Score:2)