Satellite Radio Subscriptions Rising 302
aSiTiC writes "Apparently, satellite radio is finally catching on. I'm an avid internet radio listener on stations such as KEXP, BBC 6Music and SomaFM. I am looking for a more portable alternative and I wonder if eventually my favorite MP3/RM/WMA internet stations will be ever be carried on satellite."
MP3/OGG stations (Score:3, Interesting)
Now if we could find industry... (Score:2)
Connect to WiFi network and access one of major P2P networks as a generic node sharing all your songs, download new ones. Or connect through WiFi to someone else with the same kind of player, download his songs from his player, let him download your songs, and if he has access to the net or someone with songs you want, use his player as a relay
Re:MP3/OGG stations (Score:5, Funny)
Imagine that, a wireless radio. Wow!
Same with satellite TV. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Same with satellite TV. (Score:4, Funny)
The obvious course of action would be for you to unsubscribe if you don't like the content.
Re:Same with satellite TV. (Score:4, Interesting)
I have gobs of music in the player and never am lost as to what is where bue to decent layout of discs and order in the changer.
My friend that has a Clarion joyride and it's 12 disc DVD changer can play DVD discs full of mp3's and pretty much has more music in it than XM or Sirius can ever have, at audio quality that make both look downright silly.
I prefer to have control of what I listen to instead of paying clear-channel 12 bucks a month to decide for me.
I rather doubt it... (Score:2, Interesting)
Since XM has more than 2 million songs stored in its databases, I rather doubt that you could carry that much around, no matter how good your compression scheme. They have several large databases, the largest of which is 28TB, spinning hard disks.... And they plan to increase this subs
Re: (Score:2)
Re:I rather doubt it... (Score:3)
And how do you find new music to like?
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Same with satellite TV. (Score:2)
Re:Same with satellite TV. (Score:2)
Oh and btw quality of XM radio is as high as it gets, they do a direct digital feed from the distribution CD's and they error check all the data to minimalize distortion. Meaning it is above any level of standard MP3/OGG/etc compression in quality.
Oh XM is also
This Applies to Music, but not to News (Score:2, Insightful)
XM Radio - First Hand Account (Score:4, Informative)
Anyone who does a fair bit of travelling in a car can tell you that talk radio is a much better companion than music after about 3 hours. Previously I had a head unit that could play mp3-cds and I would routinely fill a disc withb audiobooks or clips from my favorite radio program (Howard Stern) which proved to be an invaluable trip companion. I thought the lack of mp3-cd capability would be awful for me, but XM is filling the gap nicely. There's lots to chose from -- ESPN for Sports, CNN and Fox News for headlines, and E! and Discovery radio for other special interest programming. The other night I had to drive around the block a few times as the Jesse Ventura E! True Hollywood Story finished. So, if you are looking for XM for music, you will be pleasently surprised but not blown away. For talk radio, it really is tough to beat, especially when you don't have to worry about losing signals as you move around.
Re:XM Radio - First Hand Account (Score:5, Funny)
A. Does not belong on
B. Is a liar
1. Recently I purchased an 04 Accord - Sure he bought a brand new Accord. /. readers actually graduated. They are either 5th year frehman, or they dropped out.
2. I have a girlfriend -/. readers don't have girlfriends.
3. at the University I graduated from last year - no
4. There's lots to chose from -- ESPN for Sports, CNN and Fox News for headlines, and E! -no self respecting nerd would listen to this stuff.
In short, I think this is a well discuised attempt at karma whoring, and should be treated as such.
Re:XM Radio - First Hand Account (Score:2, Funny)
1. I swear, I did buy it! It's financed, but I technically walked in the showroom and bought it! :)
2. Again, I swear she's real. She's half-chinese if that helps!
3. BS, Computer Science, Virginia Tech, 5 and a half years
4. I said that you could choose from these stations, of those I listen to only E! with any regularity.
I also came in second place at a Star Wars trivia contest in Disney World. Please, LET ME STAY!
Re:XM Radio - First Hand Account (Score:2)
Re:XM Radio - First Hand Account (Score:2)
Hmm... it'd appear that the handful of us that have girlfriends have been inconsiderate. Sorry!
Mod parent up (Score:2)
Re:Same with satellite TV. (Score:2)
Hmm. People still pay for cable or satellite TV, despite having a case of DVD's and a DVD player.
And good ol' AM and FM radio stations seem to thrive, despite many drivers having CD's and CD players.
The trade off is paying for subscription vs having wide-scale coverage (great for truckers and other long-distance drivers) and having more available channels and less commercials.
Re:Same with satellite TV. (Score:3, Funny)
XM Radio here (Score:5, Interesting)
I recently received an XM radio. I used to be unimpressed with these services but the breadth of radio stations is actually quite good. With C-NET and Headline news I can keep up on events quite easily. The quality is phenomenal and it has become a cool way to find out about a lot of music I wouldn't otherwise be exposed to.
I have not had any experience with SIRIUS yet. Can anyone here attest to it's quality?
CNET Radio, R.I.P. (Score:4, Informative)
The "CNET Radio channel" on XM is now David Lawrence's 3-hour synidcated show (that CNET never owned, they just rented) called Online Tonight and that's it. The same 3 hour show repeated 8 times a day.
Re:CNET Radio, R.I.P. (Score:3, Informative)
The "CNET Radio channel" on XM is now David Lawrence's 3-hour synidcated show (that CNET never owned, they just rented) called Online Tonight and that's it. The same 3 hour show repeated 8 times a day. :)... It's a ghost of its former self and is just screaming for XM to consolidate Onlin
Re:CNET Radio, R.I.P. (Score:2)
I don't want my MTV (Score:2)
These shows always end up gradually dumbing themselves down in an effort to increase ratings. They figure, correctly I think, that there are more people out there striving to be hiphoppy and sunglassy than technically savvy.
What they miss is that these people aren't going to tune
Re:CNET Radio, R.I.P. (Score:2)
Re:CNET Radio, R.I.P. (Score:2)
Re:XM Radio here (Score:2)
Football fans will be interested to know that Sirius will be carrying all sunday NFL games starting next season at no extra charge.
Internet Radio = Satelite Radio? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Internet Radio = Satelite Radio? (Score:2)
Look out, more ads and spam in the future! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Look out, more ads and spam in the future! (Score:2, Interesting)
Advertisers always look at anything as an advertising channel that they have some right to stuff with their .. ads. Billboards, buses, your clothing, foreheads, whatever. The day after someone makes the Paint the Moon [space.com] trick work, count on advertising up there. (Especially since no
Re:Look out, more ads and spam in the future! (Score:2)
I beg to differ. There's an American flag sitting on it. And if you trespass, we'll... uh.. damn, wish I had thought of something before hitting submit.
Re:Look out, more ads and spam in the future! (Score:4, Insightful)
I know you can still find some commercial free stuff, but not in the basic level. It used to be all premium at the basic level. The 2 minutes of commercials per hour (XM) will soon fall to the pressure of advertisers just like cable (my prediction). Commercial free stuff will move to a premium service. From what I hear, that's already started with one premium channel now extra charge.
The demand will be for more channels in a limited bandwidth to include the premium channels while not dropping advertiser driven revenue streams for basic service. Why would subscription radio have any different business model than cable tv or sat tv? They know how to get advertisers to pay for eyeballs and get consumers to pay extra for the package deal.
It's just a matter of time for the advertisers to notice and offer the big bucks to reach the ears.
Does it have my music? (Score:2, Interesting)
Do they have a punk station? If so, what kind of punk?
Re:Does it have my music? (Score:2, Informative)
You can browse XM's stations and listen to them on their web page [xmradio.com] (if you have Windows Media Player). After having glanced at their offerings, I think you may be out of luck as far as old school punk is concerned.
Internet Stations - why would they? (Score:2, Interesting)
Now whether or not such an outage would be XM's (sirius, etc) fault, the average user would blame XM because it wasn't "just working" like average users need
Re:Internet Stations - why would they? (Score:2)
It just can't happen. Small-time content gets influenced by making it to the big-time
Uptime is not the issue... (Score:2, Interesting)
For example, SomaFM runs several of our channels with OtsDJ [otsdj.com], an inexpensive but quite capable and professional broadcast playback and stream encoding solution. These instances often have uptime of 60-90 days between restarts, so reliability there is not a proble
Links (Score:4, Informative)
More detailed listing here (Score:2, Informative)
It's worth it.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course if you don't want to listen to Sat radio then head to the Future of Rock and Roll at WOXY.COM. 97X - BAM! The Future of Rock and Roll [woxy.com] (As seen in Rainman!). They stream over the 'net and are playing such delicious artists right now like the New Pornographers, Beulah and the Twilight Singers. Find THAT on your local alterna-pop, cock-rock rotating channel owned by the Borg (read: Clear Channel).
Sadly Clear Channel DOES have a stake in XM.
Re:It's worth it.. (Score:2)
Re:It's worth it.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Probably for the cost of the XM hardware, you could have had both there complete collection and then some. I'm not sure what XM costs these days, so maybe I'm wrong.
By rthe way isn't XM owned by clear channel?
Re:It's worth it.. (Score:3, Informative)
It's hard to hear either of those bands on the air, so I'm glad there's a station playing TS on the net and the air.
Re:It's worth it.. (Score:2, Informative)
*Tunes dial to 97.7* Yep There it is. 97X in all its glory.
It is the only thing that makes living in Cincinnati worthwhile.
Hi Barb! (I will be forwarding this thread to my friends over at 97X, they love the advertising.)
Corporate Radio Sucks! (I still have the button)
I would have modded you up, but everyone else beat me to it.
Re:Corporate radio (Score:3, Informative)
Now, at a basic level, I'm sure a university is a corporation. And even a family operated business is still a business. But you would actually have to listen to 97x to understand the difference I suppose.
As quoted from their webpage "In a world where large--and larger--corporate radio groups dominate the radio landscape, 97X continues to be a family business owned by Doug & Linda Balogh. Family-business values are reflected in the cultu
Now what about this? (Score:2)
Possibly integrated with your cellular phone?
Pick a song from a (big) list and have it downloaded over GPRS, billed with your phone like a call or MMS, recorded in your player's memory/drive. Anywhere, anytime. No desktop computer required.
Re:Now what about this? (Score:2)
For those of us (Score:5, Insightful)
ON tv was on of the first cable TV. it cam with a set top box that had a knob with 2 positions ON and OFF. change to chanel 3 or 4, turn it on, instant commercial free movies, no restrictions.
Copar it to cable TV now. there is a lot more channels, but most of them have commersials. If you want to see something commercial free, you have to pay more on top of your basic service.
Satalite radio will go the same way. within 8 years, you'll have commercial, unless you pay for premium content.
There is a lesson in there, somewhere.
Already has commercials (Score:2)
Re:For those of us (Score:2)
Re:For those of us (Score:2)
Pittsburgh has great radio, but it's certainly an exception. Most of this country has nowhere near that number of radio stations. This is much notably worse while highway driving.
Sirius - The Good and the Bad (Score:5, Informative)
All in all though, I've been rather happy with it and I'll gladly continue to fork over the 12.95
-Chris
Re:Sirius - The Good and the Bad (Score:2)
I mean, there has to be a value ad for you somewhere. Do you travel a lot?
Re:Sirius - The Good and the Bad (Score:2)
-Chris
Re:Sirius - The Good and the Bad (Score:2)
The FM modulator is what makes you tune into a specific channel in order to hear Sirius. FM Modulators ALWAYS suck.
sattelite internet radio (Score:2)
i'm chock full of ideas!
Not very revolutionary (Score:2)
"Hot hits from KISS-XM!", top 40s, classic rock, all the usual music that you will hear on some Clearchannel radio station in Anytown, USA.
News from CNN and Fox news, which I can get from dozens of different sources, all of whom report the exact same stories with the same opinions.
Not very revolutionary.
Really, what makes XM better then the zillions of crap commercial radio stations already available in my area?
Unfortunately, I can't l
Re:Not very revolutionary (Score:2)
Even when public radio does have commercials, they are usually short.
And yes, I donate money to public radio, because of the quality of their content.
If XM was more like this, I'd pay.
No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:5, Interesting)
A friend was recently telling me about a show on NPR which plays bad cover songs... now that sounds great! However, I'm really not in the car often enough to chance onto finding it, so I'll probably never hear it. But with RadioTivo, I could tell it to seek and record those programs which interest me and skip the trash. Just imagine being able to listen to your favorite morning disk jockey at any time during the day, and with no commercials! You could have RadioTivo record a few days of your favorite station (not a problem because the amount of space required to record broadcast radio on your RadioTivo is minimal) and skip not only commercials, but those songs you don't like. In fact, we could have our high tech researches program RadioTivo to understand when one song ends and the next begins and add a Skip to the next song button. RadioTivo is the answer.
Am I the only person who's thought of this? I've never heard anyone mention it before. Too bad I don't have the patience or the capital to make this happen. Oh well, I'll send Tivo an email and the sue them when they come up with the idea on their own.
I hearby copyright the concept of RadioTivo (although clearly not the name, someone else holds the copyright to that.)
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:3, Insightful)
"Radio" is in part designed to deliver a stream of music that you don't control because there's program directors behind the scenes who have the job of determining what mix of music the listeners who like their format want to hear, which is what defines their format. That is to say, how would you know that you like (your favorite artist here) if it wasn't for the existance of a radio service of some kind? You're just gonna read about them? No, you need to h
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, there are a lot of products on radio, again like anything involving "talk", which you cannot buy or download legally at any price. Why wouldn't RadioTivo be g
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2)
Radio however, doesn't change as much. Kiss 108 is Kiss 108 all through the day. K-Rock is K-Rock all through the day. There's subtile changes in the morning where there's a little more talk and traffic info, and in the night where the more offensive content can come out to play, bu
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2)
Your point is valid for music stations and 24/7 news stations.
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2)
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2)
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2, Informative)
http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/index.php
a part of the country without much radio coverage (Score:2)
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2)
http://www.gotuit.com/audio/
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2, Informative)
The key command is:
mplayer -cache 256 -ao pcm -aofile $wav_file http://someinternetradiostation/
This records a wav file (anyone know how to get mplayer to record directly to mp3? Couldn't find out how to do it from the docs). Note the cache opti
Re:No, TivoRadio is what we need! (Score:2)
Eeeeyup. The biggest problem is that most people (note the word "most") listen to radio very differently than they watch TV -- they're not tuning in at specific times. The programming model of radio has thus differentiated itself from that of TV quite a bit. This is why the concept of an audio VCR (tape based) never caught on
I was suprised (Score:2)
Re:I was suprised (Score:2)
So they pay a bunch of money to listen to crap over satellite?
Satellite radio makes sense if you're living in a rural community, travel long distances or spend a lot of time listening to the radio. However, if you live in a major city and only listen to the radio on your way to and from work, you're paying to listen to pretty much the same stuff you can for free and missing out on a ton of local news and info while you're at i
Wow I should get XM radio right now! (Score:2)
Sure XM radio does sound nice, I can listen to my style music wherever I go and it'll be commercial free. But I already listen to my style
Re:Wow I should get XM radio right now! (Score:2)
The fact that the business model of the service has them more loyal to their listeners than their sponsors lead to some very interesting music selections and responses to listener requests...
Never (Score:2, Insightful)
I will never pay money to watch TV, or listen to the radio. I could really give a crap less if the signal is clearer, and there are more c
Always commercials on Cable TV (Score:2)
I've been watching cable TV on and off since 1968, and have seen the offerings in many different markets over the years. Every one of them was chock full of commercials (with only some channels being commercial-free)
Love my Sirius Radio. (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, it's $12.95/mo, and XM is $9.95. For that $3, I get more channels and NO commercials (other than telling me about Pam Anderson's radio show).
It's also nice to drive from my place in Los Angeles to see my family in Bakersfield and never have to change my station.
I still carry CDs with me, but thanks to Sirius, I get exposed to new music and buy more CDs (the record companies should be happy about that)...
Sirius (Score:2)
Sirius has no commercials on the music feeds
we tried to get the audiovox pnp2 unit (house/car portable bit), but the cigarette lighter in the car wasnt connected, so i went with a panasonic head unit.
after a bunch of wiring later, it all worked.. except for the antenna.. it had
Just Say No!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Remember free tv? Now we are all hostage to cable companies for our tv, broadcast is a joke. Yeah, you can do it, but lets face it, few do.
Don't make our future include "remember free radio?" Boycot this stupid idea.
Yeah, no commercials, I know. Right. That'll last until quarterly profits start slipping and they can't raise rates anymore.
The problem... (Score:3, Insightful)
If you want me to PAY for your service, give me the hardware...or if you want me to pay for the hardware, give me choice (or give me the service)...
The fact remains that XM hardware only works with XM service, therefore the hardware is useless otherwise...
If they're gonna charge for the hardware, they should provide additional functionality (like MP3/OGG) or a free alternative (like a free basic service level).
One way of essentially giving away the hardware would be to include XM or Sirius in new vehicles (buy a new Ford, get XM radio)...the major advantage here is that they could hide some of the cost in the complete sound package. The big selling point for this could be an upgraded stereo system (6-8 speaker system, mp3 CD, etc) or free service for a period of time (say 3-6 months)...
You listen to radio for music? (Score:2)
Blew The Gift Market (Score:3, Informative)
I was going to get XM or Sirius setups for one or two relatives (as in, was at the store, had liked XM, but Sirius had a nicer receiver).
Too bad you couldn't obviously give people the actual subscriptions as gifts. Problem was, providing gifts as subscriptions exposed the fact that there was a subscription fee -- and if you look around the packaging and brochures, you'll find said fee is nowhere to be found (at least at the three stores I looked -- Fry's, Good Guys, and Best Buy).
Since there's no fee to be found, there's no "six month subscription" to be found either.
I wasn't about to give a gift that came with a recurring fee w/ no demo. So I bought something more interesting.
--Dan
Here in the UK (Score:2)
You can record those stations. (Score:2)
Clear Channel (Score:2)
I have a clear channel station here my town and they spoon feed me everything I ever needed!
(sarcasm off)
a few problems in the mountains (Score:2)
Just got Sirius... I like it. (Score:2)
The thing I like most about the music stations is that you can see the Artist and Song title that is playing and you can see what is on other channels as well (at least with my Kenwoo
Re:XM is overpriced (Score:2)
I am assuming it was a typo. perhaps 1978?
If it is not, I am incredibly curious as to chat cable network it was. I always thought ON tv was the first cable system in America.
Yes, 1968 (Score:2)
Yes, it was 1968, not 1978. It was not part of a larger cable company: just a local business that put huge antenna masts on the hills and sold us these on a full TV dial along with one of those channels were the camera went back and forth forever panning weather dials.
Re:XM is overpriced (Score:2)
Broadcasting scrambled signals over the public airwaves is wrong in principle, anyway.
Since '50-something... (Score:2)
It only had 3 or 4 stations, but back then, that was your choice.
Re:As "cool" as this might be... (Score:2)
followed by
Wake up PEOPLE!!! You are being led down the path to ownership. Not YOU owning something, but someone else owning you! It's no surprise to me that I've become more and more of a hermit along with my wife. We isolate ourselves from America's fucked up society and it's "culture" more and more every day. That's why I do nearly everything myself. I can't accept paying people ridiculous amounts of money for goods and services that just aren't worth it. About
Non-profit radio will never have ads. (Score:2)
Satellite radio much cheaper to implement (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Maybe a success like Iridium? (Score:5, Funny)
When you multiply 1.2 million * $10 / month * 12 months/year, you get $144 million in a year. For certain, it's more money than SCO brought in last year.
Re:Satellite Radio Subscriptions Hold Steady at... (Score:2)
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I use CD-r's still at times, but you can't beat soemthing like XM for it's range of listening options that let you find new music... They have 100 channels and even taking out the 20 or so talk radio stations, that leaves 80 concurrent choices i