Build Your Own Bluetooth Hearing Aid 161
CloudShape writes "I've been trying to find a way to make a mobile phone work with my hearing aids for some years now, and I finally managed it a few days ago. Although the procedure itself is pretty simple, the surrounding issues are good for quite a bit of discussion."
The hooligans will have fun with this one (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The hooligans will have fun with this one (Score:2, Funny)
Hooligans? I suppose your car also gets 40 rods to the hogshead...
Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:5, Interesting)
I am a hearing aid user so I can comment on this. Being severely/profoundly deaf will get you exceptions in the rule.
I'm certainly allowed to use my hearing aid on planes. Furthermore, I also own an FM system, basically a sort of wireless microphone that can speak directly to my hearing aid. Same 3 pin connector that the author refers to connect to a DAI shoe, btw. It is certainly handy on planes, and there are provisions in the rules that airlines have for disabled people.
Personally, I've seen, as I've travelled with other deaf people, others use text pagers in the air to communicate. Definately, the rule is a little blurry when it comes to what technologies are allowed, but airlines do bend over backwards to accomodate us.
And a word on the bluetooth issue. I heard from my audiologist that Widex www.widex.com [widex.com] is coming out with hearing aids with built in bluetooth. This was a while ago, so perhaps, they are out now. Not only can bluetooth be used to stream audio, but also to configure the hearing aid on the fly. Some hard of hearing people suffer from fluctuating hearing losses and used to have to visit an audiologist to get their hearing aid reprogrammed each time they wanted it changed. Now, we can use our bluetooth enabled devices such as PDA's and laptops to do this.
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:5, Informative)
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Seems as if Phonak [phonak.com] has their own deal called SmartLink [phonak.com]. No sign of a Widex version like I said earlier, but again, it's planned but may not exist.
I'm going to be looking into this since I have a Phonak Claro hearing aid that I bought a year ago. Finally can use those cellphones now!
For those of you who are wondering, hearing aid users experience an extremely loud crackling sound when using the cell phone normally. If we use the telephone switch which make use of built in telecoils in some cell phones, a loud buzzing sound overpowers the voice coming out of the phone. It's very annoying indeed. Some phones, amazingly, do not have these problems. I once tried my friends phone made by Samsung, and it was amazingly clear! Just a bit of advice, in case, anyone was wondering :)
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:3, Informative)
The phone itself is a "brick" according to my friends that have new ones smaller then my thumb, but I'm hesitant to upgrade because it simply WORKS. I've used friends' fancy new Nokias and they just don't do the job. Crappy telecoils or something? I don't know, but my 3.5 yr old Kyocera keeps working for me...
--Dave
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:2)
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:3, Insightful)
What I'd really like to see is a divorce of phone provider and cell phone seller. It's a pain to have to get a new phone when you switch networks.
Haven't these guys ever heard of standardization? It'd be nice if you could go pick your phone as the best for your needs, then tack on a provider, instead of having to choose from their models-de-jur!
[end rant]
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:1)
I know the problems we have had with our DSL (Qwest provides the line in, a local ISP provides the bandwidth) have been handed off between the two
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:2)
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Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:1)
while they do use the same tech, there ARE differences in the implementations and specifics. so yeah, you can use a sprint phone on verizon for voice, but you can't use the rest of the features. sprint also frequently releases firmware upgrades, and verizon's phone have always been, in my experience, pieces...
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:1)
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Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:1)
The problem is very dependent upon the combination of hearing aid and telephone models. My hearing aids unfortunately seem to be at the sensitive end of the spectrum, hence my need for the Bluetooth solution. If you have something that works for you, stick with it!
Should you ever have to change, make absolutely certain that you comprehensively test your planned new setup before you part with any money. One good thing to try whilst testing is to find a location with poor mobile signal strength, so that the
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:1)
Hmm what's better... having 900Mhz or 2.4Ghz RF near your ear? I know several people who refuse to use
bluetooth headsets because it makes their ear hot with extended use.
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:1)
The Bluetooth headset radiates about 1mW at radio frequencies - even if the entire milliwatt were converted to heating your ear with 100% efficiency, you wouldn't feel it. Naturally, most of the RF radiates into space, otherwise Bluetooth wouldn't work. What you can feel is the heat generated by the headset circuitry - the audio transducer alone will account for tens of milliwatts.
Also, a mobile handset in an area with excellent signal strength will radiate about 50mW of RF, rising to about 500mW in areas
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:2)
The reason it interferes with a hearing aid is the same reason it interferes with some speakers: The amplifier in the hearing aid picks up a small amount of noise and amplifies it by 80dB or so!
Re:Cell phone RF bad... Bluetooth good. (Score:2)
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at least the older ones...
Obnoxious Friday reply, please disregard (Score:5, Funny)
And the CIA can *really* radio voices to you... (Score:5, Funny)
Great (Score:1)
The potential for fun is boundless...
You insensitive clod! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:You insensitive clod! (Score:1)
Why? Some causes of deafness take your eyesight down too...
Re:Hey, Almost as funny as... (Score:1, Funny)
well, that would imply that he had some marketable skill besides being his father's son, so i'd say it's unlikely.
Great Work! (Score:5, Interesting)
He is pretty old, so we would feel a lot more comfortable if he could have a phone with him at all times. I can't wait to try to build one of your devices for him.
woes of hearing aids (Score:3, Interesting)
try this! it works! (Score:1, Informative)
Where's a standard where we need it? (Score:5, Interesting)
So really, all that really needs to be on the market for this to be a mainstream solution are A: Bluetooth adapters that connect to the phone and have a standard 2.5 mm output, and then B: an adaptor to convert that to a hearing aid-friendly conector. It'd have the side effect of letting all of us also connect our favorite handsfree piece to the phone by Bluetooth
Re:Where's a standard where we need it? (Score:1)
Your last thought goes further than the commentary on my web page, though - it suggests an appeal to at least part of the normal-hearing market, which might just tip the balance for a manufacturer.
Interesting!
the new fad in the U.K (Score:3, Funny)
RFI sorted by Network Type (Score:1)
Re:RFI sorted by Network Type (Score:3, Informative)
I once worked for a cell phone company in Phoenix. I'm not a cellular engineer, so the theory and such is a bit over my head, but I was offered a simplified explaination on how the CDMA system worked, and how it differed from other forms of cellular access. This was several years ago, so hopefully I remembered it correctly.
Analog cellular works much like standard radio. A signal is broadcast on a particular channel and your phone negotiates with the cell towers to broadcast on a that channel; each user has
Re:RFI sorted by Network Type (Score:2)
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Possible Answer: Frequency (Score:3, Insightful)
Some of the brighter /.'ers can check out the wireless communication specs [rfcafe.com]. Some carriers are slowly switching over to the 800/850 band, but not my carrier. They're mostly at 1900MHz. Here's another article [howardforums.com] that's a bit more i
Re:Possible Answer: Frequency (Score:2)
However, I did have a phone that anytime it would ring if it was near my bathroom, the electrical circuit wired to the bathroom would overload, causing the breaker that provides power for that area of my house to trip. After that happened twice, I took the ph
Re:Possible Answer: Frequency (Score:1)
I tested this poor shielding theory on a much higher class Stereo/Reciever and a diff stereo of a slightly more recent vintage, but with a much more compact design. Both barely gave off a hum.
Update: I really do think it involves poor shielding. I just waved it aro
Re:Possible Answer: Frequency (Score:2)
Re:RFI sorted by Network Type (Score:3, Insightful)
There's nothing like setting your phone down on top of your desk and having your PC speakers or your keyboard synth start shouting in the middle of the night.
DEET-DE-DEET DEET-DE-DEET DEET-DE-DEET. BZZZZZT.
Oddly, my TDMA/CDMA phone never did anything like this.
Re:RFI sorted by Network Type (Score:1)
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Nonetheless, I can't help but be fascinated at the regular patterns of interference created when a phone uses SMS, as opposed to the irregular patterns during other times. (Is 'irregular pattern' a contradiction in terms?)
I also wear a hearing aid... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I also wear a hearing aid... (Score:1)
Re:I also wear a hearing aid... (Score:1)
Re:I also wear a hearing aid... (Score:2)
1. Crank up the volume and hope the mic picks it up.
2. Use speaker phones.
3. Sit close to the speakers or audio source.
Re:I also wear a hearing aid... (Score:1)
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And yes this one gets RFC interference from cellular phones, radio stations at a close distance, and many other unknown sources like at work, classrooms, etc.
Great idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
I was wondering if this guy has considered selling/giving his idea to the manufacturer of the bluetooth headset. This could always lead to a nice job offer later.
On another note, does anyone know where to get that faceplate for the T68i in the following picture?
http://www.gfern.com/btha/btha-complete.jpg [gfern.com]
Re:Great idea... (Score:1)
That's a 2-year old T68, by the way, I don't think you can get that style anymore. I'm not even sure if the faceplate can be cha
Reading impaired (Score:1)
What's going on here? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What's going on here? (Score:2)
Anyways, 50/4450 comes out to 1.12% of his 4 year tuition. That might seem like chump change to an American, but I bet that went a long way in the UK. FYI those are all in pounds. /. doesn't seem to like the symbol.
Re:What's going on here? (Score:3, Insightful)
The irony is that they were asking this of R&D geeks that were supposed to be intelligent. This does not speak highly of the quality of Ericsson's HR staff. I wonder if their hirin
Re:What's going on here? (Score:2)
Re:What's going on here? (Score:1)
First of all you get 50 pounds for an idea that you would not have made any money out of anyways. Or better still, get 50 pounds for something you have worked on during the weekends AT A LOSS and is now sitting idly on a shelf in your garage/workshop. Another reason might be for getting more recognition from the boss/company. This might help later on if your department is going to be downsized.
And finally, what are the cha
Re:What's going on here? (Score:2)
Re:What's going on here? (Score:2)
As I think about it though, he basically helped a company with no interest in developing the product, obtain some IP that could prevent other companies from selling an apparently much needed product. I wonder if the lack of BT equipped hearing aids is a result of
Re:What's going on here? (Score:2)
I bet there are tons of examples where someones exuberance or naivety has impared developments.
Good luck to you.
Re:What's going on here? (Score:2)
Minimum Possible Size? (Score:1)
2 Metres (Score:1)
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Re:2 Metres (Score:1)
The best bet, would be to strap it to your ankle. Assuming the phone doesn't get smashed too quickly,, It should cut down on nearly all of the interference...
Re:2 Metres (Score:2)
Nokia makes a device that will connect to any of their phones, and interface it directly to any LoopSet compatible hearing aid.
You could easily use an earpiece that doesn't go "in the ear", with almost any hearing aid, a
I usually just use the speaker phone on my treo600 (Score:1)
This looks neat too.
The world's first Bluetooth for hearing instruments:
http://www.gn.com/gn_magazine/2002/november/the _ wo rlds_first_bluetooth_for_hearing_instruments
Bluetooth in the HA's themselves would be pretty neat. I could zot MP3's straight into my head.
Might be asking a bit much given the space restrictions though.
I wonder if there are bluetooth headphones... (Score:1)
Re:I wonder if there are bluetooth headphones... (Score:1)
Induction Loop? (much cheaper) (Score:5, Interesting)
Being hearing-impaired myself, I obtained an induction loop that jacks into the cell phone. The signal is clear as day. Of course, you have to deal with batteries, but an advantage is, hands-free mode. There's a microphone portion where the cord forks into a 'Y'.
I imagine the local Bell cell-phone store would carry it (that's where I got mine).
Good luck.
Re:Induction Loop? (much cheaper) (Score:1)
Re:Induction Loop? (much cheaper) (Score:2)
I just proffered as an option. Not saying mine is the bonafide end-all solution.
Am I missing something? (Score:3, Insightful)
Can someone clarify one thing for me - why bother with Bluetooth for this application? I'd think it'd be easier just to use a cell phone that has a standard 2.5mm jack.
Take any "hands-free" kit with a microphone in the cable and a 2.5mm connector. Snip off the earpiece, leaving the microphone behind, and replace the earpiece leads with a 3.5mm mono jack. Use the 3.5mm to hearing aid adapter as shown in this story, and you're done.
If you're going to have something clipped to your belt and a big cable, may as well carry the cell phone on your belt and have the wire going directly to the phone instead of a wire to a wireless link.
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:1)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2, Informative)
It's in the article, unless I am reading this wrong.
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
How about terminating the the cable from the cell phone to the hearing aid DAI with an opto-isolator?
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
Having said all that, I must congratulate this guy on a good idea. With circuits get
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:1)
pun (Score:1)
...pardon the pun
Bluetooth hearing aids ~ Wave of the Future (Score:1)
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What about taking this idea a step further? (Score:1)
There's a few reason this would be useful. A key reason is that the unit in the ear could be made cheaply enough that it is virtually disposable. This is important when you realise that the device is exposed to sweat, rain, etc - all very bad things when your aid
So what if.. (Score:2)
Voila! Instant audio memory and playback!
I am actually loosing my vibrating inner ear hairs, that translate soundwaves into nerve signals, as I dont have an eardrum on one side. When they are all gone ill be effectively deaf with that ear.
When I get there, I want above mentioned gadget, and STILL be able to visit concerts..
I wonder what that will mean to
Experiences with Nokia induction loop? (Score:1)
Does anyone have experience with that? Her hearing disability is very high.
Thanks.
OK, that's kinda neat. (Score:1)
Complex. Unnecessary. (Score:2)
Re:what? (Score:5, Funny)
I found it quite humorous, really, clicking on a page about hearing aides and getting visually yelled at.
Re:what? (Score:1)
Maybe it's his revenge.
Re:what? (Score:2, Informative)
As mboverload says, I wrote the disclaimer in capitals because everyone seems to do it that way. I'm not sure why, although I suspect it might be so that people can't claim that a disclaimer was "hidden in the surrounding text" or somesuch. If someone could claim that the disclaimer was hidden so they wouldn't notice it, they might just be able to sidestep it on the basis that it hadn't been made clear, and demand
Re:what? (Score:1)
Maybe It's Asking Too Much ... (Score:5, Informative)
That you RTFA. This is /. after all. But if you did you would have seen:
No amount of extension cable will make a wired hands-free usable - the wire always conducts enough RFI to cause trouble, regardless of any filters that might be in place.
So connecting the phone directly to the hearing aid via a wire isn't an option.
SteveM
Filtering the wrong end? (Score:1, Interesting)
The RFI filter needs to be on the hearing aid end.
Re:Filtering the wrong end? (Score:2)
The solution is to use the Bluetooth hop between to create some meaningful distance between the wire and the cell phone transmitter. Being right next to a Bluetooth reciever is not an issue because Bluetooth uses a much weaker signal (since it's designed to only go for a few feet, not miles) and therefore an RFI filter has a chance to do its thing and the result is a u
Re:Filtering the wrong end? (Score:1)
Mind you, the extra weight of an RFI filter hanging off the hearing aid would be something to avoid, even if it did work. Since it has to be as close as possible, you can't just park it on your shoulder, or somesuch.
Re:Maybe It's Asking Too Much ... (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm sure most of the parts needed to drive this are available cheaply, and they've got to be small enough to be portable. My iRiver 120 has Toslink ability, and it works marvelously (d
Re:Maybe It's Asking Too Much ... (Score:1)
Do that with a hard connection to a hearing aid, and trust me, it'll hurt, because the hearing aid is set right into your ear. (The innermost end isn't more than a few mi
Re:Something else is probably going on. (Score:1)
The root cause is definitely the RF transmission, or a system directly related to it, although I don't have the entire lab's worth of resources I'd need to determine the exact mechanism.
There's no interference if the phone is quietly switched on and not sending to the network, even if you're playing games or something on it. It only appears during radio transmission, either during a voice call or during the few seconds it takes for an SMS to transfer. I generally know an SMS is coming in before the phone
Re:Maybe I've got it wrong ... (Score:1)