Inside Microsoft's New Digital Photo Project 239
robyn217 writes "While Microsoft Research plays 'Big Brother' to a young hiker's trip across North America, it breaks new ground in digital photography by combining metadata, like location via GPS, with the image. Its online presence looks impressive as it displays digital photo albums on a map of the world, but it's slow and unwieldy for the most part and may not be better than a standard travelogue site. This week, I took a closer look at the project currently named the World-Wide Media eXchange (WWMX)."
Where do you want to go today? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Where do you want to go today? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Where do you want to go today? (Score:2, Insightful)
I think somebody on the implementation team needs to go back to the drawing board. Or out to the woodshed...
From the web page: "our small server is unable to keep up with requests, and access to the WWMX itself maybe even slower than it usually is." [emphasis mine] Hmmm. Not exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement of their server technology.
A little examination of the header info tells us what we
'plays Big Brother'? (Score:5, Insightful)
Backgrounder (Score:5, Interesting)
The show (Score:2)
Re:'plays Big Brother'? (Score:2)
Think Big Brother, the television show!
Atleast, that's what I thought of immediately, and that's how it was intended.
Re:'plays Big Brother'? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:'plays Big Brother'? (Score:2, Insightful)
Dropping such a false and out-of-place jab in the story contributes to Slashdot's notoriety for biased reporting. We could blame the editors for approving your rediculous write-up but you deserve admonishment too.
If you had just refrained and simply described the project in an objective way the comments section would no doubt be full of thanks and kudos for the relevant, interesting story.
Way to go! pffffft.
Re:'plays Big Brother'? (Score:2)
I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:3, Funny)
You mean you.... erm.... welcome our new photo/GPS overlords?
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:5, Informative)
I'm one of those outdoor geeks (backpacking, kayaking), and I have to disagree with your assesment of National Geographic's performace. I'm not certain exactly to what you are referring, but if it's basic mapping software, I *love* their NatGeo Topo State series. The maps are the latest USGS topoquads (many other campanies' prducts, like Delorme, use maps that are many years old and lacking in many newer trails), and are beautifully reproduced. GPS support has been wonderful, and I can do exactly what the above blurb was talking about - take photos, record their positions in my GPS, and, when I get back home, upload my route, along with waypoints indicating, among other things, where I took what photos. The photos then have to be manually associated with each waypoint, but it works so well, I'm not about to start complaining.
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:3, Interesting)
Are you trying to suggest that manually associating a waypoint with an image is a good solution? The first time, yeah. For 10 images, maybe. For 100 images, no way. For 1000 images, you've got to be kidding me. Even in smaller daily batches, it would get tedious. And computers excel at tedious jobs.
Kodak had a camera a while back that ran Java. You could plug a GPS into its serial port and it would automatically stamp the images. That was a pretty cool solution, but it
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:2)
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:2)
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:1)
Were not talking about the Outdoor simulation on 3DMark here. -Ba da bum.
Re:I for one, am glad ms is getting into this (Score:2)
It is very important to remember that Microsoft (maker of Windows(tm) operating system) is a very different beast from Microsoft Research. MSR is a true research organization, and assuming that work done there will in any way translate into Microssoft products is a long-shot at best. Probably the most likely outcome of this kind of work is that some of the technology will be fed back into parts of various MS products.
Thought this was call TIFF (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Thought this was call TIFF (Score:3, Informative)
If you're talking about GeoTIFF, it's not the same thing. GeoTIFF adds real georeferencing metadata to raster data. This just adds coordinates to a photo. I think the point of this is to then present the photos in a geographical context. They hint that it'll be a feature of Longhorn's media-management capabilities.
Cute idea. Still, it's not all that revolutionary. If Apple added a geo-coordinate metadata field and simple mapping capability to iPhoto, they could probably beat MS to the punch well before Lo
I bet... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I bet... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am not a fan of MicroSoft, but I am a fan of being truthful. The phrasing used in the announcement would have been flagged -1 TROLL or -1 FLAMEBAIT if I was moderating.
MicroSoft's sponsoring of something like this is not something that we should condemn or flame. Sounds like it is the people at
Don't mind Slashdot... (Score:2)
Re:I bet... (Score:2)
I don't think it is necessarily unfair to apply that label to M$, after all their actions make a pretty good case for hanging it on them.
I agree with you in that I fail to see how the phrase is applicable to this particular project of M$'s, but they got a lot of bad histo
Re:I bet... (Score:2)
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True, but... (Score:2)
Hence the big brother comment remark.
Cobine with TerraServer (Score:4, Interesting)
To me it has the potential to help provide context to the places that you here about on the news or that students are assigned to research. Plus, it's just plain neat!
Re:Cobine with TerraServer (Score:3, Informative)
USGS DOQs (the kind used on Terraserver & the probably best a civilian will get) are 1m resolution aerial photos. You're not really going to be able to "zoom in" on photos taken from the ground. There probably are satellites with better resolution but you're not lik
Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:5, Informative)
Please check it out, You might find it usefull. Also,I allways love feedback on what I could do better..
Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:3, Funny)
GPS data in EXIF image tags (Score:5, Interesting)
There is at least one professional camera which can embed GPS coordinates in the image data itself, in the form of an additional line in the EXIF tag. It has limitations when you're indoors, I would imagine, but great for most hiking or driving conditions.
This would be immensely popular for real estate agents who need to correlate pictures to addresses all the time.
Heaps of OSS tools (Score:2)
The tricky bits will be: Building something that can handle large volumes of image data (places like Deviant Art seem to handle it OK, but it'd cost), and; (IMHO, the useful bit), some way of deciding which one of a million pictures of the Grand Cany
Re:GPS data in EXIF image tags (Score:2)
2. Set your GPS to log your tracks
3. Load GPS logs and images onto a PC
4. Loop through images and use location from the nearest (in time) GPS point to amend the image's EXIF.
Xix.
Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:5, Interesting)
I have found free DRG data and plotted GPS routes on them for trip reports on my website. I haven't found any tools for doing this that will let me make up these maps and publish the result with no strings attached, so I've settled for overlaying my GPS track onto the map with Photoshop.
http://boonedocks.net/travel/ [boonedocks.net]
If anyone knows of a free/cheap tool where I can feed it my GPS track data and a public-domain DRG TIFF file, and plot the result, let me know.
Storing GPS data in each photo seems like overkill to me. If the subject is distant, like a mountain, the lat/lon won't really convey what you want. And maybe I don't want someone to know the GPS coordinates of my house if I take a picture of my dog on the couch.
Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:2)
Or add in a simple compass to the camera to record the approximate direction that you were facing when you took the picture. +/- 10 degree accuracy would be plenty.
Actually I like the idea that a photo would be automatically tagged with GPS data along with the date/time/direction facing. I envision a news / historical service where the public can submit i
Re:Correlating Images and GPS data. (Score:2)
Now that would be spiffy. Useless, but spiffy.
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Re:Big Brother?! (Score:2)
Re:Big Brother?! (Score:2)
Re:Big Brother?! (Score:2)
Similarly, wh
Re:Big Brother?! (Score:2)
No, it's still a false analogy. You spend a lot more copy building up the appeal to emotion this time, though.
"Server too busy" (Score:5, Funny)
Are we going for a new slashdotting record or something?
~D
They forgot the'.' (Score:5, Funny)
While trying to view the microsoft link above I got the following error message:
Still amazingly honest for Microsoft!/p
Re:They forgot the'.' (Score:2)
WWMX (Score:3, Insightful)
I know it's in my sig... (Score:3, Informative)
Simon.
Re:I know it's in my sig... (Score:2)
Yeah right, exactly what we need: A service that can map your IP to a physical/geological address. And you guys cry about spam, RFID tags, [insert your least favorite type of invasion of privacy here] .
It can't be much good (Score:2)
Even when they do "impressive" stuff.
Re:It can't be much good (Score:2)
This is a technical forum, my friend. If you're gonna show us your kung-fu, it had better be good..
Re:It can't be much good (Score:2)
And what's it got to do with the wwmx project?
Is that you Uncle Bubba? Have you been drinking ralgex again?
Re:It can't be much good (Score:2)
That easy... (Score:1)
Re:That easy... (Score:1)
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P.S. Should we call this place "$lashdot" from now on, since a corporation owns them and they put banner ads everywhere unless you subscribe?
That was my idea! (Score:4, Interesting)
I have a lot of good ideas for the software, and have already written out a lot of db schema and logic, but I am having a hard time finding high resolution maps which I may use legally, and this was discouraging. Most of the big satellite image companies want an arm and a leg for the right to display their images on your site. Anyone know of a place where I can get at least semi-high resolution satellite maps, like 5m or better, that I'll have the rights to display on my website?
I assume that I would release the software under the GPL without any maps included, but its no fun writing software which nobody can really use unless they purchase satellite imagery!
Re:That was my idea! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:That was my idea! (Score:2)
Copyright (C) 2002-2003 by Microsoft Corporation
Well, why not improve on the idea even further? (Score:2)
And you could build in error-correcting routines so that once you have multiple image sources for a particular location, it'll learn to throw away non-static elements such as vehicles and people. Imagine being
Re:That was my idea! (Score:2, Informative)
Actually not a bad idea (Score:5, Interesting)
This just seems to do something of what iPhoto does - attaches some meta-data (in this case, GPS coordinates, time&date, etc) to the file.
I'd say this could be pretty cool, though of course I'd like to see an open standard used and the ability to turn it off. I don't think I mind all cell phones by 2005 having GPS (the ability to save lives could be huge for 9-1-1 services), but I want the capacity to shut the damn thing off so Psycho Boy Jones can't jump me because he didn't like my recipe for spicy sweet mashed potatos.
Side note for those worried about privacy: there was a story I was reading about a service for cell phones in Japan. Suppose your spouse calls and wants a picture of where you are, and instead of working late at the office (like you said you were), you were out at the bar with your friends. This service will forward a picture of your office to them instead of your current location.
With GPS being mandatory in cell phones by 2005 (at least according to the article), you wonder how other people will tap into it? Is this a 9-1-1 services only thing, or is this "add to my GPS" list so people in other phones have your coordinates at all time? (Something that might be a new level of parental control when your teenager goes out with friends for the night....)
Thank you Microsoft... (Score:2)
can I get MS to pay for my fantasy trip? (Score:3, Funny)
Slashdotted (Score:1)
So much for stable serving abilities.
Nice. (Score:2, Interesting)
I cant remember how many times i have been stuck guessing which building i have to walk into.
Locating places... (Score:5, Insightful)
The downside of this is that every tourist with a GPS can find places that are virtually unspoiled by man and end up spoiling them.
Re:Locating places... (Score:2)
It's cool....but it's been done (Score:2)
information on how it's already being done [kennethhunt.com].
Interesting how so many people know it's no good (Score:5, Informative)
Yet the site isn't actually working. Maybe it does suck, maybe it's nothing new, but since it's not actually accessible at the moment, isn't it kind of hard to tell?
It's a Microsoft Research site and obviously they weren't expecting it to be get much traffic. If you doubt Microsoft can set up a site that can handle high volume, everybody click this now:
Microsoft.com [microsoft.com]
Re:Interesting how so many people know it's no goo (Score:2, Funny)
GPS in cameras please (Score:5, Interesting)
"Where the hell was that?"
"Lemme check the map... Oh, that was St Jude's Cathedral."
Re:GPS in cameras please (Score:2, Informative)
It's already there and been available for years. Well, in Japan anyway.
I wrote an open source EXIF metadata library for Delphi. Sometime in summer 2001, I had someone from Japan write and inquire about adding the GPS EXIF tags. I did so and tested it with some sample photos that were sent along. The interesting thing is that evidentally software shipped with the camera that plotted your path on a map and put links to each photo that you took. Of additional interest is that the GPS tags inc
use Bluetooth (Score:2)
Note that some cameras already have "built-in GPS", or rather, they have a PCMCIA slot plus the software to driv
I forgot... (Score:2)
t breaks new ground in digital photography by combining metadata, like location via GPS, with the image
Oh, that's right. I forgot Microsoft invented metadata. Giggle.
(Am I the only one who heard about this being done by other companies years ago? I distinctly remember finding stuff about something similiar when looking for a Palm GPS module.)
Why do I smell a patent or copyright looming? (Score:2)
Article Text (Score:3, Funny)
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Do it Your Self Map Server (Score:4, Informative)
Check out the sample sites at SAMPLES [geospatialexperts.com]
ka-boom (Score:2, Funny)
if it wasn't before, it sure as heck is now!! yah slashdot!
But could it be extended to video production... (Score:2)
Many of the old series, have helicopter fly overs in downtown cores. I always wonder
About Facial Recog (Score:2, Interesting)
EXIF? (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.exif.org/
There also appears to be a propposal for LocationIFD, to further enhance/add to this functionality.
Patent (Score:2)
Boy, wouldnt that blow. All of a sudden this interesting field being monopolized by microsoft. While it is an interesting concept, i cant see myself using it if it was a patented process... unless i hacked together a solution myself. It wouldnt be that hard with the textual comments in the JPEG headers.
Yeah Right (Score:2, Interesting)
Prior Art: FITS (Score:3, Informative)
Wait a minute. "Breaking new ground by... combining metadata with an image"????
Sigh. Astronomers have been doing this since at least 1981 with the FITS Format [nrao.edu]. See over here [nasa.gov] for the full story on this venerable and still very much in production format.
I sure hope M$ doesn't try something silly like a patent on this; it seems to me that FITS and the other formats used by the Medical and Geophysical Sciences would provide a wealth of prior art...
I have a similar system available as open source (Score:2, Informative)
An independent project (Score:2)
Re:slashdoted... (Score:1)
Re:slashdoted... (Score:1)
.net pages use the file extension
Re:slashdoted... (Score:5, Informative)
Sheesh.
Re:apples and oranges (Score:2)
Of course, you can use Apache to serve dynamic content with mod_perl, etc, but I've lost count of the number of times I've seen sites like that go down, and not because of bandwidth (k5, anyone?). Conversely, I've not seen a static IIS site go down, other than for lack of bandwidth.
Re:OK, I'm impressed.. (Score:2)
What makes you think that sponsoring == hosting?
This [netcraft.com]? Specifically, the part where it indicates the Netblock Owner is Microsoft.
And the other site seems to be running JSP.
Which site is that? The only other links I saw went to sites that were either static HTML or ASP.
Re:Slow??? From Microsoft? You must be joking... (Score:2)
I have no love for Redmond's imprint on the computer business since about 1984 either.
But with so much money and so many intelligent employees, it's nice that somebody plays around with new technologies and publishes them for the world to see.
And if recent history of executives leaving MS is any guide, you could well see new technologies and ideas blossoming outside the confines of the Borg.
New??? You must be joking (Score:2)
Re:ClearType? From Microsoft??? (Score:2)
Actually, the technology is original. Apple was using subpixel rendering on the ][gs to give the finder 640x200 instead of 320x200. However apple wasn't using this to anti-alias fonts, which is what cleartype does. It's like saying that anti-aliasing was invented at the same time grayscale was invented.
In fact, Apple didn't use anything like cleartype until Jaguar, well after the introduction of cleartype. (Even after FreeType had it
Re:Proves one thing (Score:2)
It's only scalable if you plan it that way. The site seems to be working fine now (did you click on the correct link?) and if you had visited it you'd see:
It's an experimental research project run by the Interactive Visual Media Group at Microsoft Research
You expect a research project to be primed for loads of traffic? Of course, we all know that no Apache server has ever been slashdotted...oh wait, this just in from fedor [fedoranews.org]