Rediff Joins The 1GB Webmail Club 292
BGT writes "Gmail has for sure caused a furor by offering announcing 1 GB of space for free. But they are still in the beta stage and you cannot sign up for an account yet. Now India-based Rediff claims to be the first to actually start offering 1GB of space for free, with their Rediffmail service." (Spymac mail users might disagree with the "first free gig" claim.) Signing up for a rediffmail account was straightforward; the site has an intelligent add-a-contact interface when you send email to a new address, but lacks the searchability and multiple-label capability of gmail.
asdf (Score:5, Funny)
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and pop goes the gmail [jaybe.org] for gmail (which seems to have dead links on the site)
Yahoo pop (Score:2)
Choose mail options, then POP access and forwarding.
I don't mind having an occasional targeted email for a free 100 meg pop account.
Now if only my ISP would let me have more then a 10 meg mailbox.
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Yahoo and SMTP (Score:2)
Oh wait, I should have looked around more before asking.
From the YahooPOPS FAQ, How do I send emails? [sourceforge.net]
How do I send emails?
Ensure that you have YahooPOPs!/Windows running. Check the IP address and POP3 port that has been configured in YahooPOPs!
Enter the same details as the outgoing/POP3 mail server in your email client. If your mail client does not give you the option of specifying the POP3 port, make sure you use the default POP3 port in YahooPOPs!, i.e., 110.
If your PC is not on a network or you
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This works out well because all of my mail clients will download alll of the messages, and I can use the webmail interface to see messages from the past 5 days in case I'm not at one of my computers.
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Customizable filters and (as far as I know) decent spam-blocking as well. Time will tell, I suppose.
webmail (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:webmail (Score:5, Interesting)
15M x 1GB (Score:2, Insightful)
So.. 15,000,000 X 1 GB =
What will happen after two years when those inboxes start filling up to the top?
Re:15M x 1GB (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:15M x 1GB (Score:3, Interesting)
Rediff is one the biggest annoyances in terms of keeping spammer accounts active. A year ago it reached the point where I have put SPAM filters that flag as SPAM anything with even a single occurrance of rediff anywhere in the message on all of my accounts (and there have been no false positives so far).
So all it will have to do will be to act on the 15000000 recent SPAM complaints after the "yahoo mailing list" and "bulletproof hosting" peddlers have collected al
A lot of SPAM comes from there (Score:4, Informative)
not anymore :) (Score:3, Insightful)
Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:5, Insightful)
Google has quite the list of other new features in development including their own take on spam filter technology, and their intelligent sorting among topics. They also their text-based ad model that nobody else has been able to knock off yet. Yahoo has the chance to do so with Overture, but they've yet to connect Overture to Yahoo Mail.
So, even if everybody else in the free e-mail space can pull 1 GB out of their hats to, they still have a lot of work to do to catch up to what Google's working on.
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:5, Informative)
I do wish GMail offered IMAP.
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:2)
A Perl script to do something like this would be ideal.
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:2)
They don't have IMAP yet, either
Re:Me too!.. but not quite. (Score:2)
I really like the way it deals with emails as "conversations" - it's intuitive, and it makes so much sense.
Crappy (Score:5, Interesting)
It sucks, and is down a lot for "maintainence" (yeah fat guy tripped over the cat5 and pulled it out again I know!) etc...
My advice: wait until gmail's public, but don't register all the good names before I do!
Email me at jonkelley@gmail.com
Re:Crappy (Score:5, Informative)
It's not the size that matters.... (Score:3, Funny)
Seriously... I would still use Gmail even if it had 10Megs of space... it is too cool not to use it... now who wants Gmail invitations?
Re:It's not the size that matters.... (Score:2)
Re:It's not the size that matters.... (Score:2)
dadinportland@yahoo.com
What is the fuss here (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What is the fuss here (Score:2)
Originally it was expected that only a ten thousand or so mail accounts would form.
But now its growing at an unprecidented rate! I use Livejournal and everyone and their brother is asking for invite codes or already has a gmail account.
This scares the hell out of their competitors. Its to prevent competition.
I am glad I am not the CEO of Yahoo right now as I would be incredibly nervous.
The archiving feature of gmail is really cool and nice. Watch for clones of that feat
Re:What is the fuss here (Score:3, Insightful)
Why? Yahoo! is still the world's number one web portal. Google's not going to start offering Fantasy Hockey as well are they?
Re:What is the fuss here (Score:2)
More like, "It's been done before." I have a webmail app I've been working on for about 8 months, and I had the archive feature, as well as the labeling feature, programmed months before the GMail announcement. They're not doing anything revolutionary; they're just taking a bunch of nice features that already exist and consolidating them into the same application.
On a separate note, if you want
Re:What is the fuss here (Score:3, Insightful)
use of JavaScript (Score:5, Interesting)
-Ralph Bonnell ralph@ralph.cx ralphbonnell@gmail.com
Re:use of JavaScript (Score:2)
Re:use of JavaScript (Score:2, Informative)
Enter this URL into your browser, http://gmail.google.com/gmail?view=page&name=js&v
Presto.
Re:use of JavaScript (Score:3, Interesting)
It's also pretty crippling. Google has gone the way of Hotmail (via their recent site redesign) and killed the ability to open any of the navigational links in a new window or tab. In Mozilla, I can normally middle-click to get the link in a new tab. However, in GMail, if I want to open up my "Sent Mail" separate from my main GMail window, I'm out of luck. (The only links in GMail that are actual links are th
Re:use of JavaScript (Score:2)
I know it's in beta, but you'd think they'd start by getting the basics down before going on to all the blinkenlights. I admit their JS blinkenlights are very nice, bordering on uber (autocomplete and of course the keyboard shortcuts), but having a simple lite (no JS, or any fancy tricks) cross-brow
Re:use of JavaScript (Score:2)
and what are the odds... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:and what are the odds... (Score:4, Informative)
I first heard of Rediff along the same time I got an Inernet connection (96-97). They've done pretty good, considering so many other Indian sites folded up since then. I doubt they wil go bust so soon.
But yea... Gmail is cool. I have a few invites...If anyone still hasnt seen Gmail, mail me.
ashay.humane(AT)gmail
Re:and what are the odds... (Score:2, Insightful)
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he he. All I had to do was just loginto my blogger account to get my gmail account. I had used blogger about a year ago by changed to b2 after a while. So when I heard google was giving accounts to "active" blogger accounts, I just signed in did a first post and sure enough the next day I had a gmail account.
Not for me, thanks... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Not for me, thanks... (Score:2)
All gmail, all the time? (Score:2, Interesting)
amazing (Score:4, Insightful)
most people use it because 'it's good enough' and 'it's what everyone else uses' . well, they would know what a bad service it is if they use something else and have a comparison.
Re:amazing (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:amazing (Score:2, Interesting)
then one day microsoft buys it and decides to rape it.
does anyone know where I can find screenshots of the first version of hotmail? I've been looking everywhere for them...
Re:amazing (Score:3, Interesting)
http://web.archive.org/web/19971212072422/http:
Re:amazing (Score:2)
The vast majority of people use the "free as in included in the package" email provided by their ISP.
If you eliminate those, then the next largest block is people who have a vanity domain, and use the "free as in included in the package" email that comes from their hosting provider.
It's not until you are talking about "free as in paid for with advertising" that hotmail becomes a contender, and even then I'd bet that enoug
Google a bit more likely to survive... (Score:3, Interesting)
Somehow I don't think smaller free mom and pop sites are going to beable to compete.
Overall, I fail to see how GMail will ever be a profitable enterprise for Google.
I just don't see how the ad revenue would ever surpass the bandwidth costs they incur.
Re:Google a bit more likely to survive... (Score:2)
I think they can afford bandwidth.
E-mail bandwidth is minimal (Score:5, Insightful)
Smaller "mom & pop" shops can compete by offering a unique/catchy domain name.
I offer POP3 and IMAP as well as secured web-access. Google doesn't support those other two without a third party hack.
Google offers a lot but they don't offer anything that nobody else can offer except the domain name. And they don't offer all the possible features people want for an e-mail account.
Ben
Re:E-mail bandwidth is minimal (Score:2)
To be more precise, base64-encoded attachments (i.e. everything except text-based formats like HTML) occupy 33% more bytes, by encoding groups of 3 bytes into groups of 4 ASCII characters.
Attachments are an ugly hack to transfer non-ASCII over SMTP, which is a non-binary-safe ASCII system designed for short text messages (in fact, most of MIME consists of fairly ugly hacks, really).
More recent protocols like HTTP build on M
Re:Google a bit more likely to survive... (Score:2)
What Google loses is bandwidth it gains in mindshare. Like radio station contests, or summer soft drink contests, or NASCAR advertising. None of these things make money in and of themselves. But they are part of a company's larger advertising, promotions, and marketing campaigns. Anything your company does to increase mindshare (within reason) is a good investment.
If, three years from now, people start saying, "I'm go
Damn (Score:2)
Unsuspecting Victims (Score:3, Funny)
kthnxbye.
nizaam34(at)telus(dot)net
Size is not important (Score:3, Insightful)
aventuremail.com ? (Score:2, Informative)
How about a 2GB account? (Score:4, Informative)
Bollywoodmail (Score:5, Funny)
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Top posting, grrr (Score:4, Interesting)
This is really anoying.
Re:Top posting, grrr (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Top posting, grrr (Score:3, Informative)
Sorry, but Microsoft is not a synonym for "standard". RFC1855 looks more like a standard to me, moreover people respected this years before Microsoft released any TCP/IP software.
http://00f.net/item/27/
If you like to quote 1 Mb of previous replies just to add your own 2 words, that's your choice.
But at least, a webmail software should give the choice to the sender.
Better Yet (Score:2, Informative)
Use qmail with vpopmail, spamassassin, clam antivirus and rbl checking with spamhaus. Then setup some webmail client like IlohaMail or oMail.
Now thats geek points.
And of course you'd run this all on your slackware server.
Indie-Mail (Score:5, Informative)
It also sports IMAP, POP3, SMTP (with alternate port for those with port 25 blocked), and web-access with SSL. And no ads. It's supported by Icarus Independent which uses AdSense.
Anybody with a weekend to spare, Mercury Mail and some talent can put together a free e-mail service. The web-mail front end uses Apache 1.3.x, PHP, MySQL and OpenSSL. It just parses the files Mercury uses. Simple and secure. Mercury has built in web-mail support but I've never used it. I prefer having the flexibility of writting my own front end.
Ben
Why do i need any of them? (Score:2)
Then you can have as much space as you want, no ads, no garbage. And its accessible from anywhere..
Stability (Score:5, Insightful)
If you sign up for Spymac mail or Rediffmail you don't have the backing of a major corporation that has an infrastructure in place to support future growth, investors looking for the company to *not* fold, and a dedicated staff just for your data.
Any fly-by-night place can buy a massive hard drive and start offering 1 free GB of mail, but if they run out of cash and fold then what happens to all of your mail in their old system? At least with google there is a pattern of longeviety that seems to ensure your data will be protected for a long while.
Re:Stability (Score:2, Interesting)
Someone mod this guy funny.
Re:Stability (Score:2)
1 TB = 1000 GB (remember, 1 TiB = 1024 GiB, just for comparison)
So for every TB of hard drive space, they can serve 1000 customers.
6 TB of hard drive space, would serve 6000 customers. Thus in order to serve every person on the planet with a Gmail account, they'd need something to the tune of 6 billion GB of storage...or 600,000 TB.
Not quite a few thousand doll
Try again (Score:3, Informative)
Gmail accounts for you... (Score:2)
codeninja@gmail.com
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kjjaeger@yahoo.com
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I wonder what privacy laws are like there? (Score:3, Interesting)
If they're fully based in India, I doubt any US laws would apply to them. What can they get away with that a service based in the first world couldn't?
Re:I wonder what privacy laws are like there? (Score:2)
Innovate, don't imitate... :-P (Score:3, Informative)
But I guess it's good with competition. I don't know how this compares with Gmail though, since there's of course much more to a mail service than how much mail you can store. Uptime and speed for example, and this is another area I believe Google can be trusted in, since I rarely see their services getting overloaded or being down temporarily.
I also noticed Gmail has a "report as spam" feature so the users will build a massive spam database. Many mail services simply provide some unknown filters that catches maybe 60% of all spam. It's good to know that Gmail does this, since I don't doubt they'll have a problem building their spam database with all their potential users.
Re:Innovate, don't imitate... :-P (Score:2)
How about some reliability? (Score:2, Informative)
Yahoo Mail has been out since this morning -- by my account it's been down for at least 8 hours now. This is not the only outage in the past few weeks either.
Maybe I should head over to ebay and bid on a gmail invitation.
What we'll really do with that gig... (Score:2)
What gmail needs (Score:2, Informative)
In no particular order I'd like to see:
1) POP/IMAP access to account
2) Easy address book importing (and for more than just Outlook & Lotus No
The one you'll never see: (Score:2)
Google's revenue model for Gmail is such that they need to pipe you adwords based advertising to stop this being a total loss leader.
You could, however, write a screen-scraper to pop3 proxy, which would be fairly trivial (just make sure it's rule based so that when they change their layout/markup it is easy to update).
(proud owner of a gmail account since the day before yesterday
2 Gmail invites to give away... (Score:2)
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Re:SpyMac? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:SpyMac? (Score:5, Informative)
Is it that hard for the editors to edit?
Spymac is well worth mentioning as an example of what NOT to do.
"Don't rush in and let a free for all take you down". Spymac may be the first to offer a GB, but it's not yet a "service". It's down far too often to be useful, and when it's up it's often so abysmally slow I just use hotmail instead. In its first days I was lucky to USE my spymac mail account one day out of seven.
Google's invite system looks to be their way of controlling that. They can get a setup working, then increase its size as they want bit by bit, and work out where fixes need to be made.
Re:SpyMac? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:whoop dee doo (Score:4, Interesting)
I have honestly been surprised why geeks have been so excited over gmail when they often have the resources to give themselves whatever they want. True, it is more work and worry, but the benefits are incredible and the work and worry not significant for people who do or have had to do this sort of thing for a living (and for those who haven't, what better way to develop a more sophisticated skillset).
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