KDE 3.x Installation On Solaris Discussed 177
Jim Hall writes " A recent Sun-hosted article looks at installing and running KDE 3.x on Solaris Operating System (Solaris OS) -based workstations. Author Corey Liu tries to shy away from the debate over GNOME vs. KDE, and focuses on how KDE is installed on Sun workstations and the Solaris OS.
Both GNOME and KDE are available at freeware Web sites for users of the Solaris OS. While Sun recently began to favor GNOME as the default desktop environment on the Solaris OS, some people still enjoy using KDE."
Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:5, Funny)
That won't stop us.
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:1)
I'm still waiting to see.. (Score:2)
Re:I'm still waiting to see.. (Score:1)
What - you mean something like this [sourceforge.net]?
Re:I'm still waiting to see.. (Score:2)
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:1)
Third or fourth?
There are many more [plig.org].
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:1)
Basically you can have the same problems MS has had by the lack of Choice of options when installing... I can browse the Web with IE.. why do I need or want netscape.. Distro's are getting more and more New User Friendly all the time.. If Options present themselves during installation they may be opt to try them out r
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:1, Insightful)
For companies (no matter if they are small or big) paying $1500 as a per seat developer license is very cheap if you take into account that you get a toolkit which is
- much more modern than gtk,
- much better supported,
- much better documented,
- and which allows for much faster development (due to the usage of C++, RAD tools like Qt Designer, etc.).
That's why these costs usually a
Re:Tries to shy away from the debate (Score:1)
As a Solaris KDE user... (Score:5, Informative)
That aside, I would personally recommend not installing the sun provided KDE, but rather, the packages assembled by Stefan Teleman, available through ftp.kde.org [kde.org]. This is version 3.1.4, whereas the Sun provided version is 3.1.1a.
Re:As a Solaris KDE user... of an outdated Solaris (Score:1)
This shows only precompiled KDE packages for Solaris 8. Users of Solaris 9 will have to compile their own. Seems like a lot of software doesn't even come pre-compiled for Solaris 9.
-Pete
Re:As a Solaris KDE user... of an outdated Solaris (Score:1)
Re:As a Solaris KDE user... of an outdated Solaris (Score:1)
Secondly, when you get the Solaris 9 media kit, there is a CD included with KDE on it, ready to install with a nice GUI install program (well, as nice as a java program can be!)
I'm running KDE 3.1.3 at work on Solaris 9 and it all works beautifully. Now, if only they wouldn't insist on using MS Exchange for email and suchlike, then I can get rid of the slow SunPCIii card!
Re:Installing Solaris KDE as non-root user? (Score:1)
--Skip
Re:Installing Solaris KDE as non-root user? (Score:1)
Re:"Recently began to favour GNOME"... (Score:1)
Re:"Recently began to favour GNOME"... (Score:1)
Re:KDE (Score:1)
On the other hand I feel that KDE is a more sophisticated GUI than Gnome in that gnome. At least, I like it better. I think what is more important than how the GUI looks is, what are the underlying support libraries, and how will these
Re:KDE (Score:4, Interesting)
Like any GPL source, you can sell it comercially as long as you abide by the GPL. Many OSS packages are GPL, and we use them without complaint. Not only that, those nice folks at Trolltech
That's pretty much it. The developer is free to choose. Now, its not BSD or LGPL licenced, but that's the way it is. I can't figure why people scream about this (memory of the old licence situation maybe) and not about the kernel or GNU tools, those don't even give you the choice of paying for the closed option.
On the other hand, I can understand some folks being grumpy on the Windows licencing situation. But we're talking about KDE a _X11/Linux_ desktop, so I don't get where the angst comes from.
What are you smoking? (Score:2)
If/when changes are made to kernel or GNU tools (which is *extremely* rare in mainstream, non-embedded development) the changes are so minor that sharing them doesn't compromise the comptetitive position.
Qt, on the other hand, is a library. It's sole reason for existence is to be linked with applications that co
Re:What are you smoking? (Score:2)
Have you been living in a cave, or have you not heard of proprietary drivers?
You need that for every cheap modem sold today. And it cant be fixed because the algorithms implemented are covered by patents.
Re:What are you smoking? (Score:2)
Have you been living in a cave, or have you not heard of proprietary drivers?
Drivers are typically written to enable the use of the kernel. Usually drivers are not the product itself.
Re:What are you smoking? (Score:2)
That was not the point. It's a problem for lots of *users*. A GPL'd library is a problem for lots of *companies* that develop software. Especially as there are several UI libraries w/ more free licenses around.
Come on, it can't be that hard to understand...
Re:What are you smoking? (Score:1)
That's why the dual licensing is so good. If the GPL is inconvenient for your company, you can pay for the commercial license and not worry about GPL restrictions.
there are several UI libraries w/ more free licenses around.
Seems to me that paying $3000 up front is good business sense if it can save you tens of thousands of dollars in development cost compared to using an inferior more-free library. Of course, the company would t
Re:What are you smoking? (Score:2)
That's a big if. And remember that the license cost is per developer, per annum. If the development spans multiple years (maintenance surely will), the cost can be pretty high.
Re:What are you smoking? (Score:1)
Of course, but it's worth a little research.
cost is per developer, per annum.
I don't see any mention of an annual fee to use Qt on Troll Tech's pricing page.
If the development spans multiple years (maintenance surely will), the cost can be pretty high.
But if it's a one-time fee, then the cost drops from small to insignificant as time goes on.
Re:KDE (Score:3, Informative)
"Any software produced with QT under the GPL license, and any derivatives of this software, must also be released under the GPL."
Which is true of ANY GPL'ed software. (Although, software based on a GPL library, is still a gray issue.) You can still sell your software in any way you see fit. However, you are obligate
Re:KDE (Score:2)
Re:KDE (Score:5, Interesting)
Bero left RedHat because of their cripple KDe policy.
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103294
"Hi,
Effective immediately, I've left Red Hat (mostly in mutual agreement - I
don't want to work on crippling KDE, and they don't want an employee who
admits RH 8.0's KDE is crippleware). If anyone needs/wants to contact me, please use the addresses
bero@berolinux.org or bero@kde.org.
For any RH specific KDE issues, please contact Than Ngo
Re:KDE (Score:1)
From what I could see, they left because THEIR camp (KDE) was not favoured over the "opposing camp". They weren't willing to compromise, so it's better for the rest of us when they left.
It's a GOOD IDEA to have a common GUI. It's a bad idea to have a hodgepodge of different widget sets. I personally don't like RedHat but in this matter they're 100% correct.
And the Taiwan case (Score:2)
Trolltech and Canopy (Score:1)
The parent post is a troll and should be modded into oblivion!
Here at Trolltech we take our independence very very seriously and I can assure you that the Canopy Group has no control or influence over us of any kind. In fact we are not controlled by anyone outside of our own board of directors.
I hope that has helped to reasure everyone.
Regards
Director Ralphie
"Crippled" = "Doesn't Look Like KDE"? (Score:2)
I never understood what the issue behind this was. RH took KDE and Gnome and extended it into a blended environment. The Gnome team was fine with that. However the KDE took offense? I don't get it.
Re:"Crippled" = "Doesn't Look Like KDE"? (Score:2)
Re:"Crippled" = "Doesn't Look Like KDE"? (Score:2)
With OSS projects, the best thing you can hope for is someone other project picks up the parts and starts modifying. RH along with anyone else can modify the hell out
Re:"Crippled" = "Doesn't Look Like KDE"? (Score:1)
Because the 'modified' version of Gnome worked great, whereas the modified version of KDE was crap. RedHat gave their users an option of using the Gnome default (where everything worked great), or the KDE alternative (where everything took three times longer to start because the proper libraries weren't being loaded, where the most important parts of KDE were not present...)
The point is that the RedHat version of KDE was inferior in every
Re:precisely, all you cite is from idiot zealots. (Score:2)
FreeQT ?? (Score:2)
The license for QT is only free if you make free stuff.. if you intend to charge, you still have to buy a license.
That being said, QT still a much more mature widget set then GTK ( currently.. that can always change down the road ) , and I prefer KDE for the same reasons, maturity and consistence.
Incentive scheme (Score:2)
KDE is based on freeqt which is free for gpl apps. this works as an incentive scheme in favour of gpl licenses.
And there are quite a lot companys that use qt, as qt has a non-Linux market as well.
Why shall Trolltech's employees provide their work for free exploitation? Closed source software writers have to pay for the toolkit, nothing wrong with thi
Dual license is ok (Score:2)
Only that the way the parent put it 'freeqt' it sounded like an alternative kit designed to mimic QT and be 100% free. And from what I remember there was a project to do this very thing, before Trolltech changed the licensing to 'dual'.. Then it lost steam after that...
Yes.. the trolltech developers deserve to eat too....
Re:Dual license is ok (Score:1)
Re:FreeQT ?? (Score:3, Insightful)
>>>>>>>>>>
The Qt license is the GPL, which is "truly free." The GPL has restrictions, but they are to preserve freedom. I live in the United States, in a free society. Yet, I am restricted from stealing from my neighbor. Am I less free or more free than in a society that allows me to steal?
Dual License.. not GPL (Score:1, Flamebait)
You can develop free software based on it with out buying a license.
You cant extend it, nor can you write commercial software with out licenses...
This might have changed since then of course..
Re:Dual License.. not GPL (Score:3, Informative)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;
When was the last time you looked? Qt was GPL'ed more than three years ago, starting with version 2.2 [trolltech.com]
Stone Age (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh well, a coworker is still on TWM from back when it was the only choice. He's using it because everything else is bloaty. Then again, he personally owns something like 300 computers, many of which are VAX.
Re:Stone Age (Score:2, Funny)
and we wonder why jobs are going over seas
Re:Stone Age (Score:1)
Yes, funny but true. Yup, it's offtopic, but the poster makes a good point. In the United States, you are privledged to be able to do this. You are not yet slaves to your jobs, rather, your jobs are slaves to you.
Re:Stone Age (Score:4, Funny)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Are we living in the same United States? Americans work more and vacation less than the fucking Japanese! The Japanese!
Re:Stone Age (Score:2, Funny)
What do you mean? TWM is really beautiful [plig.org].
Re:Stone Age (Score:5, Funny)
(Back in college, my friends used to say that I'd "accidentally" crash my computer just so I could set it up again...I think we all know this syndrome)
Re:Stone Age (Score:1)
Re:Stone Age (Score:1)
Heh. When I'm really working on an X11 machine, I use ratpoison [sf.net]. I tell you what, it really helps you to focus entirely on the work and not get distracted ;-).
BTW, in keeping with the subject line of this thread - did anyone else notice that in the article [sun.com], the writer talks about installing KDE3, but then supplies a screenshot referring to KDE2.2/KOffice1.1 [sun.com]? If I didn't already think it a pretty weak article, I'd find that kind of a lazy screenshot substitution mistake to be quite amusing. :-)
Pete.
Re:TROLL ALERT (Score:1)
In other words, you disagree with my opinion, so you want people to mod me down.
Sorry, but it doesn't change my opinion of X and its users.
Re:TROLL ALERT (Score:2)
"Imflammatory?" Haha.
Which translates to: "I don't like your opinion, so I'm going to call it inflammatory. Sorry, imflammatory."
You even troll with your
How dare I criticize the two-party system in America. You got me.
You get a strange thrill out of people replying to your outrageous statements.
If that is true, why do you reply? Let me guess, you're "pointing it
Hey you're messing their poll system! (Score:1, Funny)
2. This page was easy to find.
I wonder how many would vote 0 and 5..
"Thank you for your input."
Novell has Degaza(sp?) the reason (Score:2, Interesting)
My guess is that is also has to do with Qt and some users/businesses preference for KDE. It's good to have choice as long as they both still "play" together. IMHO.
LoB
Re:Novell has Degaza(sp?) the reason (Score:1)
Second, Novell also bought SuSE, which employs a lot of the KDE developers. Really, they (for the moment at least) have some control over both desktops. But keep in mind that any of those people could leave and work somewhere else, and that KDE and Gnome are open source projects, plus other companies have some interest in the direction they take. So, I really doubt that is why Sun is offering it. Actually I think they've had it on their Solaris Freeware CD for quite
Article in a nutshell... (Score:2, Funny)
Installing KDE on Solaris: Slow but not so Painful.
This coming from someone who's successfully installed
KDE on Solaris but has yet to successfully install
GNOME on Solaris.
Re:Article in a nutshell... (Score:1, Insightful)
Don't bother with Sunfreeware's version of KDE (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Don't bother with Sunfreeware's version of KDE (Score:1)
Re:Don't bother with Sunfreeware's version of KDE (Score:2)
The article is kind of confusing because it mentions Sun Freeware as a source of the KDE binaries. I just wanted to clear up the confusion for anyone reading the article.
Re:Don't bother with Sunfreeware's version of KDE (Score:1)
Sunfreeware's version of KDE (Score:5, Insightful)
IBM could learn a few things here.
Re:Sunfreeware's version of KDE (Score:2)
You're absolutely correct. Sun should be marketing the Software Companion CD as a benefit of using Solaris. I've heard a lot of Linux users that are new to Solaris complain about things like "where the hell is GCC?" Having the Software Companion CD installed makes any sysadmin's life about 10 times easier.
but ... (Score:2)
Re:but ... (Score:2)
Anti-aliasing isn't in Xsun yet to my knowledge, though. They added Xrender support in one of the HW updates to Solaris 9 (4/03, maybe? I forget), but anti-aliasing for Xft isn't there yet, as they say vaguely here [sun.com].
You can always use XFree86 on Solaris, though I've never tried it.
solaris + kde (Score:4, Informative)
I'll never understand why Sun went with GNOME over KDE, cos, in terms of stability at least, that's *always* sucked on Solaris. The only shame is that you can't, at least without *major* patching, build KDE with Forte.
Well written software requires very little effort to port from Unix to Unix. It's very rare I find anything written primarily for Linux that won't build on Solaris.
This makes it very frustrating when (usually linux) people can't see further than their own OS and fail to write portable code. It's not much more work really, and people will love you for it.
Re:solaris + kde (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally, I would have gone with Gnome for other reasons. The architecture is much more open in a component sense (e.g. smaller, replacable parts). Sun has also shown that human factors were huge concern to them, and KDE suffered from having been ahead of Gnome. Sun literally got to write the book on human factors for Gnome, and that ended a LOT of debate before it got started.
I like the way Gnome has shaped up. It started with a lot of catch-up to do with respect to KDE, which was already functional when Gnome was first started. But over the years I have seen that gap narrow tremendously, and I like the Gnome code a great deal more.
Still, both are worthy of praise and use... may we have two of the three best desktops in the world for a good long time to come!
Re:solaris + kde (Score:2)
Sun have a policy that everything which ships with Solaris must be built with Forte. A major PITA for sure, but an understandable one.
The other reason was that Sun have more engineers that know C well than C++, as far as I know.
Re:solaris + kde (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
native port to OSX (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:native port to OSX (Score:1, Informative)
I like them both (Score:3, Interesting)
Strip out any really bad incompatibilities and save the setup. You have four places to put panels alone and can ofcourse place them on top of one another. When using a platform under development this saves much of the trouble of trying to depend on one desktop alone. Ofcourse add xterm, aumix and any other applications and utilities not supplied by the desktops.
KDE, GNOME, and CDE... (Score:2, Interesting)
I have several X Terminals (mostly dated laptops) and I have found Fluxbox to be the best for thin clients as well as at the console. GNOME was responsive at the console, but on 100mbit, it felt like I was running a 386. Don't get me started with CDE, it should be banned.
I'll give KDE a shot, but I have come to the conclusion less is better. If KDE can be locked down as quickly as FB, and is responsive, it
Re:KDE, GNOME, and CDE... Don't care (Score:1)
Off-topic but highly interesting (Score:1)
Can the usability of the desktop be enhanced using a 3D window space paradigm instead of a 2D???
Re:Off-topic but highly interesting (Score:2)
I'm all for people researching alternatives to the Windows+Icons+Desktop paradigm, but I don't think Sun's id
KDE works well on Solaris (Score:5, Interesting)
I think the only reason Sun chose Gnome over KDE was the QT licensing issue. Other than that, KDE on Solaris rocks. It's also fairly stable.
I don't know why Sun has stuck with that god-aweful CDE for so long. CDE just plain sucks.
I've never downloaded the pre-built binaries, though. I need to control where it gets installed since it's running in a corporate environment and I feel more comfortable having compiled it myself. As it is, I usually need to patch a few files anyway for our environment.
Since I made it available, we've had many engineers switch from CDE to KDE. We had one lone GNOME user, but he switched as well (Sun's GNOME was too slow compared with KDE).
Re:KDE works well on Solaris (Score:1)
get it in RPM format for Solaris (Score:2)
Re:Mirror (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Mirror (Score:1)
Re:Male or female? (Score:1)
He is currently working in the semiconductor industry as an applications engineer.
not that many would have read the words on the page. besides the photo with the tank top doesn't appear to be female.
Re:xfce4 (Score:1, Funny)
Thanks
Re:I'm not a kde lover but.. (Score:2)
Unless you are arrogant enough to presume that just because they are using a Sun box you know what they are doing, or that for every task anyone can tackle on a Sun box fluxbox is the answer, you are also wrong.
How, pray tell, do you browse the web using fluxbox? How do you send email using fluxbox?
You dont. You use other apps. KDE provides all those apps in a single
Re:The Gnome translate-o-matic *updated* (Score:2)